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Friday, February 17, 2012 9:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


It shows the attitude quite clearly, apologies notwithstanding:
Quote:

Rick Santorum backer Foster Friess apologized Friday for a now-viral comment he made Thursday about contraception.

"After listening to the segment ... I can understand how I confused people with the way I worded the joke and their taking offense is very understandable," Friess wrote in a blog post.

His apology came after Republican presidential candidate Santorum distanced himself from the statement and women's advocacy groups criticized the billionaire mutual fund manager.
.....
Friess joked Thursday that women used Bayer aspirin as birth control "back in (his) days."

"The gals put it between their knees, and it wasn't that costly," he said on MSNBC.

Later Thursday Friess, who has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to a pro-Santroum super PAC, said it was a joke and suggesting aspirin as a form of contraception "is pretty ridiculous and quite funny."

Santorum said Friday he is not responsible for comments from a donor and accused the media of "gotcha politics."

"It was a bad joke, it was a stupid joke. It's not reflective of me or my record on this issue," Santorum said on CBS "This Morning." "This is the same gotcha politics that you get from the media and I'm just not going to play that game." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/17/friess-apologizes-for-
contraception-comment/

Boy, they just love that term: "Gotcha politics" (thank you Ms. Half-Term). It's not about that at all, he made the statement and it reflects his attitude clearly...women are unimportant, and unintended pregnancies are completely their responsibility.

It's obvious in that if someone on the left made a similar offhand joke about religion, they'd be out with their shotguns, but hey, it's just about women so it's no biggie. I'm getting damned sick and tired of this attitude and how it's becoming more and more publicly prevalent on the right recently. Silly me, I thought we'd left the fifties behind! I'm almost ready to donate to Santorum's campaign; if he gets the nomination, the American people will SLAUGHTER him!

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Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Was he suggesting women should keep their legs closed?

--Anthony



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Friday, February 17, 2012 9:55 AM

NIKI2

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Yeah, that was the gist of it. Heard the same joke from my mom years ago; apparently it dates back to both their "eras". Which I thought were history...silly me.



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Friday, February 17, 2012 10:07 AM

STORYMARK


I think we're past the point where calling them "conservative" is even applicable. They're regressionists.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, February 17, 2012 10:15 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I think we're past the point where calling them "conservative" is even applicable. They're regressionists.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Hello,

That seems accurate. They want a return to a 'golden' past, instead of the forging of a brighter future.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 17, 2012 10:33 AM

NIKI2

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I think we're past the point where calling them "conservative" is even applicable. They're regressionists.





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Friday, February 17, 2012 10:40 AM

STORYMARK


Ouch.

What, you couldn't find a "Good job, Man" smiley??

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:03 AM

BYTEMITE


It's the internet, rules and roles are looser.

Personally I thought Niki really rocked the sincerity-level there. I'm considering trying that on my male relatives because it's awesome.

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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:17 AM

NIKI2

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Story...you're MALE?!? I could have sworn all this time you were female...

But if you insist, we aim to please:

Byte, whaddIdo? WhaddIdo? I wanna know...a positive is something to be treasured! What are you consider trying on your relatives? Do tell...!

--I reeeely got to get off this damned computer...longest I've stayed on for ages (probably 'cuz little or no Rap around), time to get something USEFUL done!



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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:19 AM

BYTEMITE


Saying to them, "you go girl" with sincerity mode on. It's just too amazing to not try.

I've always delighted in mixing up social expectations like this, but in a not-malicious way.

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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sigh...okay, prize for first giggle of the day goes to Byte...I can just envision it, and have to remember that! Thanx; I thought this would be a giggle-free day, and here, at the last minute, Byte comes through for me!



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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:32 AM

BYTEMITE


Something is wrong?

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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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Harmless little joke that that MSM blew completely out of proportion.

Funny, no one held Obama to anywhere near the same standard w/ Rev Wright, who has yet to apologize for ANYTHING he said.

Classic Left wing bias, on parade.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:51 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Mr. Raptor,

Is telling women that they should keep their legs closed funny? The joke teller must have thought so, hence conveying something of their value system.

--Anthony



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Friday, February 17, 2012 11:52 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny, no one held Obama to anywhere near the same standard w/ Rev Wright, who has yet to apologize for ANYTHING he said.



Hello,

No one did? Umm, what forum were you on?

I heard about nothing else for a month.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 17, 2012 12:31 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Mr. Raptor,

Is telling women that they should keep their legs closed funny? The joke teller must have thought so, hence conveying something of their value system.

