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Bigfoot, Seriously ??!

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Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:38 PM

Bigfoot vs Grizzly Bear => http://www.ghosttheory.com/2012/05/02/bigfoot-vs-grizzly-bear

Bigfoot Alaska: Bear Encounters Bigfoot And One Story About Inverted Trees Check out this excerpt from the documentary Monsters and Mysteries In Alaska, a Discovery network special from 2010. The focus of this segment deals with stories from Alaskans regarding the presence of sasquatches in the immense wilderness of the state. The first half of the video gives us an account from an eyewitness, and the last examines the peculiar phenomena of 1000 pound cedar trees that have been driven several feet into the ground root side up, rumored to be the work of sasquatches according to Alaskan natives. ... "For those of you interested in evidence or debunking of Bigfoot, look here for plenty of good material coming soon. I will be attending the upcoming Pacific Northwest Conference on Primal People in Richland Washington this weekend and be bringing you reports in as timely a fashion as I am able.

"Hopefully I will be able to post from the conference, but if not I will certain- ly bring home lots of stories and pictures and post them here for your read- ing and viewing pleasure.

"I might even be able to work in some video.

"Among the notables speaking at the conference will be: Bob Gimlin, of the Patterson/Gimlin film fame, the first and to date possibly still the best evidence of Bigfoot. Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum who has been kind enough to comment here at GT from time to time. And Dr Melba Ketchum, DNA expert and hopefully planning on disclosing her results from recent samples." Oonjerah: The Patterson-Gimlin film is old news. After all this time, it remains controversial ... as if we're all seeing different movie. But I have a notion about it. I plan to post that soon.

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Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:45 PM

from Guy Edwards' BIGFOOT Lunch Club:

AT the Pacific Northwest Conference on Primal People, Melba is a no show, then Literally Phones it in => http://www.bigfootlunchclub.com/search/label/DNA

[Melba said nothing worthwhile, so I scrolled down to a more interesting post]

"Richard Stubstad: Sasquatch Proof Requires 100% Certainty, I'm at 97%" [Liked it, but I didn't quite understand it.]

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Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:32 PM

Can Anyone Strut Like Miss Patty Bigfoot?

October 20, 1967, on Bluff Creek near Orleans, CA, Roger Patterson and Robert Gimlin made a 53 second movie of what they claim was a Bigfoot. If you have any interest in Bigfoot, you've probably seen it. "The film has been subjected to many attempts both to debunk and authenticate it."

In the USA, about 30% of people believe Bigfoot exists; but that, of course, doesn't necessarily reflect a belief that the Patterson-Gimlin film is genuine. Nevertheless, I'll go with it and say, Up to 30 of Americans believe that Roger Patterson shot a real Bigfoot.

Why do we believers think it's real? Nevermind. That explanation is far too long and detailed and not truly relevant to my point here. Suffice it to say, "She sure looks real to me."

Most Bigfoot home movies look fake if they are close up, and in the distance, they look like a blurred, featureless, gray blob. Of the dozens of movies offered for our viewing pleasure, not one comes close to the Patterson-Gimlin film.

Of those who disbelieve "Patty," as some call her, many will admit it was a helluva good job! Others refer to it as a crappy, obvious fake.

If, indeed, it is such an obvious fake, it should be a simple matter, with a bit of preparation, to duplicate Patty's debut. All I would ask is that producers use the same make and era of camera, the same sort of gorilla suit, i.e., one that could have been made in 1967, and shoot the movie at the same spot.

If it's fake, was Bob Hieronimous the guy in the monkey suit? Was it, as he says, homemade from a dark brown horse hide? Or did Patterson buy a gorilla suit from Morris Costumes of North Carolina? If it was me producing the movie, I'd have tried to get one of Morton Haack's gorilla suits from Planet of the Apes. Those looked pretty good.

Oonjerah wants a Remake!!

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Friday, May 11, 2012 7:36 PM

Bigfoot stuff read on the 'Net: Of all the stuff I've sifted through before & since Frem put up this thread one month ago, I never til today heard of Bill Munns. I was, of course, haunting the pro-Bigfoot sites. So why didn't any of them mention Bill Munns?

I guess they just didn't want me to know. Nor you to know.

Munns' attributes: one of the world's leading experts on Ape Suits. Knows camera and film; he spent at least 2 years doing an in depth analysis of the 1967 Patterson Gimlin Film. . . . If anyone would know how to remake that film, this is him.

