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Zimmerman charged with 2nd degree murder

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:54 PM

WHOZIT

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:16 PM

OONJERAH



BREAKING NEWS: George Zimmerman arrested and charged with murder for shooting Trayvon Martin
Charges announced at a press conference at 6pm today
Special prosecutor Angela Corey dismissed the grand jury and said she alone would decide whether to charge Zimmerman
Announcement comes one day after Zimmerman's lawyers quit, saying they have not heard from their client since Sunday
Second-degree murder charge means Zimmerman faces life in prison

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128392/George-Zimmerman-arres
ted-charged-murder-shooting-Trayvon-Martin.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


The announcement means Corey doesn't buy Zimmerman's
claim that he shot the teen in self-defense and instead
knowingly killed him with a 'depraved mind'

Corey opened her speech by discussing her first meeting with
Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton.
She said: 'It was less than three weeks ago that we told
these sweet parents that we would get answers to their
questions no matter where those answers would lead'.

While Corey refused to reveal where Zimmerman is being held,
ABC News quickly reported that he is being held at the Orange
County Jail.

Any trial that could result from the charges is likely to be
a sensational spectacle -- even for Florida, which witnessed
the drama of Casey Antony's acquittal.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:27 PM

HERO


It's important for the Prosecutor to to note that they don't bow to public pressure before bowing to public pressure.

H

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Soooo... Case *not* closed, then?


Who was it who used to "laugh at your pain" all the time?

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by HERO:
It's important for the Prosecutor to to note that they don't bow to public pressure before bowing to public pressure.

H




Probably learned it from MIttens Romney.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:02 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


YAY for mob rule.


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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:18 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
YAY for mob rule.



I think certain people prefer the rope and tree approach for Mr. Zimmerman rather then Due Process.

H

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:24 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Rope and tree? Really?

I thought they were going to take the time to make a cross to crucify him on. Budget cutbacks, I suppose.

You know, with the state of the economy and all.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:52 PM

OONJERAH



Crucify him now? Canonize him later?
Doubtful.

Anyways, I'm for due process.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:07 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Again, I stand by my initial assessment of the situation.

Only part of it which hasn't been chapter and verse is that I did not know Florida doesn't have a Grand Jury requirment for anything less than first degree murder, and situations like this are why they ought to, ya ask me.

Oh, and Wulfenwhiner ?
Take a good long look at Zimmerman - that's YOU, should the world of reality ever intersect with your pathetic little plastic bubble world fantasies in a way that causes you to act out like the overgrown child you are.
You could take a lesson from it, but you won't.

As I called it, original charge Second Degree Murder - which will now be bargained or plead down to some variation on Manslaughter.

Also, that has shit to do with public pressure other than kicking the wheels of justice into motion in the first place, cause I made that assessment BEFORE all the media frenzy, and with that level of scrutiny they kind of HAVE to go by-the-book, and follow procedure cause to do anything less would cause even more uproar.
And he did in fact, ignore his lawyers and mouth off to the prosecutor directly, which is very likely WHAT enabled them to charge his ass, as I pointed out also, would happen.

-Frem

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
YAY for mob rule.





So him having his day in court after admitting to shooting and killing an unarmed kid is "mob rule" in WulfieWorld™, eh?


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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by HERO:
Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
YAY for mob rule.



I think certain people prefer the rope and tree approach for Mr. Zimmerman rather then Due Process.

H




I think you have Z mixed up with Trayvon, who basically WAS given the "rope and tree" treatment. No charges, no jury, no trial, just a loner with a gun on his hip and a chip on his shoulder.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:26 PM

HKCAVALIER


Yeah, the push-back from the right over simply putting Zimmerman on trial baffles me. He shot and killed an unarmed 17 year old in the street outside the kid's own house. And the right doesn't want this investigated? It's absurd. And creepy as hell.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:01 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"the right? It's absurd. And creepy as hell." Hee, hee, hee. Yup.

That there is going to be due process around something which, WHOEVER is guilty of whatever, almost everyone sees as not having been properly handled by the police, is viewed as "mob rule" and bowing to public pressure is...well, absurd and creepy as hell. And it all comes from the right.