--Anthony




I never said it was funny, I said it was harmless. And Santorum shouldn't have to answer 1 damn thing about what this guy said, nor should Friess have apologized at all.

Has Maxine Waters apologized for calling Speaker Boehner a 'demon' ? And that wasn't even a joke on her part, she was being serious.

Complete and total double standard.

And no, Anthony, you didn't hear anywhere near the condemnation of Rev Wright, by the MSM, for what he said, nor did Obama ever apologize. Both were given a complete pass.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 17, 2012 12:39 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

The Jeremiah Wright controversy is an American political issue that gained national attention in March 2008 when ABC News, after reviewing dozens of U.S. Presidential candidate Barack Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright's sermons,[1] excerpted parts which were subject to intense media scrutiny.[2][3] Wright is a retired senior pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and former pastor of President Obama.[4] Obama denounced the statements in question, but after critics continued to press the issue of his relationship with Wright he gave a speech titled "A More Perfect Union", in which he sought to place Dr. Wright's comments in a historical and sociological context. In the speech, Obama again denounced Wright's remarks, but did not disown him as a person. The controversy began to fade, but was renewed in late April when Wright made a series of media appearances, including an interview on Bill Moyers Journal, a speech at the NAACP and a speech at the National Press Club.[5] After the last of these, Obama spoke more forcefully against his former pastor, saying that he was "outraged" and "saddened" by his behavior, and in May he resigned his membership in the church.[6]

ETA: I wonder if there will be an article on wikipedia called the Friess Controversy, since it's getting so much more attention than the Reverend and Obama. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy

ETA2: I wonder if ABC is a main stream media source?

ETA3: I wonder if Mr. Raptor will admit that this was indeed a big friggin deal when it came out?

--Anthony


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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 17, 2012 12:55 PM

AURAPTOR

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Obama never had to deal w/ it. He never was REPEATEDLY asked by a reporter, as Mr Santorum was, to comment on something Rev Wright said. And keep in mind, Rev Wright was Obama's pastor for 20+ years, officiated his wedding, baptized the Obama girls... who the hell is Friess ?

Santorum's campaign manager ? Nope

His PR official? Nope

He's just some random guy who supports Santorum , and merely repeated an age old , harmless joke. He didn't make any reference to Hillary not being called a nigger, he didn't say god DAMN America, he didn't say that women who get knocked up had it comin' to them , or that the 'chickens are coming home... to roost!'

My god, the sense of proportion w/the MSM, the total LACK of attention given to 1 candidate, while eviscerating another, absolutely defies all reason.

ETA - From Wikipedia

Quote:

While being interviewed by Andrea Mitchell in the context of his political involvement, Friess dismissed the importance of his candidate's stances on social issues. Friess was asked about Santorum's beliefs on social issues such as abortion and gay rights, which have led many to question his viability in a general election. "I get such a chuckle when these things come out," he said. He added, "We have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex -- I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are." Friess then turned to contraception. "This contraceptive thing, my gosh it's such [sic] inexpensive. Back in my days, they used Bayer Aspirin for contraception. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly," he said, to a bewildered Andrea Mitchell


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Friess#Political_activism


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 17, 2012 1:11 PM

WHOZIT


It was an unfunny joke, Bill Maher tells them all time.......get over it.

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Friday, February 17, 2012 1:14 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama never had to deal w/ it. He never was REPEATEDLY asked by a reporter, as Mr Santorum was, to comment on something Rev Wright said. And keep in mind, Rev Wright was Obama's pastor for 20+ years, officiated his wedding, baptized the Obama girls... who the hell is Friess ?

Santorum's campaign manager ? Nope

His PR official? Nope

He's just some random guy who supports Santorum , and merely repeated an age old , harmless joke. He didn't make any reference to Hillary not being called a nigger, he didn't say god DAMN America, he didn't say that women who get knocked up had it comin' to them , or that the 'chickens are coming home... to roost!'

My god, the sense of proportion w/the MSM, the total LACK of attention given to 1 candidate, while eviscerating another, absolutely defies all reason.