The Munns Report, First Time Visitor Page => http://themunnsreport.com/tmr_v2_design_002.htm

The Essential Part that Oonjerah was looking for => http://themunnsreport.com/tmr_v2_design_003.htm -> Release 1H - Part Two

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:42 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

I give you the less rare Munns Patterson Gimlin Youtube Film

I am surprised by their anatomical conclusions (not human) given how well their human model fits into the 'squatch model in several shots. I'm also skeptical that BF would just walk away from the human with a camera - this is contrary to almost all the other encounters where BF was wiley and ninja swift.

I am also less convinced because the camera was rented, this makes me suspicious.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:18 AM

Quote PizmoBeach: "I am surprised by their anatomical conclusions (not human) given how well their human model fits into the 'squatch model in several shots. I'm also skeptical that BF would just walk away from the human with a camera - this is contrary to almost all the other encounters where BF was wiley and ninja swift." A good point. It sort of coincides with my own long time concern: We had a couple of cowboys riding thru the woods on horses, hunting. As experienced hunters, they'd be riding into the wind to hide their scent. But the horses are still damn noisy, moreso than a spooked deer.

How do these two guys manage to sneak up on an aware and alert native? They can't.

BTW, I was just going to upload the same video link, calling it "Uploaded 2011, a few clarifications ..." Meaning that what Munns shows there is in addition to information he shares in http://themunnsreport.com/tmr_v2_design_003.htm -> Release 1H - Part Two posted above. (And I've barely begun to read his stuff myself.)

You didn't look at that, I guess, and Bill can be wordy. So I'll just offer a real clue: He believes Patty was pretty old, a bit infirm. Does this hint that she may also be hard of hearing?

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:22 AM

More Munns: Winning vs Understanding

"One of the saddest things I have found in my internet forum experience is how powerfully the 'win at all cost' mentality has poisoned most discussions, and how few people actually feel that true understanding is the most valuable prize to win.

So these 'win at all cost' people refuse the most fundamental method of trying to resolve disputes, and once they do, the dialogues just end up as verbal shoving matches with no real winner."

Bill Munns' earlier web site: http://www.billmunnscreaturegallery.com/bmcgsite_032.htm

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Monday, May 14, 2012 4:57 PM

Mike Ruggs, BigfootMuseum - Patterson-Gimlin week

Episode 64. =>

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Monday, May 14, 2012 5:00 PM

Bill Munns discusses monster suits, ape, bigfoot, etc. at Bigfoot Discovery Day These are uploaded by BigfootMuseum = Mike Ruggs; they are not high quality videos. He gives pretty much the same information as in the PDF => http://themunnsreport.com/tmr_v2_design_003.htm -> Release 1H - Part Two

Q&A.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:06 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

OONJ - I'm winding my way through these, they are pretty cool - thx! I do like the idea that it could be an older, possibly crabby Bigfoot who is a little less concerned with stealth.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:19 PM

Years before the "Patterson-Gimlin Film," I read Ivan T. Sanderson's Abominable Snowmen. Oddly, I never cared about Yeti living on the other side of the world. But I was captivated by Bigfoot. I believed the long history of Indian lore though- out the land, and I thought the story of Jacko was likely true.

So when Patty showed up on the cover of Argosy, I thought, "There she is! There's proof!" It was the great joy of discovery!

The fact that scientists and publishers avoided this proof in droves, and that most people came to regard Bigfoot as a joke, made little sense to me.

With his enhanced copies of the film, Bill Munns sees details that would never have occurred to me. I think he has a sharper eye, too.

Other evidence that impresses me is the footprint casts with dermal ridges on them. Seriously.

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Monday, May 21, 2012 11:17 PM

Anthony Swarzak on Sasquatch: 'I believe they're real' => http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/05/16/12/Swarzak-on-Sasquatch-I-believe-
theyre-re/landing_twins.html?blockID=729860&feedID=3697

MINNEAPOLIS — What began as a simple curiosity about Sasquatch after watching a few television shows has turned into a bit of an obsession for Minnesota Twins reliever Anthony Swarzak — or so say his teammates.

Swarzak downplays his passion and interest in Sasquatch, otherwise known as Bigfoot. But ask those in Minnesota's clubhouse, and they'll tell you it's more than just a passing fancy for the right-hander . . .

