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Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:19 AM

WHOZIT



http://myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmer
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But the fact still remains, the victim was worried about being followed by Zimmerman and was unarmed. Maybe he thought Zimmerman was a mugger and was defending himself by what he thought was a mugging?


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Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



My far away view of this ? Zimmerman was playing billy bad ass night patrol. Saw Martin, didn't like how he ' looked ', and started to follow him. Words were exchanged, things got physical,and Zimmerman ended up on the ground , getting his butt whooped by a skinny black guy.

Then he murdered Trayvon, not out of self defense, but out of embarrassment.


I've not studied the time line, and likely am missing some key points, but that's my thumbnail sketch of the situation.

Am I wrong ? Fill me in. I'll hang up and listen.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree with the first part, but if you listen to the tape, one or the other is crying help for quite a long time. I don't think it would be Zimmerman--he had the gun, why would he be crying for help? Given his past of agreesiveness, the fact that Trayvon had NO incidents of violence in his past, that Zimmerman had told people to be on the lookout for Black guys, and that Zimmerman was almost a hundred pounds heavier (and no doubt had previous experience fighting, so was in shape), my money is on Zimmerman being the aggressor.

Nobody has yet said if there were any grass stains on Trayvon or any cuts or bruises. My question is: Given all the national attention paid to this, why did a witness come forward to say Trayvon was the aggressor earlier than this?? The witness doesn't want to be identified, which is understandable, neither did Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone.

I'm afraid as far as I'm concerned, Zimmerman was the aggressor from start to finish; if Trayvon hit him, wasn't he acting under the "stand your ground" law anyway? He was obviously threatened, and that's what the law says...


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Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


A cop, a security officer approaches you, it sometimes can be seen as intimidating. To anyone, not just black folk. Add that it's just the two of them, and Zimmerman is a bit larger (yes?), and coming at / after The kid... Easy to see how he'd feel threatened.

Don't know how it went down, but witnesses add more to the story & audio. If that was Zimmerman calling for help, likely he was getting a beat down, as the witnesses said. Or, could be that's not how things went down. Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, Zimmerman has 90 pounds on Trayvon. I interpreted the elongated period of hollering for help as just what you suggested:
Quote:

Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...
Did you listen to the two audios I put up in the "Racism is dead" thread? That might help you figure it out, it's kind of what helped me form my opinion. I just don't see anyone hollering "help" for that LONG if they're engaged in a fist fight...

To the best of my knowledge, Zimmerman wasn't dressed as any sort of authority figure. The police said at one point he was on a personal errand, and nobody's said whether he wears any kind of uniform when he's doing neighborhood watch. So I'm GUESSING he appeared as just a big, burly guy accosting Trayvon.

I'd STILL like to know two things I can't find anywhere:

--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?

--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?



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Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:56 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Yes, Zimmerman has 90 pounds on Trayvon. I interpreted the elongated period of hollering for help as just what you suggested:
Quote:

Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...
Did you listen to the two audios I put up in the "Racism is dead" thread? That might help you figure it out, it's kind of what helped me form my opinion. I just don't see anyone hollering "help" for that LONG if they're engaged in a fist fight...

To the best of my knowledge, Zimmerman wasn't dressed as any sort of authority figure. The police said at one point he was on a personal errand, and nobody's said whether he wears any kind of uniform when he's doing neighborhood watch. So I'm GUESSING he appeared as just a big, burly guy accosting Trayvon.

I'd STILL like to know two things I can't find anywhere:

--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?

--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?





The "Stand your ground law" is the liberals way of dragging Jeb Bush (a Republican) into the story, I'm sure MSNBC is all over that...it's what they do.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


So NOW I hear the police chief has released a statement saying they didn't arrest Zimmerman because he claimed he had lost track of Trayvon and was "returning to his truck" when Trayvon jumped him. ?!?!?

First off, why didn't this come out before?

Second, this directly contradicts the girlfriend's testimony about being on the phone with Trayvon and hearing him ask "Why are you following me" and Zimmerman saying "What are you doing here?" So who's telling the truth? The logs show she WAS on a call to him just before he was shot, so...?

Third, what 17-year old, walking in the dark with Skittles and an ice tea, jumps a guy almost 100 pounds heavier than him?

Where were the skittles and ice tea found? If they were right there where Trayvon was shot, that's one thing which would indicate to me he wasn't out to jump anyone. If they were further away, like behind a bush or something, it would seem otherwise.

And again, WHY has nobody said anything about the state of Trayvon and his clothes, as to whether there's grass stain or any injuries??

More and more it's looking to me like Zimmerman and police are trying to pad the "facts"--there have been many deaths because of this "stand your ground" law since it went into effect both in Florida and other states...any possibility people like Zimmerman have become pretty complacent that it lets them get away with whatever they want? And this one blowing up in their faces has left them caught red-handed and trying to justify what happened?

I just don't buy this stuff coming out at this late date--even the girlfriend's testimony came out a bit late for my liking, tho' they said she was hospitalized after it happened for shock, so who knows?

Curiouser and curiouser...

(Oh, and by the way, there is at least one other witness who saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon, so are their memories clouded by their perspective, was one or the other mistaken, or what?)

