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Further fake Trayvon Martin material

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Amazing. I posted about the fake Trayvon Martin photographs running around the internet in the "We Are All Animals" thread. It seems the more I search, the more I'm finding out about how the news has been "tweaked" by some to smear Trayvon Martin. Some samples:
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Among a few interesting items uncovered in trying to examine the facts behind the shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin without drawing any conclusions, was that a widely viewed photograph of Martin appears to have been altered, somewhat.

Here is what appears to be the original via the Miami Herald.


The one below has been observed in the media and at forums such as Democracy Now. Clearly, it has been lightened, or softened, somehow. Along with other possible alterations, he looks far more, perhaps innocent is the right word, in the altered image. For the record, that has nothing to do with the guilt, or innocence, of anyone involved, but more to do with the reporting of the story, which is why I’m bringing it up.


Got it? The librul media lightened the photo of blackity black Trayvon Martin to make him look more “innocent” because the blacker the berry, the more guilty the juice… or something. It’s a reverse OJ!

And now for the schadenfreude portion of the evening — from Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs:
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But in fact, this BOMBSHELL is yet another foot shot for the intellectually challenged Dan Riehl, because if you actually follow his own link to the article at the Miami Herald ( http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/22/2708960/trayvon-martin-a-typical
-teen.html
), and read the caption underneath the photo he claims is “the original,” you discover that it’s a photograph of a low resolution copy of the picture on a sign at a protest — not “the original” at all: "A photo of Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs carried by protesters in New York City on March 21, 2012. Mario Tama / Getty Images" http://angryblacklady.com/2012/03/24/trayvonmartin-breitbrat-dan-riehl
s-racism-is-hanging-out-all-over-the-place/
to those tweets that are running around all over the place which supposedly come from Martin's Twitter account, even the Blaze admits:
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It should be noted that neither Twitter nor the Martin family has confirmed that these tweets belong to Trayvon Martin. It is also possible that the Tweets have been photoshopped or otherwise tampered with, seeing as there are some obvious stylistic differences that exist, even among some of the Tweets on the Caller’s site (for instance, some are spelled more accurately than others). http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-this-trayvon-martins-twitter-accoun
t/
of what is circulating regarding the photo of the OTHER Trayvon Martin:
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The racist smear campaign against Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teen shot to death last month in Florida, has reached a new level of ghoulishness. A white supremacist hacker says he's broken into Martin's email and social networking accounts, and leaked his private Facebook messages. We've been able to confirm that at least one email account that belonged to Martin was cracked.

The hacker, who goes by the name Klanklannon, posted what he said were Martin's private Facebook messages to the politics section (NSFW) of the anarchic message board 4chan—called "/pol/"—Tuesday afternoon at around noon. The messages were posted on four slides, strategically arranged to back up the insane racist argument that Trayvon was a Scary Black Teenager and so somehow deserved to be killed by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman that night.

A slide titled "Trayvon Martin Used Marijuana Habitually," (since deleted)features an exchange between Trayvon and a friend about getting high. Another slide, "Trayvon Martin was a Drug Dealer" features Facebook messages and photos that supposedly prove Martin dealt drugs, including a picture of Martin posing "aggressively with a large amount of cash in his hand."



It's impossible to verify the hacked messages' authenticity—like other anti-Trayvon Martin propaganda, they're probably a mix of real and fake content— but they are now being passed around as gospel among the racist underbelly of the internet, including message boards like the neo-Nazi hive Stormfront, which Klanklannon apparently frequents.

In addition to the Facebook messages, Klanklannon posted a list of usernames and passwords for Martin's social media and email accounts as proof of his exploits. All of the passwords had been changed to racist slurs. (Gmail: "niggerniggernigger" Twitter: "coontrayvonnigger")

"I realize that some of this information might be to (sic) extreme to believe," Klanklannon writes in a copy of the original 4chan thread we've obtained. "That's why I offer you evidence. Here are my sources."

The list included login details for Martin's Gmail, Yahoo, MySpace, and Twitter accounts. A source who came across the 4chan post when it was live was able to use the information to log onto Martin's Gmail account Tuesday night. Our source panicked upon seeing that trolls had started using the account to send emails under Martin's name, and deleted the account. (An email sent to Martin's Gmail address bounced back today; Martin's Twitter account has also been deactivated. His MySpace page is still up, showing that the last login was Tuesday.)

On 4chan, Klanklannon made clear their intention to smear Trayvon. Klanklannon introduces the post with, "Today /pol/, tomorrow CNN." One 4chan user told us Klanklannon had been attempting to break into Martin's accounts for days, posting periodic updates to the board.

"Where did all the liberals go?," Klanklannon taunted after posting his slides. "Did they run off because they can't handle the facts?"

But Klanklannon included none of Martin's emails in his leak, because the picture they paint is of a normal high school junior preparing for college. A screenshot of Trayvon's Gmail inbox our source provided us is heartbreaking. Martin apparently used his Gmail account for his college search, and it's filled with emails about upcoming SAT tests and scholarship applications. ("Trayvon, now is the best time to take the SATs!") One email included the results of a career aptitude test, our source said. It "talked about his interest in aeronautics and stuff."