How incredibly sad.
Quote:

Take a good long look at Zimmerman - that's YOU, should the world of reality ever intersect with your pathetic little plastic bubble world fantasies in a way that causes you to act out like the overgrown child you are.
{{{shudder}}} but, sigh, probably true.

I assume the 2nd-degree-murder charge is so that they can, as you said, use it as leverage to make a deal. And she MUST know something we don't, in my opinion; certainly she's got a ton of stuff available to her that we don't, like the coroner's report, medical reports of any injuries to Zimmerman, powder burns or stuff that would show distance from gun and Martin, and who knows what else. Will be interesting to find out.



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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:57 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by HERO:
Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
YAY for mob rule.



I think certain people prefer the rope and tree approach for Mr. Zimmerman rather then Due Process.

H



Or trial by jury as opposed to vigilante action?

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:58 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Yeah, the push-back from the right over simply putting Zimmerman on trial baffles me. He shot and killed an unarmed 17 year old in the street outside the kid's own house. And the right doesn't want this investigated? It's absurd. And creepy as hell.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.



yeah, in what reality would this not have gone to trial?

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:10 PM

OONJERAH


Quote MagonsDaughter: "yeah, in what reality would this not have gone to trial?"

The possible reality that many of us feared, where Zimmerman also dies by a
vigilante's hand. Thus cheating everyone else out of justice and closure.

I believe two voices will convict him. One is Trayvon's voice calling just before
the shot rang out -- showing how long it took for Zimmerman's 'depraved mind'
to get full control. Two, as Frem says, is George's own voice; he can't shut up.

Lynching George. Did anyone on this forum recommend that? If so, I missed it.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:38 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Kind'a wondering about the Second Degree Murder charge.

Per Findlaw:

"To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the defendant acted according to a "depraved mind" without regard for human life. Florida state laws permit the prosecution of second degree murder when the killing lacked premeditation or planning, but the defendant acted with enmity toward the victim or the two had an ongoing interaction or relationship. Unlike first degree murder, second degree murder does not necessarily require proof of the defendant's intent to kill."

http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/second-degree-murder/florida/

And here's the Florida statute:

"(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
"
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute
&URL=0700-0799/0782/0782.html


Unless the State has more evidence than has been reveled so far, not sure if they can make the "depraved mind regardless of human life" connection.

Maybe the D.A. will try to have Zimmerman plead down to Manslaughter, or give the Jury a choice of lesser charges later on.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:09 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Lynching George. Did anyone on this forum recommend that? If so, I missed it.


On this forum? No. But in the press? Yes. I've seen numerous people offering a bounty, delivering up often false information on his location, and advocating violence against him.

H

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:10 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
And the right doesn't want this investigated? It's absurd. And creepy as hell.


It needed investigation. But that should come before all these people get on TV making demands.

H

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:28 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Unless the State has more evidence than has been reveled so far, not sure if they can make the "depraved mind regardless of human life" connection.

Maybe the D.A. will try to have Zimmerman plead down to Manslaughter, or give the Jury a choice of lesser charges later on.


I've been in this position. The only evidence we know of is the 911 tapes, the eyewitnesses, and the admissions by Zimmerman.

Nothing so far revealed warrants a Murder charge.

Did he follow Trayvon? Yes, but thats not illegal. A man is free to walk in his neighborhood and even to follow someone he thinks is suspicious.

So there must be more to their case. I suspect that the forensic evidence does not support Zimmeran's story. If that is so, then his whole story collapses. There could also be new eyewitnesses or a change to the story of an existing witness.

For example, a couple years back a white cop was shot by black man during a routine traffic stop. The man's story is the cop exited his vehicle, made racial comments, and then attacked him forcing him to defend himself. He also claimed to have been sleeping with the cop's wife. There was no camera in the cruiser and no eyewitnesses. The cop was known as one of the nicest most straight forward of guys...kinda guy who'd be great to have a beer with. There was no evidence he or his wife knew the Defendant...none. The Defendant could not name when, where, or how he had met the cops wife and later admitted it was a lie. The cop's gun was never drawn, there were no signs of a scuffle on either person. There were no powder burns on the cop so the gun was fired from a distance...thus the fight theory was suspect from the begining. The nail in the coffin (litteraly once we finish executing the bastard) was the forensic evidence showed two gunshots to the chest fired from several feet away then a third shot to the head fired from someone standing directly over the prone body.

