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kpo and Auraptor's Libertarian duel

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 7:22 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Thank you all for coming.

A brief background: In Niki's recent Santorum thread Auraptor suggested that kpo, as a British citizen, wouldn't be able to understand his Libertarian views. kpo responded with the bold claim that despite being a European with no love of Libertarianism, he understood said philosophy better than Auraptor, and challenged him to a duel to prove it.

The duel will take the form of an online political alignment test, with both competitors trying to answer how they think a pure Libertarian would. The person that achieves the highest Libertarian rating clearly understands Libertarianism best.

A third party supplied the following online test:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

To get a comprehensive result we could also do (if time permits):
http://www.politicaltest.net/show/politiktest
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

So Auraptor? Do you accept?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:16 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Bump for Auraptor.

I needn't add, no cheating - we each take the test once, then post our results.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:18 AM

STORYMARK


Prepared to be ignored. Homeboy don't take challenges well.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:21 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


We'll see...

C'mon Aurap, surely you're not going to decline a Libertarian duel with a European liberal?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:21 AM

BYTEMITE


I'd take it, but >_> ._. effort.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'm getting some popcorn...

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:27 AM

BYTEMITE


I am in on this popcorn action. I may also be persuaded to start a pool and break out some odds.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:28 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I am dubious.

All it takes to spoof the test is effort.

All it takes to win this challenge is dishonesty.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:29 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Ill take Raptor chickens out at -250 or better

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:31 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

All it takes to spoof the test is effort.

Plus understanding.

I don't think Auraptor would cheat. My guess is if he takes the test and gets a bad score he just won't post anything and pretend that he never saw the thread...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:32 AM

BYTEMITE


Anthony: popcorn. It is the siren's call.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:39 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Arg, I'm going to have to come back and do this another day, got called away again.

Next time I come back I'll post my results.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:42 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I am dubious.

All it takes to spoof the test is effort.

All it takes to win this challenge is dishonesty.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner




Uh.... didya read the inital post. Kinda the point.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Arg, I'm going to have to come back and do this another day, got called away again.

Next time I come back I'll post my results.

It's not personal. It's just war.




And I'll bet you that Rappy STILL won't have posted his.


PS: Byte, stop taunting Anthony with popcorn. It makes him barf. We'll just have to have all the popcorn to ourselves!


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace:
Ill take Raptor chickens out at -250 or better




You could hardly even call it gambling, really...

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I am dubious.

All it takes to spoof the test is effort.

All it takes to win this challenge is dishonesty.

--Anthony

_




Not true. What it takes is the ability to answer the questions in a way that a "pure libertarian" would answer them, thereby showing an understanding of libertarian thoughts and ideals.

Hell, I scored very libertarian on this test, but the left-leaning kind, not the authoritarian kind.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:52 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:


PS: Byte, stop taunting Anthony with popcorn. It makes him barf. We'll just have to have all the popcorn to ourselves!



Anthony is an outsider? Oh no! The special cookies I sent may have disrupted sensitive unearthly digestive systems!

:(

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:05 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Well, actually, the little kernel fragments make me choke. I often wonder what might be wrong with my swallowing mechanism. Other people eat popcorn all day without concern. I eat a couple and I start coughing like a cat.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:16 AM

BYTEMITE


...:o



^Anthony

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:17 AM

BYTEMITE


I will put extra fish and gazelle into all future cookies.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:21 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Anthony: popcorn. It is the siren's call.



The mini-thread jack, Popcorn poll: (while we wait for AU)

1. Your popcorn maker is:
- Whirly pop,
- microwave,
- steam,
- or some other kernel exploder

2. Your fat of choice:
- Real butter,
- margarine,
- yuppie spray on oil,
- weird but addictive movie house type non-food budda flavored-ish whirl,
- or sans-fat

3. Sprinkle choice:
- Morton's Chemlab Salt,
- "popcorn salt,"
- Sea salt,
- other

4. If I get crazy, I add:
- peanut butter
- chili powder
- bacon grease (I kid you not)
- Potpourri
- some other ungodly substance

5. I eat:
- whatever I make, ie, only the bottom of the bowl stops me (aarrgghh!)
- only a bit and save the rest for future enjoyment.

6. I eat:
- daintily, one kernel at a time savoring each precious morsel
- I'm a gobbler, and it doesn't matter who's visiting, if I can stuff it in my mouth I put it in
- somewhere in between


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Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:27 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

While I do not eat popcorn, my wife loves popcorn, so I make it frequently.

