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It's not that Liberals are ignorant, it's that they know so much which isn't true.

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Monday, April 9, 2012 10:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


http://www.projectveritas.com/

Let the spin commence.

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Monday, April 9, 2012 10:29 AM

STORYMARK


Too.... much..... irony.... laughing.... too.... hard....

Whoo! Thanks Rappy for my daily dose of Raptrad hilarity.

And that is literally all this thread is good for - a laugh.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, April 9, 2012 10:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I'd like to think that your laughter is being directed at AG Holder, who gets totally pwned by O'Keefe.


But experience w/ your comments here suggests otherwise.



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Monday, April 9, 2012 12:41 PM

FREMDFIRMA


*points*

*laughs*

So how's it feel to be a laughingstock, Rappy ?

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Monday, April 9, 2012 12:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wait - he's actually using James O'Keefe as a *NEWS SOURCE*?

And he's NOT being ironic about it?


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!


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Monday, April 9, 2012 1:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wait - he's actually using James O'Keefe as a *NEWS SOURCE*?

And he's NOT being ironic about it?


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!




Debunk the story, on its merits, if you can.

Go for it, dude.

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Monday, April 9, 2012 3:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wait - he's actually using James O'Keefe as a *NEWS SOURCE*?

And he's NOT being ironic about it?


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!




Debunk the story, on its merits, if you can.

Go for it, dude.






Okay.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/04/james-okeefe-st
ill-hasnt-found-his-voter-fraud.html


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/james-okeefe-eric-holder-voter-fr
aud.html


http://mediamatters.org/blog/201204090013


Done, poppet.



As always, we see that the only "voter fraud" that's "rampant" is the manufactured kind practiced regularly by the right. Well, unless it's the Indiana Secretary of State, who was convicted on half a dozen felony vote fraud charges (but with whom you had no problem whatsoever, by the way).




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Monday, April 9, 2012 4:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



No, not done. All you've done is shown complete and total denial, by the hyper extreme, ultra FAR Left wing media elite, and media matters, which is nothing more than an arm of Pravda- US.

It's so gorram funny, that even showing a video which specifically shows exactly what Holder says ins't happening, can't happen, isn't enough to wake the race baiting , lying , cheating Left from their delusional view on the world.

Use to be a saying, that even when shown a video of ( insert appropriate act ), the true believer would still deny that what's being shown is actually what's being shown.

And now we have, proof positive.

Alice, you can come back through the looking glass now. The gig's up.



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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 9, 2012 5:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Ah, I forgot - only YOU are allowed to say which media sources are acceptable and which aren't.

Clearly, to you and the rest of the hyper-right white-supremacist extremist wing of the Republican party, O'Keefe is a hero, your new messiah, "The One", a kind of god, and never to be questioned in any way, shape, or form.

To thinking people, though, he's a hack, and a really bad one at that.

You have no basis to assume you're not being shown heavily-edited ("phonied up" is the phrase you use for it, I believe) video which tells far, far less than the whole story, or even any semblance of the REAL story. It's what O'Keefe is known for, after all, and it's what he's done in every instance in the past, yet you're 100% sure that he NOT doing so this time.

It's not that you're ignorant (you are), it's that you know so very much that isn't true.

"Mission Accomplished!"

"WMD!"

"We'll be greeted as liberators!"

"The economy is on fire!"

"95% of Americans pay no taxes!"

"Rush is completely right, and any woman who wants to be responsible about practicing safe sex is a whore and a slut!"

"Corrine Brown said Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog!"

"Nobody edited the ACORN or Shirley Sherrod tapes!"

There's just so many things you *know*, are absolutely sure of, which are 100% wrong. It's no wonder you "know" that O'Keefe is a real reporter.




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Monday, April 9, 2012 11:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



So, can't dismiss what's on the video, can ya ?

Nope. Didn't think so.

Eric Holder gets pwned, and so did you, apparently.

And because you can't deal w/ the simple, straight forward truth, you are compelled to dig up old quotes, taking them completely out of context, or making them up out thin air, as is if a single one of them has 1 damn thing to do w/ voter fraud and the absolute need to show some sort of ID when voting.

Crassic.

And Corrine Brown ? Wow, seriously ? Dude, you're completely grasping for straws here, and it shows.

What we have here is nothing less than a display of the scientific method.

