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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


If we'd just leave them alone, we'd all get along famously!



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Those close to the case of a Christian pastor in Iran who's facing a death sentence for refusing to recant his faith now fear he could be killed any day now.

The American Center for Law and Justice warned there is an "increased likelihood" that the execution order against Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani has been signed and could be carried out at any time.

"The likelihood that the Iranian regime will execute him increases by the day," ACLJ Executive Director Jordan Sekulow said.

He added that the situation is more "dire" than ever.

Sign the online petition urging more pressure on Iran to release Pastor Youcef Nararkhani and to dismiss his death sentence.

Meanwhile, several members of Congress have joined the fight to save Nadarkhani's life.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/February/Resolution-Condemns-Ira
n-for-Pastors-Death-Sentence
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A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.

Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of *apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years.
It is unclear whether Nadarkhani can appeal the execution order.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/22/iran-court-convicts-christian-
pastor-convert-to-death
/




*Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined in Islam as the rejection in word or deed of one's former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam.



But hey, if they want to take over the world, and fly the flag of Islam over the White House, " so what! ", right ?



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:51 AM

STORYMARK


Gee, another broken record "Rappy hates Muslims" post?

Why, golly gee, it's been.... like, a few hours since we've had one of those.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Gee, another broken record "Rappy hates Muslims" post?

Why, golly gee, it's been.... like, a few hours since we've had one of those.



A few hours since a non Muslim was sentenced to death for the heinous crime of NOT being a Muslim anymore?

And you're perfectly fine with all that, huh?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:59 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Yup, Rappy showing his Islamophobia again.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:03 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

What is your point? That religious nutjobs are barbaric? That people in other countries do bad things?

This is news to nobody, so what are you trying to convey?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Yup, Rappy showing his Islamophobia again.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Is that what the wife and 2 young sons of the condemned man can call it too ?

He deprived no one of their life, liberty or property. He committed no fraud or act of treason. And yet he's charged and may very well lose his life.

Quote:

What is your point? That religious nutjobs are barbaric? That people in other countries do bad things?

This is news to nobody, so what are you trying to convey?

--Anthony



The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:14 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


...and those faces are truly horrid. It is sad that in this day and age anyone would be willing to kill another because of they do not share the same religious beliefs as they do.

It is also horrid that you and others want to blame an entire religion for that acts of some who follow it. There is not a religion on this planet which does not have members with blood on their hands.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

It is also horrid that you and others want to blame an entire religion for that acts of some who follow it. There is not a religion on this planet which does not have members with blood on their hands.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



On the first part, I'll agree. So let's sit back and watch the global outrage from the fine Muslims from all the other countries speak out and petition for this man's life, ok?

But then to go on and say no religion is with out members who have blood on their hands...so what ? If the Pope were issuing death sentences in the 21st century, I'd see your point. But he isn't, and I don't.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:28 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Mr. Raptor,

You still have not conveyed anything. You have only held up a murder of innocents.

What is your point? What action do you propose based on this information?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:49 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Nothing? Is your entire message confined to

Muslim = Bad?

Do you propose nothing at all?

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning.





Yes, you certainly do have hysterical blindness on this issue, and it is stunning.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning.




Yes, you certainly do have hysterical blindness on this issue, and it is stunning.



And if your dad was sentenced to death for having done absolutely nothing, you'd be just fine w/ that, right?

Glad to hear it.

Funny, the whack jobs on the Left will praise cop killers and hold them in the highest esteem, and petition for their release. But a man converts from Islam to another religion, and THAT is his only crime, for which he gets the death sentence ... " Meh, what are you gonna do ? "

Maybe if he had converted to Judaism... ? Hell no, what am I talking about ? I know, what if he had converted to Hinduism ? Or was a practicing Buddhist ? THEN we'd hear outrage...


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


And if your dad was sentenced to death for having done absolutely nothing, you'd be just fine w/ that, right?




My dad WAS sentenced to death by his government, for the crime of obeying orders and going to Vietnam and getting doused with Agent Orange for a year. He's dead, and I don't remember you saying a goddamned thing about it, do I?

Keep telling us all how much you support the troops, though.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:03 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning.




Yes, you certainly do have hysterical blindness on this issue, and it is stunning.



And if your dad was sentenced to death for having done absolutely nothing, you'd be just fine w/ that, right?

Glad to hear it.

Funny, the whack jobs on the Left will praise cop killers and hold them in the highest esteem, and petition for their release. But a man converts from Islam to another religion, and THAT is his only crime, for which he gets the death sentence ... " Meh, what are you gonna do ? "

Maybe if he had converted to Judaism... ? Hell no, what am I talking about ? I know, what if he had converted to Hinduism ? Or was a practicing Buddhist ? THEN we'd hear outrage...


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




Hello,

Is that your message? That murder should outrage us?

Done.