1. Your popcorn maker is: An iron pot on the stove, with a steamer lid on it.


2. Your fat of choice: Olive oil


3. Sprinkle choice: Sea Salt


4. If I get crazy, I add: I never add nuttin.


5. I eat: Never

6. I eat: Not at all. My wife eats handfuls at a time while watching TV or browsing the web. She feeds a few popped kernels to the chihuahua (sp?) Lucius Vorenus.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:27 AM

BYTEMITE


Microwave or steam, generally have to content myself with fake butter, probably sea salt, southwestern chili and cheese actually sounds kind of good, like a starved wolf.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:43 AM

STORYMARK


I LOVE POPCORN!!


1. Your popcorn maker is:
- microwave,

2. Your fat of choice:
- weird but addictive movie house type non-food budda flavored-ish whirl,

3. Sprinkle choice:
- other - none

4. If I get crazy, I add:
- parmesan

5. I eat:
- whatever I make, ie, only the bottom of the bowl stops me (aarrgghh!)

IF that.

6. I eat:
- I'm a gobbler, and it doesn't matter who's visiting, if I can stuff it in my mouth I put it in

By the over-sized handfull.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:02 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

While I do not eat popcorn, my wife loves popcorn, so I make it frequently.

1. Your popcorn maker is: An iron pot on the stove, with a steamer lid on it.


2. Your fat of choice: Olive oil


3. Sprinkle choice: Sea Salt


4. If I get crazy, I add: I never add nuttin.


5. I eat: Never

6. I eat: Not at all. My wife eats handfuls at a time while watching TV or browsing the web. She feeds a few popped kernels to the chihuahua (sp?) Lucius Vorenus.




I would call this Classic Style Moderne (the olive oil and sea salt), like simple pasta with olive oil - just a few ingredients - perfecto, no need to mess it up - a great style to master.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:08 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Microwave or steam, generally have to content myself with fake butter, probably sea salt, southwestern chili and cheese actually sounds kind of good, like a starved wolf.



Nouveau Frontier Style - My wife likes cheesy popcorn, I find it just kind of weird. She also likes popcorn with peanut butter - and one time tried bacon grease, and parm cheese.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:10 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I LOVE POPCORN!!

2. Your fat of choice:
- weird but addictive movie house type non-food budda flavored-ish whirl,



I almost hate to admit it, but that stuff at the the theater is amazing.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:43 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I really wish Raptor would do the test with KPO, just because KPO obviously really wants to do it and if he started a whole thread about it Raptor should oblige. If someone started a whole thread for/about me I'd want to do what they were asking. Well, within reason anyways, :)

I adore popcorn!1 microwave at home, but campfire and old school popcorn maker when in the woods. 2, regular butter or the butter stuff that comes on Organo-pop. I will eat the fako stuff at the theater when going with a friend, but I won't order it otherwise because its bad for me. 3 with our camping popcorn we put salt on it and I use my licked fingers to get at it on the bowl after the popcorn is gone. MMMMM salt. 4 I don't add stuff to popcorn likethat. 5 I will eat it all whenever I can. 6 I tend to eat one bite at a time, or two, but occasionally I'll do the stuffing face thing, but only on rare occasions, I'd rather savor the flavor.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



This is a pointless, silly thread. I've already explained , in the thread mentioned in the OP, and at other times, my libertarian views.

I never claimed to be a 'purist', so the idea of a contest to see who is the " most ", or understands more about Libertarian views is nonsensical.

I will not take part.

As you were.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:00 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


1. Your popcorn maker is:
- microwave,

2. Your fat of choice:
- butter,

3. Sprinkle choice:
- none

4. If I get crazy, I add:
- bacon grease, it makes the popcorn taste like little peices of bacon candy!

5. I eat:
- it not as often as I should

6. I eat:
- by the handfull



Now back on topic, if Rappy does show his face in this thread it is only going to be to say how stupid this challenge is.

EDIT - damn he ninja'd me!

....but I was right!



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:11 PM

STORYMARK




Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


I never claimed to be a 'purist', so the idea of a contest to see who is the " most ", or understands more about Libertarian views is nonsensical.



Yeah, you just claimed to know more, and when put on the spot - bailed.


Quote:

I will not take part.






So, Rappy bitched out.

Guess EVERYONE called that, huh. Funny, that.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:14 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
The mini-thread jack, Popcorn poll: (while we wait for AU)



1. Air pop
2. Bacon grease if available, otherwise real butter
3. table salt
4. chili powder
5. All Madame Geezer doesn't get
6. Handfull at a time



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

This is a pointless, silly thread. I've already explained , in the thread mentioned in the OP, and at other times, my libertarian views.

I never claimed to be a 'purist', so the idea of a contest to see who is the " most ", or understands more about Libertarian views is nonsensical.

I will not take part.






A coward's way of conceding the point that KPO does indeed understand more about libertarianism than you, an alleged libertarian.

Congratulations on your cowardice, and thanks for proving me right by being too afraid to man up and take the test.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Anthony: popcorn. It is the siren's call.