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results



Showing that voter fraud is possible, and in light with all the cases of KNOWN voter fraud, it's hardly a stretch to claim that there's no way that voter fraud can't be wide spread. A simple rule of showing one's ID to the polling officials would greatly reduce such fraud. It's really just that simple.


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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:35 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Okay Rappy, OKeef walked in, got a ballot by giving Holders namd and address and could have voted for him. So? Yes it is voter fraud, at the grand total of one vote. After having done that no one else could have used Holder's name to get a ballot. Plus if Holder did show up after the fact and was degined he could prove his identity, get OKeef's vote thrown out and cast his vote. If anything this shows how unrealistic it is to say there is wide spread voter fraud going on.

For that to happen you would need a large goup of people, with an even larger list of registared voters who you know are nto going to show up at the polling stations. At most you maybe able to get a couple hundred votes that way. Even then it is likely that you will be caught.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, can't dismiss what's on the video, can ya ?

Nope. Didn't think so.

Eric Holder gets pwned, and so did you, apparently.

And because you can't deal w/ the simple, straight forward truth, you are compelled to dig up old quotes, taking them completely out of context, or making them up out thin air, as is if a single one of them has 1 damn thing to do w/ voter fraud and the absolute need to show some sort of ID when voting.

Crassic.

And Corrine Brown ? Wow, seriously ? Dude, you're completely grasping for straws here, and it shows.

What we have here is nothing less than a display of the scientific method.

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results



Showing that voter fraud is possible, and in light with all the cases of KNOWN voter fraud, it's hardly a stretch to claim that there's no way that voter fraud can't be wide spread. A simple rule of showing one's ID to the polling officials would greatly reduce such fraud. It's really just that simple.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal


" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein





Actually, the only thing the video proves is that O'Keefe is willing to actively participate in voter fraud.




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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:16 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


It is just so damn funny watching Rappy go into his Ostrich routine after getting refute-slammed yet again by Mikey.

I have started to picture Rap as the bad guy under the ghost costume at the end of the Scooby-Doo episode, shaking his fist, "I woulda gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that damned Kwicko!"

Seriously Rap. You post stuff from fringe BLOGS, who verofy nothing, and just spew, and complain about what people post from actual news sources? Biased or otherwise, a spot like the New Yorker actually does this crazy thing called verifying facts. I understand your lack of familiarity with the concept, as you have never done it, but it is the exact reason why what Kwicko has posted is valid, and what u have posted is a joke.

Do you not understand the concept that if O'Keefe had gone through with his voter fraud, and then Holder showed up himself, proved his ID, and voted, that the tally of votes would ultimately not be affected at all? Or is that too difficult for u to follow?

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:45 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ah, I forgot - only YOU are allowed to say which media sources are acceptable and which aren't.



CBS?

http://wusa9.com/news/article/201160/82/Attorney-General-Eric-Holder-s
ays-voter-fraud-will-not-be-tolerated


Not to say one way or another whether this is a big issue or not, but it did make the local news here last night.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:12 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


"In the District of Columbia, we are one of many states where you identify yourself to the poll worker and you give some information about yourself to the poll worker, your address, and you sign into that book and your signature serves as verification that you are who you say you are on election day," McLaughlin said.

So if OKeef signed the book as Holder that would be forgery. I will smile if he gets arrested again.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:50 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
"In the District of Columbia, we are one of many states where you identify yourself to the poll worker and you give some information about yourself to the poll worker, your address, and you sign into that book and your signature serves as verification that you are who you say you are on election day," McLaughlin said.

So if OKeef signed the book as Holder that would be forgery. I will smile if he gets arrested again.




Sorry.

"The impersonator never identifies himself as Holder, never signs the election book, and never casts a ballot, apparently avoiding criminal activity while demonstrating for the camera how easily fraud could be committed by someone willing to do those things."

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:33 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Okay Rappy, OKeef walked in, got a ballot by giving Holders namd and address and could have voted for him. So? Yes it is voter fraud, at the grand total of one vote. After having done that no one else could have used Holder's name to get a ballot. Plus if Holder did show up after the fact and was degined he could prove his identity, get OKeef's vote thrown out and cast his vote. If anything this shows how unrealistic it is to say there is wide spread voter fraud going on.

For that to happen you would need a large goup of people, with an even larger list of registared voters who you know are nto going to show up at the polling stations. At most you maybe able to get a couple hundred votes that way. Even then it is likely that you will be caught.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Oh, there you go applying logic. Careful, you'll hurt the RapTard.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:44 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Sorry.