ETA: Just FYI, I just saw a clip on TV of Jeb Bush saying he still backs the law, but that "this situation does not apply" because Zimmerman followed Trayvon. So we're going after Jeb Bush, eh? I see...

Further, MSNBC doesn't do politics or news (except very early in the morning) on weekends, so they can't get "all over it" until Monday--thus far, I haven't esen much mention of Jeb Bush on MSNBC, only that he and other governors signed the bills into law when they came around.

I also BELIEVER I heard that Jan Whatsername VETOED the "stand your ground" law when it came her way--aren't we supposed to hate her, too?

But go right ahead, keep trying...


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Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:25 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
A cop, a security officer approaches you, it sometimes can be seen as intimidating. To anyone, not just black folk.


This is why....

I DO wear a uniform, and in a more neutral, non-aggressive pattern and color, and make sure it looks professional - as an actual security officer you have no authority beyond what people give you voluntarily and that depends a lot on your appearance and demeanor, initially.

I do NOT (which I suspect Zimmerman did) get into peoples personal space, if I must confront or speak to someone I stop eight to twelve feet away with a friendly expression and polite greeting - this also protects ME cause if someone has to take a couple steps to get close enough to swing on you they have to think about it, good move in dealing with folk who may have poor impulse control.

AND I *deliberately* come off as a slacker hillbilly passing the time - or try to, for some reason this is wholly unconvincing to the people who live here no matter how true it is.

But rolling up on someone, getting in their personal space without properly identifying yourself or your intentions, physically crowding them - that's some seriously threatening conduct, and I would right then-and-there FIRE any of mine who did such a thing.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:40 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?

Actually, quite a few people are, both on this site (my first post on the other thread was about exactly this, and other posters have brought it up) and there have been articles about it. Sorry, I don't recall where I read them, but they are certainly out there.

Quote:

--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?
This is certainly missing information that's pretty damned important. I assume the Feds who've come into this are looking real hard at the autopsy report.

Raptor - I believe what you posted above was exactly Frem's take on the situation. Wow - you two agree!



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Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx, Mal4, I'll look for it. I'm glad it's getting SOME attention, I thought it was so weird. The "stand your ground" thing applies BEST to Trayvon, since he wasn't doing anything and it was Zimmerman who accosted HIM...but nobody seemed to be paying attention to that!

(raise hand) I mostly agreed with Raptor too, hey, hey! ;o)



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Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Yes, Zimmerman has 90 pounds on Trayvon. I interpreted the elongated period of hollering for help as just what you suggested:
Quote:

Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...
Did you listen to the two audios I put up in the "Racism is dead" thread? That might help you figure it out, it's kind of what helped me form my opinion. I just don't see anyone hollering "help" for that LONG if they're engaged in a fist fight...



I ran the 1st clip a couple of times. I wasn't even aware of what I was listening for until midway through... I then gave it 2nd listen. For the 911 call by the lady who heard the shouting...I only gave that a once through. I've seen fist fights last for long periods of time, where guys get up, move around, scrap, get into it, get up.... so the length of time for that isn't conclusive. Plus, I don't know what either individual sounds like, but I'm guessing those who know will be able to ID whose voice that is on the audio. I still am leaning toward my initial impression, that Z was holding the gun on Trayvon, and taunting him. Until more comes out, that's how I see it.

Quote:



To the best of my knowledge, Zimmerman wasn't dressed as any sort of authority figure. The police said at one point he was on a personal errand, and nobody's said whether he wears any kind of uniform when he's doing neighborhood watch. So I'm GUESSING he appeared as just a big, burly guy accosting Trayvon.

I'd STILL like to know two things I can't find anywhere:

--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?

--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?



This whole case has been hinky from the very start.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:16 PM

OONJERAH



I think by now, about 97% of people who paid attention
find Zimmerman the aggressor ... and said so.

Zimmerman invaded Martin's ground. Simple to me.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:19 PM

MAL4PREZ


Niki, I've avoided all the clips related to this because I know they'll just really upset and anger me, but I listened to the clips with the alleged slur. I don't know. His voice sounds electronic, like it was spliced in there. Doesn't sound like a person talking. I'd have to listen to the whole call.

I think it doesn't really matter if the slur is there or not. The evidence I've seen suggests that the guy hunted and killed an innocent kid. I imagine that with all the evidence available, and with the Feds involved, Zimmerman will pay for what he did.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:12 PM

OONJERAH



Is this a Bad Idea or what?

"Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin homicide"
http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/03/black-panth
ers-offer-10000-bounty-for-capture-of-george-zimmerman-the-florida-killer
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blog by Dennis Byrne

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:12 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Is this a Bad Idea or what?

"Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin homicide"
http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/03/black-panth
ers-offer-10000-bounty-for-capture-of-george-zimmerman-the-florida-killer
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blog by Dennis Byrne



Hello,

This is a terrible idea.

--Anthony


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Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:14 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Zimmerman is pretty obviously the instigator of the confrontation, but I expect there's stuff we haven't heard yet.

It does seem kind'a disproportionate that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting, as tragic as it was, and so little over the young black men getting killed every week by other young black men for pretty much nothing but a perceived slight or a pair of shoes. I wish someone would put the same effort into doing something about that.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting ..."