The mini-thread jack, Popcorn poll: (while we wait for AU)

1. Your popcorn maker is:
- Whirly pop,
- microwave,
- steam,
- or some other kernel exploder

2. Your fat of choice:
- Real butter,
- margarine,
- yuppie spray on oil,
- weird but addictive movie house type non-food budda flavored-ish whirl,
- or sans-fat

3. Sprinkle choice:
- Morton's Chemlab Salt,
- "popcorn salt,"
- Sea salt,
- other

4. If I get crazy, I add:
- peanut butter
- chili powder
- bacon grease (I kid you not)
- Potpourri
- some other ungodly substance

5. I eat:
- whatever I make, ie, only the bottom of the bowl stops me (aarrgghh!)
- only a bit and save the rest for future enjoyment.

6. I eat:
- daintily, one kernel at a time savoring each precious morsel
- I'm a gobbler, and it doesn't matter who's visiting, if I can stuff it in my mouth I put it in
- somewhere in between



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

So, Rappy bitched out.

Guess EVERYONE called that, huh. Funny, that.




Was there ever really any doubt?

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:30 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Auraptor probably took the test, saw that the result would embaress him and decided that it would be "better" to claim indifference.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:23 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

So, Rappy bitched out.

Guess EVERYONE called that, huh. Funny, that.




Was there ever really any doubt?



Not for a micro-second.

Its just funny.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:26 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Auraptor probably took the test, saw that the result would embaress him and decided that it would be "better" to claim indifference.



Hell, I'd go one further, and think he took it several times, and was continually unable to get the score he wanted (the rest of your scenario playing out from there).

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:28 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Auraptor probably took the test, saw that the result would embaress him and decided that it would be "better" to claim indifference.



Money.

Thanks to everyone who didn't chicken out of the popcorn poll! I had no idea bacon grease was that popular.

oldenglanddry, KPO - do they server popcorn in British cinemas? Is it salty or sweet?

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:33 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

In fairness, there is an alternative possibility.

It's possible he decided that if he won, foul play would be suspected, and he'd lose honor.
If he lost, he'd lose honor.

Both outcomes lose honor.

Would everyone really have given him a genuine pat on the back and an 'attaboy' if he won?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:39 PM

STORYMARK


Except - how could we call foul play when the whole point was to try to game the survey?

And while you have a fair point with the "pat on the back" statement - based on the bahavior you yourself have seen for years, which snenario do you really believe?

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:31 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I have been conditioned to think the worst of Mr. Raptor... but I strive to give people benefit of the doubt.

From this, I think the best he could hope for was, "Well, it seems you know Libertarian positions. Too bad you don't apply them to your politics!" Or some such.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:32 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Except - how could we call foul play when the whole point was to try to game the survey?


Hello,

Taking the test 42 times to get the desired answers would violate the rules. That was always a possibility.

And if he was smart, he could spoof the test without even taking it at all.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, March 1, 2012 4:34 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
The duel will take the form of an online political alignment test, with both competitors trying to answer how they think a pure Libertarian would.



Well, actually it'd show who is closer to what politicalcompass.org thinks a libertarian is.

You'd also have to determine whether a Left Libertarian or a Right Libertarian (as defined by politicalcompass.org) is more truly libertarian.

Anyone who reads the questions in the test can pretty much craft their answers to put the result anywhere in the universe of authoritarian/libertarian and Left/Right. I played four times and put my results in the four corners of rhe Auth/Lib/left/right square.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 4:49 PM

ANTHONYT

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I played four times and put my results in the four corners of rhe Auth/Lib/left/right square.


Hello,

You were able to hit the corners precisely, in succession, in individual consecutive attempts? Impressive.

--Anthony



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Thursday, March 1, 2012 4:51 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


lollygobbleblissbombs....

now that is how you eat popcorn


popcorn with caramel or butterscotch

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 7:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You were able to hit the corners precisely, in succession, in individual consecutive attempts? Impressive.


I just GOTTA snark... can't help myself... rappy refuses to put HIS thoughts in a box! Not because he hates boxes, he just doesn't have any thoughts to fill them with.

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:07 PM

OONJERAH



      How long before KPO wins by default?
Which would only happen if Mr. Raptor had accepted the challenge.
      Duels have rules.


Personal responsibility is the Truth.
Self determination triumphs over reaction.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:00 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Anthony, great name for a little rat-dog.

Is Titus Pullo around as well?

Rome is I think one of my top 5 all-time favorite shows. I so love the conceit of history turning around two totally unknown characters :).

Sorry for off-topic rant, had to respond to a chihuahua names Lucius Vorenus

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Friday, March 2, 2012 3:53 AM

FREMDFIRMA



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