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Why does 2012 look a lot like the 1950's?

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:57 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


I mean seriously, the other day it was Alan West and his proclamation that 80 Democrats in the House were Commies. And now there's this out of Tennessee.

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MEMPHIS, TN -
(WMC-TV) - Tennessee senators approved an update to the state's abstinence-based sex education law that includes warnings against "gateway sexual activity."

In a new family life instructions bill, holding hands and kissing could be considered gateways to sex. Planned Parenthood said that allowing state government to define local sex education curriculum could backfire.

According to a 2009 Youth Risk Behavior Study, 61 percent of Memphis City high school students and 27 percent of middle school students have had sex. That's higher than the national average.

Planned Parenthood said these numbers are why a new sex education bill promoting abstinence is not realistic.

"If the state of Tennessee gets to create the curriculum, it has to create something that umbrella reflects everyone," said Planned Parenthood Director of Education Elokin CaPese.

Tennessee House Bill 3621 and Senate Bill 3310 are currently up for debate.

In the bill, a uniformed policy on sex education is defined with terms like "gateway sexual activity." Also listed are statewide instructions on how to teach family life curriculum.

"It's not detailed enough in a health-based way," said CaPese.

The bill prohibits teachers from demonstrating gateway sexual activity. CaPese said that would include health education models.

"It makes it very clear that you can't promote contraception," said CaPese.

If an instructor goes beyond the curriculum, the bill gives parents more legal rights, stating, "The parent or legal guardian shall have a cause of action against the instructor or organization for actual damages."

"They can opt out, and that means that parents already have the power that we want them to have," said CaPese.

The bill goes before the House Education Committee next Tuesday.

Copyright 2012 WMC-TV. All rights reserved.



http://www.wmctv.com/story/17353757/bill-would-define-holding-hands-ki
ssing-as-gateway-sexual-activity


What in the world is going on here in this society? It's truly bad enough that there's people that would think like this but what frightens me is that people listen to what they have to say and decide "That is a intelligent, well-reasoned individual and I would like them to have the power to make decisions on we should live our lives."

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:13 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Next, bring back the separate beds for TV couples!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:18 AM

STORYMARK


As I said recently, there is a huge chunk of the "conservative" movement who are no longer actually "conservative" and are in actuality - "Regressive".

This is the result.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Cuda77:
I mean seriously, the other day it was Alan West and his proclamation that 80 Democrats in the House were Commies.




Oh, I'm sure Rappy will be along momentarily to insist that West wasn't lying, he merely "misspoke".




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Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:58 AM

WHOZIT


The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez


The 1950's;

Low gas prices

Low unemployment

Prez was a war hero General

The cars were sooo pretty

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:27 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
As I said recently, there is a huge chunk of the "conservative" movement who are no longer actually "conservative" and are in actuality - "Regressive".


Ayep, and where that path ends is back in the caves, cause you follow it to the logical end point we're talkin about the destruction of civilization itself here.

-F

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:33 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez




Sounds like the Bush years. Except Obama actually won his election.



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:45 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez


The 1950's;

Low gas prices

Low unemployment

Prez was a war hero General

The cars were sooo pretty



Little sexual freedom, racism, sexism, pollution, hazardous working conditions...

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:50 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez




Sounds like the Bush years. Except Obama actually won his election.



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



When did unemployment hit over 8% in the Bush years AND STAY THERE!! Did it get up to 9.7% and one point? Under Bush we had under 5% unemployment and gas was under $2 a gallion when he left office, under Barry the U.S. is a black sucking hole of dispair. Go to ANY news site and read to 1st page and ask youself do I want 4 more years of this?

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:53 AM

STORYMARK


...Im not bothing with a moron like you, Zitboy. Pointing out that the majority of jobs lost was under Bush is the kind of fact that somehow is unpaletable to idiots.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:59 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez


The 1950's;

Low gas prices

Low unemployment

Prez was a war hero General

The cars were sooo pretty



Little sexual freedom, racism, sexism, pollution, hazardous working conditions...

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Alas, to conservatives - those ARE the good ol' days.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:11 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez


The 1950's;

Low gas prices

Low unemployment

Prez was a war hero General

The cars were sooo pretty



Little sexual freedom, racism, sexism, pollution, hazardous working conditions...

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Alas, to conservatives - those ARE the good ol' days.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Um...2 replys? Sounds like you're bothering with me. I'm so flattered!

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:14 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


One of them was to me...but don't let facts get in your way now!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez


The 1950's;

Low gas prices

Low unemployment

Prez was a war hero General

The cars were sooo pretty



Little sexual freedom, racism, sexism, pollution, hazardous working conditions...

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Alas, to conservatives - those ARE the good ol' days.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Um...2 replys? Sounds like you're bothering with me. I'm so flattered!