Forensics can make or break any case. I've seen some people speculating that the Prosecutor overcharged. I suspect that myself, its the same thing that happened in the Casey Anthony case. But until we see the evidence...who knows? I was, however, disturbed by the Prosecutor during the press conference. She was relishing in the spotlight and it was a shameful political display. In contrast the fella speaking for Zimmeran was displaying a quiet professionalism. I give round 1 to Zimmerman.

H

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The above is kinda what I believe, too. There's gotta be more. But also, apparently manslaughter in degrees and (I believe) even lesser charges are automatically available to the jury in Florida--or something like that. So there is nothing wrong with using the top charge, possibly in hopes of getting a plea and avoiding trial, since the jury can find any number of lesser charges if it wants.

I do think there has to be more than has come out publicly to even use that charge. If it turns out there isn't, that will be a miscarriage of justice, in my opinion.

As to
Quote:

I've seen numerous people offering a bounty, delivering up often false information on his location, and advocating violence against him.
Can you please offer cites on this? I've only heard that ridiculous New Black Panthers offering a reward for his location and that celebrity putting out the mistaken address. You seem to be saying "numerous people" have done this, and I haven't heard that. As to "lynching", I don't find that surprising at all. There's a lot of heated anger around this, and people do and say stupid things in the heat of anger. Gawd knows if it had been Martin rather than Zimmerman, mutterings of lynching would be all OVER the place!



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Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:41 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
YAY for mob rule.




Golly, charging a man for shooting an unarmed teen.... that's mob rule? Providing dispatches from KKK land now?

Funny how the law and order types (including Hero) get upset about due process when they've decided its okay to shoot darkies.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:44 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Yeah, the push-back from the right over simply putting Zimmerman on trial baffles me. He shot and killed an unarmed 17 year old in the street outside the kid's own house. And the right doesn't want this investigated? It's absurd. And creepy as hell.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.



They've taken up the methods of the politicians they so feverishly defend - if the other side approves - IT MUST BE STRUCK DOWN WITH FIREY VENGEANCE!!!

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:25 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Excellent news. The place to determine whether or not Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense, or shot him for the sheer joy of shooting a black teen, is court. Or an internet forum.

Of course, if Zimmerman is acquitted (or found guilty of a lesser-included offense like manslaughter) there may be a significant risk of entertaining protests and BAWWing.The same may hold true for a guilty verdict. (reaches for popcorn).


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Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:48 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
I was, however, disturbed by the Prosecutor during the press conference. She was relishing in the spotlight and it was a shameful political display.



Madame Geezer, who has no dog in this fight at all, said pretty much the same thing.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
And the right doesn't want this investigated? It's absurd. And creepy as hell.


It needed investigation. But that should come before all these people get on TV making demands.

H




Yes, it SHOULD HAVE come before that. But it didn't, which is WHY all those people were on TV making demands.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:17 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Thought this might be appropriate on the PRO-Zimmerman side.



Or not.

Considering he was just protecting his life, his family, his home, and his neighbors.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:19 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Considering he was just protecting his life, his family, his home, and his neighbors...



...from a teenager with a pack of skittles. Oh my God the horror!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:11 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Considering he was just protecting his life, his family, his home, and his neighbors.

By taking Trayvon Martin's life, outside his home, in his neighborhood, leaving his family to demand justice from a system that would have ignored the entire case otherwise.

So no. Trayvon Martin was no threat to Zimmerman's family, home, or neighborhood. And it remains to be seen if he represented a credible threat to the life of Mr. Zimmerman. You sure can sling it, Wulf.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:14 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


There are many disturbing elements about this case.

Gated Communities?
Armed vigilante patrols?
A law which justifies murder on the basis of perceived threat?

Doesn't this all sound incredibly dysfunctional?

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:29 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Thought this might be appropriate on the PRO-Zimmerman side.



Or not.

Considering he was just protecting his life, his family, his home, and his neighbors.



From skittles.

You should put a white hood on your avatar. Would suit you better.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:31 PM

OONJERAH


Quote MagonsDaughter: "Doesn't this all sound incredibly dysfunctional?"

Well, yeah. SOP.

