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Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Not to attempt diagnosis, but I should also mention that I got my Godfather hooked on Boost about 10-15 years ago, he's over 75 now. At the time, he mentioned in passing how tired, sore, worn out he was later in the day. He was a farmer mostly, and he sorta "retired" but really has kept up the routine pretty much all along. I suggested Boost, pulled a 6-pack out of my vehicle and gave it too him. Next time I stopped by, he and his wife (my Godmother) mentioned how essential Boost was to him. If he doesn't take a bottle of it at lunch, then by dinnertime he really needs an effort to haul his behind back to the house. He feels with pinpoint accuracy exactly which days he forgot to drink a bottle 0 his energy is completely depleted.
So it might help you with low energy issues, which is one reason I mentioned it earlier.
Boost also prevents "achy" or soreness/strain in muscles and joints. When I get that sensation that some muscles will be sore tomorrow, a bottle of boost makes that turn into "strength" or "solidness" the next day.

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I'm often very tired, sometimes feel a bit of achey pressure around
the heart, but usually not.




Forgot to mention, often tired is another effect of sucralose, one friend of mine had a metabolism rate that the lab said was for a person in a coma - after 9 months of cold turkey from sucralose, they finally understood that her glands had become permanently damaged, but they did get her into the non-coma range.
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Part of being smart is knowing what the clues are.


For diet:
You seem to have too much late in the day. I don't know your weight, or if it is an issue. You should wake up hungry, and have a decently large breakfast and lunch, and greatly reduce what you eat in the last 4 hours before you go to bed. Too much pasta, bread, meat before bed will just process and become fat, and mess up your chemical balance.

Transition Diet:
eat anything you want for breakfast, lunch, and up to the last 4 hours before bedtime. Moderation is better, but not essential until you've settled in.
last 4 hours eat any of this, as much as you wish:
Any soup.
any fruits or veggies, canned or fresh.
popcorn (not with sucralose)
any potato (not chips, prefer not fries) baked, mashed, salad, etc OK.
any nuts.


Forgot to mention salads - any salad that does not contain pasta.

The explanation:
This is not a punishment "diet." Eventually if you can avoid eating the last 4 hours, that would be great. Many friends have lost weight just on this alone, never transitioning to another diet. If you eat late one night, or on a date, no big deal - you know about it, it shouldn't kill you, particularly if you go out dancing after dinner and burn off much of it before going to sleep.
Some people cannot go to bed hungry, and punishing yourself in this way is actually bad for you, your appetite, and your health habits.
Therefore, the list of acceptable foods.

Popcorn and potato products normally are filling enough that you will stop before you can really get too much calories or fats in you.
The rest have vitamins, minerals, readily available simple sugars, and should help alleviate the nutrition sensors in you which are triggering your "hungry" sense. Yet are easy for your body to break down without creating more fat cells.

So, eat enough that you are not "hungry" or "starving" when you retire, but have a healthy appetite when you awake.

Also forgot to mention fish/seafood up to the last 2 hours before bed. Mostly fish and seafood have less complex digestive requirements and can be completed within 2 hours.

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Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:16 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Potato products? I can eat my body weight in chips, they are very morish.

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Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Potato products? I can eat my body weight in chips, they are very morish.


Did you read the part, very specifically and clearly mentioned, like "NO CHIPS" or similar?
That would mean chips are not allowed. Plus fries are preferred to not be included.

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Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Haven't heard from Oonj in a little bit here.
Has any of this helped, have my replies left you disappointed?

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Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:25 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Potato products? I can eat my body weight in chips, they are very morish.


Did you read the part, very specifically and clearly mentioned, like "NO CHIPS" or similar?
That would mean chips are not allowed. Plus fries are preferred to not be included.



It was the potato 'products' that left me cold. What other potato 'products' are there that are okay?

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Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:08 AM

BYTEMITE


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It was the potato 'products' that left me cold. What other potato 'products' are there that are okay?



Well that's part of the problem, potatoes and related products are better if they're heated first before consumption.

Meanwhile in Idaho:



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Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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You know lots of folks who do not breathe? or not on a regular basis? or don't normally breathe?
This is an inhalation workout.
All land based critters perform this task naturally, with weight which would be translated to the chest on most. You may have heard of PSIA, or "atmo" in certain sci-fi ventures. Inhalation, AKA expansion of the chest or ribcage, is pushing the sternum outward against the pressure (or "weight") of this very same atmosphere.
I was not aware until now that there were beings capable of interacting on this forum which were also not habitually breathing, or did not find breathing to be a "normal" activity.
This particular workout augments the resistance against inhalation during the workout period, so that inhalation activities outside the workout period are easier and more readily effective.



All the people I know breathe. Every day in fact. But not with weights on their sternums


The people you know breathe in a vacuum? Really? Without the weight of atmospheric pressure on their sternums? Really?
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You say "augments resistance" and I say "unnecessarily strains" how would either of us know which it really is?


unnecessary strain would be one which produces muscular soreness at the time or within the following days after the event. Muscles can only work properly when they are exercised. Are you also going to prohibit anybody who has undergone surgery from coughing, sneezing, grunting on the can, singing, shouting, whistling, playing musical instruments of the mouth, or blowing their nose? These also produce additional strain on the diaphragm muscles used for breathing, although these are all for the exhalation muscles. There are no natural exercises for the inhalation muscles, hence the specified workout for them. I can pretty much guarantee you that no doctor will ever suggest such an exercise - far easier and less thoughtful and within insurance guidelines to shovel some pills down their throat, and that will keep the customer - errr patient - coming back for more instead of letting them get better.
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"Boost's temporary energy increase comes from the sugar that it contains.