"The impersonator never identifies himself as Holder, never signs the election book, and never casts a ballot, apparently avoiding criminal activity while demonstrating for the camera how easily fraud could be committed by someone willing to do those things."



Sorry I missed that. So it looks like he avoids breaking the law.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Sorry.

"The impersonator never identifies himself as Holder, never signs the election book, and never casts a ballot, apparently avoiding criminal activity while demonstrating for the camera how easily fraud could be committed by someone willing to do those things."



Sorry I missed that. So it looks like he avoids breaking the law.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.




So he also avoided committing actual voting fraud, too, right? He *could* have voted fraudulently (a felony for anyone who tries it), but he didn't.

Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy. Anyone with a gun could do it!

This is the logic applied here. Because someone COULD do this - and change one single vote, but only if they don't get caught - we have to work harder to disenfranchise people, lest someone try to vote for them when the right doesn't want them voting at all!




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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:45 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy. Anyone with a gun could do it!

This is the logic applied here. Because someone COULD do this - and change one single vote, but only if they don't get caught - we have to work harder to disenfranchise people, lest someone try to vote for them when the right doesn't want them voting at all!



Interesting that you apply the logic many liberals DO use relating to gun control - impose stricter requirements for owning guns and you'll reduce violence - to the argument that stricter requirements for voting reduce fraud.

Guess it just depends on who's ox is being gored.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Silly people, why bother even responding to this? It's been proven over and over and OVER that actual VOTER FRAUD is negligible in America. Voter REGISTRATION has been rampant from both parties, but actual FRAUD has resulted in very few convictions. Voter-SUPPRESSION, on the other hand, as resulted in millions of votes not being counted.
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Last November, there was a fairly competitive gubernatorial race in Maryland. Late on Election Day, robocalls targeted more than 100,000 Democratic households, telling voters to “relax” and not bother voting because Dems were going to win. It was one of the most blatant examples of GOP voter-suppression tactics in a long while.

Fortunately, those responsible got caught. Yesterday, a jury convicted the Republican ringleader.
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Paul E. Schurick, the 2010 campaign manager for former Maryland governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., was convicted Tuesday by a Baltimore jury of four counts stemming from a robocall that prosecutors said was intended to suppress the black vote.

Why even bother playing the game of debating actual voter fraud or playing "I am, but what are you?" games, when the historical FACTS and convictions for voter SUPPRESSION are the real issue?

The call, which Schurick acknowledged authorizing, was placed on Election Day to 112,000 voters in Baltimore and Prince George’s County, the state’s two largest majority-African American jurisdictions. Recipients were told by an unidentified woman that they could “relax” because Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) had been successful.

Fortunately, other members of the former Republican governor’s team will also stand trial for their role.

Obviously, there’s a problem when Republican officials believe the best way to win an election is to suppress political participation. But the larger issue here is that GOP officials keep pushing the “war on voting,” putting new hurdles between voters and the ballot box, ostensibly because they fear the scourge of fraud. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/conviction_i
n_gop_votersuppres033951.php
than playing into their spurious comments that voter fraud is "rampant" in this country (which the video certainly doesn't prove is "rampant"), pointing out how much voter-SUPPRESSION has been PROVEN and how many more lost votes it accounts for makes more sense. Voter suppression is all over the place; voter fraud is rare.
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The “Voter Protection Act” is the latest ploy from the Republican-controlled Missouri legislature to limit the voting rights of Missouri citizens. The legislature’s two previous attempts at voter suppression were stopped by the Missouri Supreme Court and a veto by Gov. Jay Nixon.

The Missouri legislature has claimed these laws are necessary to prevent voter fraud, even though Secretary of State Robin Carnahan has stated that for the past eight years Missouri has had no voter fraud convictions. Her statement is supported by an extensive study done by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University’s School of Law. Additionally, Missouri’s county clerks conduct continuous training for their bipartisan election judges to prevent voter fraud. Many county clerks throughout the state have procured the latest voting equipment that utilizes the latest technology designed to prevent voter fraud. http://www.news-leader.com/article/20120409/OPINIONS02/304090010/Misso
uri-Legislature-Republicans-voter-identification?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7COpinions%7Cp
old Heritage Foundation co-founder Paul Weyrich was at least up front about it:
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Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." Wikipedia
He was at least honest about it.