Klanklannon has proven nothing more than the depths to which the racist amateur detectives who have spent days obsessing over every aspect of Trayvon Martin's short life will sink in their horrible quest to vet a dead teenager. http://gawker.com/5897485/white-supremacist-hacks-trayvon-martins-emai
l-account-leaks-messages-online
racist sub-sector of America's right wing is so upset by the national outrage caused by a self-appointed "neighborhood watch captain's" shooting of an unarmed teenager, they have resorted to circulating false photos of the 17-year old. Each successive report promulgated by the right wing seems to make the dead youngster a little taller, a little tougher, and a lot more dangerous.

The fact of the matter is, there is more than one teenager in America named Trayvon Martin. The racists have lifted pictures from one of the other Trayvon Martin Facebook pages to show a tough-looking smart-assed kid flipping the bird who likely deserved to be killed by the poor, 250-lb adult who felt his life was in danger.

Initial reports from the police had Trayvon listed as 6'0". Since then, according to the racists, Trayvon has grown three inches in death. And now he's a lumbering, towering, tough-guy football player who probably would have stuffed that bag of Skittles down poor George Zimmerman's throat, washed it down with the ice tea he was carrying as a second weapon, and then pulled the bag, Skittles and all out of the poor Hispanic man's anus.

On one obviously anti-Martin website are more pictures of the "other" Trayvon Martin:
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The media has portrayed Martin as some 14 year old kid. Actually, Martin was a 17 year-old, 6 foot 3 inch high school senior and football player. The outdated pictures of Martin the media are throwing around are completely deceiving.




{Further down, under the heading "Modern Miracle: Boy Goes Through Puberty After Death"--I have no idea what that means--are two supposed photos of Trayvon}

http://trayvon.co.cc/

Same guy? You decide.

What a mess! And how clearly it shows that people can be fooled and manipulated, with the effects lasting long after the fraud is discovered. The internet is both a blessing and a curse.

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:11 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


PirateNiki,

This, your post, is why noone believes your views anymore.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:58 AM

BYTEMITE


I think this can be solved by both Niki and Wulf giving an extensive report on their methods of authenticating all the photos, which ones are real and which ones aren't. People sure seem to know a lot of information for certain that I don't.

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
PirateNiki,




LOL!!!!!

Too gorram funny!






" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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I think this can be solved by both Niki and Wulf giving an extensive report on their methods of authenticating all the photos, which ones are real and which ones aren't
Amen Byte. I'd be happy to, any time, any place.

No, Wulf, YOU don't believe my views and never have and never will. But that's your narrow-mindedness; you'll have to show how "no one" does so, because I don't believe that's even slightly true. I didn't have an agenda, I was surprised by all this myownself...I bought into the photos and the gold teeth and everything; it was a shock to find out how effectively I'd been manipulated, so I shared it. The way you view it speaks to YOU, not me.

Yeah, the post resembled a PN scree, but the resemblance is where it ends. I did it that way so that people could look this stuff up for themselves and so that they would have concrete evidence (photos) of what I found. PN puts up blatant lies and propaganda, and his "visuals" are horrid disinformation and agitprop. I checked and re-checked; none of what I put up is false as far as I can tell. That can never, ever be said for PN's posts!



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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
PirateNiki,

This, your post, is why noone believes your views anymore.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."




Noone? Peter Noone? Who is this "noone" you speak of?


BTW, what I see in all the pix of Trayvon is a kid. From the looks of it, sometimes he was obnoxious, sometimes he was probably a bit of a shit, but he was a kid.

How many of you are willing to have your whole life judged by who you were and what you did when you were 17?

Anyone?

Wulfie?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ach, Mike, you've done the "Noone" thing before; it never changes 'em.

As to the photos, as long as you know which of the ones I posted here aren't OF Trayvon, and yes, I see a kid too, full of the self-importance of being a teenager. The fake photos are only to manipulate the opinion of those who see them anyway, given they had NOTHING to do with the night Zimmerman saw him for the first time.

I only have one photo of myself at that age; if I had any more, I'd probably do just about anything to keep them from being seen...yikes!



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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:50 PM

OONJERAH


I believe you, Niki. And I respect your opinions.
I wouldn't care to argue with those who'd deny your honesty. That'd be a waste of time.

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ach, Mike, you've done the "Noone" thing before; it never changes 'em.




Why, that *almost* sounds as if you think Wulfie is incapable of learning!

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As to the photos, as long as you know which of the ones I posted here aren't OF Trayvon, and yes, I see a kid too, full of the self-importance of being a teenager. The fake photos are only to manipulate the opinion of those who see them anyway, given they had NOTHING to do with the night Zimmerman saw him for the first time.

I only have one photo of myself at that age; if I had any more, I'd probably do just about anything to keep them from being seen...yikes!