The outrage is about the fact that it didn't even get an investigation. The outrage is about the police department giving a white man a pass for killing a black boy.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:51 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
It does seem kind'a disproportionate that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting, as tragic as it was, and so little over the young black men getting killed every week by other young black men for pretty much nothing but a perceived slight or a pair of shoes. I wish someone would put the same effort into doing something about that.


People do, you just don't hear about it so much, a lot of what Augustus, Jackrabbit, Divine and Malek *DO* relates to that, but it does become especially difficult when the folk who SHOULD be ones allies in such a situation, that being official law enforcement, are often as just as predatory or even more so, and you wind up spending more time trying to protect the neighborhoods from the predation and provocations of their so-called protectors that trying to get them to stop shooting each OTHER winds up at a lower priority - and the stress grinds people up.

Other than Roy and Krings, the officers of both counties seem hell bent on waging war on "competition" like contract security or neighborhood watch of the actual respectable type, than they do working with us, so there's that problem to deal with first and foremost - thankfully Roy and Krings are focusing on the neighborhood across the street from here, and while I cannot offer any official support since it's out of my on-the-job "jurisdiction", on a personal level I'll back them all the way cause they're doing the job right, connecting with the community and working WITH them, instead of the usual war-mindset...

Something that, mind you, was greatly influenced by budget cuts thus depriving them OF those damn war-toys, cause when you've got a big hammer, every problem starts lookin like a nail.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:56 PM

OONJERAH



News say the "New Black Panthers," & they are in Sanford FL showing a bit of ire.
Patience is needed. Not a good time for disturbance. The protest has gone well so far.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Is this a Bad Idea or what?

"Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin homicide"
http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/03/black-panth
ers-offer-10000-bounty-for-capture-of-george-zimmerman-the-florida-killer
/
blog by Dennis Byrne




Bad idea. Very bad. They're acting like pretty much what they accuse Zimmerman of acting like: vigilantes, hell bent on "street justice". I foresee no good outcome to this plan of action, and while I can appreciate their frustration, I cannot condone this kind of action.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I also think it's a very bad idea. What I've read about them is that they seem to be more interested in grabbing headlines than changing minds. The one mitigating aspect of their statement is that they want to turn Zimmerman in to Federal authorities.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:04 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting ..."

The outrage is about the fact that it didn't even get an investigation. The outrage is about the police department giving a white man a pass for killing a black boy.



But some black people give the black kids who kill other black kids a pass as well.

Check out the various "Stop Snitchin'" and "No Snitch" campaigns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27

http://nosnitches.com/

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 3:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting ..."

The outrage is about the fact that it didn't even get an investigation. The outrage is about the police department giving a white man a pass for killing a black boy.



But some black people give the black kids who kill other black kids a pass as well.

Check out the various "Stop Snitchin'" and "No Snitch" campaigns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27

http://nosnitches.com/



Which goes to show that it's learned culture, and not 'race' or skin color, that is causing so much of the problems here.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's a HIDEOUS idea! Just imagine the myriad ways that Black Panther thing could make it worse boggles the mind.

I think this is getting attention because it's kind of, one thing builds on another and somewhere there's a tipping point. This may be it. I hope not. I hope something comes out that gets Zimmerman prosecuted; otherwise it's heaping more on the fire.

Dunno if my post disappeared, but last night apparently the police chief said Zimmerman told them at the time that he had lost sight of Trayvon, was headed back to his truck, when Trayvon jumped him. I find this both incredibly hard to believe, and am very suspicious of it only coming out NOW, a month after the incident and a long time after the nation has been paying attention.

As to the first tape, Zimmerman was whispering, which I thought was why it sounded like it did. I think there's enough hinky stuff in this whole thing that it doesn't matter one way or another; and it certainly won't be considered "evidence" anyway.

Whole things sucks. I hope they sort it out before things get worse. I think Zimmerman belongs in jail; any way you look at it, he instigated the situation, and, sorry to prejudge, but from what I hear this has been going on for a long time now, many deaths have resulted, and I believe people like Zimmerman have come to believe they can get away with anything they want. I think someone finally thought he could get away with it and it blew up in his face, and brought national attention. Now the nation has to deal with the consequences, 'cuz nobody can close their eyes anymore.



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Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:47 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
But some black people give the black kids who kill other black kids a pass as well.

Check out the various "Stop Snitchin'" and "No Snitch" campaigns.


Well, a great part of that is because of the police being effectively one more street gang and another set of predators instead of protectors.

Sure, while there's an institutional level of corruption within ghetto culture and community, folks tend to forget there is an equal if not greater level of the same amongst the so-called protectors, and this causes a crapload of needless problems.

So to THEM, it's more like a Crip ratting out his buddies to the Bloods, cause the police are seen as just another faction rather than honest neutrals, which for the most part they ain't - if you ain't watched The Wire, you really ought to.
I didn't just watch it, I had to LIVE it, being in that area during some of the events that show is based on - when you got no honest brokers on the scene, you gotta play the game whether you want to or not, just to survive.