Thank you for your public service anouncement.

Or was there something else? Some other point? Some proposed action beyond 'being outraged at murder?'

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:07 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

It is also horrid that you and others want to blame an entire religion for that acts of some who follow it. There is not a religion on this planet which does not have members with blood on their hands.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



On the first part, I'll agree. So let's sit back and watch the global outrage from the fine Muslims from all the other countries speak out and petition for this man's life, ok?

But then to go on and say no religion is with out members who have blood on their hands...so what ? If the Pope were issuing death sentences in the 21st century, I'd see your point. But he isn't, and I don't.



Well not the pope, but...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-70-Stoned-to-Death-for-H
omosexuality-Police-118243719.html


http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/christian-fundamentalist-k
ills-92-mostly-teenagers-in-norway
/

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fundamentalist-christians-sp
anked-daughter-to-death-in-the-name-of-god
/



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Keep telling us all how much you support the troops, though.



Oh, stop being so hysterical.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:12 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Keep telling us all how much you support the troops, though.



Oh, stop being so hysterical.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

Has your message broadened, Mr. Raptor?

Has it gone from "Be outraged at murder" to "don't be hysterical about your Dad dying?"

Is that it, then?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Well not the pope, but...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-70-Stoned-to-Death-for-H
omosexuality-Police-118243719.html


http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/christian-fundamentalist-k
ills-92-mostly-teenagers-in-norway
/

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fundamentalist-christians-sp
anked-daughter-to-death-in-the-name-of-god
/



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



And how many of these were state sponsored ?

Oh, none of them?

As you were.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:14 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad

Yet, you see, we're all blind to that.

That's why he has to bring his islamaphobia here regularly to remind us that

Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Muslim = Bad

And that we're all blind to it.

(Obsessive-Compulsive, some?)

"As you were"



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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:18 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Mr. Raptor,

You still have not conveyed anything. You have only held up a murder of innocents.

What is your point? What action do you propose based on this information?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner




Isn't that clear? He's angry that we don't hate like he does, and will continue these threads until we do.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:19 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Well not the pope, but...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-70-Stoned-to-Death-for-H
omosexuality-Police-118243719.html


http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/christian-fundamentalist-k
ills-92-mostly-teenagers-in-norway
/

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fundamentalist-christians-sp
anked-daughter-to-death-in-the-name-of-god
/



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



And how many of these were state sponsored ?

Oh, none of them?

As you were.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



That just happens because they have let religious nutjobs have power. Luckly here we have the Democratic party to keep that from happening.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yes, just all continue to make this about Raptor...


February 23, 2012

Iran’s grand ayatollahs: Earth belongs to Muslims, end is near

Published: 12:03 PM 02/23/2012 | Updated: 12:25 PM 02/23/2012

Iran’s economy is struggling because of crippling new restrictions on the country’s financial system, but no amount of sanctions will keep the mullahs from their headlong pursuit of nuclear weapons, which they hope will help usher in Islamic dominance of the world. The religious leaders believe it is their responsibility, as foreshadowed by the Quran, to bring about nuclear war to facilitate the coming of the last Islamic Messiah.

Two Iranian grand ayatollahs are now saying that the Earth will soon be under the feet of Muslims, as promised by the Quran.

The clerical establishment in Iran has long believed that the Islamic Revolution of 1979 was a sign by Allah that the end of times is near and that the duty and responsibility of the believers is to become ready for such an event.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, indicated to his close associates that he saw a mandate for the final glorification of Allah to overthrow the Shah, establish an Islamic state and then pass the flag of Islam to the last Islamic Messiah. When asked if he would be the one to pass the flag, he responded that “the one after me will be the one” who will create the circumstances for the reappearance of Imam Mahdi, the Shiites’ 12th Imam.

Many in the Islamic regime believe that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who became the Iranian supreme leader after Khomeini’s death, is the chosen one to pass the flag of Islam to Imam Mahdi. In fact, statements made by close associates of Khamenei indicate that the supreme leader himself is convinced that he is the one who will trigger the coming.

Mahdi, in Shiite belief, will reappear at the time of Armageddon.

In a recent statement, Grand Ayatollah Jafar Sobhani, a top Iranian Twelver Shia and a “Marja” (source to follow), addressed the future of the world as per the Quran.



http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/23/irans-grand-ayatollahs-earth-belongs
-to-muslims-end-is-near
/


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

That just happens because they have let religious nutjobs have power. Luckly here we have the Democratic party to keep that from happening.



Hey, I'm all for a godless run govt, I really am. But when our dear leader has a god complex himself, and or his dutiful followers in the MSM all but CALL him god... I'm not real sure that's a hell of a lot different.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:21 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Mr. Raptor,

I'm trying to understand your message. What is it?

What are you advocating? What do you want to say?

Are you advocating nothing, and just showing us Outrages?