Yup, I see pix of myself at that age, and think, "What the hell was that kid thinking? If he only knew..."

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
PirateNiki,
This, your post, is why noone believes your views anymore.
"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."




Noone? Peter Noone? Who is this "noone" you speak of?



Makes me think of...





" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:24 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Why, that *almost* sounds as if you think Wulfie is incapable of learning!


NO, SURELY NOT! NEVER! That's just not POSSIBLE! ;o)

p.s. thanx, Oonj.



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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:38 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


More important than the pictures is the editorial comment attached to them, and where they were posted. Those facts tell more about the original posters and their intent. And for the record, I've never seen ANYBODY " pose aggressively with money." 'Xackly how do you DO THAT, and how can you tell?

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:48 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


To Niki's credit she did indeed come into the Trayvon Martin Affair with a strong opinion, but with the presentation of more facts she has altered her opinion, as most of us do when we find out more info. Most people come into situations with a bias, then its up to them to alter their views based on info.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
To Niki's credit she did indeed come into the Trayvon Martin Affair with a strong opinion, but with the presentation of more facts she has altered her opinion, as most of us do when we find out more info. Most people come into situations with a bias, then its up to them to alter their views based on info.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.



Interesting, I'm just now watching this , from Dr Phil Plait.
About how debunking something actually reinforces one's belief in that thing. ( I know, sounds screwy ) Some folks would prefer to get presents from Santa than their parents.


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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:29 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!










As for Bad Astronomer Phil Plait, he's an employee of NASA on its GLAST Gamma Ray Space Telescope, who NEVER talks about his NASA paycheck, gamma rays nor space telescopes when dissin skeptics of the apollo moon hoax. That's called conflict of interest and censorship. Bad Astro dumbs down his suckers very well, for those with low IQs or high insanity. Plait defines "sceptic" as "anybody who does not believe in sceptics" -- can you say DoubleSpeak?

Quote:

"Surprisingly, the Moon is a moderately bright gamma-ray source. The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is gamma rays. The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares. When cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet, and trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive!"
-Dr Robert Naeye PhD, NASA GLAST Fermi Gamma Ray Space Telescope, Solar System: Sun, Moon, and Earth, 23 August 2007
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/science/solar_system.html


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Friday, April 27, 2012 2:34 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Hispanic Mexican jew George Zimmerman escapes jail carrying $200,000 cash donated for his defense

Trayvon Martin's killer raises more than $200,000 for defense [Hussein Obama's Re-Election Race War Bait Headlies]

(Reuters) - George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer who is accused of murder in the death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, has raised at least $200,000 through a website set up to fund his defense, his lawyer said on Thursday.

Donors contributed "just over $200,000," said Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's defense lawyer.

The site set up to solicit funds for Zimmerman's defense, therealgeorgezimmerman.com, has since been shut down.

Zimmerman was released this week on $150,000 bail and has been moved to an undisclosed location. He had surrendered to police earlier this month after prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder in the February shooting death of Martin in a gated community in the central Florida town of Sanford.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty and says he killed Martin in self defense.

The incident has prompted civil rights protests and a national debate over guns, self-defense laws and race in America.

O'Mara told CNN that he would inform the judge in the case of the funds on Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martins-killer-raises-more-200-000-defen
se-021028644.html




Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman Ethics Train Wreck Post-Bail Update

George Zimmerman has been released on $150,000 bail, prompting more ethical misconduct from the media and the lynch mob on the Left:

¦Cable news was reporting that Martin’s parents are “devastated” at the news of Zimmerman’s release. They should not be devastated that an innocent man (in the eyes of the law) is not being forced to stay in prison for more than a year to await trial, and the fact that they are suggests that vengeance, not “justice”, is their true objective. Meanwhile, for CNN et al. to be reporting this as if releasing a defendant on bail is some kind of gift to Zimmerman or affront to Martin’s family is irresponsible and provocative. The news organizations have an obligation to explain that bail is based on the likelihood that the defendant is not a danger to others and not a flight risk. Zimmerman is neither: he turned himself into police as soon as he was charged, and has ties to the community. In America, we do not keep people in jail before they have been convicted unless it is absolutely unavoidable. Citizens interested in ‘justice” should not be devastated when any fellow citizen is afforded freedom up to and until his guilt of a crime has been proven. It is a right they may need themselves some day.¦The release prompted a flood of “Kill Zimmerman” tweets on Twitter. None from Spike Lee…yet.
¦This e-mail, along with similar reports on blogs, has been circulating:
“In the wake of the killing of Trayvon Martin … The company Koch which manufactures paper products is paying for Zimmerman’s legal fees because they feel he had legal right to bear arms and shoot Trayvon. We are asking that people everywhere band together with us and pass this information on and not purchase any of the following items because your money will be paying for Zimmerman’s lawyer fees!!! Please do not purchase any of the following items : Angel soft toilet paper, Brawny paper towels, Dixie plates, bowls, napkins or cups, Mardi Gras napkins and towels, Quilted Northern toilet paper, Soft and gentile toilet paper, Sparkle napkins, Vanity fair napkins, Zero napkins, PASS IT ON”