Around here though...
Nobody much cares if you deal, or steal - but you start capping rounds you'll piss EVERYONE off, and they *will* roll your ass, no one likes the idea of bullets whizzing through the neighborhood, although if you handle it phsyically so long as one is discreet and there was some cause any backlash will be limited to their allies and friends.

Not to mention how it works with this place - sure, we're across the street from a rough place, but stepping on this turf is gonna start something with me, and harming me in any way will then lead to the ENTIRE neighborhood down on them, plus all the folk who prefer the devil they know since so long as you keep your troubles off the property I care nothin about em, so it's just not worth it for the pitiful take you'd wind up with regardless.

Beyond all that, there's the waste of resources on petty ante bullshit, AND the very real possibility that the cops will take their frustrations out on the one who called em instead of doing anything about it, so generally no one is going to take that risk unless the crime in question is worth it, which it mostly ain't - unless you go spraying lead, in which case the 911 switchboard is gonna light up like a damn xmas tree cause NO one likes that.

It's a rough form of detente and diplomacy, but it is there, never think it ain't.


As for outrages, this one landed on my desk this morning, and there's all kind of major suck to it.
El Cajon woman dies after beating earlier in week
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/mar/24/el-cajon-woman-dies-after-b
eating-earlier-week
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Quote:

EL CAJON — An Iraqi immigrant and mother of five died Saturday of injuries from a severe beating in her El Cajon home, where a note warning the family to “go back to your own country” was left next to her.
El Cajon police said they are investigating the possibility of a hate crime.


Intolerance is a special kind of stupid, it really is.


-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, March 26, 2012 5:32 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Thanx, Mal4, I'll look for it. I'm glad it's getting SOME attention, I thought it was so weird. The "stand your ground" thing applies BEST to Trayvon, since he wasn't doing anything and it was Zimmerman who accosted HIM...but nobody seemed to be paying attention to that!

(raise hand) I mostly agreed with Raptor too, hey, hey! ;o)





Actually it would not apply until until you are attacked. Just felling threatened is not enough according to the law. That being said Martin's conversation with his girlfriend seems to indicate that Zimmerman did physically engage Martin first. Which also means Zimmerman's actions do not meet the standard of the law to claim self-defense.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, March 26, 2012 7:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


When blacks write the laws, run the justice system, and make up the law enforcement, then casually dismiss the stalking and murder of a young white man at the hands of a black man - you will see me just as outraged, just as furious. It's not about giving a pass to blacks, it's about holding police accountable to treat all people as equal under the law.

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Monday, March 26, 2012 7:05 PM

OONJERAH


..
. . .
Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head =>
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-
zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager

..
. . .
"With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the
Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed
the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George
Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him
bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the
Orlando Sentinel.

"Police have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence."

Oonj: I am well aware that Trayvon's gf overheard something quite different.

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Monday, March 26, 2012 7:29 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

But some black people give the black kids who kill other black kids a pass as well.

Check out the various "Stop Snitchin'" and "No Snitch" campaigns.



This is why the homicide rate is so high among many young African Americans. They refuse to "snitch" preferring to handle things "street justice" style. In other words, one murder equals a retaliatory murder. Eye for an eye so to speak. It has gotten to a fever pitch around here, damn near Detorit levels.

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Monday, March 26, 2012 11:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
..
. . .
Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head =>
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-
zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager

..
. . .
"With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the
Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed
the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George
Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him
bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the
Orlando Sentinel.

"Police have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence."

Oonj: I am well aware that Trayvon's gf overheard something quite different.



How would Trayvon's gf have overheard something different, when one of the 2 who were there is saying he was jumped ?

Just askin', is all.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:32 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


What with all the protests, demonstrations, news coverage, celebrity comments, and general heightened emotions, it's gonna be really difficult to seat an unbiased grand jury on this case.

I'm also seeing it as difficult for the Justice Department to make this a hate crime. Bad judgement, stereotyping and cop wannabe, sure. But when Zimmerman's Black friend is saying (at some risk to himself)that Zimmerman cried about the shooting for days, I'm not seeing the "lynching" some folks are claiming.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:30 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

To invoke a Wulfism which, ironically, he may never understand...

"It's a hell of a thing killing a man..."

Not as much fun as playing Rambo in your head.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA

---------------------------------------------

" If I had a son, he'd look like him. " - Barack Obama

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And Anthony? Stop lying about what I think. TIA.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:14 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Obama is a pathetic race baiter just like the vile and oft-disgraced race-opportunists Sharpton and Jackson. Funny how the President, once a notable Chicago organizer of sorts, never had a word to say about the 42 BLACK people shot in Chicago's Southside over a recent holiday weekend, including a six-year old girl who died from a drug driveby shooting. I guess Obama didn't think that little dead girl looked like his daughter. In their sick world, black on black crime is to either be ignored or accepted. Only whiteish skin is cause for alarm.