That sounds like exactly what you usually say to Niki when you're logged into one of your other accounts.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:30 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The 1950's seems to be a nicer place to live then Obamas America;

Gas prices at $4 a gallion

Unemployment at 8.2%

A class warfare batting dictator as Prez


The 1950's;

Low gas prices

Low unemployment

Prez was a war hero General

The cars were sooo pretty



Little sexual freedom, racism, sexism, pollution, hazardous working conditions...

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Alas, to conservatives - those ARE the good ol' days.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Um...2 replys? Sounds like you're bothering with me. I'm so flattered!







That sounds like exactly what you usually say to Niki when you're logged into one of your other accounts.



Sorry, this is my only account. Nice puppet.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:42 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


You couldn't pay me to live in the 50s.

I believe personally in waiting and having sex when you get married. If people aren't willing to do that then they should at least wait until they're 18, 19, 20, aka grown and wait until they care very much for someone. So those sex in school stats apall me and tell me that this abstanance thing isn't doing its job. I liked our sex ed when I was a kid, they presented us with info and we decided what we'd do with it. Knowledge is good since if you don't tell kids stuff they'll look for that info elsewhere.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:06 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Tonight I'm gonna party like it' NINETEEN FIFTY FIVE.

Whoo hoo.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:57 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
As I said recently, there is a huge chunk of the "conservative" movement who are no longer actually "conservative" and are in actuality - "Regressive".



If they getting voting in with great enough numbers we maybe able to de-invent fire.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
You couldn't pay me to live in the 50s.

I believe personally in waiting and having sex when you get married. If people aren't willing to do that then they should at least wait until they're 18, 19, 20, aka grown and wait until they care very much for someone. So those sex in school stats apall me and tell me that this abstanance thing isn't doing its job. I liked our sex ed when I was a kid, they presented us with info and we decided what we'd do with it. Knowledge is good since if you don't tell kids stuff they'll look for that info elsewhere.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.






http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/11/red-state-fail-abstinence-only
-education-leads-to-highest-rates-of-teen-pregnancy-in-the-country
/

Quote:

In yet another concrete example of how the right ignores reality in favor of harmful ideology, the latest statistics for teen pregnancy in the United States show a clear trend: traditionally red states that push abstinence only have the highest rates of teen pregnancy.









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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

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Friday, April 13, 2012 5:50 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


What a bunch of Drama Queens we have here.
Because of ONE guys comment and a potential change to a states cirriculum, all conservatives want to go back to the stone age.
Mighty big brush y'all are painting with. But I guess it is okay as long as you are "in the right".

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Friday, April 13, 2012 5:58 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBRAIN:
What a bunch of Drama Queens we have here.
Because of ONE guys comment and a potential change to a states cirriculum, all conservatives want to go back to the stone age.
Mighty big brush y'all are painting with. But I guess it is okay as long as you are "in the right".



There are comments about many recent conservative policies here in this thread.... and you claim its all about just one.

Once again, your projection says more about you than you realize.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, April 13, 2012 6:09 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
There are comments about many recent conservative policies here in this thread.... and you claim its all about just one.

Once again, your projection says more about you than you realize.


Once again, in your rush to condemn me you have failed to properly check your facts.
Please show me what other recent conservative policies were discussed in this thread.

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Friday, April 13, 2012 6:19 AM

CAVETROLL


This isn't exactly new news. I recall this being circulated last election cycle. The numbers have changed slightly.

During the 50's the cars were cooler, so it wasn't all bad. National travel was majorly by train. International was by ship. Air travel was restricted to the wealthy. But there were attendant risks. After '55 the US economy was really starting to boom. The actual recovery from the Great Depression.

But medicine was more crude. A lot of people got their news from the radio or newsreels. TV was a luxury, but TV news was of a higher standard. During that period from 1950-1959 the question wasn't should we do something, it was can we do something? Action followed inevitably after ability.

And we got a lot of superfund sites from that period. And above ground atomic testing. Secret government testing on the public. Not to mention the beginning of the active period of the cold war.

I'll pass on the '50s.

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Friday, April 13, 2012 8:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I lived through the '50s, so I remember them, and the "good" stuff about it was real, but to remember it as such a great time is bullshit. Some of the things I remember:

Cold war
Girls had to wear skirts to school (and the lengths were MEASURED), and women didn't wear pants, period
McCarthyism
The suppression of women, including that it wasn't "rape" if it happened in marriage
Racial segregation
TV was black and white, and we had three stations and all went off at midnight
The only women who worked outside the home were those forced to, and they only got "women" jobs, for meager pay
Soviet invasion of Hungary
Puritanical attitudes toward sex (which the right apparently wants to re-impose now)
Schools had us hiding under desks and going through "drills" in case of nuclear war and people built bunkers
The draft
J. Edgar Hoover, and all he brought with him
Divorce was difficult, and carried much stigma; women were told to "live with it"
In California, it was actually illegal to prosecute men for spousal abuse (considered "discipline")
Child abuse by parents and teachers was also considered discipline, and children had NO rights
Highways were few, roads were bad, and there were no "federal highways"

Those who didn't live through it have a romanticized view of the '50s, just as some do of the '60s. But romanticized views of any era forget the realities.