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Well, in lieu of clarification, I am left with this:

Murder is an outrage

Unless it's your Dad

Then don't get hysterical.

While I consider this message of dubious value, I support your right to share it.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Iranian Scientist 'Sought Israel's Annihilation,' Says Widow

Quote:

Semi-official Iranian news agency interviews widow of Mostafa Roshan – leaving no doubt as to nuclear program's goal.

By Gil Ronen
First Publish: 2/22/2012, 7:48 PM


Reuters
The wife of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, an Iranian nuclear scientist who was assassinated in Tehran in January, said Tuesday that her husband "sought the annihilation of the Zionist regime wholeheartedly," according to Iran's semi-official Fars news agency.

"Mostafa's ultimate goal was the annihilation of Israel," the agency quoted Fatemeh Bolouri Kashani as saying Tuesday.

Bolouri Kashani also underlined that her spouse "loved any resistance figure in his life who was willing to fight the Zionist regime and supported the rights of the oppressed Palestinian nation."
The report belies attempts by Iran to claim that its nuclear program is not military in nature.
Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan is described as "a chemistry professor and a deputy director of commerce at Natanz uranium enrichment facility."

Fars says he was killed by Mossad agents, who used a method of attack similar to that used against Iranian nuclear scientist Massoud Ali Mohammadi in January 2010, as well as scientists Fereidoun Abbassi Davani and Majid Shahriari. Abbasi Davani survived the attack, but Shahriari died. Yet another Iranian scientist, Dariush Rezaeinejad, was assassinated by the same method in July of 2011.






" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:37 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Is Iran hates Israel an additional message you wish to share?



Well, in lieu of clarification, I am left with this:

Murder is an outrage

Unless it's your Dad

Then don't get hysterical.

BTW, Iran hates Israel

While I still consider this message of dubious value, I support your right to share it.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:50 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Anthony, you make me smile. Smiling is good. Thank you.



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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:51 PM

OONJERAH



Can't we express our religious intolerance by making fun of Scientologists for a while?

Er *looks around* -- any Scientologists in here?

Furthermore, anyone who posts in this thread is just fanning the flames of ... FlameBlowers.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gee, it's a good thing we don't have radical Christians among us, like those evil, nasty radical Muslims...oh, wait, not "radical" Muslims, ALL Muslims apparently, from what Alt. Univ. writes.
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The power of America's so-called "Evangelical community" certainly cannot be underestimated. Its influence seems to be huge, to say the least, especially upon this present U.S. Administration. There is no doubt that America's "Evangelical Christians" (i.e., "Christian Zionists") not only support Israel in its totality, but also even seem to welcome an all-out War in the Middle East to "hasten" (or "accelerate") the climate for the realization of "end-time" events long prophecied.

The main reason for this is quite simple. To them, it all started on May 14, 1948 when the State of Israel became a reality in more than 2000 years. It was a miraculous event to the vast majority of American's Fundamentalist Christians then (particularly to those who adhered to the so-called "dispensationalist" interpretation of the Bible) who rejoiced at that unprecedented event, believing that it was the fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy, the beginning of the "end-time" period.

Fundamentalist Christians (such as Baptists, especially the Southern Baptists, Pentecostalists, such as the Assemeblies of God, Foursquare Churches, Full Gospel Churches, and all other denominations of the so-called "born-again", "Evangelical" beliefs), believed that the generation that would wtiness the re-establishment of Israel would also be the generation that would witness the Second Coming of Jesus and the consequent establishment of His Millenial Reign on earth from Israel.

Thus they are all part of the growing and influential "Christian Zionists", which definitely played a major role in the growth of America's so-called Neo-Conservative ("Neo-Cons") movement of recent years.

Going back to the significance of the establishment of Israel in 1948, quite a number of Fundamentalist Christians came to believe that a Biblical generation was 40 years.

However, when 1988 (i.e., 40 years after 1948) came and went by without a whimper, another theory started to pop up. They found a new significant year in 1967, the year in which Israel (through the Six-days War) occupied the city of Jerusalem for the first time in more than 2000 years. Their belief then was that it was the fulfillment of the prophecy that said that "Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled".

In this present, escalating Middle East crisis, it is apparent that the vast majority of America's "Evangelicals" not only support Israel's present actions but even seem to support an all-out War in the Middle East, in order to "hasten" (or "accelerate") the climate for the Second Coming of Jesus.

As I mentioned a while ago, America's Neo-Conservative movement (the "Neo-Cons") is based upon the Evangelicals' "undying" support of Israel through their belief that Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and that the U.S. must continue to support Israel, no matter what.

Thus the "Evangelicals" and Neo-Cons seem to be pushing for an all-out attack on such as Iran and Syria. Meanwhile, the Israelis seem to be comforted and encouraged by the constant support given to them by America's "Evangelicals". This is indeed a strange alliance. (Some say, however, that the Israelils are simply taking advantage of the "blind support" given to them by America's "Evangelical Christian community").