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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Hope this is a sad, twisted rumor , but I'm hearing the Obama camp is actually selling hoodies with " 2012 " on them.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"How would Trayvon's gf have overheard something different, when one of the 2 who were there is saying he was jumped ?" Obviously, the point about the phone call is, the girlfriend said one thing, Zimmerman (who is the only "one of the 2) left to say what happened) said another. He said/she said. The fact that the phone logs show she WAS on the phone at that time ("The unarmed teenager carried Skittles and iced tea, and was talking to his girlfriend on the phone, records show." ( http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-tr
ayvon.html
) kinda shades who I'll believe at this point, but there's no proof either way of what was said on that phone call.

It's weird to me that I heard, and others here did, two bangs on the tape of the 911 call, but police claim only one: "Two loud bangs can be heard on one 911 call, and family attorneys said last week that that was evidence of two shots, but several witnesses who've spoken publicly about what they heard all describe a single shot." ( http://www.adn.com/2012/03/24/2388488/myths-half-truths-about-the-tray
von.html
)

I heard last night that Zimmerman was following Martin around not wearing any uniform and WITH HIS GUN IN A HOLSTER ON HIS BELT. Boy, that would scare the PANTS off me in the middle of the night: A burly guy with a hostered gun (supposedly, we don't even know it was holstered, we just know he had a holster) follows me in the dark, first by car then by foot, and demands to know what I'm doing there. Wow.

And yeah, NOW they're claiming he was headed back to his car, having lost Trayvon. Why weren't they saying this from the first? There's evidence he followed the kid, and the dispatcher told him not to, but we can't know whether he was returning to his car or not, except by his say-so.

The Miami Herald sure has made up their mind, they "leaked" the following to the news. Question: What is the reason behind police department "leaking" information, rather than saying it directly? Fifty points for the person who guesses correctly.

Personally, I don't think we're ever going to know the truth. The MSM is so busy "reporting" one side or the other's "information", and coloring it either pro-Zimmerman or pro-Martin, it's a total mess. Here's one colored one way:
Quote:

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, then climbed on top of him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times before Zimmerman shot the unarmed 17-year-old to death, the Orlando Sentinel reported on Monday.

The Sentinel, citing unidentified authorities, said that is the account Zimmerman gave to police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened, but on that night, Feb. 26, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says happened.

According to his version of events, the Sentinel said, he had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Martin approached him from behind, the two exchanged words and then Martin punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him. Zimmerman, 28, told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.

Zimmerman's account became public on the same day the Miami Herald reported that when Martin was shot to death in February, he had been suspended from school for having marijuana residue in his book bag.

According to the Sentinel, here is what police disclosed to the newspaper:

Zimmerman was on his way to a grocery store when he saw Martin walking through his gated community.

Martin was visiting his father's fiancee, who lived there. Zimmerman called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Martin as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Martin on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman whether he was following the teenager, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

Zimmerman told them he had lost sight of Martin and was walking back to his SUV when Martin approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words. Martin asked Zimmerman whether he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.

Martin then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.

Zimmerman fell, and Martin got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, Zimmerman told police. Zimmerman began yelling for help.

Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about from whom they came: Zimmerman or Martin.

Attorneys for Martin's family say Martin was the one yelling, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman. One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Martin on top, pounding him, and the witness was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Zimmerman then shot Martin once in the chest from very close range, authorities said, according to the Sentinel.

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody cuts on the back of his head. Paramedics gave him first aid, but he said no to going to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.

Martin's troubles at school

The Miami Herald reported Monday that Trayvon Martin had been suspended three times.

The Herald said it had obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police report showing that on Oct. 21, staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Martin and two other students writing "W.T.F.," an acronym for "what the f---," on a hallway locker. A security employee who knew Martin confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.

According to the Herald, the police report said that Martin's backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, which was described as a burglary tool in the report.

Martin was asked whether the jewelry, which was mostly women's rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend. "Martin replied, 'It's not mine. A friend gave it to me,' " the Herald quoted the report as saying. Martin declined to name the friend.

School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation. "Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti," according to the report prepared by the Miami-Dade Schools Police.

That suspension was followed by one in February after in incident in which Martin was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy's family's attorney confirmed. The Herald said it had obtained a school police report that specified two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a "marijuana pipe."

That suspension was the third for the teen. On Monday, the family also acknowledged that Martin had earlier been suspended for tardiness and truancy.

Reacting to the new school police report, Ben Crump, an attorney for the parents, said they "never heard anything like this about a bag of jewelry. … And anyway, it's completely irrelevant to what happened Feb. 26. They never heard this and don't believe it's true. If it were true, why wouldn't they call the parents? Why wasn't he arrested?

"We think everybody is trying to demonize him."

Martin had never been arrested, he said. The state Department of Juvenile Justice confirmed Monday that Martin does not have a juvenile offender record. The information came after a public records request by the Associated Press. http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/police-leak-details-of
-george-zimmermans-account-of-trayvon-martin-shooting/1222087
the other side:
Quote:

George Michael Zimmerman, the man at the center of the racially charged killing of an unarmed black teen, is a former altar boy, insurance salesman and college student.

And another label has also stuck in the public’s perception: frustrated cop wannabe.

Over the years, his scores of calls to police showed he pursued shoplifters and errant drivers with zeal, reporting pit bulls, potholes, children playing in the street, open garage doors and “suspicious” youths — usually black males — loitering in the street.