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Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:27 AM

Bigfoot and Yeti DNA Study Gets Serious A call is out for supposed Big Foot material so university scientists can do genetic testing => http://news.discovery.com/animals/big-foot-genetic-testing-120522.html

A new university-backed project aims to investigate cryptic species such as the yeti whose existence is unproven, through genetic testing. Researchers from Oxford University and the Lausanne Museum of Zoology are asking anyone with a collection of cryptozoological material to submit descriptions of it. The researchers will then ask for hair and other samples for genetic identification. "I'm challenging and inviting the cryptozoologists to come up with the evi- dence instead of complaining that science is rejecting what they have to say," said geneticist Bryan Sykes of the University of Oxford.

========================= Did Bigfoot exist? Researchers want to crack the mystery European scientists will analyze DNA to determine whether the legendary creature was real => http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bigfoot-exist-researchers-crack-
mystery-article-1.1083747

European researchers are planning to use new techniques to analyze DNA that could help crack the mystery of whether Bigfoot exists. In a project announced this week, Oxford University and Lausanne Museum of Zoology scientists appealed to museums, scientists and Yeti aficionados to share hair samples thought to be from the mythical ape-like creature. New genetic tests will be done on just a few strands of hair and should be com- pleted within weeks. Even if the sample is judged to come from an unknown species, scientists should be able to tell how closely it is related to other species, including apes or humans.

. . . ========================= I am responsible for my own happiness.

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Friday, May 25, 2012 10:21 PM

Oh, by the by... Remember the original post which started this, in regards to Houghton Lake ? http://www.annarbor.com/news/female-lion-seen-near-ann-arbor-matching-
previous-cougar-sightings/ THERE is your "Bigfoot", and having suspected this all along, is one of the reasons I was uninterested in helping them.

Haven't seen any here, but last year we had a Coyote hanging out down by the waterline, and this year we have a pair of Foxes who have a den in the property next to us, which is an abandoned mini-mansion now apparently overrun with raccoons.

I don't mind since the predators eat the possums, rabbits and groundhogs (which the maintanence crew hate with a passion), but they seem to have a truce or non-aggression pact with the raccons, I guess they put up a better fight or don't taste so good or something.

-Frem

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Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:53 AM

I only know raccoons by reputation: An adult will stand and fight one dog, usually win, but will run from two. County tracker told me they are more than twice as strong as they look. Hard to catch one in a humane trap; they will wreck it. Yeah -- coyotes should not mess with 'em.

ETA: As for Animal Planet, Finding Bigfoot, good ratings, they can't afford to find him if they wanted to.

========================= I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

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Monday, June 04, 2012 12:56 PM

Universal K-9 Inc. Vies for Spot on Animal Planet's Popular Show "Finding Bigfoot" => http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/01/4532415/universal-k-9-inc-vies-for-sp
ot.html

SAN ANTONIO, June 1, 2012 -- /PRNewswire-iReach/ -- Universal K-9 Inc., a renowned service provider for individuals and police departments throughout the nation, is vying for a spot on Animal Planet's hit show "Finding Bigfoot".

Universal K-9, Inc., a national trainer and supplier of drug, protection and weapons dogs known for working with police departments across the country, has today announced they will offer their search services to Animal Planet.

Animal Planet's hit show, "Finding Bigfoot" sees four expert Bigfoot enthusiasts travel- ing the continental US and throughout Alaska tracking Bigfoot sightings. The team has traveled from New York to the Pacific Northwest, the Midwest, the Deep South and even into the Canadian wilderness following sightings. According to the four experts on the show, Bigfoot has a strong, distinct odor and leaves large, recognizable footprints.

Using modern tools like infrared video, eyewitness reports and recordings, new lighting techniques for night searches and volunteer search teams, the group combs North America in hopes of finding conclusive proof that Bigfoot is real.

Universal K-9 is vying for a spot on the show in order to use their award-winning dogs to track the creature. Police departments around the nation make use of Universal K-9's expertly trained dogs to track and apprehend a variety of criminals by following scents, so Bigfoot's trail should be a simple thing to follow. According to Ray Nunez of Universal K-9, "If Bigfoot really exists, I can guarantee you, our dogs will find him!"

WooF! And while the article reads mainly like an AD for Universal K-9, Inc., I'm in favor of using the dogs. I realize there would be a serious conflict of interest: When the dogs do actually get onto Bigfoot's trail (instead of pissing themselves under the nearest bush), APFB crew might have to bow out, since actually finding Bigfoot needs to wait until their ratings hit bottom.