ETA - From Wikipedia

Quote:

While being interviewed by Andrea Mitchell in the context of his political involvement, Friess dismissed the importance of his candidate's stances on social issues. Friess was asked about Santorum's beliefs on social issues such as abortion and gay rights, which have led many to question his viability in a general election. "I get such a chuckle when these things come out," he said. He added, "We have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex -- I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are." Friess then turned to contraception. "This contraceptive thing, my gosh it's such [sic] inexpensive. Back in my days, they used Bayer Aspirin for contraception. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly," he said, to a bewildered Andrea Mitchell


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Friess#Political_activism


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




Hello,

I don't understand your complete disconnect from reality in terms of the Wright controversy when you say things like "Obama never had to deal w/ it." That kind of statement is just staggering. I'm not even sure how to respond. Considering an entire speech was given, public statements made, and a church affiliation changed based on the Wright controversy, saying Obama never had to deal with it is stunning.

On the matter of Mr. Friess, I agree that Mr. Friess is not associated with Mr. Santorum beyond his impressive support for the candidate. However, it's bizarre that you think Mr. Santorum shouldn't be asked if he agrees with this major supporter's viewpoint, since major supporters are often assumed to have common perspectives with their chosen candidates.

--Anthony







_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 17, 2012 1:44 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I don't understand your complete disconnect from reality in terms of the Wright controversy when you say things like "Obama never had to deal w/ it." That kind of statement is just staggering. I'm not even sure how to respond. Considering an entire speech was given, public statements made, and a church affiliation changed based on the Wright controversy, saying Obama never had to deal with it is stunning.

On the matter of Mr. Friess, I agree that Mr. Friess is not associated with Mr. Santorum beyond his impressive support for the candidate. However, it's bizarre that you think Mr. Santorum shouldn't be asked if he agrees with this major supporter's viewpoint, since major supporters are often assumed to have common perspectives with their chosen candidates.

--Anthony




2nd point first. Mr Santorum didn't make the comment. It wasn't said at any function in which he was in attendance. It's not HIS issue to answer. This is 100% a phony, made up bunch of CRAP , by the MSM, for the sole purpose of vilifying a GOP candidate, for NOTHING he said.

Want Santorum's view on contraception ? Check his voting record. THAT is all that should matter when dealing w/ the candidate and this issue. NOTHING MORE.

1st point - Obama skated from having to deal w/ the Wright issue. Wright was working WITH the campaign, appointed by Obama himself. His 'church' affiliation? Obama didn't distance himself or break ties w/ RJW upon the news breaking of his hateful rhetoric. Obama just made some smart ass comment about how everyone says stupid stuff, from time to time. And Wright never apologized. For anything.

Then RJW doubled down on his hateful speech, at comments made at the naacp meeting. Obama made some jack off remark about this 'not sounding like the Rev he heard for the previous 20 years', when in fact it was EXACTLY the same.

And to compare to the litany of hateful, asinine and divisive speech that Rev Wright spewed, for YEARS, to the single, off the cuff ,innocent joke, made by Friess, only shows at just how far the Left wing media will go to vilify a GOP candidate.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 17, 2012 1:58 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

And to compare to the litany of hateful, asinine and divisive speech that Rev Wright spewed, for YEARS, to the single, off the cuff ,innocent joke, made by Friess, only shows at just how far the Left wing media will go to vilify a GOP candidate.



Hello,

Curious. YOU made the comparison, here in this thread.

Quote:

Funny, no one held Obama to anywhere near the same standard w/ Rev Wright, who has yet to apologize for ANYTHING he said.


Then, after making the rediculous assertion that Obama 'didn't have to deal with it' (an assertion that continues to boggle) you railed at the Left Wing Media for comparing this to the Wright Controversy, which is a comparison you made, apparently so that you could then argue against such comparisons.

For my own part, I'm glad the offensive man has apologized for his offensive joke, and I am glad if Santorum doesn't share the opinions of this major supporter.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 17, 2012 2:08 PM

OONJERAH



How many men does it take to open a beer can?

None. The beer is supposed to be open when she brings it to him.

(Why am I so OT?
'Cause my jokes are funnier than Friess'.)


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Friday, February 17, 2012 2:21 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

How many men does it take to open a beer can?

None. The beer is supposed to be open when she brings it to him.

(Why am I so OT?
'Cause my jokes are funnier than Friess'.)




True story.

I actually opened a beer for a girl/ friend of mine, and handed it to her, while we were at a concert.

She looked at me in disbelief, as if I had committed some social faux pas.

She was from up north, and apparently, wasn't use to basic southern good manners.

And Anthony, I was showing the glaring hypocrisy, and not equating the two situations, as you are.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 17, 2012 2:50 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

not equating the two situations, as you are.