He peppered his calls with jargon familiar to police. In one case, he chased a reckless driver while calling 911 — the driver later told police he was terrified that Zimmerman was going to attack him. In another case, Zimmerman tailed a supermarket shoplifter until a police officer successfully arrested the thief.

On the night of Feb. 26, he tailed Trayvon Martin through the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the gated community where Zimmerman lived with his wife, describing his every move to a dispatcher who told him he didn’t need to follow the young man. A scuffle ensued and Zimmerman shot Trayvon dead. Zimmerman claims self-defense.

Dr. Laurence Miller, a Palm Beach County clinical psychologist who works with local police agencies, said he believes Zimmerman likely was acting out the “whole TV cop role in his head” when he confronted Trayvon.

“A lot of people like the power and control that law enforcement officers have but with that comes a tremendous amount of responsibility,” Miller said, pointing out that a police officer is the only profession that can use “coercive physical force” or lethal force to subdue a suspected criminal.

“People act like cowboys and like the power, but not the responsibility.”

What is known about Zimmerman comes from public records and interviews with the few who have defended the man’s reputation.

Zimmerman, one of four siblings, grew up in Manassas, Va. His father was a former military man who raised the children in a very strict, respectful household, neighbors recalled.

His mother, Gladys Zimmerman, was a courts employee of Peruvian descent. The family worshiped at All Saints Catholic Church, where Zimmerman served as an altar boy, neighbors said.

Kay Hall, his neighbor from across the street, said Zimmerman would often bring her dog home if he escaped from their yard, or help her family bring in groceries.

A few years back, he came by and asked George Hall, Kay’s husband, to write a letter of recommendation so that he could apply to a police agency. Hall gladly obliged.

Whether Zimmerman ever actually applied to a police agency is unclear. But according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, he never applied to take the Basic Abilities Test needed to enter recruit training.

However, in December 2008, he applied for a citizens’ police academy with the Seminole Sheriff’s Office. In his application, Zimmerman stressed his background with the law: He wrote that his father is a retired Virginia Supreme Court magistrate judge and his mother worked as a deputy clerk of courts.

He was accepted and completed the one-night-a-week, 14-hour program.

Sheriff’s spokeswoman Heather Smith stressed that the program is simply an educational tool designed to engage citizens and teach them about policing.

“It’s not a training academy. Participants are not issued any type of sheriff’s equipment or deputization,” Smith said.

His prior contacts with the law would have given police agencies pause.

In 2005, according to an arrest report, a state agent arrested Zimmerman for battery on a law enforcement officer and obstructing justice. According to the report, agents with Florida’s Alcohol Beverage and Tobacco division were arresting several employees near the University of Central Florida.

Agent Paul Fleishman wrote that Zimmerman walked up to a pal under arrest and began chatting, refusing to leave. Zimmerman cursed him, Fleishman wrote, before pushing him and causing a “short struggle.”

The charge was later dropped when Zimmerman entered a “pre-trial diversion” program, which is not unusual for first-time offenders. The program usually entails paying fines and taking classes for anger management.

Zimmerman — in applying to enter the citizens’ police academy — later disputed the official version of the event, insisting that the agent never identified himself. “I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regaurd [sic] as I hope to one day become. I would never have touched a police officer,” Zimmerman wrote.

Before the case was resolved, he was also involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-fiancée, hair salon employee Veronica Zauzo.

Zauzo claimed Zimmerman was trolling her neighborhood to check on her. At her apartment, they spoke for about an hour when she asked him to leave. He asked for some photos and paperwork and she refused.

A pushing match ensued and her dog jumped up and bit him on the cheek, Zauzo claimed. Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, painted her as the aggressor, wanting him to stay the night.

“She accused me of going to another woman’s house or going to party,” wrote Zimmerman, who said Zauzo slapped, clawed and choked him.

In their petitions, both included previous allegations of violence. In the end, an Orange County circuit judge ordered them to stay away from each other for more than a year, according to court records. No charges were filed.

His domestic troubles continued in October 2007, when Zimmerman called police to report that the tires of his Dodge Durango were slashed and he suspected his girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend.

The man denied the claim and told officers he was so annoyed by text-message exchanges with Zimmerman that he was mulling a restraining order. None was filed, according to Seminole County records.

Over the years, records show, Zimmerman worked selling insurance, for which he earned a vocational certificate from Seminole State College.

He also worked briefly at a CarMax auto dealership, where his paycheck was garnished because of a credit-card debt.

Several years ago, Zimmerman and his wife moved into the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a multi-ethnic community that had been plagued by burglaries in recent months.

Zimmerman, according to neighbors, stepped up to organize the community watch, patrolling the neighborhood while walking his dog, toting his Kel Tek 9mm semiautomatic handgun, for which he held a concealed weapons permit.

One resident told The Miami Herald that Zimmerman implored her husband to arm himself. His next-door neighbor, who asked not to be identified, said Zimmerman always chatted with her in Spanish and was polite, once warning her husband to move his car lest it get towed from a prohibited sidewalk space.

Nevertheless, even supportive neighbors question the wisdom of taking a gun along on patrols.