In order to understand the mind-set of these Fundamentalist, "Evangelical" Christians, I think it is quite important to summarize their beliefs, especially their beliefs regarding the "end-times" prophetic scenarios they envision and expect to happen.
Here are some of the strange "end-times" beliefs of Fundamentalist, "Evangelical" Christians:

STRANGE "END-TIMES" BELIEFS OF FUNDAMENTALIST, "EVANGELICAL" CHRISTIANS

As I mentioned a while ago, one of the main characteristics of America's "Neo-Cons", with the backing of Fundamentalist Christians and "Evangelicals", is their total support of Israel through their belief that contemporary Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and the the U.S. must continue to support the State of Israel, no matter what.

A large number of America's Fundamentalist Christians and "Evangelicals", therefore,
seem to believe that we are living in the "end-time" period of God prophetic calendar. I think that it is important to point out some of the "end-time" scenarios as envisioned by these groups.

Here is the typical order of prophetic events to come, as outlined by many Fundamentalist Christians and "Evangelicals" who hold on to the so-called Pre-Millenial, Dispensationalist, Pre-Tribulation viewpoints:

1) THE EZEKIEL 38 SCENARIO

They seem to believe that this could easily begin with the escalation of the Middle East conflict, involving Israel.
The Ezekiel 38 scenario includes the attempted invasion into Israel by all Islamic forces (led and orchestrated by the northern-most power, i.e., Russia) and will conclude with a miraculous Israeli victory.
They believe that it is suggested in the Bible that it will take 7 years to bury the dead from this unprecedented conflagration. (The U.S. could be involved, directly or indirectly in this conflagration, they explain).

2) THE APPEARANCE OF THE ANTI-CHRIST

According to their belief, the Ezekiel 38 scenario will conclude with the appearance of the Anti-Christ who will create a Peace Treaty between Israel and the Palestinians (and all Islmic confederation).
(They say that, for example, Iran's Ahmadinejad believes that he could be the one that could be welcoming the coming, long-awaited Islamic prophet, "Imam" - i.e., the "Anti-Christ", to the Fundamentalist Christians)

3) THE RAPTURE

They say that the Ezekiel 38 scenario could also conclude with the simultaneous disappearance of millions of people from this earth, which will result in total chaos, confusion and fear among the global populace. This, they say, is the "Rapture". It will be a mysterious, mass "evacuation" of the believers to meet the Lord in "mid-air". (The physical bodies will be mysteriously and instantaneously converted to celestial bodies). In other words, "born-again" believers will be translated from one side to the other side, i.e., from the earthly plane to the heavenly dimension and will meet Jesus in "mid-air".

The "Rapture" (from "raptare", to "snatch" away, as in the eagle "snatching" away her baby when danger comes and taking it away to a safer location, etc.), is a supernatural event clearly suggested in the Bible that has not happened yet in the history of mankind, but will be certain to happen, according to most of these pre-tribulationist/dispensationalist believers.
It will be an inexplicable, instantaneous disintegration of all atomic particles of each of our cells of our tissues, i.e., the instant conversion of our physical body into a spiritual, celestial "body" which will be swooshed up into "mid-air". In other words, they believe that "in the twinkling of an eye", our physical bodies will go through a mysterious sudden transmogrification (a favorite word used by John Keel) and will be lifted up to meet the Lord in "mid-air". Our entire physical bodies (the tissues, the cells will go through a sudden, inexplicable atomic fission-type transformation, they say.

They believe that the "Rapture" is a conduit prepared by God for us to escape the coming global wrath know as the Tribulation (comparable to the days of Noah, when God safely placed a few faithful believers in the ark first and then caused the rain to downpour thereafter).
Pre-tribulationist/dispensationalists believe that this unprecedented event will take place simultaneously with the appearance (the revealing) of the Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ will not be able to come to power until the "body of believers" (together with the presence of the Holy Spirit) is removed from this earth. Only then, at that moment, can the Anti-Christ come into power.
The "Rapture" will literally be a celestial wedding, the union of the bride (the "church" or the "body of believers") and the Groom (Jesus Christ). This "wedding" celebration in the air will last for 7 days, which could be equivalent to 7 earthly years.

4) THE ANTI-CHRIST SUCCEEDS IN CALMING DOWN THE STUNNED, CONFUSED AND FEAR-FILLED POPULACE

When the Anti-Christ appears on global emergency TV news conference, many of these Fundamentalist Christians say that he could calm down the frightened people of the earth with his ingenious, well-calculated explanation regarding the sudden disappearance of millions of people from the earth; this could be when "UFOs" are brought up; the Anti-Christ could use some type of "extraterrestrial" intervention explanation.