temporary, perhaps. This is not the energy increase which lasts for hours and days. This energy increase is from the vitamins and minerals.
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Therefore, energy drinks like Boost have a high amount of calories,

Specifically, Boost Energy drink contains 240 calories in an 8 oz. serving,


high amount of calories?
Boost 8oz serving has 25% USRDA of something like 24 vitamins and minerals, meaning about one quarter of your daily requirements. 240 calories is about one quarter of a 1,000 calorie per day diet. Quarter for a quarter, get it? Under the original Nutrament name, the serving was 12oz, the USRDA was 35%, and the calories were about 350 - in other words, one third for one third. How this perfect proportionality can be redefined as "high amount" is junk-science or junk-math at it's worst.
I have never found a product with that many vitamins and minerals while at the same time that few calories, sugars, fats as Boost has. And I do look.
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It is a well-known fact that obesity is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease and related conditions such as hypertension or high blood pressure; furthermore, heart disease is the number one cause of death in the United States. The American Heart Association recommends avoiding excessive foods and beverages that contain high amounts of sugar. Boost nutritional energy drinks range from 25 to 27 g sugar with each 8-oz. serving, according to Quitehealthy.com. >>> Do not begin this nutritional drink until you first speak with your doctor, especially if you have a history of heart disease.<<<"



That really sounds like scare tactics. Maybe take some pills instead of vitamins and minerals.

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Thursday, July 17, 2014 6:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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For diet:

Transition Diet:
eat anything you want for breakfast, lunch, and up to the last 4 hours before bedtime. Moderation is better, but not essential until you've settled in.
last 4 hours eat any of this, as much as you wish:

any potato (not chips, prefer not fries) baked, mashed, salad, etc OK.



Forgot to mention salads - any salad that does not contain pasta.


Also forgot to mention fish/seafood up to the last 2 hours before bed. Mostly fish and seafood have less complex digestive requirements and can be completed within 2 hours.


Also forgot to mention yogurt.
Been a while since I've offered this, so I haven't had it all together in my memory, sorry.


For potato products:
Au Gratin, hash browns, American fires, home fries, twice baked, scalloped, tater tots, hash brown casserole, I'm sure there are more. Anybody think of more?

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Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:56 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Aren't all those potato products incredibly high in fats, including many of the so called bad fats ie trans and saturated? But baked, roasted, mashed, boiled I can live with. I can also eat a lot of mash when I get started, and that too can be loaded with butter.

Yoghurt is great, I agree. But not kind that is loaded with sugar or artifical sweeteners. I eat greek style, full fat no sugar. You can add your own unsweetened fruit or muesli (granola?) if you need a bit extra something.

Boost sounds like Sustagen which we have here. Also a Nestle product, which automatically makes me distrustful. I pretty much agree with G. The only use for these products are if you are ailing and fading away as both my parents did before they died, and then they tend to get the hospital formula. They still died, btw.

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Friday, July 18, 2014 4:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Aren't all those potato products incredibly high in fats, including many of the so called bad fats ie trans and saturated? But baked, roasted, mashed, boiled I can live with. I can also eat a lot of mash when I get started, and that too can be loaded with butter.

Yoghurt is great, I agree. But not kind that is loaded with sugar


This is not the eventual diet that you may choose. This is for the final 4 hours before bedtime, to help you get over any "starvation" hump, to allow you to sleep. The more your diet shifts to earlier in the day, the less you'll feel the need to eat during the last 4 hours before bed. As I stated, this is not a punishment diet, just one to help correct bad habits - but many friends tell me they lose so much weight and feel so much better that they never move on to another diet.
If you are eating "a lot" of mashed potatoes, then you likely didn't have enough other foods prior to the last 4 hours period. You may choose to not include potato products in your tailored routine, but the reasoning behind leaving them in the allowed foods is sound.

All artificial sweeteners should be avoided for health purposes.

Also, I looked up Sustagen. Seems Nestle used that name for other markets after buying the Boost brand. Also, apparently I should specify Boost by Nestle, because a British company named Boost also has same named products. And apparently nestle has also resurrected the Nutrament name and changed some flavors, and it different packaging than before.
Has anybody seen these Nutrament cans for sale anywhere? Any chain stores? I have never seen these new ones on a shelf before, and the old ones from Mead-Johnson were had to find as well - that was why I didn't mind having the name/marketing change since the availability was on a whole new level.

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Friday, July 18, 2014 8:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

This is not the eventual diet that you may choose. This is for the final 4 hours before bedtime, to help you get over any "starvation" hump, to allow you to sleep. The more your diet shifts to earlier in the day, the less you'll feel the need to eat during the last 4 hours before bed. As I stated, this is not a punishment diet, just one to help correct bad habits - but many friends tell me they lose so much weight and feel so much better that they never move on to another diet.
If you are eating "a lot" of mashed potatoes, then you likely didn't have enough other foods prior to the last 4 hours period. You may choose to not include potato products in your tailored routine, but the reasoning behind leaving them in the allowed foods is sound.



Oh I'm just a pig when it comes to mash, to any potato product really, which is why I try to restrict my intake of them. Mash is rare, baked occasionally, but I do roast them along with a number of other vegies. Something I think Americans dont tend to do.

I agree with your premise of eating forward. More during the day and less at night. But I'd keep away from the energy drinks.

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Friday, July 18, 2014 8:42 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Ah, any kind of potato. I know there are some recommended types, but I do any variety. If you are going to go hard core on roasting, you par boil them first but I don't bother with frippery like parboiling or peeling. I give them a good scrub and quarter.