That’s something that Miami Maj. Delrish Moss, who oversees the department’s community outreach unit, cautions against when speaking to city-organized citizen’s patrols. Last week, he brought up the Zimmerman case to his volunteers, stressing it’s best to leave weapons at home.

Leave the police aspirations and guns at home and focus on simply observing and reporting potential crime, Moss told them.

“In law enforcement, you always run into people who speak to you in cop jargon, in a way that you can tell they are some kind of frustrated cop,” Moss said. “For the most part, they are harmless and just love police officers, but sometimes, these conversations can be alarming.” http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/23/2712299_p3/george-zimmerman-self
-appointed.html
are "colored" one way or the other, so how can anyone know the truth? And again, the police are "leaking" information, which is really helpful in getting an impartial jury...not!

Heard a lot of questions last night:

Where is evidence of Zimmeran's injuries? He refused medical treatment...it said he sought it the next day; where are the records of same? It says paramedics gave him first aid; did anyone SEE paramedics at the scene?

Why weren't the parents notified about this bag of jewelry? He was suspended for the "graffiti", but there's no mention of the jewelry.

"....much of it has been corroborated by witnesses". All I've heard is people saying they heard the cry for help--some think it was Zimmerman, others Martin, and that they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, or Zimmerman on top of Martin (after he'd killed him).

How (and WHY!) does a kid deck someone 90 pounds heavier than him, wearing a gun?

This speaks to Wulf's claim that people have to be careful about what they wear, etc.:
Quote:

Miami Homicide Sgt. Ervens Ford was among the protesters at civic center.

“This is personal,” Ford said. “I have a son that age. I am getting ready to release him to the world. I have to expose him to things like this. I also have a 12-year-old. I have to be realistic about it: It very very well could have been either one of them.”

Like so many black fathers in America, Ford finds himself schooling his sons on what clothes to wear, what to say to a cop. He calls it “conflict resolution.”

“That man was following him around the way he was, placing Trayvon in fear. Had Travyon shot him and claimed ‘Stand Your Ground,’ Trayvon would have been arrested,” he said. “I’m saying this having been law enforcement for 25 years. I am saying this, and it is my conviction.”

I think most people would agree that if that were the case, Trayvon would have been arrested.

So much was botched, claimed, leaked in this incident, who can know what is true? It's just a mess, and some of what we're hearing now is contrary to what we heard before from the police. I'm not sure what the relevance is of Trayvon's school records, but there's no record of violence whatsoever, while Zimmerman (who is described often as "a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain" -- reported in several stories, this from http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial
-phone/story?id=15959017
) has several incidents of violence in his past.

I guess we can go on arguing about it until the cows come home (as the rest of the country seems to be doing!), but I doubt we'll ever know what really happened.



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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:15 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Hope this is a sad, twisted rumor , but I'm hearing the Obama camp is actually selling hoodies with " 2012 " on them.



http://www.progressiverags.com/obmi20blho.html

Probably just a coincidence

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:18 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting ..."

The outrage is about the fact that it didn't even get an investigation. The outrage is about the police department giving a white man a pass for killing a black boy.



But some black people give the black kids who kill other black kids a pass as well.

Check out the various "Stop Snitchin'" and "No Snitch" campaigns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27

http://nosnitches.com/


I would suggest that the two problems are not unrelated. Decades of institutionalised discrimination and injustice has cultivated these attitudes in the black community - that the police are against them. And invariably this helps crime to flourish (see the film 'City of God' for a good view of this process from the beginning, in the early days of a Brazilian favela).

That's why the Trayvon Martin case (and others like it) is especially important. The perception in a community that the law is not there to protect them is very corrosive, and damaging.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:10 AM

OONJERAH


Quote Niki: "I guess we can go on arguing about it until the cows
come home (as the rest of the country seems to be doing!), but I
doubt we'll ever know what really happened."

. . .All evidence is to be collected and brought before a grand jury.
Then maybe there'll be a trial. Evidence will be presented; witnesses
and Zimmerman will testify.
Some evidence, Zimmerman's physical condition and sobriety on that
night, has already been lost.

. . .With a trial, people could get closure, and our opinions would be
better informed.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:54 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama is a pathetic race baiter just like the vile and oft-disgraced race-opportunists Sharpton and Jackson. Funny how the President, once a notable Chicago organizer of sorts, never had a word to say about the 42 BLACK people shot in Chicago's Southside over a recent holiday weekend, including a six-year old girl who died from a drug driveby shooting. I guess Obama didn't think that little dead girl looked like his daughter. In their sick world, black on black crime is to either be ignored or accepted. Only whiteish skin is cause for alarm.









You're an idiot. Not even worth further comment, really.

Spoon!

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Funny how the President, once a notable Chicago organizer of sorts, never had a word to say about the 42 BLACK people shot in Chicago's Southside over a recent holiday weekend, including a six-year old girl who died from a drug driveby shooting. I guess Obama didn't think that little dead girl looked like his daughter. In their sick world, black on black crime is to either be ignored or accepted. Only whiteish skin is cause for alarm.




You're an idiot. Not even worth further comment, really.

Spoon!