========================= I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:21 PM

Believe it or not: Yes or no, opinions about Sasquatch’s existence are rarely gray => http://sportsyakima.com/2012/06/believe-it-or-not-yes-or-no-opinions-a
bout-sasquatchs-existence-are-rarely-gray/ June 11, 2012 by Scott Sandsberry “People believe in these things because they like to believe in them, and it keeps on going because people like it. And why not? It’s a charming story.” ~Ian McTaggart Cowan

This is the first of a six-week series on Sasquatch, a gigantic, reclusive beast that walks on two legs deep within our remote forests — or, depending on one’s beliefs, only deep within the recesses of gullible minds . . .

Oonj: A well written, objective article. More to come?

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:47 AM

Writing on the wall: Pictographs, tribal tales add to lore of Sasquatch => June 19, 2012 by Scott Sandsberry http://sportsyakima.com/2012/06/writing-on-the-wall-pictographs-tribal
-tales-add-to-lore-of-sasquatch/

Not far from the Tule River in Central California is a rock shelter used by tribal villagers long before the Sierra foothills began filling up with white settlers and gold miners. The shelter is known as Painted Rock by tourists and archeologists for its colorful array of centuries-old pictographs depicting the animal spectrum from the small (lizard, centipede, caterpillar and frog) and the high-flying (condor, eagle) to the bigger beasts (coyote, beaver, bear and man). And man, of course.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:49 AM

Sasquatch researchers face unwilling peers => June 26, 2012 by Scott Sandsberry http://sportsyakima.com/2012/06/sasquatch-researchers-face-unwilling-p
eers/

. . . A number renowned scientists — notably George Schaller, one of the world’s preeminent naturalists, and primatologist Jane Goodall, known for her chimpanzee research — have publicly called for more a open-minded approach by science to the research of Meldrum and others. But perhaps no scientist has undergone a more dramatic transformation in terms of that open-mindedness than Daris Swindler. A long-time professor of anthropology at the University of Washington, Swindler quite literally wrote the book on the comparative anatomy of man, apes and chim- panzees. His masterwork, “An Atlas of Primate Gross Anatomy,” is considered mandatory reading for all primate anatomists. And for many years, Swindler was publicly adamant that Sasquatch did not and could not exist. “He was the required poo-poo guy when it came to anything Bigfoot,” says John Green, a retired newspaper publisher and editor British Columbia. “If invited, he would give the scientific comment that there simply couldn’t be any such thing.” . . .

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Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:48 PM

True believers: People of all types are certain they have encountered Sasquatch July 3, 2012 by Scott Sandsberry => http://sportsyakima.com/2012/07/trues-believers-people-of-all-types-ar
e-certain-they-have-encountered-sasquatch/

A teenage hunter who watched it through his rifle scope for longer than a half-hour. A trumpet player who surprised it — well, the surprise was certainly mutual — at the chicken coop behind his Blewett Pass cabin. A construction contractor who had recorded the details of hundreds of sightings before, finally, having one of his own. Foresters who have seen it, heard it, felt it, smelled it, or followed its tracks often enough over the years, for them, the question isn’t whether it exists, but when and where it will show up next . . .

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Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:51 PM

What do you see? 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film remains a controversial subject July 10, 2012 by Scott Sandsberry => http://sportsyakima.com/2012/07/what-do-you-see-1868-patterson-gimlin-
film-remains-a-controversial-subject/

Here are some things to consider on both sides. The story in a nutshell: PG (Patterson-Gimlin) version: Having heard of fresh Bigfoot tracks around a new construction job in the coastal mountains of northern California, Patterson recruited Gimlin — who had a one-ton truck with a horse van and access to horses — to go with him to see if they could capture footage of whatever had made them. They searched the area on horseback for nearly three weeks before finally, on Oct. 20, 1967, they came around a bend near a creek bed and saw the creature long enough for Patterson, excited and flustered, to capture the shaky footage. They made plaster casts of its footprints, then rushed to the nearest decent- sized city, Eureka, to mail the footage home to Yakima so Patterson’s brother- in-law, Al Deatley, could arrange for its quick development. Bob Heironimus (BH) version: Patterson hired him to be the beast, provided the ape suit, and gave him directions to meet them at a gas station on the edge of a small town near the chosen filming site. He put on the suit, did the now-famous walk and look-back over his shoulder — and drove back to Yakima. Once back home, he showed the suit — in the back of his mother’s Buick — to a few friends at a local tavern before Patterson and Gimlin got back to Yakima and took the suit. Holes in the stories: . . .