Hello,

Excuse me? I equated the situations? It was YOU who brought up the Reverend, out of left field. I only responded to your flabbergasting statements. At no point do I suggest any equality between the two events, but rather refuted your erroneous assertions about the Wright Controversy. Wright would not even be in this thread at all if you hadn't brought him here.

--Anthony





_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 17, 2012 3:03 PM

OONJERAH



I should remember the aspirin joke from my youth, but I do not. Hearing it now, it's more offensive than harmless.

When young, I didn't notice such things and took them as normal, amusing. Sometimes, I even repeated jokes slurring
women. The Women's Lib Movement was full steam ahead for a while before I ever got a clue.

I remember sitting drunk in a bar one night & a guy was telling mean jokes about women. Suddenly, to my surprise,
I began to cry. Like, "How can they hate us so?"


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Friday, February 17, 2012 3:24 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I think there are several factors involved.

1) Men spend a significant portion of their time preoccupied with the desire for women.

2) Women are often confusing to men.

3) If Men could control women, they wouldn't have to understand them or negotiate on equal terms.

4) Some Men found that abuse (verbal/physical/societal) allowed them to control women without having to understand them thoroughly, while also providing an outlet for their frustrations regarding items 1 and 2.

I don't think this is entirely one-sided, as I've seen women use abuse and manipulative tactics to get what they want from Men as well. This would make it a human failing.

I think that Historically, Women have tended to rely on Men for defense and provision, which gave Men a distinct advantage in terms of structuring society and societal norms in their (Men's) favor. Even when this was no longer the case, Men had already programmed societal norms to make it the status quo. This illusion was relatively easy to maintain until WWII, when it could no longer be suggested that Women needed Men for daily survival and productivity. The trickling of women into protection based careers began to demonstrate that women could even defend themselves.

Now, women have demonstrated that they can perform all functions necessary for survival in society, and need Men only as companions and equals. Men, naturally, are having trouble adjusting to this changing dynamic. This is especially evident in older generations and their holdover attitudes towards women. I expect it will be another generation or two until women and men are functionally equal in society, and Men no longer resent this new dynamic, having grown up thinking it to be normal. I myself gladly champion women's rights, but I realize that I suffer from holdover 'chivalric' teachings that reinforce gender inequality under the title of 'good manners.' My son's son will probably be free from this programming. It will no longer be a societal norm, and he will probably grow up ignorant of it.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 17, 2012 6:16 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

How many men does it take to open a beer can?

None. The beer is supposed to be open when she brings it to him.

(Why am I so OT?
'Cause my jokes are funnier than Friess'.)




True story.

I actually opened a beer for a girl/ friend of mine, and handed it to her, while we were at a concert.

She looked at me in disbelief, as if I had committed some social faux pas.

She was from up north, and apparently, wasn't use to basic southern good manners.

And Anthony, I was showing the glaring hypocrisy, and not equating the two situations, as you are.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Actually, there's a far simpler reason nowadays why a guy should never, ever do this for a girl.

Roofies. If you bring a girl an open drink, she doesn't know if you or someone else did something to it. (And you might not either)

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Friday, February 17, 2012 6:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I don't understand your complete disconnect from reality in terms of the Wright controversy when you say things like "Obama never had to deal w/ it." That kind of statement is just staggering. I'm not even sure how to respond. Considering an entire speech was given, public statements made, and a church affiliation changed based on the Wright controversy, saying Obama never had to deal with it is stunning.

On the matter of Mr. Friess, I agree that Mr. Friess is not associated with Mr. Santorum beyond his impressive support for the candidate. However, it's bizarre that you think Mr. Santorum shouldn't be asked if he agrees with this major supporter's viewpoint, since major supporters are often assumed to have common perspectives with their chosen candidates.

--Anthony




2nd point first. Mr Santorum didn't make the comment. It wasn't said at any function in which he was in attendance. It's not HIS issue to answer. This is 100% a phony, made up bunch of CRAP , by the MSM, for the sole purpose of vilifying a GOP candidate, for NOTHING he said.



Santorum didn't make the comment. Neither did Obama make the comments attributed to Jeremiah Wright. Yet here you are, years later, STILL demanding that Obama apologize for not making those comments, and bewildered that he hasn't apologized for what he didn't say.

Quote:


Want Santorum's view on contraception ? Check his voting record. THAT is all that should matter when dealing w/ the candidate and this issue. NOTHING MORE.