42 shootings in Chicago, over one weekend, isn't worth any comment, by you OR Obama, huh?

Huh.

ETA - It wasn't 42, it was 49

Quote:



NO OUTRAGE OVER 49 CHICAGO SHOOTINGS?

“Why not be angry about the wholesale murder that goes on in the streets of Newark and Chicago?” he asked. “Why isn’t somebody angry about that six-year-old girl who was killed on her steps last weekend in a cross fire when two gang members in Chicago start shooting at each other? Why is there no outrage about that?”

( Former NAACP Leader, C.L.) Bryant said he worries that “people like Sharpton and those on the left” will make Martin’s death a campaign issue in the presidential race.

He speculated that they will “turn this evolving tragedy of this young man into fodder to say… if you don’t re-elect Obama then you will have unbridled events or circumstances like this happening in the streets to young men wearing hoodies.”



http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2012/03/no-outrage-ov
er-st-patricks-day-weekend-chicago-shootings.html


http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton
-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin
/

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:32 AM

OONJERAH


. . .What witnesses say in the Trayvon Martin case =>
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting-witnesses/

the section marked "Witnesses" has accounts I haven't seen before.

Above the written story is a video, interview with a prosecutor in the case.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
. . .What witnesses say in the Trayvon Martin case =>
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting-witnesses/

the section marked "Witnesses" has accounts I haven't seen before.

Above the written story is a video, interview with a prosecutor in the case.



This was the initial info the local police had , from the very start. Sad, that the official process will now be viewed with suspicion, should it not point to the conclusion that many are now demanding be found.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
That's why the Trayvon Martin case (and others like it) is especially important. The perception in a community that the law is not there to protect them is very corrosive, and damaging.


Even more so when it's actually true.
There's reasons why the Detroit PD is under a fistfull of (mostly ignored and unenforced) consent decrees in response to their behavior, which goes on all but unchecked even now.

Just for contrast, this, from Chicago.

Homeowner, 80, charged in shooting of burglar
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-elderly-man-shoo
ts-burglar-in-englewood-both-charged-20120326,0,3175723.story

Quote:

Awakened by his 75-year-old wife, Wright confronted a 19-year-old burglar who had broken through some plywood over a bathroom window in hopes of stealing liquor, according to police. Wright grabbed his 38.caliber pistol, loaded with four rounds, and shot the intruder in the leg.

The suspect was arrested -- but so was Wright.


-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:52 PM

STORYMARK


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Funny how the President, once a notable Chicago organizer of sorts, never had a word to say about the 42 BLACK people shot in Chicago's Southside over a recent holiday weekend, including a six-year old girl who died from a drug driveby shooting. I guess Obama didn't think that little dead girl looked like his daughter. In their sick world, black on black crime is to either be ignored or accepted. Only whiteish skin is cause for alarm.




You're an idiot. Not even worth further comment, really.

Spoon!



42 shootings in Chicago, over one weekend, isn't worth any comment, by you OR Obama, huh?

Huh.

ETA - It wasn't 42, it was 49

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NO OUTRAGE OVER 49 CHICAGO SHOOTINGS?

“Why not be angry about the wholesale murder that goes on in the streets of Newark and Chicago?” he asked. “Why isn’t somebody angry about that six-year-old girl who was killed on her steps last weekend in a cross fire when two gang members in Chicago start shooting at each other? Why is there no outrage about that?”

( Former NAACP Leader, C.L.) Bryant said he worries that “people like Sharpton and those on the left” will make Martin’s death a campaign issue in the presidential race.

He speculated that they will “turn this evolving tragedy of this young man into fodder to say… if you don’t re-elect Obama then you will have unbridled events or circumstances like this happening in the streets to young men wearing hoodies.”



http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2012/03/no-outrage-ov
er-st-patricks-day-weekend-chicago-shootings.html


http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton
-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin
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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Just as vapid a response.

Did the men who committed those shootings get sent home, with their guns, and no investigation?

Of course not. But you knew that already.

Spoon!

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:02 PM

AURAPTOR

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Just as vapid a response.

Did the men who committed those shootings get sent home, with their guns, and no investigation?

Of course not. But you knew that already.

Spoon!



Oh, but there was an investigation. You saying there wasn't doesn't make it so, does it ?

Did the 6 year old girl jump anyone from behind, push their head into the ground and start pummeling them ?

Of course not. But you knew that already.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:58 PM

JONGSSTRAW


I haven't seen the racist-pointing Left drool so much over a case since their racially charged Duke lacrosse debacle. Same cast of sick characters, same liberal guilt-by-skin-color horseshit. Nice to see the Black Panthers threatening to kill white people again, and just in time for them to get ready to man the poll stations again. It's been too long since we heard that refreshing tome.









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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


How do you spell dumbass?

z.i.m.m.e.r.m.a.n.

Or in the words of Agent Jay: don't start nothing, won't BE nothing!

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Or in the words of Agent Jay: don't start nothing, won't BE nothing!


^This.

From the moment Zimmerman left his car after being explicitly told not to - he was in the wrong, ergo all that follows is on his ass, period.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:12 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


In the wrong, yes. Doing something illegal, no.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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