The number of "voter fraud" instances these laws are supposed to prevent are NOTHING compared to the number of people their voter-suppression techniques will keep from voting.
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More than 10 percent of U.S. citizens lack such identification, and the numbers are even higher among constituencies that traditionally lean Democratic - including 18 percent of young voters and 25 percent of African-Americans. http://action.democraticgovernors.org/page/s/stop-vote-suppression-out
brain
O'Keefe thing is a FUND-RAISING attempt, it asks for donations right there on the page, and I'm sure it works. But voter SUPPRESSION actuall IS rampant in this country, and these laws just make it worse.
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In 1870 Congress ratified the 15th Amendment to the Constitution which declared, “The right of citizen’s of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude...“

In response to this Amendment a number of former Confederate states employed devises such as the poll tax, literacy tests, the grandfather clause, and white primaries to ensure that African American’s were denied their constitutionally guaranteed right to vote. When these devices failed, tactics such as night rides, bombings, lynching, and other terrorist tactics were used to intimidate prospective African American voters.

After years of struggle in the courts, legislatures, and the streets, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibiting “covered jurisdictions” from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color." Some of the jurisdictions covered by the Act are in Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Today this ugly part of America’s past has once again become its present. As a result of Republican’s taking control of statehouses after the 2010 mid-term elections, a number of states such as Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, Mississippi (sound familiar) and others have enacted laws imposing new restrictions for voter ID, voter registration, and early voting.

For some reason the very people who claim they want to “take their country back”; want to “restore America to its original ideals”; and “protect liberty for all Americans” are working insidiously to deny the franchise to a significant number of American citizens, particularly younger and poorer citizens of color. Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID.

Based on the Brennan Center’s analysis of the 19 laws and two executive actions that passed in 14 states, it is clear that:

[] These new laws could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012.
[] The states that have already cut back on voting rights will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012 – 63 percent of the 270 needed to win the presidency.”

Republicans are using the pretext of “voter fraud” as the rational for their unconstitutional attack on democracy and specifically voters who are more inclined to vote for a Democrat. The actual fraud is not being perpetrated by the voter; it’s being perpetrated by the Republican elected officials who continue to tell this lie. According to the editorial, The Myth of Voter Fraud, “None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases.” http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8040/2012-03-21.html THOSE are some REAL numbers; when has "voter fraud" ever accounted for numbers like that? Never, of course.

And no, "Blackstarnews" isn't about blacks, it's an investigative newspaper. Dr. Wilmer Leon is a Teaching Associate in the Department of Political Science at Howard University in Washington, D.C.

As for Black Star News: In 1997, Milton Allimadi founded The Black Star News with his savings and those of then partners Ben Otunu and Mana Kasongo; he obtained financial support from Bill and Camille Cosby. Today, The Black Star News is a renowned investigative newspaper. Following its motto of "Speaking Truth to Empower," The Black Star News has scored several major news scoops which has garnered for it several awards from the Independent Press Association and national media coverage, including from CNN financial news, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, New York Press, The New York Daily News, The New York Post, The New York Observer, New York magazine, The Village Voice, The Washington Times, and Brill's Content Magazine. So diss Leon and where his article was published if you will, but you have to prove the article incorrect to have any relevance.

The plain fact is that there have been voter-suppression tactics used throughout our history, while actual voter FRAUD has been negligible. Numerous voter-suppression tactics have been widely used, and verifiably most often by Republicans to suppress the votes of minorities. This is just the latest in a long line of them.


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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy. Anyone with a gun could do it!

This is the logic applied here. Because someone COULD do this - and change one single vote, but only if they don't get caught - we have to work harder to disenfranchise people, lest someone try to vote for them when the right doesn't want them voting at all!



Interesting that you apply the logic many liberals DO use relating to gun control - impose stricter requirements for owning guns and you'll reduce violence - to the argument that stricter requirements for voting reduce fraud.

Guess it just depends on who's ox is being gored.




Yeah, and what's REALLY interesting is that I'm against it in both cases.

Too bad it seems you'll never be able to wrap your thick skull around that concept.

Here you are supporting much tighter qualifications for who is allowed to vote and who isn't, all while metaphorically claiming that you're strangling democracy because you love it so much.




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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I wasn't refuted by kwickies links. Not even close.

It wasn't O'keefe who did this, we're told. It was a 23 yr old white male. Holder is a 61(?) yr old black man.

BHM, O'Keefe's video speaks for itself . The villain under the cloak is Holder, getting pwned, if it's anyone. It clearly shows how easy it is to committ voter fraud , which Holder says can't happen.