========================= I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

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Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:05 PM

Sandsberry: Even after all the interviews and research, I still don’t know about Bigfoot’s existence -- July 17, 2012 by Scott Sandsberry => http://sportsyakima.com/2012/07/sandsberry-even-after-all-the-intervie
ws-and-research-i-still-dont-know-about-bigfoots-exisctence/

While researching an entirely unrelated story, I stumbled upon a website on which Bigfoot ‘encounters’ were reported, chronicled and followed up on. I thought that might make for an eye-catching offbeat story, albeit one whose target audience primarily resided in the waiting room for the shuttle back to the mother ship. That was nearly 40 interviews and more than 3,000 typed column inches of notes ago. Now I know precisely squat. I don’t know if I believe in Bigfoot. But I’m no longer sure I don’t. I think I have a little bit of an idea how Daris Swindler — a respected academician, anthropologist and primate anatomist who had for years thrown Bigfoot out with the bathwater — felt when he looked at a piece of evidence that made sense only if Bigfoot, or something like it, actually did exist. ===============================

Oonj: Not all the evidence for Bigfoot is anecdotal, but the huge bulk of it is. A scientist has to throw out the anecdotal stuff; I don't. What's left without it?

A good many footprint casts with dermal ridges & the Patterson-Gimlin film.

If anything is less convincing than the anecdotal reports, it's the hoaxes. Many seem to feel that because there have been many Bigfoot hoaxes, this shows the rest of the evidence to be false -- as if the two were somehow connected. That is truly sloppy thinking.

By such reasoning, I can show that the Neanderthal man never existed. Well, he existed for maybe 100 years in the minds of anthropologists. But in 1912, Charles Dawson created the Piltdown man; & many anthropologists accepted it as real. But it was exposured as a forgery in 1953.

Because Piltdown had a Neanderthal skull, disbelievers of primitive men could say that Neanderthal never existed, and it is not true that 1,000's of their skulls have been found in ancient caves across Europe. Indeed, with just a wee stretch of illogic, Dawson's false Piltdown could disprove the theory of human evolution entirely. A whole branch of science is in- validated by one error if we don't like what that science says.

To me, the ones who believe in Bigfoot have far better evidence than those who don't. The disbelievers I know personally have no evidence, no reason to disbelieve. It is something they have never seriously considered. Everyone knows that Bigfoot is like UFOs, fairies and Santa Claus. Seriously! Everyone knows . . .

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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:19 PM

Where's the science in the search for Sasquatch? by Brian Regal => http://blog.nj.com/njv_guest_blog/2012/07/wheres_the_science_in_the_se
ar.html

The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Agency recently issued a statement indicating it knew of no evidence of the existence of “aquatic humanoids.”

This remarkable statement was prompted by calls from viewers of Animal Planet’s “Mermaids: the Body Found,” which claimed such creatures exist. A swarm of television programs, listed as “scientific” and “reality based,” perpetuate similar pseudoscientific ideas that are gobbled up by viewers, especially kids.

This incident illustrates a dangerous trend: Viewers’ acceptance of claims made by untrained laypeople as authoritative, and their simultaneous rejection of work done by experts in science, history and politics . . .

========================= I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

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Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:18 PM

Tomorrow, THURS, 20 SEPT: Live Bigfoot video debate at 10:30 a.m. PT Thursday http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/09/19/live-bigfoot-video-debate-
at-1230-p-m-thursday/

The debate came about after Eric Berger, the SciGuy blogger for the Houston Chronicle, posted this post about how nearly one-third of Americans believe in Bigfoot. Berger’s take was that those Americans were pretty gullible and that there is zero chance of a Bigfoot species living in the United States. He will be opposed by a Bigfoot believer and cryptology enthusiast Mike Damante.

Oonj: Too bad, it happens when I am normally sound asleep. :(

Am I correct in my assumption that most Sasquatch deniers live in the City, on the concrete, and wouldn't know a gray squirrel from a chipmunk? And that country folk are generally more open on the matter?

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Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:02 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah: Am I correct in my assumption that most Sasquatch deniers live in the City, on the concrete, and wouldn't know a gray squirrel from a chipmunk? And that country folk are generally more open on the matter?