(I would venture to say that in the United States, the majority of the so-called Fundamentalist, Evangelical Christians hold on to the viewpoint that somehow the "UFO" phenomenon is "Satanic" or "diabolical". These groups seem to believe that "UFOs" will play a major role in these future biblical prophecies.

Some theorists even believe that if a global government of some sort is to be set up intentionally (by force) in the future, there are several ways to accomplish it. Creating wars is one example, they say. Creating other series of "crises" is another, such as taking advantages of natural global catastrophes, or even creating artificial ones. We all heard of the "ORDO AB CHAOS" theory.

They also point out that Henry Kissinger's at one time suggested (in a statement he allegedly made in 1992 in Evians, France) that should the world suddenly face an external threat (i.e., from "outer space") where REAL or PROMULGATED, it would accelerate a cry for a global unified government. They say that Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev also had allegedly made such similar remarks, that is the world is faced with such an extraterrestrial threat, we will all forget our differences and be united as one to defend this earth from such threats.

Can the "world government" stage a deceptive, "alien-contact-landing" scenario?
If the secret government were to stage such a fake, "extraterrestrial" type of event, it would definitely be beneficial to them if there remains an adamant element of society who have always believed in "UFOs" and "aliens".)

In any case, Fundamentalist "Evangelical" Christians seem to believe that somehow the Anti-Christ will come up with a brilliant, convincing explanation for the "Rapture" event and that somehow, the world will have a sigh of relief by his explanation.

5) THE BEGINNING OF THE 7-YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD

That will be the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation Period (i.e., the "New World Order" of the Anti-Christ, the first half of which will be relatively peaceful, and the second half of which will be an iron-fisted rule of the Anti-Christ, who will declare himself to be God at mid-point).

6) THE BATTLE OF ARMAGGEDON:

Towards the end of the 7th year, nations such as Red China (and the rest of the "Kings of the East") will challenge the dictatorship of Anti-Christ's Europe-based New World Order and will begin to cross the Euphrates and make a move towards the valley of Meggido.
This battle, the battle of Armaggedon, will be the final global battle.
During the climax of this battle, celestial forces led by Jesus Christ (and accompanied by those who were "raptured") will descend and will destroy all earthly forces.

7) A THOUSAND YEAR REIGN OF JESUS CHRIST FROM ISRAEL

Jesus Christ will rule from Israel for a 1000 years. This is the Millenial Kingdom.

8) FINAL, MINOR REBELLION

At the end of the 1000 years, there will be a minor rebellion by the descendants of those who may have survived the Armaggedon and continued to procreate, thus having physical bodies. That minor rebellion will be crushed by God.

9) THE FINAL JUDGMENT

This is the gist of the events to occur in the near future, according to many of the so-called Fundamentalist, Dispensationalist, Evangelical, Pre-Millenial and Pre-Tribulational Christians.
http://www.rense.com/general72/ssome.htm

Boy, it's a good thing only those Muslims are crazy!



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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:03 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Can't we express our religious intolerance by making fun of Scientologists for a while?

Er *looks around* -- any Scientologists in here?

Furthermore, anyone who posts in this thread is just fanning the flames of ... FlameBlowers.



Hello,

I have heard that Scientology can cause ascension-descension disorder amongst celebrities who are within a certain radius of seating apparatus. The phenomenon was caught on camera once, and has been reviewed extensively by the community at large.

--Anthony

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki - The nuts at TBN aren't working on an arsenal of nukes to start lobbing around the mid - east,or Europe, or the US,... in hopes of drawing out the long lost Imam, from a deep well, somewhere in the world.

But by all means, tell us how it's only Christians we should be concerned about, and down play what is actually going on in the world.

Another 27 paragraph article about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING having to do w/ anything should do just fine.






" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:15 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Another 27 paragraph article about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING having to do w/ anything should do just fine.


Hello,

We are all still waiting for YOUR message of what you advocate, Mr. Raptor.

Or did I get it right already?

--Anthony


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Hi Raptor. Unfortunately this isn't altogether uncommon. It just doesn't get talked about because everyone wants to stick their heads in the sand and think that no one kills Christians anymore, I have news for you people it happens a lot more than you think.

I think you people are so distracted by your dislike of Raptor that your heads are all stuck up your ... yeah ... and refuse to look at an issue because he's the one who posted it, you've done it before, you are all shallow individuals who can't set aside your petty behavior to examine a problem for what it is, a person who is being condemned to death without having committed a viable crime.

Of course not all Muslims do this, but it happens more in Muslim countries than others these days, with a few exceptions. No it doesn't mean they're all evil or guilty, but it does mean that its an issue that bears examining and not ignoring, because when you ignore issues they sneak up on you and land in your space, then you wonder how it happened. This is true for extreme behavior of any sort, not just Muslims, but still to ignore that it happens a lot with them is childish and naive.