ETA: Societal design ala A.L.E.C.


. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
There are many disturbing elements about this case.

Gated Communities?
Armed vigilante patrols?
A law which justifies murder on the basis of perceived threat?

Doesn't this all sound incredibly dysfunctional?




Sounds like America. Land of the Free!




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Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:33 PM

OONJERAH



We're working our way toward Lord of the Flies.
Gettin' close, too.

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Friday, April 13, 2012 7:45 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Tatooed expelled drug addict Trayvon Martin separated at birth from mass-murdering drug addict dope dealer Hussein Obama who kills 50% of all black babies, both shot by Hispanic jews

Robert Zimmerman said his son is Hispanic
http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/03/16/george-zimmermans-father-m
y-son-is-hispanic-not-racist
/
http://jewishornot.blogspot.com/2012/04/is-george-zimmerman-jewish.htm
l


The family's attorney, Ben Crump, said Martin's son had been suspended for 10 days from his high school the day he was shot after traces of marijuana were found in his book bag. Martin's father had said previously Trayvon was suspended after being found in an unauthorized area at the school.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-marijuana-su
spension-police-want-demonize-194904865.html


Black Teen in Florida Kills Two White Students in Cold Blood – No Outrage and No Apology from Obama
http://www.dividedstates.com/black-teen-in-florida-kills-two-white-stu
dents-in-cold-blood-no-outrage-and-no-apology-from-obama
/

“Million Hoodies for Trayvon Martin Coalition" by Obama's police provocateur Black Panther Party calling for race war to kill all whites (Zimmerman is Hispanic), puts bounty for murder of Zimmerman, and get lazy black voters and self-hating stoner white voters to vote
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-
new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-vigilante-justice-black-men

http://www.infowars.com/new-black-panthers-and-nazis-hijack-trayvon-ma
rtin-case
/



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Friday, April 13, 2012 7:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You are truly one sick fuck, PN. And what in your fevered brain has Obama got to do with ANY of this?

Man, you need HELP!



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Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM

OONJERAH



George Zimmerman: Self-defense hearing could dismiss death charge
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-11/news/os-george-zimmerma
n-stand-your-ground-hearings-20120411_1_eric-sandhaus-craig-sandhaus-milton-torres


George Zimmerman can ask to have the second-degree-murder charge against
him dropped without having to stand trial in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Two years ago, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that anyone claiming "stand
your ground" immunity in a death, battery or assault case can request a
hearing on the evidence.

The hearing allows the prosecution and defense to argue all the elements
of self-defense in the case evidence. To get charges dismissed, the accused
must convince the judge that a reasonable person would believe that using
deadly force or the threat of deadly force was the only way to protect his
or her life, court records show.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Friday, April 13, 2012 2:14 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

George Zimmerman: Self-defense hearing could dismiss death charge
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-11/news/os-george-zimmerma
n-stand-your-ground-hearings-20120411_1_eric-sandhaus-craig-sandhaus-milton-torres


George Zimmerman can ask to have the second-degree-murder charge against
him dropped without having to stand trial in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Two years ago, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that anyone claiming "stand
your ground" immunity in a death, battery or assault case can request a
hearing on the evidence.

The hearing allows the prosecution and defense to argue all the elements
of self-defense in the case evidence. To get charges dismissed, the accused
must convince the judge that a reasonable person would believe that using
deadly force or the threat of deadly force was the only way to protect his
or her life, court records show.



This is true in every criminal case in USA. But 99% of sheeple don't know you must DEMAND this hearing in writing, or the prosecutors and judges WILL cheat you out of it. This is called a probable cause hearing. To beat a traffic ticket in most states, you must demand a PC hearing in a lower court.

In a PC hearing PROSECUTORS only have a burden of proof of 51% (a mere coin toss), with an "automatic" win by the prosecution for a "bind over" to the grand jury (where the defendant and defense lawyer is not allowed. Prosecutors joke they can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. Then the defendant MUST demand in writing a trial by jury. A competent murder trial defense costs $100,000 minimum.

This prosecutor has zero evidence that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense: no eyewitnesses, no confession, no videotape. Therefore, there is no way a grand jury would find probable cause, so they bypassed the grand jury without an indictment, and the prosecutor filed an "information" which is NOT based on probable cause (just a letter by a prosecutor saying the accused "might" have done something but that the prosecutor has no "personal knowledge" the accused actually did it).