Not completely sure, I think it has less to do with where they currently reside than it might where their family line hails from - mine being of west virginia backwoods origin, most of em are pretty sure there's stuff out in the boonies science has never properly explained.

That and the science-as-dogma issue rears its head too, for I was much amused by them eating more than a little crow when exessively large oarfish were documented (sea serpent) and an actual collossal squid was found despite their endless assertions of no-such-thing.

I'd be a little more skeptical if it weren't for the sheer AMOUNT of no-such-thing that Science, Pyschology, and Societal studies have tried, and often failed, to foist upon us, so count me as dubious, but acknowledging the possibility.

-Frem

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Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM

Jane Goodall Still Finds Bigfoot Fascinating http://www.bigfootlunchclub.com/2012/10/jane-goodall-still-finds-bigfo
ot.html

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:38 AM

Totally appropriate that this thread resurfaces in October. For IT WAS THE THREAD THAT WOULD NOT DIE!!! :D

J/K, keep it going.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:56 AM

I have no opinion on bigfoot, but from what I've heard from a friend who frequents a cryptozoology forum, I think the people looking for bigfoot may be looking in the wrong places. They should try to narrow down what the likely food sources might be (fish?), and also consider that bigfoots may be nocturnal foragers.

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Friday, October 26, 2012 11:27 PM

TV Column: An easy $10 million if you can prove Bigfoot exists

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/tv-column-an-easy-10-mi
llion-if-you-can-prove-bigfoot-exists/2012/10/25/3d4acdaa-1eee-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html

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Friday, November 02, 2012 6:32 PM

31 October 2012

So the Yeti DOES exist. Scientists say so. DNA tests show "Yeti" hair close to humans But is it all an elaborate hoax?

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/so-the-yeti-does-exist-scientists-s
ay-so/story-e6frfq80-1226507133971

Jason of Perth comments on the story above: "Out of all the guides and porters I use in Nepal two out of about 30 claim to have seen the yeti. My good friend Bhadri, claims to have seen it twice in 32 years of guiding parties through the Everest region. It is considered a privilege. The other guides and porters are in no doubt whatsoever that the yeti exists, even though they have not seen it themselves. They all have stories of relatives and friends spotting the yeti. They are usually seen in the same area of the himalayas where it is totally uninhabitable by humans. They speak about the creature as a matter of fact and are quite amused that Westerners find it so hard to believe in its existence. Bhadri describes the creature in detail and says he watched it one time for about 30 seconds as it descended a mountain slope that no creature could possibly descend. The creature is extremely fearful of humans and will run at the first sight or smell of people. Believe it or not."

Emphasis mine. I find the Western skepticism arrogant, ignorant and strangely hidebound. Looking at who's offered at the polls to serve as our reps, looking at what's popular on TV, looking at how they took history out of public schools and we let them!, I will now accept that human stupidity is infinite & enjoyed by most.

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Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:25 PM

The Hunt for Bigfoot Goes High Tech http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2012/11/the-hunt-for-bigfoot
-goes-high-tech/

"What['s] . . . really needed was a Bigfoot hunting drone . . .

"And on Monday, Idaho State University approved the 'Falcon Project,' a proposal by faculty professor Jeff Meldrum to build a remote-controlled blimp to locate evidence of Bigfoot’s exist- ence. However, the school and state research institution won’t foot the bill, which Meldrum estimates would cost somewhere in the ballpark of $300,000 to carry out. Instead, he plans to raise the funds through private donations from supporters of the project. "Of course, Meldrum doesn’t think this is a waste of time or money. He told the Idaho Statesman: 'People say, ‘You are paid by Idaho State and you are doing this?’ But this is legitimate research. This could be one of the most outstanding questions in natural history and human anthropology that we have today.'”

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Friday, November 23, 2012 3:19 PM

When I posted Bill Munn's statements about the 1967 P-G Patti film, (May 11, fourth post from the top) I was totally unaware that an equally famous Hollywood artist had the opposite opinion & was just as sure of his conculsion.

From TV's "Best Evidence," season 1, Bigfoot => Here Jeff Meldrum, the anthropology prof who has collected 100's of 'Squatch footprints, after they have filmed an actor duplicating the Bigfoot walk from 1967, says, "the costume that we had at our disposal today, which was a fairly elaborate costume, paled by comparison to the anatomical details that were evident in the Patterson-Gimlin film."