The emperor is naked, & yet you continue to marvel @ his outfit & his very fine hat.



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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:07 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BLUEHANDEDMENACE:
It is just so damn funny watching Rappy go into his Ostrich routine after getting refute-slammed yet again by Mikey.

I have started to picture Rap as the bad guy under the ghost costume at the end of the Scooby-Doo episode, shaking his fist, "I woulda gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that damned Kwicko!"

Seriously Rap. You post stuff from fringe BLOGS, who verofy nothing, and just spew, and complain about what people post from actual news sources? Biased or otherwise, a spot like the New Yorker actually does this crazy thing called verifying facts. I understand your lack of familiarity with the concept, as you have never done it, but it is the exact reason why what Kwicko has posted is valid, and what u have posted is a joke.

Do you not understand the concept that if O'Keefe had gone through with his voter fraud, and then Holder showed up himself, proved his ID, and voted, that the tally of votes would ultimately not be affected at all? Or is that too difficult for u to follow?



See, so much common sense, Rappy wasn't even capable of looking at it.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:32 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
I wasn't refuted by kwickies links. Not even close.

It wasn't O'keefe who did this, we're told. It was a 23 yr old white male. Holder is a 61(?) yr old black man.

BHM, O'Keefe's video speaks for itself . The villain under the cloak is Holder, getting pwned, if it's anyone. It clearly shows how easy it is to committ voter fraud , which Holder says can't happen.



It's can't in any meaningful way, which have been pointed out to you.

Explain how you are going to be able to use this weakness to influence an election in any meaningful way, lets say 500 votes.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Explain how you are going to be able to use this weakness to influence an election in any meaningful way, lets say 500 votes.
There's the pertinent point. How does ANY amount of individual fraud influence any election as much as wide-ranging voter suppression? The entire point this thread tries to make is irrelevant; one instance of pretend fraud doesn't even COUNT--even if it indicates more--when compared with what voter suppression has been doing for decades!

Actual voter fraud is negligible
Actual voter fraud is negligible
Actual voter fraud is negligible
Actual voter fraud is negligible
Actual voter fraud is negligible
Actual voter fraud is negligible
Actual voter fraud is negligible
Actual voter fraud is negligible

Maybe repeated enough, it will get through. No, I know it won't, which is funnier than hell sometimes, especially in this thread. Show some STATISTICS of Presidential voter election fraud, then we might...might...pay attention. You still can't show any statistics that come CLOSE to proven voter suppression. But go right ahead, keep trying. It keeps you busy, if nothing else.



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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Niki

For you, I understand that repeating a lie often enough, makes it believable.

But for me? Not so much.



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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:40 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Niki

For you, I understand that repeating a lie often enough, makes it believable.

But for me? Not so much.





Again with the ironic funny overload.


Give it a rest, Rappy. My sides are aching from the laughter.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
I wasn't refuted by kwickies links. Not even close.

It wasn't O'keefe who did this, we're told. It was a 23 yr old white male. Holder is a 61(?) yr old black man.



So what does a photo ID law do that a fake ID can't bypass? I mean, if the guy at the polling station didn't realize that this wasn't Eric Holder, then was he supposed to rely on some description the he'd have readily available that would tell him exactly what Eric Holder looks like? Or are you saying that it's impossible to make a photo ID with your picture on it over someone else's name?


Quote:


BHM, O'Keefe's video speaks for itself . The villain under the cloak is Holder, getting pwned, if it's anyone. It clearly shows how easy it is to committ voter fraud , which Holder says can't happen.



Can you provide any cites to back your claim that Holder says voter fraud "CAN'T HAPPEN"? You mistake "isn't happening on a widespread basis" with "can't possibly happen"; that's a problem when you live in only a black and white world.





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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Niki

For you, I understand that repeating a lie often enough, makes it believable.

But for me? Not so much.





Again with the ironic funny overload.


Give it a rest, Rappy. My sides are aching from the laughter.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"




More of Rappy's ironic overload - these are things and positions he's actually held:



"Mission Accomplished!"

"WMD!"

"We'll be greeted as liberators!"

"The economy is on fire!"

"95% of Americans pay no taxes!"

"Rush is completely right, and any woman who wants to be responsible about practicing safe sex is a whore and a slut!"

"Corrine Brown said Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog!"

"Nobody edited the ACORN or Shirley Sherrod tapes!"


Repeat as necessary, Rappy.