The Koch-Zimmerman link was trumpeted in enough places (MSNBC featured it, naturally) that the Snopes “Urban Legends” website was moved to investigate it. Verdict: nada. A complete fabrication, one which plays to the power of cognitive dissonance: linking the boogeymen of the Left makes them all seem more sinister. Truth and fairness, of course, is not a consideration. (Similarly unfair but considerably more clever is this recent mash-up from the Right: “If I had a dog, it would look like the one Obama ate…”)

¦Finally, just as many have suggested that the final act of this awful drama will be race riots should Zimmerman be acquitted, and some are using that specter to attempt to pressure the justice system into convicting the accused as protection against the threatened violence, CNN announced today that it will be presenting a special retrospective on the Rodney King incident.
What a coincidence.

Yes, I know: it’s the 20th anniversary of the Rodney Riots. But this isn’t news; doing retrospectives on two decade old race riots is a choice, and when new race riots are being threatened to influence the justice system, its a suspicious choice, and an irresponsible one. At this point, virtually all of the steam pushing this train wreck along is coming from the media and Left, which poses the conundrum: where are the responsible black, Democrat, or progressive leaders who are unequivocally urging fairness and reason, and attempting to disband the lynch mob before it becomes another kind of mob?

In particular, where is President Obama, who supposedly relishes teachable moments, and could beneficially use this one to teach the public about how justice operates in this country? His impetuous and ill-informed remarks highlighting Martin’s race helped fan the flames in this case, and his theme was rapidly converted into a crusade by members of the Congressional Black Caucus and, of course, the likes of NBC’s fired (and still anonymous) editor, who managed to convert Zimmerman’s 911 call into proof of profiling by “accidentally” extracting the middle of it.

As I noted in the previous post, the correct way to defuse potential race riots is for those who laid the groundwork for them to undo their own irresponsible handiwork, and not to ask George Zimmerman to surrender his rights.

http://ethicsalarms.com/2012/04/23/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-eth
ics-train-wreck-post-bail-update
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Friday, April 27, 2012 3:41 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ignoring PN's trash (as I usually do) I'm left confused as to how Raptor's video pertains to the quote he put above it. As he wrote, the video is
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About how debunking something actually reinforces one's belief in that thing
, and I watched some of the video until I got confused about how it pertained to Riona's remark. Given, as she said, a number of us jumped to a conclusion about the Zimmerman/Martin case, then as more facts became available, revised our opinions, which is precisely the OPPOSITE of the point the gentleman in the video makes. So I'm confused as to what exactly was the point attempting to be made?



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Friday, April 27, 2012 6:07 PM

OONJERAH



My opinions about Zimmerman, Trayvon, what happened, how and why are
pretty much the same as they were at the beginning.

My opinion that we needed protest to get the wheels of justice grinding along
is the same. Now Zimmerman is being held responsible.

The Sanford PD failed to do a proper investigation that night and the next
days. I am not sure if that's on them or on Mr. Wolfinger. Someone is wanted
to be responsible for this as well.

As soon as Sharpton & Jackson arrived to stir the pot, I was wary, and felt
this will do more harm than good.

It never occurred to me that the news media was also stirring the pot. Hoping
for scandal, hoping for more dirt on either of the principles, hoping even for
a big, flaming race riot.

Trust me, I am this dumb. Only because Niki has explained it so that a small
child can understand, now I'm gettin' it.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Everything you said, Oonj. After the first sense of anger and as things came out, I, too, realized the main problem was the authorities' lack of action and mentality. The only racism I see now is proably on their part (the mentality that he was unimportant and probably got what he deserved, so why bother); I think Zimmerman was more "profiling" since they'd had trouble with young Black men that often. And overzealousness.

And I too recognized that the media got the most out of it, although necessary initially to bring attention to the inaction by the authorities--but I don't think I was the first one here to notice that the coverage was driven as much by "if it bleeds, it leads" as the story itself. That's the news for 'ya; we've all seen it before! Ditto Sharpton and Jackson, too; they jump on this shit and make the most of it, and I wish they'd give it a rest!



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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and I watched some of the video until I got confused about how it pertained to Riona's remark. Given, as she said, a number of us jumped to a conclusion about the Zimmerman/Martin case, then as more facts became available, revised our opinions, which is precisely the OPPOSITE of the point the gentleman in the video makes. So I'm confused as to what exactly was the point attempting to be made?
rappy is trying to justify his own idiot behavior by pointing out (he thinks) that "everybody does it". Not realizing, of course, that the facts of THIS situation don't reflect the view that he's pushing. I gotta give him a "A" for consistency, tho: nearly everything that he believe in is 100% wrong. Gotta hand it to the guy, he knows how to be a fender-head.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm not sure that's the case; I'd like to hear from Raptor himself as to his motives, if he'll respond.