I would also include sweet potato, pumpkin, carrots, parsnips, beetroot, onions, garlic even cauliflower. I also add tomato and mushrooms but closer to the end. You dont need a lot of oil, and lots of herbs, particularly rosemary, make it tastier.

http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/vegetables-recipes/roasted-vegetabl
es


This one is a bit more trad, being root vegies.
http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/2690/roast-root-vegetables-with-herbs.a
spx


EDit: Same as you about butter. Haven't touched margarine for years. I used to buy spreadable butter in a tub ie contains an oil of somekind. It's basically a butter margarine hybrid. Now I buy in blocks. I even have an old fashioned butter plate so I can keep it out of the fridge.

http://shop.coles.com.au/online/national/dairy--eggs-meals/dairy-eggs/
butter-margarine

As you can see from this catalogue, buying like this is significantly cheaper than buying tubs. One thing about going back to basics is the cut in cost of groceries once you cut out as much processed food as possible.

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Friday, July 18, 2014 9:30 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Well done. I struggled to find the ingredients online.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:06 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Whoa. Whoa.
I was think about other things when I read this, didn't check on the links. Now that I have, we can see that


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BOOST http://www.livestrong.com/article/440387-side-effects-of-boost-high-pr
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"Boost's temporary energy increase comes from the sugar that it contains. Therefore, energy drinks like Boost have a high amount of calories, which if taken for an extended period of time could lead to weight problems, states MayoClinic.com. Specifically, Boost High Protein Energy drink contains 240 calories in an 8 oz. serving, along with 50 calories from fat. Additionally, Boost High Protein drink has 10 mg cholesterol, 33 g carbohydrates, and 18 g of sugars. The chocolate Boost high protein drink contains nearly 30 g sugar."



Is such a honest, dependable, unbiased, neutral reference.
Right.
It's an anti-sugar site. They say in 2011 the above nonsense about avoiding naturally occurring plant derived cane sugar, but says you should consume the paralytic aspertame!! For those who have seen Lorenzo's Oil, and knowing aspertame eats away the myelin and causes central nervous system failure and uncontrolled paralysis in women, such a preposterous claim is laughable. And then the same site champions the pesticide sucralose, trying to convince all that the only issue is "headaches" until finally in 2014 they notice that another source has changed their categorization of sucralose from "safe" to "avoid" - OH, THANKS for the last 10 years that the public has consumed this industrial chemical at your behest!!!
OF COURSE both of those are far, far, far better than naturally occurring food like sugar!!
Didn't find their comments on carcinogen saccharin, but they probably think that is the best thing to consume and get cancer since AZT.
Believe their health concerns about Boost?? Give me a break.
Since the 70's, I have not heard of a valid health concern about Boost/Nutrament.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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The people you know breathe in a vacuum? Really? Without the weight of atmospheric pressure on their sternums? Really?



The great thing about being an earthling is we're built not to feel that pressure. Do you feel it pressing on your stomach?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
unnecessary strain would be one which produces muscular soreness at the time or within the following days after the event. Muscles can only work properly when they are exercised.



We wouldn't know that until perhaps too late - so why risk it? this isn't a bum foot we're talking about.

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Are you also going to prohibit anybody who has undergone surgery from coughing, sneezing, grunting on the can, singing, shouting, whistling, playing musical instruments of the mouth, or blowing their nose?



Hell yeah! Have you ever had stitches? "Don't strain" is common advice.

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I can pretty much guarantee you that no doctor will ever suggest such an exercise - far easier and less thoughtful and within insurance guidelines to shovel some pills down their throat, and that will keep the customer - errr patient - coming back for more instead of letting them get better.



You seem to be suggesting that Drs never cure anyone. I agree that there are good and bad Drs, and that some of them might take shortcuts. That's why I suggested the Cleveland Clinic.

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high amount of calories?
Boost 8oz serving has 25% USRDA of something like 24 vitamins and minerals, meaning about one quarter of your daily requirements. 240 calories is about one quarter of a 1,000 calorie per day diet. Quarter for a quarter, get it? Under the original Nutrament name, the serving was 12oz, the USRDA was 35%, and the calories were about 350 - in other words, one third for one third. How this perfect proportionality can be redefined as "high amount" is junk-science or junk-math at it's worst.
I have never found a product with that many vitamins and minerals while at the same time that few calories, sugars, fats as Boost has. And I do look.



Boost? Please check it out again.

http://www.weightymatters.ca/2011/10/badvertising-boost-is-it-really.h
tml


"You know if you're making health claims and you run your ad often enough, I'll probably get around to checking up on it.

Today's ridiculousness?

Boost. It's made by Nestle Nutrition and they've been advertising like crazy these days with that ad up above being plastered all over multiple Canadian medical journals.

The ad claims the silly dressed up guy in the frog glasses is

"totally serious about complete nutrition",
and that ad suggests that for said "complete nutrition" I should recommend Boost for my patients.

So do I?

Lord no.

Why?

First take a moment to peek at Boost's ingredient list:



And now let me ask you, if a beverage starts out with a 237ml glass of water and added to that are 7 teaspoons of sugar and corn syrup, would there be any concoction of vitamins or minerals that you could stir into that glass that would have you believe it'd be a smart choice?

I didn't think so, and yet with 28g of sugar, and sugar and corn syrup being the 2nd and 3rd ingredients after water, that's exactly what you get with Boost, with added sugar accounting for a whopping 47% of Boost's total calories.