Is Zimmerman guilty of being a scumbag jew Spic wanna-be-cop who narced to cops 50 times a month and whose JEW DADDY IS A JUDGE? GUILTY!!!

Quote:

Robert Zimmerman, a former Orange County magistrate judge, recently wrote a letter to The Orlando Sentinel defending his son, who’s been dragged through the mud for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old last month. In the letter, the senior Zimmerman asks people not to jump to conclusions and insists that his son didn’t follow the young boy home as he walked through their gated community. According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/zimmermans-father-the-judge-got-
him-released/question-2547785
/





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Friday, April 13, 2012 2:25 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

You are truly one sick fuck, PN. And what in your fevered brain has Obama got to do with ANY of this?



I'd rather be a sick fokker than a lesbian commie jew like you. At least I won't face arrest and death penalty for treason like you.

Mass-murdering dope-dealing Al Qaeda terrorist Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro says doper drop out Trayvon Martin looks like his bastard son
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/23/obama-calls-florida-shootin
g-death-tragedy-says-his-son-would-look-like-trayvon
/

Congressional Black Caucus ObamaThugs Calls for Race War to keep Obama in power
http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/alert-congressional-black
-caucus-obamathugs-calls-for-race-war-to-keep-obama-in-power



HUSSEIN OBAMA AT BLACK PANTHER TERRORIST TRAINING CAMP IN 2007
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/04/09/new-black-panthers-calling-fo
r-race-war-blood
/

OBAMA GENOCIDED 1,000S OF CHRISTIANS AND ARSONED 700 CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN HIS BIRTH NATION OF KENYA:



Quote:

"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead, that where I was headed."
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father MP3
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/
http://piratenews.org/obamacrimes.html




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Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:27 PM

OONJERAH



Judge quits Trayvon Martin case, cites conflict; new judge to preside over bail hearing =>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-quits-trayvon-martin-case
-cites-conflict-new-judge-to-preside-over-bail-hearing/2012/04/18/gIQAp4kpRT_story.html


The Florida judge presiding over the Trayvon Martin shooting case
removed herself Wednesday after the attorney for defendant George
Zimmerman argued she had a possible conflict of interest relating
to her husband.

Judge Kenneth M. Lester Jr. will preside over the case, including
the Friday bail hearing for the neighborhood watch volunteer,
according to a news release from the court.
. . .
O’Mara said he requested that Recksiedler step down now because the
case is just beginning and he wanted any possible conflict to be ad-
dressed right away rather than in the middle of the case. Recksiedler
was assigned the case after Zimmerman’s arrest last week.

Lester, 58, was first elected to the bench in 1996. The Chicago
native grew up in central Florida and graduated from the University
of Florida College of Law in 1980, a year behind the special pro-
secutor in the case, Angela Corey.

He is a Vietnam combat veteran and is married to longtime Orlando
prosecutor Dorothy Sedgwick, who works in a neighboring jurisdiction.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Thursday, April 19, 2012 12:25 PM

OONJERAH



Safety, location at issue if Zimmerman is released =>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvWI8xrp3G7YjCNSlkqd
XT0UYWyQ?docId=e41a1aa7137c4fbf8f67d211c6731e5a


(AP) — After spending a week in a jail cell by himself, the neighborhood watch
volunteer charged with murdering Trayvon Martin stands a good chance of being
granted bail Friday, despite the severity of the second-degree murder charge
he faces.

Whether George Zimmerman is allowed to leave the county as he awaits trial —
and how he would remain safe — are two questions likely to be at the center of
the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center . . .




. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Thursday, April 19, 2012 12:45 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote MagonsDaughter: "Doesn't this all sound incredibly dysfunctional?"

Well, yeah. SOP.

ETA: Societal design ala A.L.E.C.




I dont understand

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Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:05 PM

OONJERAH


Quote MD: "I dont understand"

From A.L.E.C., we get pre-packaged, conservative laws, no thinking required.
"Stand your ground" is one of A.L.E.C.'s donations.

A.L.E.C. = American Legislative Exchange Council



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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