I do think Raptor's title was a bit too inflamatory, and you guys are so distractable it detracted from the actual issue being examined, he is to blame and you guys are to blame, all you people are to blame for the shananigans that go on here. And Anthony, Niki may think you're cute but I don't. And Raptor, you ought to say you're sorry for upsetting Quicko, because I think he really is upset and not just acting it to be a snot.

Is this all that humanity has to offer?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:24 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Hi Raptor. Unfortunately this isn't altogether uncommon. It just doesn't get talked about because everyone wants to stick their heads in the sand and think that no one kills Christians anymore, I have news for you people it happens a lot more than you think.

I think you people are so distracted by your dislike of Raptor that your heads are all stuck up your ... yeah ... and refuse to look at an issue because he's the one who posted it, you've done it before, you are all shallow individuals who can't set aside your petty behavior to examine a problem for what it is, a person who is being condemned to death without having committed a viable crime.

Of course not all Muslims do this, but it happens more in Muslim countries than others these days, with a few exceptions. No it doesn't mean they're all evil or guilty, but it does mean that its an issue that bears examining and not ignoring, because when you ignore issues they sneak up on you and land in your space, then you wonder how it happened. This is true for extreme behavior of any sort, not just Muslims, but still.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



Hello Riona,

After we examine the brutal acts of some Muslims around the world, what do you suggest we do then?

--Anthony


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


“I accept the fact that the President’s a Christian... I’m talking about the belief that man should be in charge of the earth and should have dominion over it and should be good stewards of it."



- Rick Santorum, Feb. 18, 2012


How is this markedly different from a Muslim saying that Islam should have dominion over the world? Rick Santorum clearly believes that HIS brand of Christianity should have dominion, and you're very eager to support that agenda.





"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:

And Raptor, you ought to say you're sorry for upsetting Quicko, because I think he really is upset and not just acting it to be a snot.




Not sure where you got the notion that Rappy has "upset" me. I was merely stating a fact. My father was murdered by his government - the government admits this now, admits responsibility and culpability; this thing happened - and Rappy has never expressed a moment's outrage that Americans - MILITARY PERSONNEL AND VETERANS - were fed wholesale into the gaping maw of corporate greed by their government.

I guess it's okay by him, just so long as none of those corporate CEO's are dirty, dirty Muslims, right?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire: And Raptor, you ought to say you're sorry for upsetting Quicko, because I think he really is upset and not just acting it to be a snot.

Is this all that humanity has to offer?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



In all honesty, I had no idea of his father's passing, or the manner. Had I known, I wouldn't have been so direct on making that point. ( Although I still see a vast distinction between this case and the tragedy of those who were affected by the use of agent orange, in Vietnam. I don't buy that they are comparable. )

I was attempting to personalize this issue, and remind all, that a wife her two sons will see their husband / father likely be put to death for the mere crime of choosing his religion.

Youcef Nadarkhani was arrested 2 years ago. Now that he is sentenced to death, the verdict can be carried out immediately, or weeks, months or even years down the road.

There are no formal paths of appeal.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:29 PM

OONJERAH



I do have a problem with some individual Muslims.

When a Muslim family emigrates to a western country, coming to it for the chance at a decent living ...
The kids adapt to the customs of their new home, but the parents don't. Honor killings of one's own daughters,
that horrifies me. Truly.

The fact that so many Muslims live in the west and do not practice this shows that the fanatics are the
exception, not the rule.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:47 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
If we'd just leave them alone, we'd all get along famously!



Quote:



Those close to the case of a Christian pastor in Iran who's facing a death sentence for refusing to recant his faith now fear he could be killed any day now.

The American Center for Law and Justice warned there is an "increased likelihood" that the execution order against Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani has been signed and could be carried out at any time.

"The likelihood that the Iranian regime will execute him increases by the day," ACLJ Executive Director Jordan Sekulow said.

He added that the situation is more "dire" than ever.

Sign the online petition urging more pressure on Iran to release Pastor Youcef Nararkhani and to dismiss his death sentence.

Meanwhile, several members of Congress have joined the fight to save Nadarkhani's life.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/February/Resolution-Condemns-Ira
n-for-Pastors-Death-Sentence
-/



Quote:



A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.

Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of *apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years.
It is unclear whether Nadarkhani can appeal the execution order.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/22/iran-court-convicts-christian-
pastor-convert-to-death
/




*Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined in Islam as the rejection in word or deed of one's former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam.



But hey, if they want to take over the world, and fly the flag of Islam over the White House, " so what! ", right ?



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



So let's say you get your wish and the White House is yours (Mitt, Newt, Rush, whomever), what would you want them to do about this particular incident?
And Iran? Syria? I am genuinely curious because it seems like a lot of what I hear is just anti almost everything, even between Rep. candidates. Let's say I'm an Undecided and I want to know how you'd handle these world issues.
?