But here's the dissent: Oscar-winning special effects & make-up master, Richard E. Smith: "Assuming that this is a put up job, they didn't do a very good job at it." & "I would say, this is a hoax." "big, bulky human in a suit."

Who created the suit? "Johnny Chambers, who was the Hollywood make-up artist of much fame" & who had done Planet of the Apes" released 1968, after the Patterson- Gimlin film. =====================

I have often thought that, if you're sure it's a hoax, you probably would assume that Patti was wearing a gorilla suit from "Planet of the Apes." But since a lotta folks are able to watch Patti and see a really shabby suit with an obvious zipper in it ... I'd be in the minority to credit Johnny Chambers with providing a superior suit.

Chambers' Gorillas:

Different minds, different eyes, see completely different films. Nay sayers see a Suit, I just as certainly see a real live animal, a nearly human animal.

But now, Oonj will prove, once and for all, but in a sexist way, that Patti was a Bigfoot.

Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin were guys. Bob Hieronimus and all the other people who've come forward to claim they were the guy in the ape suit were guys. It was an all-male production.

As such put up job, Patti woulda been Patrick, a male 'Squatch. Am I right? But if female, Patti's breasts would have been put much higher.

This observation, made by many, is even more telling: Patti's head is the right size. A guy in an ape suit, the head is always too big.

Often, I criticize myself for saying Bigfoot is real. When his exis- tence is known, they'll be hunted down. Humans are too nasty. One thing that helps him now is our conceit; most assume he has the intelligence of a chimp. He's close to us in brain power, I think, but most likely, has different abilities & priorities.

Bigfoot has natural advantages that let him elude us. But we have a bigger one: Tech, long distance viewing, spy cams.

"Run, Bigfoot, run!"

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A man's gotta know his limitations. ~Dirty Harry

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Friday, November 23, 2012 3:53 PM

Is Bigfoot hundred's of years old, or is there a breed of wildman? If there is a breed, then you'd be able to find very clear evidence of their existence, as they'd have to enough of them to breed and survive. At least as many as Mountain Gorillas in Uganda, who are on the verge of extinction but have been clearly captured on film and seen and hunted unfortunately by lots of people.

It's a bit like the Tasmanian tiger myth, people have seen in wandering around, but there would be have to be evidence of enough of them to continue to breed. And there isn't.

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Friday, November 23, 2012 4:28 PM

Quote MagonsDaughter: "but there would be have to be evidence of enough of them to continue to breed. And there isn't."

Where did you look?

Have you been looking at the Just-for-Fun Zany Yowie sites?

Sept 2012 poll, "Nearly 30 percent of Americans think that Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, Yeti or the Abominable Snowman is “probably” real, according to an Angus Reid Public Opinion poll."

At least once a month, I can find a new poll on Bigfoot's credibility. Usually, 'Squatch gets closer to 50% support in USA.

I believe in Bigfoot and can find a ton of evidence to support him. (See the rest of this thread.)

Bigfoot skeptics can look at the same evidence (often for less than 10 seconds), and reaffirm that there is no evidence.

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Friday, November 23, 2012 4:36 PM

I mean the same sort of evidence that mountain gorillas exist. They are shy creatures on the verge of extinction that avoid human contact, and yet we get footage like this:

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Friday, November 23, 2012 5:12 PM

Mountain gorilla population rises in Uganda, giving hope for endangered species AP 20 NOV 2012 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/uganda-mountain-gorilla-populati
on-rises-article-1.1204975 "Uganda is now home to nearly half of the world's mountain gorillas remaining in the wild, a source of confidence for a country that has come to depend heavily on the popular apes for substantial tourism revenue. The rest of the surviving mountain gorillas — the species Gorilla beringei beringei — are in Congo and Rwanda"

"depend heavily on the popular apes for substantial tourism revenue."

That's some great news, yes!

If everyone in Uganda knows where the gorillas live, then maybe they aren't that good at avoiding human contact.

The comparison to Bigfoot doesn't hold up.

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Friday, November 23, 2012 5:22 PM

If you watched the footage, these were a subspecies of gorilla, only 300 left and the team had to search for them to find them.

UNless someone is intimating that there is only one of these man/ape creatures alive, that it is the last of its species and long lived and kind of magical to boot, then to have a race of species that live in northern california without there being a heap of evidence of their existence, ie habitat, scat, food reminants and bones is just laughable.