So I guess the morale of the story here is that you shouldn't take nutritional recommendations from a clown....or at the very least not from Nestle Nutrition. "


Holy cow, another even worse site - type in sucralose for his search - he uses it constantly!!

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
high amount of calories?
Boost 8oz serving has 25% USRDA of something like 24 vitamins and minerals, meaning about one quarter of your daily requirements. 240 calories is about one quarter of a 1,000 calorie per day diet. Quarter for a quarter, get it? Under the original Nutrament name, the serving was 12oz, the USRDA was 35%, and the calories were about 350 - in other words, one third for one third. How this perfect proportionality can be redefined as "high amount" is junk-science or junk-math at it's worst.
I have never found a product with that many vitamins and minerals while at the same time that few calories, sugars, fats as Boost has. And I do look.


Boost? Please check it out again.

http://www.weightymatters.ca/2011/10/badvertising-boost-is-it-really.h
tml


"You know if you're making health claims and you run your ad often enough, I'll probably get around to checking up on it.
Today's ridiculousness?
Boost. It's made by Nestle Nutrition and they've been advertising like crazy these days with that ad up above being plastered all over multiple Canadian medical journals.
The ad claims the silly dressed up guy in the frog glasses is
"totally serious about complete nutrition",
and that ad suggests that for said "complete nutrition" I should recommend Boost for my patients.
So do I?
Lord no.
Why?
First take a moment to peek at Boost's ingredient list:



So I guess the morale of the story here is that you shouldn't take nutritional recommendations from a clown....or at the very least not from Nestle Nutrition. "


Holy cow, another even worse site - type in sucralose for his search - he uses it constantly!!


I would never recommend any artificial anything, nor would I recommend any drink that is as full of sugar as Ensure or Boost - easy.


That's funny. Your illustrious source states he has seen no evidence of pesticides or poisons like sucralose having any harmful effects on humans. He drinks it all the time. But, God forbid, anybody consume naturally occurring sugar.
GENIUS!
Morons like this probably say to also avoid butter, and DHMO - even having it banned in some cities.
You should probably make sure to never again consume sugar, butter, or DHMO.

I have never recommended Ensure to anybody for any reason.
And, sorry, I've already been checking out Nutrament and Boost for 30 years, through about 5 different manufacturers, before it even got bought by Nestle.

And, umm - stitches for 10 years? You must have one fantastic doctor to keep you in stitches for 10 years.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


On a coworkers water bottle today, I noticed that Propel Water has sucralose, and not even at the bottom of the ingredient list, but halfway up the list.

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You know lots of folks who do not breathe? or not on a regular basis? or don't normally breathe?
This is an inhalation workout.
All land based critters perform this task naturally, with weight which would be translated to the chest on most. You may have heard of PSIA, or "atmo" in certain sci-fi ventures. Inhalation, AKA expansion of the chest or ribcage, is pushing the sternum outward against the pressure (or "weight") of this very same atmosphere.
I was not aware until now that there were beings capable of interacting on this forum which were also not habitually breathing, or did not find breathing to be a "normal" activity.
This particular workout augments the resistance against inhalation during the workout period, so that inhalation activities outside the workout period are easier and more readily effective.


All the people I know breathe. Every day in fact. But not with weights on their sternums and not after heart surgery (I don't care how long ago).


When any adult human lowers themselves into water, they are putting pressure on their sternum, adding pressure to work against. Water pressure increases about 0.445 psi per foot of depth. An average person would have their chest submerged about a foot when their mouth is at surface level. if the average chest is about a foot square, that would be 144 inches square, and for argument's sake, half that is 72 square inches. So 0.445 psi times 72 square inches equals about 31 pounds of weight on the chest (or extra resistance) just by swimming, or wading in to neck depth. Five pounds is one-sixth of that.
I have difficulty believing that almost anybody reading this would not be able to see how much of a foolish notion you have.
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us agreeing might be a red flag as well.


heaven forbid.
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You say "augments resistance" and I say "unnecessarily strains" how would either of us know which it really is?


Yep, sitting in water that is 2 inches above your nipples is certainly an excessive "strain" and should certainly not be considered a form of exercise. Just sit in bed for the rest of your life.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Diets, health and eating = everybody says something different and it can be so confusing. There's a lot of misinformation out there as far as I can determine.

One thing that they all agree on is that you cannot each too many fresh vegies. The fresher the better for you.


I hope this is the case in your country. In America this is not always the case, many lethal cases of salmonella and such are from veggies picked by illegal immigrants and the like. Although not neighbor-fresh, these are still in "fresh" form, not canned or cooked. Nobody has been getting these illnesses from canned or cooked veggies. I wish this was not a dilemma.
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My mantra is the same as G. Choose food that has been tampered with as much as possible.


I was thinking you actually meant the opposite.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
On a coworkers water bottle today, I noticed that Propel Water has sucralose, and not even at the bottom of the ingredient list, but halfway up the list.
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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You know lots of folks who do not breathe? or not on a regular basis? or don't normally breathe?
This is an inhalation workout.
All land based critters perform this task naturally, with weight which would be translated to the chest on most. You may have heard of PSIA, or "atmo" in certain sci-fi ventures. Inhalation, AKA expansion of the chest or ribcage, is pushing the sternum outward against the pressure (or "weight") of this very same atmosphere.
I was not aware until now that there were beings capable of interacting on this forum which were also not habitually breathing, or did not find breathing to be a "normal" activity.
This particular workout augments the resistance against inhalation during the workout period, so that inhalation activities outside the workout period are easier and more readily effective.


All the people I know breathe. Every day in fact. But not with weights on their sternums and not after heart surgery (I don't care how long ago).