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:10 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hey, I'm all for a godless run govt, I really am. But when our dear leader has a god complex himself, and or his dutiful followers in the MSM all but CALL him god... I'm not real sure that's a hell of a lot different.



You don't watch the MSM do you?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

You don't watch the MSM do you?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



You're not suggesting that they don't absolutely adore and worship the man, are you ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

You don't watch the MSM do you?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



You're not suggesting that they don't absolutely adore and worship the man, are you ?




If you consider calling him the antichrist to be "love", you have more problems than we thought!



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:45 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Yup, Rappy showing his Islamophobia again.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Is that what the wife and 2 young sons of the condemned man can call it too ?

He deprived no one of their life, liberty or property. He committed no fraud or act of treason. And yet he's charged and may very well lose his life.

Quote:

What is your point? That religious nutjobs are barbaric? That people in other countries do bad things?

This is news to nobody, so what are you trying to convey?

--Anthony



The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



So let's say you get your wish and the White House is yours (Mitt, Newt, Rush, whomever), what would you want them to do about this particular incident?



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Friday, February 24, 2012 7:08 AM

CAVETROLL


Christian Pastor sentenced to death in Iran for not changing religion to islam.

Honor killings in the US by islamics.

Islamics in Egypt persecuting coptic christians.

Indonesia restricts religion to six "recognized" religions.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/22/indonesia-attacks-on-religious-m
inorities-remain-largely-unchallenged-by-justice-institutions
/

Kazakh government bans 579 religions.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/24/kazakh-government-to-ban-579-chu
rches-and-religious-communities
/

UK christian woman denied rights given to muslim co-workers.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/22/uk-christian-woman-denied-rights
-given-to-a-muslim-over-work-days
/

Mob in Lahore attempts to abduct a christian teacher over an alleged burning of a koran.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/24/christian-teacher-accused-of-bla
sphemy-in-lahore
/

In Pakistan, a christian church is attacked by islamics.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/23/islamic-extremists-storm-a-churc
h-in-pakistan-wound-two-believer


Christian churches in Nigeria bombed by islamics.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/22/two-churches-targeted-in-bomb-at
tack-in-nigeria
/

The islamic religious policy of jizyah. Look it up.

A 1 minute search. Do you think there's a pattern here? Santorum and other christian fundamentalists in the US may talk a hard line, but they're not bombing mosques or temples or abducting islamics and jews.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 7:43 AM

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CaveTroll - your search turned up the same web site. Looking at their site it appears like they may not be the most objective source:

http://www.persecution.org/about-us/the-problem/

The Problem
The Hidden Battle
Jeff King, ICC President

"All over the world, a war is being fought. It’s not a war that you will see on CNN, or on the cover of Time magazine.

It isn't even one you can see with your physical eyes. It is a spiritual war, where the gospel of Jesus Christ is spreading into and throughout all the nations while the world and unseen spiritual forces battle back to keep out the light. Who are on the frontlines of this war? Your brothers and sisters.

In this past century alone, more Christians were murdered for their faith than any other century in human history, an estimated 200 million. The persecuted church suffers in the forefront of this war in order that the church might be established where the gospel is either non-existent or oppressed by other religions.

From Indonesia, to India, to the Horn of Africa, believers are economically marginalized, denied education for their children, beaten, tortured, raped, imprisoned and sadly even murdered for their faith. The oppression is limitless, and usually unseen by the world. Visit our persecuted countries page to see where the majority of persecution takes place.

Jesus has called the body of Christ to stand up for our hurting brothers and sisters. How do we help?"

Me: I imagine that a similar web site for Muslims/Arabs might post about all the killings by Christians throughout the Middle East.

I don't think anyone is particularly innocent here.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 8:25 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Santorum and other christian fundamentalists in the US may talk a hard line, but they're not bombing mosques or temples or abducting islamics and jews.


Only because crazy bastards like me stand in the way, because our laws stand in their way, because our people, many of them, stand in the way.

And they DO mean to *eliminate* those "problems" if they ever have the ability or means to do so, historically religion and genocide are so closely in concert they are almost indistinguishable.

Doesn't mean I have any liking for them assholes over THERE
----->
But we got assholes over HERE in plenty
<----
Who would do the same thing if folks like me didn't fight with tooth and claw rabidity to prevent it, so why exactly should I worry about a bunch of pissants thousands of miles away who are no IMMINENT threat when some other pack of pissants has already invaded and begun to distort our very law, our very society ?

And also, when folks stand up to them assholes in their own countries - you know what we do, have done ?
Arm and support the motherfuckers who kill em, that's what - The Shah, Osama, Saddam, Karazi....
So how exactly do you think we're preventing anything when we're the dickheads who armed and backed these fundamentalist crazies to begin with in most cases ?