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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:28 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


So they showed Zimmerman's fundraising website on the news the other night. Is this legal cases of the 21st century? I'm pretty baffled and don't really know what to think, does this mean that people will set up fundraising sites for their cases and whoever can convince the public better gets more money and thus can get a better lawyer?

Again I don't even know what to say.
...

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 3:11 PM

OONJERAH



Free Enterprise. A very good use of all that publicity he got.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:49 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I guess you're right Oonj. Its just a new thing to me, never thought of it before.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:06 PM

OONJERAH



Trayvon Martin family lawyer: Stop the leaks – release all the records in Zimmerman case =>
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop
-leaks-release-records-152333240.html


The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for the release of all of the
documents related to the death of their son, rather than continue what he says
are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman,
who is charged with killing Martin.

Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the
case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN--were given access to
a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.

"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim
of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."

"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made
the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and
confront him."

According to NBC News, the multipage autopsy says that Martin was "killed by . . .

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Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:05 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=152949259

It is looking less likely that Zimmerman is going to be convicted of anything.
His injuries were documented and it comes out that Martin had THC in his system.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The drug tests are so incredibly sensitive that you can test positive for THC (or anything else for that matter) by sheer incidental exposure. For example, you stopped by a friend's house and THEY were smoking weed. Or crack. Or you ate a poppyseed roll. Testing positive for a "trace" amount of THC is irrelevant to the case.

Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon with a gun. TRAYVON was the one defending himself, not Zimmerman, and Trayvon was the one who was killed. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes... you're walking home at night, and some creepy guy starts following you. What would YOU do? You're "blaming the victim" here. If nothing else, Zimmerman could be charged with manslaughter, or making terrorist threats.

-------------

Here's another example of a person being charged with homicide. Tell me how you feel about it. (True story)

A hispanic man saw two young black teens breaking into his car and stealing a backpack. He called 911, and told a whopper- that he saw that at least one of the teens had a handgun. He was very positive about it. When the police arrived, they focused on one of the youths, and when the youth turned towards them they shot and killed him. As it turns out, there was no gun. The hispanic told a lie simply to get a faster response.

The prosecutor has decided to charge the hispanic wtih some version of homicide (I forget which one).

Do you think that's fair?





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Friday, May 18, 2012 1:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Zimmerman may indeed be acquitted of murder. But that doesn't obviate the need for an investigation in the first place.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 18, 2012 1:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Here's another example of a person being charged with homicide. Tell me how you feel about it. (True story)

A hispanic man saw two young black teens breaking into his car and stealing a backpack. He called 911, and told a whopper- that he saw that at least one of the teens had a handgun. He was very positive about it. When the police arrived, they focused on one of the youths, and when the youth turned towards them they shot and killed him. As it turns out, there was no gun. The hispanic told a lie simply to get a faster response.

The prosecutor has decided to charge the hispanic wtih some version of homicide (I forget which one).

Do you think that's fair?




The guy who called is complicit in the homicide, but he did not shoot the kid. Why isn't the cop being charged?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 18, 2012 2:18 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The drug tests are so incredibly sensitive that you can test positive for THC (or anything else for that matter) by sheer incidental exposure. For example, you stopped by a friend's house and THEY were smoking weed. Or crack. Or you ate a poppyseed roll. Testing positive for a "trace" amount of THC is irrelevant to the case.

Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon with a gun. TRAYVON was the one defending himself, not Zimmerman, and Trayvon was the one who was killed. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes... you're walking home at night, and some creepy guy starts following you. What would YOU do? You're "blaming the victim" here. If nothing else, Zimmerman could be charged with manslaughter, or making terrorist threats.



You simply do not know for a fact that Martin was the one defending himself. Zimmerman claims he was the on attacked. His injuries seem to support that claim. Martin had THC in his system. The amount is little matter because it will be used in painting the picture of Martin the defence wants to paint.

Also, eating a poppy seeds will not put THC into your system. Opiates, not THC.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, May 18, 2012 2:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

and I watched some of the video until I got confused about how it pertained to Riona's remark. Given, as she said, a number of us jumped to a conclusion about the Zimmerman/Martin case, then as more facts became available, revised our opinions, which is precisely the OPPOSITE of the point the gentleman in the video makes. So I'm confused as to what exactly was the point attempting to be made?
rappy is trying to justify his own idiot behavior by pointing out (he thinks) that "everybody does it". Not realizing, of course, that the facts of THIS situation don't reflect the view that he's pushing. I gotta give him a "A" for consistency, tho: nearly everything that he believe in is 100% wrong. Gotta hand it to the guy, he knows how to be a fender-head.



Santa does not bring presents. How is everything I believe in 'wrong' ?

The problem YOU have is that you can't debunk what I say, so instead, you attack me personally.

Seems more like a YOU problem than anything.


Anyway... back to some thread specific stuff.

* Martin had THC, the drug found in marijuana, in his blood on the night of his death, according to the autopsy. His family told ABC News that it was "trace amounts" of THC.

So, 17 yr old Trayvon had some weed in him. Great. Not exactly the 13 yr old cherubic, smiling young lad the media had presented, huh?