When any adult human lowers themselves into water, they are putting pressure on their sternum, adding pressure to work against. Water pressure increases about 0.445 psi per foot of depth. An average person would have their chest submerged about a foot when their mouth is at surface level. if the average chest is about a foot square, that would be 144 inches square, and for argument's sake, half that is 72 square inches. So 0.445 psi times 72 square inches equals about 31 pounds of weight on the chest (or extra resistance) just by swimming, or wading in to neck depth. Five pounds is one-sixth of that.
I have difficulty believing that almost anybody reading this would not be able to see how much of a foolish notion you have.
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us agreeing might be a red flag as well.


heaven forbid.
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You say "augments resistance" and I say "unnecessarily strains" how would either of us know which it really is?


Yep, sitting in water that is 2 inches above your nipples is certainly an excessive "strain" and should certainly not be considered a form of exercise. Just sit in bed for the rest of your life.


Do you have much experience dealing with people who have had heart surgery?


Actually, yes.
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wikipedia's sugar page:


Great, wiki is completely unbiased, neutral, and believable about pesticides like sucralose, so I am sure to swallow everything they state about sugar...
" is as safe for consumption by diabetics as non-diabetics,[14][15][16] and does not affect insulin levels.[17] "
Quote:


You speak of artificial sweeteners - did you read the Boost ingredients label?


Many times. Maybe hundreds. Often wondering how it can produce such outstanding results.

Quote:


That's a much better label.


FAIL.
Your labels are missing the data. Left label seems about 5grams (if it is only one cup), right label about 13grams. For those of you not good with the math, 13 grams is more than the 9 grams for men and 6 grams for women the Sugar Nazis say should be consumed per day.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:43 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I hope this is the case in your country. In America this is not always the case, many lethal cases of salmonella and such are from veggies picked by illegal immigrants and the like. Although not neighbor-fresh, these are still in "fresh" form, not canned or cooked. Nobody has been getting these illnesses from canned or cooked veggies. I wish this was not a dilemma.



Ooh those germ riddled illegal immigrants.

Salmonella can contamonate pretty much any food, depending on how it's prepared and stored. I've not heard of salmonella outbreaks being traced back to vegetables or fruit here, not saying it's not possible, but I have not seen it. Mostly it's related to animal products being under cooked or the cross contamination that can occur in food preparation.

When travelling in Asia, you are often told to avoid uncooked vegetables in salads etc because of salmonella, but that is due to the way they are grown and use of contaminated water to irrigate, rather than the filthy germs that breed on non Americans.

I would say that the health benefits of eating a diet of fresh fruit and vegetables would far outweigh any risk of contracting salmonella, unless you have information about a current outbreak where you might switch to canned for the duration, or just cook them. Fresh does not mean 'raw' btw.

Quote:


I was thinking you actually meant the opposite.



Missed a word. A vital one.


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Friday, July 25, 2014 5:18 PM

OONJERAH



What happened to Oonj?

I do get confused & boggled by information overload pretty easy.
Probably takes me much longer than you-all to process new or con-
flicting info.

So since about the 15th, I've had my eye on the thread & saw it
progressing. But I didn't attempt to read it -- cause I was too full.

Even more of my stress was home-in-real-life social upheaval; stuff
in one's backyard is too demanding to be ignored. (see "Coffee-
Cheers" thread this date)

In the meantime, I was tryin' some stuff:
Yes, I quit the cassia "cinnamon," but kept the other herbs in my
morning tea. Now I usually have some fruit juice before the tea. I
got some flax seed oil, but mostly forget to take it. My supplements
last a long time that way. I read that Fenugreek improves glucose
metabolism ... because there's a bottle of fenugreek on my shelf, &
I thought, "what's that for?" ... this month, a friend told me to try
lemon bioflavonoid complex to help my tinnitus: "improves circula-
tion in the inner ear". I looked it up without tinnitus in the search; atm,
I find a page that lists 9 health benefits, but in my original search,
there was a page that listed many more, like, "Ooo! a panacea!"

Does the bioflavonoid complex work on the tinnitus? It's sure tryin'
& I do hear a difference some days. The hard part is remembering
to take it.

Yes, I do eat a lot of beans-fruit-vegies anyways, canned & frozen,
rarely fresh. But I'm still doing my starch fix, bread or smashed
potatoes, as the quicky food.

Changing the when of eating sounds real hard. I learned to eat wrong
& erratically when I was a real little kid. And eating a small snack as
I go to bed has long been one of my little rewards. Re fasting, I
told a Dr. once, "I live to snack." Dinner is a real meal. But making
lunch into a real meal may take some time & effort.

Yoga. Don't I wish! I used to try over & over to do hatha yoga. And
when I was successful, it sure felt good. Beyond where it says to hold
my breath during a stretch, I never got into the breathing exercises.
My efforts to meditate are sometimes good, especially if I play a
soothing chant with it (see Youtube uploads by COLOURFULLMOON).
But I've not made it a habit. ... No, I've not yet tried the breathing
exercise with a 2.5 lb weight on my chest. I don't do as much as I
could for exercise, but do get a little bit most days.

I'm glad to see that others got involved in this discussion. It's a
good one!

Still truckin'.


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Friday, July 25, 2014 6:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


it should help to try making your bedtime snack something like mandarin oranges (in can is fine), or another simple item, or popcorn - the transition diet is supposed to make it as easy as possible.