The dichotomy of so called logic here is appalling.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 9:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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so why exactly should I worry about a bunch of pissants thousands of miles away who are no IMMINENT threat when some other pack of pissants has already invaded and begun to distort our very law, our very society ?
Well said, Frem.

I will ask again the question posed (repeatedly) by Anthony: What are we supposed to DO about it? One can hate an entire sector/religion, nobody can stop that. One can be totally obsessed by their paranoia/hatred of an entire sector/religion, nobody can stop that. NOBODY has their heads up their asses; we all know all too well that there are extremists out there willing to do harm. But Alt.Univ.'s purpose in posting whatever he can find that disses MUSLIMS, not extremists, serves no purpose. Supposedly Homeland Security is doing its job and protecting us...why keep focusing on extremists thousands of miles away? Not one single person here can DO anything about it--except perhaps hate all Muslims, as it appears Alt.Univ. wants us to do (?) or feels we should do (?) or whatever.

There is, meanwhile, a very real and concrete danger happening in our OWN country--extremists of the Christian type--who are changing our laws, imposing their will on us, and DO want to take over our country (if not the world), and who are going about it in a very real fashion. I'd rather focus on the danger at hand, thank you, because there are things we can DO about it. Like stop them from passing their egregious laws, get them out of governmet, out of power, CHANGE those laws as soon as we can, OPPOSE their efforts to impose their will on us, etc.

Anthony's question is right on point. There is something in between ignoring and being obsessive, Riona, it's called common sense. Obsession is finding articles about England or Jews and posting them with ridiculous titles (PN); obsession is finding articles and posting titles dissing someone totally unrelated to the story (Zit); obsession is hunting up horrible things done by Muslims and using them to condemn an entire religion and anyone who practices it (Alt. Univ.). Do these things serve any purpose beyond getting attention and showing the mental compulsions of the posters?

Posting about egregious things done in our own country by those in power, on the other hand, DOES bring to light things which might otherwise go unnoticed which affect US individually and which we might do something ABOUT, such as voting, demonstrating, writing letters to those who supposedly represent us. We can have (some) control over our own government; we can have none over governments and religions outside America, unless we want to bomb them, which we frequently do. Unless we finance others to get rid of them, which, yes in too many cases has resulted in just as bad--or worse--situations.

Just as an aside; yes, the last Shah of Afghanistan was a good man, a forward-thinking man who was trying to bring his country into the twentieth century, slowly, in ways they would have accepted. He wasn't perfect, and he was a "dictator" in some ways (tho' Afghanistan is so fractured he knew his would never be a "central government"--something we have yet to grasp. It was Russia who took him out, so we armed others to take THEM out, and now look what we've got. Our interference in many countries has had negative consequences.

Is Alt. Univ. suggesting we should bomb ALL MUSLIMS and every Muslim country? Invade all Muslim countries like we invaded Iraq--and look how much good THAT did! Otherwise, what actions does he want us to take exactly to eradicate these things he posts? He wants us to hate; we all get that. But beyond hating (which accomplishes nothing, and would make us hate those individuals mentioned here who are decent human beings and just happen to be Muslim), what does it accomplish? I would say "venting his own frustration", except the way he phrases/titles these anti-Islamic threads indicates clearly that he wants us to do SOMETHING (especially when accompanied by the repeated accusation that we're ignoring them). Does he just want us to hate, like he does? He won't accomplish that, thankfully. So what else, if not just that? Does he have some point? We're perfectly well aware of these things, and like offering each different atrocity committed in the Holocaust, they just become repetitive wastes of time. Saying we're hiding our heads in the sand is ridicuous...if there is a person in American unaware of Muslim atrocities, I sure don't know them. The question is; if you want to keep obsessing about them, then offer a SOLUTION. Just posting "See? See? See how awful Muslims are?" is only a expression of his own obsession. It merely instigates others to argue on the side of rational thinking. Period. Which is maybe what he wants, I dunno.

Offering news on the egregious actions and laws happening in our OWN country, on the other hand, brings to people's awareness things which actually threaten us, TODAY, RIGHT NOW, and about which we can hopefully take some kind of action.



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Friday, February 24, 2012 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
CaveTroll - your search turned up the same web site. Looking at their site it appears like they may not be the most objective source:




Are any of the linked sources demonstrably false? If you are objecting to their spin, everyone puts spin on stories. If they're all linked from the same source you can at least subtract the spin.

I take it you couldn't be troubled to look up jizyah?

And yes, christians can be zealots too. Fortunately we have the 1st amendment to control zealotry here. And when that fails we have the 2nd amendment.

No armed person can be a victim unless they will it.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 11:16 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
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No armed person can be a victim unless they will it.





Hello,

That's rather patently false. Being armed only improves your chances of resistance. It does not guarantee that you won't be victimized.

Armed people are victimized every day.

--Anthony

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