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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:05 PM

STORYMARK


I am literally amazed at the level of cognitive dissonance that the poor boy delves into. Its like an inpenetrable barrier of talk radio soundbites and bumper sticker logic. I hoinestly wonder sometimes if he really believes all the bullshit he spouts.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:47 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Here you are supporting much tighter qualifications for who is allowed to vote and who isn't, all while metaphorically claiming that you're strangling democracy because you love it so much.



Now where in this thread have I done this?

I posted a link to a local story about the Holder voter fraud story.

I posted a followup to correct Nickerson's misapprehension.

I noted that you are applying the "we need to regulate this" philosophy to two situations supported by two sides of the political spectrum, and that such application seems to depend on who's injured by the issue.

If you want to jump to unsupported conclusions, I can't stop you, but be aware that's what you're doing.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Here you are supporting much tighter qualifications for who is allowed to vote and who isn't, all while metaphorically claiming that you're strangling democracy because you love it so much.



Now where in this thread have I done this?



Not in this thread, but in general you've been in favor of such laws.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51324


Quote:


I posted a link to a local story about the Holder voter fraud story.

I posted a followup to correct Nickerson's misapprehension.

I noted that you are applying the "we need to regulate this" philosophy to two situations supported by two sides of the political spectrum, and that such application seems to depend on who's injured by the issue.



Did I? Am I really applying "we need to regulate this" to guns? Or is that you jumping to unsupported conclusions? (Not that it would be the first time you've done so, of course.)






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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:34 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Off topic, but has anyone else noticed that all three of Quicko's closing quotes are by, or about Raptor?
:)

Geezer, Quicko has always seemed to be pretty pro gun rights to me, I know he likes using his guns for target shooting regularly etc.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:46 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Niki

For you, I understand that repeating a lie often enough, makes it believable.

But for me? Not so much.



Than prove it you moron!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hmmm... I know the earth is round. I know that a belief is not provable. I know that man-made global warming is real, and it is happening now. I know you can't make an economy work by giving all the rich people more money. I know that rappy can't think his way out of a paper bag.

All true. What's the problem?


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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:15 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Off topic, but has anyone else noticed that all three of Quicko's closing quotes are by, or about Raptor?
:)


Which I link, IMHO, to Kwicko's low self esteem.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:37 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Or sarcasm. Or amusement. People have used all kinds of things for their sigs...some have been rather ugly quotes from other board members. They change fairly regularly. As I recall, at one time someone was using some of the uglier writings of Kane (I remembered his name! Well, I didn't actually remember it, I had it on an old Word document)--it was quite lengthy and got irritating to scroll past. His current one just means Mike is enjoying pointing out some of Raptor's recent idiocy, he'll be onto something else before long.

The one that always makes me shake my head is Hero...his posts of people agreeing with him or praising him are all dated and from the past, which actually makes it look like those are the ONLY such instances, and that he's desperate to show SOMEONE agreed with him SOMEWHERE along the line. I don't think that's what he intends it to indicate, tho'. ;o)

We all change our sigs from time to time...it's always nicer, as far as I'm concerned, if sigs are in color or are a link, so I don't get them confused with part of the post. But that's just me.



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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Off topic, but has anyone else noticed that all three of Quicko's closing quotes are by, or about Raptor?
:)


Which I link, IMHO, to Kwicko's low self esteem.




Actually, it's a snark at Rappy and "Hero" and their habit of taking quotes from others and using them, completely out of context, as their own signature.

Or were you trying to say Rappy and "Hero" have low self-esteem?




And yes, Riona, they are all either quotes by Rappy or references to things he's said. Like Anthony, I thought it would be good to remind everyone exactly who this person is and the positions he takes. The apology one was just for fun, though, because Rappy finally apologized to me for some of the lies I called him out on.

But stay tuned; the sig lines can change at a moment's notice.



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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:46 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


When I make observations like that it is generally not for any purpose other than musing and pointing out something I find humorous, interesting, or just worthy of note either way, without any judgement as to why. Just for fun. Raptor does that same thing now that Hero does, he has a quote about someone agreeing with him.

I think it might be funny to use nasty quotes about myself for tag lines, just to be contrarian.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

The one that always makes me shake my head is Hero...his posts of people agreeing with him or praising him are all dated and from the past, which actually makes it look like those are the ONLY such instances, and that he's desperate to show SOMEONE agreed with him SOMEWHERE along the line. I don't think that's what he intends it to indicate, tho'. ;o)




I've got a great old one from "Hero" that shows his idiocy in full view for all, in more ways than one. I may have to bring it back just for his dubious benefit.