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Friday, July 25, 2014 9:33 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

FAIL.
Your labels are missing the data. Left label seems about 5grams (if it is only one cup), right label about 13grams. For those of you not good with the math, 13 grams is more than the 9 grams for men and 6 grams for women the Sugar Nazis say should be consumed per day.



The so called sugar nazis have a good point, given the excess of sugar that fills our diet with empty calories. Not to mention the use of corn syrup as a sweetener in the US which has basically been added to most foods. (You sweeten your bread, seriously?)

How much has sugar consumption increased in recent years? Figures indicate it may be as high as 30 % higher than 20 years ago. Most of that attributed to consumption of sugary drinks such as coke and juices.

So it's unlikely that anyone would need to increase the amount of processed sugar in their diet, unless they really needed to increase their weight due to some chronic health condition. Even then, they would be probably be better to focus on healthy fats and carbs, which enable the body to produce enegery at a slower, more even rate - rather than the highs and lows caused by sugar buzz.

One of the problems is that foods are marketed as healthy when they really aren't. Fruit juice is just as high in sugar as soft drink er I think you call em sodas. Even though it contains vitamins that sugary fizz drinks don't, they aren't really good for you at all. It's too easy to consume a lot of sugar in one hit if you pour yourself a glass. If you've ever juiced an orange manually, you'll know why. It takes a lot of oranges to fill a glass, more fruit than you should really be consuming in one hit.

THat is why when I juice I use mainly vegies, with a bit of fruit for sweetening.

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Friday, July 25, 2014 9:36 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Oonj, read up a bit about cassia. Seems it has health benefits as well, it's just that you probably should be consuming it in massive doses as it can affect your liver. Sprinkling some on your food would be fine.

Perhaps real cinnamon is marketed as 'ceylon cinnamon'. In any case, it appears as if ceylon cinnamon is lighter and more feathery in its rolled form, and cassia is darker and courser.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 3:02 AM

OONJERAH



MD ... good tip on juice the vegies and add a bit of fruit to it.
Maybe I will motivate and get into juicing. Hmmmm.

A little fruit juice + a lotta water and a lotta high fructose corn
syrup is the American way. You can tell by our teeth & idiotic grins.



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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:51 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I love smoothies as well. I have a thing for banana, dates and almond milk at present, but tend to be a bit more conservative when using veg in my smoothies. I love the sites, btw and will try some of the recipes.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 6:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
FAIL.
Your labels are missing the data. Left label seems about 5grams (if it is only one cup), right label about 13grams. For those of you not good with the math, 13 grams is more than the 9 grams for men and 6 grams for women the Sugar Nazis say should be consumed per day.



And you miss the point completely. You couldn't miss it more if you tried... er, yeah, right, you did try.


Missed the point?
Your POINT was about SUGAR.
Your POINT was to spout the SUGAR-Nazi mantra.
Your POINT was to say nutritional foods should not contain SUGAR.

Your posted image with FALSE data intentionally FAILING TO MENTION the SUGAR that you so vehemently oppose in your prior POINTs was a poor excuse at your Sugar-Nazi propaganda.
Perhaps YOU missed your POINT.
Next time try to include the truth when attempting to make your POINT.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 6:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Now that was harsh

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Monday, July 28, 2014 9:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


fwiw I've had juicers - twice. But they were messy and hard to clean, and I also decided I was throwing away good stuff. Then I got a Vitamix which gets consistently good ratings, plus I know people who swear by theirs. But again, it was a pain to clean and too big for my needs since I'm the only one that uses it. So I got a Nutribullet and it's the best $100 I've spent. It makes 'me' sized portions, is easy to clean, and does a decent job. There are a couple of things to watch out for - you can't let it sit for any length of time (hour +) after use b/c it tends to get stuck, you have to take the gasket out and rinse it b/c otherwise it won't get clean, and when you put it back in you need to take a second and make sure it's flat, or it might leak. I use it every day when I want something quick, tasty and nutritious. So far it's mostly milk or milk substitute with low-sugar fruit and some nuts. I haven't branched out yet to include veggies in my smoothies. But I do use it when I cook tomato sauce/ paste from fresh tomatoes. And I've made some very nice dried tomato pesto, parsley pesto and spinach pesto in it.




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Monday, July 28, 2014 9:29 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


There are juicers and juicers.

This is the one I have now.

http://www.appliancesonline.com.au/small-appliances/beverage-preparati
on/juicers/centrifugal/breville-juice-fountain-juicer-bje200.html#BJE200


It's pretty simple to clean, plus the pulp goes well in the compost.

I dont like citrus skin on, so I do that the old fasioned way (I think it tastes better pressed anyway)



In all honesty, you are better off not drinking too much fruit juice, but eating a piece of fruit. Again, the juicer is for vegetables.


For smoothies, I use this.

http://www.appliancesonline.com.au/small-appliances/mixing-and-blendin
g/stick-blender/breville-stick-blender-bsb520.html#BSB520

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Now that was harsh



Guess we should talk about the nutritional value of nuts now.


I have no nutritional value.
So there.

Not sure how much sugar I contain, tho.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
There are juicers and juicers.

This is the one I have now.

http://www.appliancesonline.com.au/small-appliances/beverage-preparati
on/juicers/centrifugal/breville-juice-fountain-juicer-bje200.html#BJE200


It's pretty simple to clean, plus the pulp goes well in the compost.

I dont like citrus skin on, so I do that the old fasioned way (I think it tastes better pressed anyway)


In all honesty, you are better off not drinking too much fruit juice, but eating a piece of fruit. Again, the juicer is for vegetables.