That footage of bigfoot is ridiculous, just plain ridiculous. It looks like its wearing shoes, and the headpiece shows a gap where the eyes are.

People want their fairytales. So good luck to them.

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Friday, November 23, 2012 7:43 PM

"People only believe what they want to believe." ~J. Knutson

MD, I know you're fairly brilliant. I suspect you're playing Devil's Advocate.

I don't recall the author or title of this short story. It was published post "Jaws" fervor, late 1970's. Tom's an old sailor in his 70's who occassionally helms a ferry when the regular helmsmen aren't unavailable.

Jeff, our protagonist, has recently moved to the city, and on the ferry, we can glimpse a paperback copy of Peter Benchley's "Jaws" protruding from his coat pocket.

Once in port, Jeff & his friend head for a nearby coffee shop. After taking a booth, friend sees Tom at a nearby table and invites him over. Introductions, chit-chat.

Tom notices the book, "Looks like that's been read quite a few times." Jeff smiles and agrees.

Tom: Y'know, I've probably spent more time on the ocean than you've been alive, much of it on the conn of a ship. I've seen thousands and thousands of sharks: makos, dogfish, hammerheads,bulls, tigers. And d'you know what? I have never seen a great white. (pause) D'you know what that means?

Jeff: No. What does it mean?

Tom: There aren't any! They're a myth! He says it straight-faced, but after about 20 seconds, begins to laugh uproariously.

Jeff starts to name a few of the reasons why we know great white sharks are real. Failing to get a response from the laughing helmsman, he soon subsides.

Finally Tom says: I gotta go, boys. It was nice to meet ya, Jeff. (stands up) And you know what else? ... The Pacific Ocean is far bigger than any human mind can imagine. And that's just the top of it. (exits) =========================

Rumor has it that Bigfoots have been seen on every continent and every US state except Hawaii. Most commonly seen in the Pacific Northwest? From northern California east to the Rockies and north to Alaska = ??. OK. I calculated that once before, and it is many millions of square miles. But nevermind. It is quite small compared to the Pacific Ocean. But if I look at any of these wilderness areas from the top of a mountain, Mt. Shasta, for example, where I can see for over 100 miles in any direction, it is huge.

How big is northern California, north of Santa Rosa where "the woods start," civilization thins out? Not to include the Pacific coast from Marin county south, which is mostly wooded hills sub- ject to Bigfoot sightings. Since I know that much of northEast CA is high desert, only scattered woods, I'll subtract that ... leaves about 18% of the state.

Northwest California = 29,466 sq miles, 76,320 sq kilometers.

Can a large, smart animal hide in an area that small?

This assumes that all the sightings are lies or errors. These erroneous sightings come from all areas of California that are not heavily urbanized ... about 80% of the state. Sightings are anecdotal and contribute nothing to the evidence.

As for hard, undeniable evidence ... there's quite a bit. But it is much easier to say it doesn't exist than to look at it.

Magon's, I assume you've never lived in a wilderness area?

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Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:11 PM

Press release, Dr. Ketchum's Bigfoot DNA study results: http://dnadiagnostics.com/press.html While I was distracted, Melba finally shows up with the news. Conclusion is fantastic even by my standards. 'Bigfoot' DNA Sequenced In Upcoming Genetics Study (24 Nov 2012) http://www.kxxv.com/story/20175587/bigfoot-dna-sequenced-in-upcoming-g
enetics-study

"A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called “Bigfoot” or “Sasquatch,” living in North America. Researchers’ extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a ..."

ETA: "Ketchum calls on public officials and law enforcement to immediately recognize the Sasquatch as an indigenous people ..."

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Monday, December 17, 2012 10:49 AM

Dr. Ketchum: her paper on Bigfoot DNA has passed peer review & will be published very soon. (I hope.)

Also Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project seeks to shed light on the numerous cryptid wildmen including Bigfoot. It is headed by Dr. Bryan Sykes, a well-known geneticist and best- selling author of The Seven Daughters of Eve.

All of this belated, scientific interest has the Bigfoot community stimulated, and even motivated.

There are armed factions whose POV is that no one will ever accept the reality of Sasquatch until a dead body is brought in. They're hunting for the big guy.

Are they crazy? Of course not! ... They're just serious.

If I were a hunter these days, I'd for sure wear the neon orange vest instead of the camoflage.

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