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Friday, April 13, 2012 1:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So why is the GOP so hell-bent on taking us back to a time that even Republicans admit wasn't great to begin with?

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:28 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Hey Storymark,

Just bumping this thread as I would still like an answer to the question I asked you earlier.
I assume my question simply got lost in the shuffle. I would hate to think that you would run and hide from a thread that you suddenly found uncomfortable. Especially since that is one of your typical taunts to certain other members of this community.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:45 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


One last bump for Storymark to prove he is not guilty of that which he accuses others of. Namely running from a thread.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:57 AM

STORYMARK


Fair enough. After being gone for a few days, I had forgotten about this thread.

You are right, looking back, there were not direct policies named.

However, I think you know damned well what my point was, as there were several GOP actions and general positions (not policies) mentioned.

So, you, you got me on semantics - but I stand by the underlying point that you were rather comically reducing a conversation down to one single point in order to dismiss it.

There, ya feel better?

And for the record, when I harangue others for running from a thread, I make sure before hand that its still an active conversation, and that they had been posting elsewhere while it was active (and not, as in this case, someone who had been absent from the board for days). I would love to go back and in response, show all the threads where the wingnuts flee (Rappy and Geezer being laughably consistent in such tactics) but who has the time to gather so damned many links?

But bully for you and your semantic victory. You earn a gold clap.



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:54 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Fair enough. After being gone for a few days, I had forgotten about this thread.


No worries. I wasn't sure considering you had posted in at least one other thread after I had made my query.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You are right, looking back, there were not direct policies named.


I appreciate that.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
However, I think you know damned well what my point was, as there were several GOP actions and general positions (not policies) mentioned.


Clarification never hurts.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
So, you, you got me on semantics - but I stand by the underlying point that you were rather comically reducing a conversation down to one single point in order to dismiss it.


Which was kind of my original point. This thread was specifically about one guys comments and a potential change to one states cirriculum. I found it quite comical that this lead some posters to state all conservatives wanted to go back to the stone age.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
There, ya feel better?


I do, and so should you.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
And for the record, when I harangue others for running from a thread, I make sure before hand that its still an active conversation, and that they had been posting elsewhere while it was active (and not, as in this case, someone who had been absent from the board for days). I would love to go back and in response, show all the threads where the wingnuts flee (Rappy and Geezer being laughably consistent in such tactics) but who has the time to gather so damned many links?


I hold myself to the same standard.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Fair enough. After being gone for a few days, I had forgotten about this thread.


No worries. I wasn't sure considering you had posted in at least one other thread after I had made my query.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You are right, looking back, there were not direct policies named.


I appreciate that.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
However, I think you know damned well what my point was, as there were several GOP actions and general positions (not policies) mentioned.


Clarification never hurts.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
So, you, you got me on semantics - but I stand by the underlying point that you were rather comically reducing a conversation down to one single point in order to dismiss it.


Which was kind of my original point. This thread was specifically about one guys comments and a potential change to one states cirriculum. I found it quite comical that this lead some posters to state all conservatives wanted to go back to the stone age.



Do you find it quite as comical when "some posters" cite a single person's comments from "the Left" and claim that such comments are indicative of the entire political left's mindset?

Seems to me your bias is showing.

Quote:


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
There, ya feel better?


I do, and so should you.
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
And for the record, when I harangue others for running from a thread, I make sure before hand that its still an active conversation, and that they had been posting elsewhere while it was active (and not, as in this case, someone who had been absent from the board for days). I would love to go back and in response, show all the threads where the wingnuts flee (Rappy and Geezer being laughably consistent in such tactics) but who has the time to gather so damned many links?


I hold myself to the same standard.



No you don't. You harangued me about being "scared away" from a conversation because I didn't post in it for a total of 8 hours, yet when I point out that you've vanished from another active conversation, you demand to know what I base those claims on.

Saying you hold yourself to the same standard is laughable, to put it mildly.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:04 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
This thread was specifically about one guys comments and a potential change to one states cirriculum. I found it quite comical that this lead some posters to state all conservatives wanted to go back to the stone age.



Yes, it started as one thing, but then others pointed out like-minded actions which seem to, in essense, try to retrun the country to the 50's - like the thread title says.

Sorry if you find recognizing parallels to be "comedic".

And I don't know who said "all conservatives" but I know I did not.



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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