You're right - Santorum does not believe in the aspirin-between-the-knees method of birth control, because he doesn't believe in contraception of any kind at all. Rape babies are a gift from god and should be worshipped like the baby Jesus (himself a rape baby of sorts)! That's Santorum's view.

Quote:


1st point - Obama skated from having to deal w/ the Wright issue. Wright was working WITH the campaign, appointed by Obama himself. His 'church' affiliation? Obama didn't distance himself or break ties w/ RJW upon the news breaking of his hateful rhetoric. Obama just made some smart ass comment about how everyone says stupid stuff, from time to time. And Wright never apologized. For anything.



And Santorum is trying to "skate" from having to deal with the Freiss issue. Freiss *IS* working with Santorum's campaign, is he not, given the fact that he's the main money donor behind the campaign?



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, February 17, 2012 7:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:

Actually, there's a far simpler reason nowadays why a guy should never, ever do this for a girl.

Roofies. If you bring a girl an open drink, she doesn't know if you or someone else did something to it. (And you might not either)



They were her beers. She saw me grab it from the cooler. We were tailgating with a bunch of HER friends. It was broad day light. And we were FRIENDS...

Nice safety tip, but it didn't apply here. She actually said something to the effect, after her surprise subsided, " Oh, right... this is the South " , or some such. I didn't really think anything of it.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 17, 2012 7:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Kwickie, you're wrong on all counts, as usual.

It's not just Obama who needed to apologize for Wright's 20 years of racism and bigotry he preached from the church, it's the MEDIA'S fault for not grilling Obama as they did Santorum.

Santorum didn't sit in Friess's church for 20+ years , so he has nothing to apologize for when it comes to something Friess said. With Wright and the TUCoC, Obama gave his implicit approval, for all those years, by NOT leaving until well into the '08 campaign. Before then...hell, it was all fine!


How can Santorum be all for 'rape babies' when he's actually voted FOR contraception funding, even for foreign aid ? You see, his actual voting record doesn't mirror his PERSONAL beliefs. Apparently, Santorum can live his life like a religious nut, but not legislate like one. Imagine that.

And yes, Santorum should 'skate'. Friess is NOT a paid or volunteer worker for the Santorum campaign.

So, all aboard the FAIL bus, Kwickie. You've earned a 1 way ticket to Fail Town!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 17, 2012 8:56 PM

BYTEMITE


Well, see, this is why I don't date or go outside or drink. Because this is the kind of thing I think of.

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Another silly threadjack. You know he's reaching when he has to go all the way back to Wright to think he's found a comparison!

The irony of all this is that Santorum DOES want women to use the "aspirin between the knees" form of birth control...unless they want to make a baby with their husbands. I think that's what caused it to make such a fush, the things Santorum has said all along concerning his feelings about "contraception". That one of his major backers said it right out loud is what grabbed people's attention. Santorum would never be so stupid as to say it, which is why he has to distance himself. But anyone who's followed his speeches knows it's how he feels.

In Obama's case...which isn't even relevant...someone who was not contributing to his campaign said some horrible things which Obama has proven long ago he doesn't believe, while Santorum's own words and actions show he DOES believe what Frieze (sp? I always think of Foster's Freeze...!) said.



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Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Niki wrongly stated...

The irony of all this is that Santorum DOES want women to use the "aspirin between the knees" form of birth control...unless they want to make a baby with their husbands. I think that's what caused it to make such a fush, the things Santorum has said all along concerning his feelings about "contraception".



And where Santorum ACTUALLY stands on the matter....

“As far as contraception, if you look at my voting record, I have a voting record that supports . . . funding for contraception, both domestically, as well as internationally,” Santorum said. “And I would not support any law that would put any restrictions on that.”

There's no irony here , what so ever. But allowing contraception and forcing it to be GIVEN away, are entirely 2 separate issues.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:27 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, see, this is why I don't date or go outside or drink. Because this is the kind of thing I think of.


I had to explain that one to Wendy, what they are, what they do, and why men would do such a thing...

Hilarious conversation followed with commentary from some of the female guards about to go on shift who ain't too pleased about my strict anti-fraternization policy.

I think imma make my OWN coffee for a while...



-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


And where Santorum ACTUALLY stands on the matter....

“As far as contraception, if you look at my voting record, I have a voting record that supports . . . funding for contraception, both domestically, as well as internationally,” Santorum said. “And I would not support any law that would put any restrictions on that.”