He was suspended for having a baggie with pot residue in school, and had pot in his system. What are the odds ?

And why in the hell is the ABC reporter relying on what the FAMILY says about how much THC was in his body? They know what the medical definition of a 'trace' of THC is ? How reliable are they on this matter? Why not go to the report itself and cite directly?

* http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version
/story?id=16371852&page=2#.T7Y-2-gV0rU





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Friday, May 18, 2012 3:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes Nick, you're right about poppy seeds. But I don't think she was talking about marijuana, since she cited crack, too...I think she was talking in general.

The THC means nothing except to public opinion, and it didn't come from the family, it came from a toxicology report. "Trace amounts" means...well, I found this, it will explain:
Quote:

Among the voluminous evidence released Thursday in the shooting death of 17-year-old Florida high school student Trayvon Martin is a toxicology report showing that the teen had trace levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his blood and urine.

The evidence includes abundant new information: conflicting witness statements, an autopsy report showing that Martin, who was black, died from a single gunshot wound to the chest and medical records documenting that Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who will stand trial for second-degree murder, had a broken nose the day after Martin’s death. Yet the media is focusing on the marijuana findings.

That’s a mistake that only serves to muddy an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.

“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says. http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-tra
yvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/
only thing mention of THC is good for is public opinion; it can't be used at tial anyway from what I've heard.

A fight of some sort obviously did take place. I agree about the leaking of info, Oonj; again I feel the authorities are the ones at fault from beginning to now. This dribbling out of info isn't responsible, and some of it can't even be used at trial, so there's no other reason to leak it except to make Zimmerman look good and make the police "right" in their original actions. From what I heard, the fact of THC can't be used at trial, but damn, the media is sure all over it, as is the blogosphere! The evidence of a fight is much more important, obviously, and the THC actually means nothing. The evidence of physical harm is much more important, but, as I said before, we can never know how it came about, and none of this answers the questions I have about Zimmerman's statements and the other inconsistencies. So we'll have to see what emerges at trial; if the justice system works the way it's supposed to; and what the result will be from the public.

By the way, just as an aside, despite what our rabid righties here think,
Quote:

Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race.

“Our goal is to alert people to the burden of drug problems and also to how some of our concern about who has these problems may not be true,” says Dr. Dan Blazer, senior author of the study , which was published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry, and a professor of psychiatry at Duke University. “There’s a perception among many individuals that African Americans as a group — regardless of socioeconomic status — tend to abuse or use drugs at higher rate and this [does not support] that." http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abus
e-drugs-than-blacks/
course, Blacks are ARRESTED for drug use at a much higher rate. African Americans comprise 14% of regular drug users, but are 37% of those arrested for drug offenses. African Americans serve almost as much time in federal prison for a drug offense as whites do for a violent offense.

Just sayin'. All this fuss about the THC is just media hype; there are far more important things in all the stuff "leaked" which deserve attention.


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Friday, May 18, 2012 4:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

You simply do not know for a fact that Martin was the one defending himself.
Trayvon knew he was being followed- the phone conversations back that up. Trayvon felt threatened, or at least harassed. Again, the phone conversations back that up.

So, when is stalking someone with a gun- someone who presents no threat to you or ANYONE- legal?

Quote:

Zimmerman claims he was the on attacked.
Of course he does. He's not going to say otherwise.
Quote:

His injuries seem to support that claim
No, his injuries support the claim that Trayvon laid hands on him. The question was- who approached who in that moment? There is some time when the accounts may be conflicting or hazy, and unfortunately the only other witness is dead. Zimmerman may have turned away or walked away, and Trayvon may have assaulted him. If Zimmerman was in the process of walking away, then Trayvon could be considered to have exercised HIS "stand your ground" rights, but I find that a specious argument. That part will need careful reconstruction of evidence, including figuring out who was shouting for help over the phone.

Quote:

Martin had THC in his system. The amount is little matter because it will be used in painting the picture of Martin the defence wants to paint. The amount is little matter because it will be used in painting the picture of Martin the defence wants to paint.
I hope juries are smarter about the evidence than you give them credit for. The juries that I've been on have been pretty astute about being gamed by the lawyers.

Quote:

eating a poppy seeds will not put THC into your system. Opiates, not THC.
That was kind of my point- you can have trace amounts of ANY drug in your system from incidental exposure, including THC, opiates, and cocaine.

One of the problems is that people expect that if one party is not guilty, the other must be guilty. In situations like these, the fault often lies one both sides, although one side may be more culpable.

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Friday, May 18, 2012 6:27 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trayvon knew he was being followed- the phone conversations back that up. Trayvon felt threatened, or at least harassed. Again, the phone conversations back that up.

So, when is stalking someone with a gun- someone who presents no threat to you or ANYONE- legal?