Quote:

I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision. - "Hero", RWED, Monday, March 03, 2008 8:06 AM





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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:46 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, it's a snark at Rappy and "Hero" and their habit of taking quotes from others and using them, completely out of context, as their own signature.


Actually, the practice was started by Signy and/or Rue if I am not mistaken. And it has, much to my dismay, continued to flourish. It is nothing more than childish marginalization no matter how you might spin it.
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Or were you trying to say Rappy and "Hero" have low self-esteem?


I thought I made it quite clear who I postulated had low self esteem. Please refrain from your usual diversionary debate tactics.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, it's a snark at Rappy and "Hero" and their habit of taking quotes from others and using them, completely out of context, as their own signature.


Actually, the practice was started by Signy and/or Rue if I am not mistaken. And it has, much to my dismay, continued to flourish. It is nothing more than childish marginalization no matter how you might spin it.
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Or were you trying to say Rappy and "Hero" have low self-esteem?


I thought I made it quite clear who I postulated had low self esteem. Please refrain from your usual diversionary debate tactics.




Gorsh, I didn't realize you were incapable of debate. I'll not forget it again.

So if I satirize someone's sig style, that's evidence that *I* have self-esteem issues. But if they post out-of-context things that seem to flatter them, that's evidence (in your eyes, at least) that they have no self-esteem issues at all.

Is that what you're saying?

And speaking of marginalizing, aren't you the guy who once said that the only reason you were arguing with me at all was because I "rubbed you the wrong way"?

I guess it's different when you do it.




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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:19 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So if I satirize someone's sig style, that's evidence that *I* have self-esteem issues.


So which is it now? Do you do it for satirical reasons or is it because you want to remind people of the kind of person they are dealing with?
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And speaking of marginalizing, aren't you the guy who once said that the only reason you were arguing with me at all was because I "rubbed you the wrong way"?

I guess it's different when you do it.


I think you need to look up what marginalizing means.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:19 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not in this thread, but in general you've been in favor of such laws.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51324



Link doesn't work. Maybe just give the thread title.


Quote:




Did I? Am I really applying "we need to regulate this" to guns?



"Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy."

I'd think "outlaw" would fall under the meaning of "regulate". So looks kind'a like it.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:


"Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy."

I'd think "outlaw" would fall under the meaning of "regulate". So looks kind'a like it.




Ah. I didn't realize you can't comprehend sarcasm.

I was framing the O'Keefe/conservative argument in terms of the gun issue. O'Keefe and the right seem to believe that if vote fraud is POSSIBLE, then it's clearly out of control and needs to be reined in. I was just wondering how they'd feel if the same argument were applied to their beloved guns.

And, because you seem to be unable to read or comprehend, you may have missed where I said I'd be against such laws in both cases.

It seems I'm a better conservative/libertarian than some of the self-proclaimed ones on this board, because I believe "small government" actually means smaller, less intrusive government. The right-wingers here seem to want a government so small it can easily fit into every woman's uterus, or a voting booth, or anyone's bedroom (except theirs, of course).




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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:01 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ah. I didn't realize you can't comprehend sarcasm.



Mike, I consider everything you post to be sarcasm.

However, you did apply "we need to regulate" to guns, whether sarcasticly or not.

And being caught, you start with the personal insults.

Think I've seen this movie before.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:05 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

And being caught, you start with the personal insults.



Of course, you've shown us that the better option, when caught, is to pretend the thread never existed in the first place. :p

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:06 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Please refrain from your usual diversionary debate tactics.



Drawing direct logical parallels from your own words is a diversion? Waaaaah.

Myabe you just should learn to write.

But that won't happen.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ah. I didn't realize you can't comprehend sarcasm.



Mike, I consider everything you post to be sarcasm.

However, you did apply "we need to regulate" to guns, whether sarcasticly or not.

And being caught, you start with the personal insults.

Think I've seen this movie before.




Wait a sec - was THAT why you repeatedly called me a "sick fuck"? Because you got "caught"?

If you've seen that movie, it's because you were starring in it.

Big of you to finally admit it. It only took you several months. Maybe an apology is coming my way. Heck, maybe it's my week. Rappy apologized, and now Geezer might be in line to do the same!

I won't hold my breath, though.




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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

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