For smoothies, I use this.

http://www.appliancesonline.com.au/small-appliances/mixing-and-blendin
g/stick-blender/breville-stick-blender-bsb520.html#BSB520


It sounds like you have some experience with various juicers. Can you share with us the pros and cons, and perhaps make/models of the other units you have tried? Or why you did or didn't like them?

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:38 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
fwiw I've had juicers - twice. But they were messy and hard to clean, and I also decided I was throwing away good stuff. Then I got a Vitamix which gets consistently good ratings, plus I know people who swear by theirs. But again, it was a pain to clean and too big for my needs since I'm the only one that uses it. So I got a Nutribullet and it's the best $100 I've spent. It makes 'me' sized portions, is easy to clean, and does a decent job. There are a couple of things to watch out for - you can't let it sit for any length of time (hour +) after use b/c it tends to get stuck, you have to take the gasket out and rinse it b/c otherwise it won't get clean, and when you put it back in you need to take a second and make sure it's flat, or it might leak.





Are you saying that you must take out the gasket only after letting it sit an hour, or every single time after use?

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Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/07/nutribullet-pro-900-do
n-t-buy-safety-risk/index.htm

NutriBullet Pro 900 blade can break, causing risk of ingestion

during performance testing, a blade cracked or broke on two separate units during our durability test ... a broken blade fragment could be small enough to hide in a blended beverage, posing a potential hazard to users ... an earlier generation of this model has been in our blender Ratings for several years; it made it through our durability test without any trouble.

... we recommend you avoid it in favor of a blender that performed safely and capably in our tests. One to consider: the Nutri Ninja, a $90 personal blender that made a very good icy drink, a superb puree, and completed our tough durability test without incident.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/kitchen-appliances/blend
ers/blender-ratings/models/overview/ninja-nutri-ninja-pro-99052168.htm



Ninja Nutri Ninja Pro

Summary: This Ninja personal blender was very good in overall performance, and has

push down controls
plastic jar
removable blade
3 cup capacity
1 claimed speeds
and a food chopper



eell hunh. I just read that newer models have had problems with the blender blade cracking and causing potential hazard from swallowing small sharp pieces of metal. older models are ok. However, Consumer Reports - if u go in


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Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:17 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

It sounds like you have some experience with various juicers. Can you share with us the pros and cons, and perhaps make/models of the other units you have tried? Or why you did or didn't like them?



Meh, can't remember. Had one model for many, many years but noticed via friends etc that the new kinds had much better features. Less nooks and crannies to clean and you could put whole fruits in without cutting.

Do you have a site similar to this one?

http://www.choice.com.au/reviews-and-tests/household/kitchen/benchtop-
appliances/juicers-review-and-compare.aspx


I always check Choice before making larger purchases.

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Friday, August 1, 2014 4:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Recent news reports that the Corn industry has noticed High Fructose Corn Syrup getting accurately bad publicity. So now they want to change the name of High Fructose Corn Syrup to Corn Sugar. The Sugar industry does not agree with this idea. The top dude in some Beet Sugar deal has been testifying about things.
So be careful if you start seeing "Corn Sugar" in your ingreedaments.

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Friday, August 1, 2014 7:21 PM

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Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Good luck avoiding it

http://www.celestialhealing.net/Food_contain_HFCS.htm


Luck isn't much of a factor. But diligence is. It is possible to avoid, but you do need to read the label. I know a "grocery" shore which does not have a single crouton package without it - yes, croutons, aka stale bread.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:46 AM

OONJERAH



OK. I'm still real interested in this thread. So why do I skip it so much?
Not sure. Part of my disorganization thing? Takes a long time for some
things to penetrate to a level of understanding? Anyway, I went off &
OCDed on a computer game. But the health issues and wanting to work
on them, I continued.

Aug 2, I drove across town to the other Health Food store and asked if
they carry Ceylon Cinnamon. They did, so I got a small pile of it to try.
Compared to Supermarket cinnamon, the color is lighter, smell is different
& taste; it's warm, not hot, on the tongue. And when eaten, I felt right
away that it heats the blood. Now it's in my morning tea all the time.
Shall I up my dose? Dunno yet. The gal at the store even told me to put
it in a glass jar when I got home, 'cause it will burn thru a plastic bag!

In the meantime, how's my hypoglycemia?
It's a little better, feels different, but still with me. If I get preoccupied
and forget to eat, it'll still get me.

I wanna go wheat-gluten free. I have a loaf of rice & millet bread ... &
it's from the regular grocery store! I don't like it much, but I can eat it.

The lady at my neighborhood Health Foods store warned me about micro-
wave ovens. Big No-no, ruins the food, bad for you! So I searched that &
found a buncha articles that agree. My friend told me, "They've been tel-
ling us not to microwave for years!" Me, "Yeah, but ... I don't read or
watch TV, so I never heard of it!"

Today, I ordered some Polygala tenuifolia (my town doesn't have it).
It's a Chinese herb, anti-aging, semi-panacea thing. I'm sure it'll be fun
to try. Anyways, my main interest is What it does for the Brain. Yes, it
improves mood, memory & concentration; but mainly, it helps one to
sleep, to dream, to wake up refreshed.

O, I almost forgot: some refer to it as the Will Herb.