Yes. For one Zimmerman following Martin does not constitute stalking. Even if Martin felt threatned the law does not allow him to initate an attack. I'm not saying he did, but that is a possibility.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, his injuries support the claim that Trayvon laid hands on him. The question was- who approached who in that moment? There is some time when the accounts may be conflicting or hazy, and unfortunately the only other witness is dead. Zimmerman may have turned away or walked away, and Trayvon may have assaulted him. If Zimmerman was in the process of walking away, then Trayvon could be considered to have exercised HIS "stand your ground" rights, but I find that a specious argument. That part will need careful reconstruction of evidence, including figuring out who was shouting for help over the phone.



Zimmerman's testimony is going to hold some weight. There is also a witness that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. I know that could have still happened after Zimmerman attacked Martin, but I think that is harder to believe.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I hope juries are smarter about the evidence than you give them credit for. The juries that I've been on have been pretty astute about being gamed by the lawyers.

That was kind of my point- you can have trace amounts of ANY drug in your system from incidental exposure, including THC, opiates, and cocaine.

One of the problems is that people expect that if one party is not guilty, the other must be guilty. In situations like these, the fault often lies one both sides, although one side may be more culpable.



You can have trace amounts because of incidental exsposure. That looks less likely when you get caught with a bag which is believed to have contained weed in school. The defence is going to try and paint Martin in a bad light if they can. The jury maybe smarter then to believe everything the defence says, but all they have to do is place some doubt.

I just don't see Zimmerman getting convicted. I think he is going to walk.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, May 18, 2012 6:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm afraid Zimmerman's going to walk, too. Not that I want to see him prosecuted for "murder", which I think i weird, but I think he shold have SOME responsiblity for what happened. Hopefully one this is allsorted out i court, wrongful-death civil suits should follow!


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Friday, May 18, 2012 6:56 AM

STORYMARK


I just hope that ultimately, it leads to the law being rewritten into something that makes a bit more damned sense.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 18, 2012 8:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA



*shaking head*

You try to pull a gun on me, TRUST me, you'd wind up in far worse shape than Zimmerman did.
How it is that even people who know better chug down a spoon fed narrative so obviously manufactured ?

I stand by my assessment, still.
Zimmerman approached an already suspicious Martin, got in his personal space aggressively, and Martin reacted in a hostile fashion, a scuffle ensued and wound up with Martin getting shot - my OPINION of that unknowable moment is that Zimmerman laid hands on him, and Martin reacted by pounding the crap out of him, but backed off once Zimmerman was incapable of aggressing on him, THEN Zimmerman shot him as he was backing away, out of a combination of fear, humiliation and ego involvement.

Which is in fact second degree murder, acceptable on plea to manslaughter.

But the spin on this, the blatancy of what appears to be something between institutional racism, and general ass-covering, also shows up the immense imbalance of power which makes our court systems something of a joke when the prosecutor, police, and court collude on something, whether it be railroading someone innocent, protecting someone guilty, or bending the hell out of the rules to shield their own incompetence - if a public defender started strategically leaking information he'd damn near be lynched for it and WOULD be disbarred, not to mention the various procedural and other violations prosecutors get a free pass for, not the least of which is violation of discovery, which is ALSO a factor here, since the leaked information being held back WAS in fact a violation of the discovery process, you understand.

The thing that's grinding my gears right now is the complicity of the media shovelling a narrative in such a way as to intentionally try to influence a trial, that's obstruction of a sort, but let that go, what REALLY annoys me about it, is this...
"On noes, the person being chased by a suspicious, aggressive creep physically beat him when that suspicious, aggressive creep tried to pull a gun on him, oh how horrible..."
And I say to that, Fuck You.

When an ARMED, suspicious and threatening individual approaches and confronts you, maybe lays hands on you, you really think it's beyond the pale to respond violently in an effort to prevent them from deploying that armament against you ?
Mind you, we do not know whether Martin was aware that Zimmerman was armed, but I highly suspect that reaching for that armament is what set the conflict from push and shove to serious violence - one of my own well known tactics is preventing someone from deploying a weapon in much the same storm-rush fashion, but I don't stop till said weapon is in my possession.

Oh and FYI, tactical/procedural screwup I maybe didn't mention before, in addition to all the other ones...
Zimmerman also screwed the pooch by getting in arms reach during that confrontation, probably in an effort to intimidate - there's a REASON I talk to people out there in the darkness from fifteen feet away, folks.

-Frem

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Friday, May 18, 2012 9:41 AM

OONJERAH


Quote Frem: "there's a REASON I talk to people out there in the darkness from
fifteen feet away, folks."

Yeah, but, Frem! --
Your purpose, goals and motivation are different from Zimmerman's, maybe even
opposite. I think so.

Zimm may have fulfilled his self-appointed destiny, but missed the Hero mark.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Friday, May 18, 2012 9:54 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Zimmerman was right.

If the courts and/or the jury agrees... guess who will be cleaning up the mess that the rioters cause? First responders on the front lines of every stupid thing that people do...

Yeah, that would be me.

Guess who will be protecting his wife and child from the rioters?

Yeah that would be me.

Guess who will be walking the line with his neighbors, to keep his area safe?