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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:12 AM

OONJERAH



Aug 17, Sis called to tell me a couple of guys were on Coast-to-Coast
the night before talking about healthier diets. John Gray and John
Robbins, author of Diet for a New America. Robbins is a Baskin-
Robbins heir who's gone native more or less. Attention limit, I didn't
delve in & read either of their web sites. But I did watch part of a
video on YouTube with Robbins. In about half an hour, I was com-
pletely turned off by him. Because, most of the talk was an anti-Big-
med*, anti-Big Ag rant. It's not that I would try to defend them ...
actually, I've avoided knowing anything about Big Ag for fear that the
horrors would keep me awake. But there were two reasons I turned
off the video: I didn't believe Robbins' story of what they do to raise
baby veal. Simply because ... I've raised a few animals. If you treat
an infant-steer as badly as he described, you don't get veal; you get
a dead calf. So did the man lie, or was he misinformed? I don't know
or care. My other problem was ... he never got around to his diet:
What's good to eat?
*On Big Medicine, I think he said what I already know: They are in
business to help us along in a chronically ill state.

Maybe it was the next day, I found this video by Brendan Brazier,
vegan, tri-athlete and author, Thrive Diet.


It's only an hour; took me 2 days to watch it all: attention limit.
But he gave some interesting ideas.
Maca root to keep our adrenal glands happy.
Algae-chlorella. He said this is a vagan source of B12 and Omega 3
oil. Looked at a page for it on the web: Too many benefits to list =
another panacea.
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-907-chlorella
.aspx?activeingredientid=907&activeingredientname=chlorella




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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

OK. I'm still real interested in this thread. So why do I skip it so much?
Not sure. Part of my disorganization thing? Takes a long time for some
things to penetrate to a level of understanding? Anyway, I went off &
OCDed on a computer game. But the health issues and wanting to work
on them, I continued.

Aug 2, I drove across town to the other Health Food store and asked if
they carry Ceylon Cinnamon. They did, so I got a small pile of it to try.
Compared to Supermarket cinnamon, the color is lighter, smell is different
& taste; it's warm, not hot, on the tongue. And when eaten, I felt right
away that it heats the blood. Now it's in my morning tea all the time.
Shall I up my dose? Dunno yet. The gal at the store even told me to put
it in a glass jar when I got home, 'cause it will burn thru a plastic bag!

In the meantime, how's my hypoglycemia?
It's a little better, feels different, but still with me. If I get preoccupied
and forget to eat, it'll still get me.

I wanna go wheat-gluten free. I have a loaf of rice & millet bread ... &
it's from the regular grocery store! I don't like it much, but I can eat it.

The lady at my neighborhood Health Foods store warned me about micro-
wave ovens. Big No-no, ruins the food, bad for you! So I searched that &
found a buncha articles that agree. My friend told me, "They've been tel-
ling us not to microwave for years!" Me, "Yeah, but ... I don't read or
watch TV, so I never heard of it!"

Today, I ordered some Polygala tenuifolia (my town doesn't have it).
It's a Chinese herb, anti-aging, semi-panacea thing. I'm sure it'll be fun
to try. Anyways, my main interest is What it does for the Brain. Yes, it
improves mood, memory & concentration; but mainly, it helps one to
sleep, to dream, to wake up refreshed.

O, I almost forgot: some refer to it as the Will Herb.



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Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.


You asking about the dosage: The "flush" you feel of capillaries expanding is the temperature sensors in your dermis (skin) detecting the increase in blood flow volume (blood is your body's heat circulation system).
So as long as you feel that flush, you have accomplished the goal of "exercising" or flexing your arterial walls (this makes it hard for plaque to form on walls, when they move or flex often enough).
If there is another benefit from cinnamon that you seek, I see no objection, but achieving the amount that will moderate your insulin levels and also giving you the flush would be enough from what I would ask you to shoot for - and you have done that.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:25 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'd avoid going gluten free unless you have been diagnosed with some medical condition that requires it, but I do think varying your carbs in a good thing to do.

If I was going to follow my own eating plan, I'd choose oats for breakfast, for breads - not the white wheat kind, but ones made with rye or oats or some other grain. For evening meal, potatoes or sweet potatoes, or occasionally brown rice, wholemeal pasta, or quinoa. Just avoid eating too much wheat and avoid the highly processed white kind.

I've just gone back to being pescatorian???? if that is a word. No red meat or chicken. Howls of protest from my family, but I've reached a certain stage of life where I feel content to say 'suck it up'

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:01 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


it's for ethical reasons mostly. I've been vegetarian or close to it on and off my whole life, and when I wasn't, I just ate it on special occasions. But lately it's crept way up in our diet. I've been unhappy about it for awhile, and have just decided I'm grown up enough to choose my own diet.

I really dont like factory farming of meat.

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:52 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


It's a good idea in theory, but I can't see us cutting Mrs Fluffy's throat, skinning her, disembowling her and throwing her on the barbie.

Truth is, I'm feeling squeamish around meat. i dont feel like eating it, I dont feel like touching it or cooking it. Hubby can barbeque a few steaks now and then if anyone feels like a 'fix'.

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Monday, September 1, 2014 4:02 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I know foraging's a bit of a thing in the UK, not sure about here.

When I was a youngster, I tried for a few years being a minimal meat eater, but I found it hard to say to refuse meat based on the premise that I didn't eat in very often. People would either ignore my preference or accuse me of being fussy. Once I called myself a vegetarian, I found I was accommodated much more easily. Back then, I was living in the UK, the meat I was eating was junk anyway, fast foods. I found I eliminated most of them from my diet by going vegetarian. That lasted about a decade, I then spent a long time not eating much but the amount has crept up in recent years. I really just want to get back to eating as much plant based as I can. I am not sure whether I will indulge on special occasions. In my family, special occasions usually mean something with seafood, so it may not be an issue.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 6:50 PM

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Friday, September 5, 2014 7:34 PM

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I made the hasselbacks last night. So easy and not a lot of fat. Can recommend them.

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