Again, me.

People like Frem and Niki love to stoke the flames of race and class-war... cause it never touches them.

Maybe its time to stop listening to them?







"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Friday, May 18, 2012 10:11 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,



--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, May 18, 2012 10:16 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Zimmerman was right.



Once again using your magical powers?

Oh, right, you know he HAD to be right, because Martin was black, and thus must be WRONG.

Fuck off you buffoon.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 18, 2012 10:46 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Well,

If Im keeping watch on a potential criminal....not doing anything other than that...and they attack me...

Yeah, Im shooting them.

Funny how no one talks about the fact that Zimmerman shot him once, and then tried to give him aid.

Most people would have emptied the mag.

Guess Zimmerman was really just trying to stop the assault, and not actually kill Martin. Just make it stop.

But back to the wtich-hunt... which leads to the riots... while the people egging this on sit comfortably in their homes.

Also, Story?

Really? Do you matter at all? I mean, all life is valuable but... you seem to exist as one of those whose sole purpose is to just exist. No meaning, no purpose, no reason. I would say you were evil, but that gives more value than you actually earn. You are really just backround noise. Faceless, meaningless, purposeless. Garbage on the side of the road.

Carry on tho.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Friday, May 18, 2012 10:55 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg




"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Friday, May 18, 2012 11:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Well,

If Im keeping watch on a potential criminal....not doing anything other than that...and they attack me...

Yeah, Im shooting them.

Funny how no one talks about the fact that Zimmerman shot him once, and then tried to give him aid.

Most people would have emptied the mag.

Guess Zimmerman was really just trying to stop the assault, and not actually kill Martin. Just make it stop.

But back to the wtich-hunt... which leads to the riots... while the people egging this on sit comfortably in their homes.

Also, Story?

Really? Do you matter at all? I mean, all life is valuable but... you seem to exist as one of those whose sole purpose is to just exist. No meaning, no purpose, no reason. I would say you were evil, but that gives more value than you actually earn. You are really just backround noise. Faceless, meaningless, purposeless. Garbage on the side of the road.

Carry on tho.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."







I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, May 18, 2012 11:21 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,



--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, May 18, 2012 11:37 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Well,

If Im keeping watch on a potential criminal....not doing anything other than that...and they attack me...

Yeah, Im shooting them.



And if someone was following you, for no reason, I bet you'd attack.

And by your "logic" that person would be right to kill you.

Quote:

Funny how no one talks about the fact that Zimmerman shot him once, and then tried to give him aid.

Most people would have emptied the mag.



There ya go, projecting again. How is it you have this magical knowledge of what everyone else would do? Oh, right, you're deluded.

Quote:

Guess Zimmerman was really just trying to stop the assault, and not actually kill Martin. Just make it stop.


Which explains why he shot him in the chest, and not the leg or shoulder.

Oh, wait - the opposite is true.


Quote:

Also, Story?

Really? Do you matter at all? I mean, all life is valuable but... you seem to exist as one of those whose sole purpose is to just exist. No meaning, no purpose, no reason. I would say you were evil, but that gives more value than you actually earn. You are really just backround noise. Faceless, meaningless, purposeless. Garbage on the side of the road.

Carry on tho.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."



Once again using your magical powers, eh?

You know nothing about me, you dipshit. You think jusy because I don't agree with yor bigoted, paranoid idiocy that I believe in nothing, or do nothing? You're a fool, and you don't even realize how often you prove it.

You are nothing but an angry man, afraid of the world, who hides behind falsehoods and runs in the face of fact. You are nothing but a chump with delusions of grandeure.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 18, 2012 11:39 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:


"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."



HAHA. Are you totally unaware of the liberal background of the character?

Yeah, you probably are. Unsurprising. There's so very, very much you fool yourself about.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 18, 2012 11:52 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Yep.

An innocent man, trying to protect his community, is forced to shoot a thug. The media spins it to get ratings, innocent people are attacked by "urban youth"... then he goes free (because the evidence shows he defended himself)...

riots start...

rioters are shot in the areas where people still defend themselves...

buildings burn...

and people, like Story, like Niki, sit back and watch while the blood and the cost rises...

telling themselves it was worth it.

Yeah.

But no. I'm the villain.

That makes sense.






"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Friday, May 18, 2012 12:00 PM

STORYMARK


You're not a villian, Wulfie.

You're not that smart.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 18, 2012 12:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

Really? Do you matter at all? I mean, all life is valuable but... you seem to exist as one of those whose sole purpose is to just exist. No meaning, no purpose, no reason. I would say you were evil, but that gives more value than you actually earn. You are really just backround noise. Faceless, meaningless, purposeless. Garbage on the side of the road.




Wulfie, you poor slow child...

Do you realize that you've just summed up your entire existence?

You've done nothing with your life. You ARE nothing. And from the looks of it, you'll never BE anything. You live in quiet desperation, hoping for that one moment when you might try to make some kind of name for yourself by killing someone and being the "hero" you think you are, but who you really know you can never be.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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