There's no irony here , what so ever. But allowing contraception and forcing it to be GIVEN away, are entirely 2 separate issues.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "


And here is another quote -

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:49 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”



Yeah, it's all pretty clear. This whole battle over contraception is all about controlling women. They put the baby concern on it, but that's not it.

Dinosaurs. Their time is over.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:02 PM

BYTEMITE


"It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

I think the problem is that they continually make the naturalistic fallacy.

Specifically this statement says to me that they think that sex is supposed to lead to pregnancy, regardless of social context or the needs of that society. Because that is the natural function of sex, that is all it should ever be used for.

This then creates the objections that they have with homosexuality, and also against blurring of gender roles. To them, women can't take regular contraception because that is not what is "meant" "naturally" for women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

Sometimes sex doesn't lead to pregnancy, but still has an important function. Homosexuality/ bisexuality, for example, or when a woman is pregnant and needs reassurance about her desireability. In all of these cases, it can serve as a bonding exercise, not a baby-making exercise. And bonding is essential for survival. It's not good, it's not bad. But for some people it is very important.

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:55 PM

OONJERAH



Quote ByteMite: "they think that sex is supposed to lead to pregnancy" &
"This then creates the objections that they have with homosexuality"

They are men. They may think that sex is supposed to lead to pregnancy with their wives, but
certainly Not their mistresses.

Homosexuality may seem unnatural to most people.
Imagine I'm a teenaged girl; a friend tells me, "Y'know Mary and Liz make love to each other."
Having never heard or thought of it myself, I say, "Whaaaat?! Are you serious?"
Imagine I'm a teenaged boy; a friend tells me, "Y'know Joe and Bill have sex with each other."
I say, "You liar! No one could want to do that!"
(I know. Most people learn of its existence well before the age of 10. I didn't.)

If one is not homosexual, the notion of it may come as a shock.
Later perhaps I find out that the Old Testament recommends offing them for an unspeakable sin.

Please don't assume I'm a homophobe. When I learned as above about Mary and Liz, I quickly accepted it,
thinking, "well, it can do no harm."
Do I now defend their right to be homosexual? Yep.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:53 PM

BYTEMITE


Not necessarily men.

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:18 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Not necessarily men.



OK. Thread began with a "joke" by Foster Friess. Continued with Rick Santorum attempt to escape the fallout.

StoryMark: "I think we're past the point where calling them "conservative" is even applicable. They're regressionists."

Auraptor: "Harmless little joke that that MSM blew completely out of proportion." Then dragged Rev. Wright into it.

A Santorum statement provided by MagonsDaughter: "One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked
about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have
said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is
counter to how things are supposed to be."

Mal4Prez: "Yeah, it's all pretty clear. This whole battle over contraception is all about controlling women. They
put the baby concern on it, but that's not it."

When MP said "They," I leapt to "all the damn, super-right, MCP conservatives" whom I think of as men. <= They
also refers to Friess and Santorum, of whom we were speaking.
You're right. It's not just men. Fortunately, it's not even most men.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Yeah, it's all pretty clear. This whole battle over contraception is all about controlling women. They put the baby concern on it, but that's not it.


That too - but you miss the big picture.
The primary issue is that they don't see women as HUMAN BEINGS.
To these sick bastards women are just convenient sextoys and baby factors for spawning more of them.

Again, the issue ain't so much womens rights, as that it is terribly offensive to them that women HAVE rights, and so because they cannot successfully press a direct attack not only cause the women *can*, having rights, fight back, but because their fellow men are not all throwback regressive cretins like they are, and some of them, self-included, will not only refuse to take their side but will dig in their heels and fight for equality themselves, oh the horror, the horror...

And so they go to the only straw left to grasp when one wishes to turn back the clock and wreck civilization - religion.
Worse, the religion is just a front with them, as is obvious by the apalling hypocrisy and lack of any kind of enlightenment worth a mention amongst them, so it's just a convenient excuse.

The notion here is to cripple women, to hobble them, socially and politically, and keep them from competing by either forcing them to carry an unwanted pregnancy or cast them out and socially ostracise them for not doing so, as well as commit them to wasting time and effort trying not to be pushed back so they don't make any progress forward - so to them it's win-win so long as measures like this bullshit are even on the table, you see.

Cause if it really WAS about the things they claim, many of them would not be all set and fired AGAINST access and availability of contraception, AGAINST proper sexual education, and they are - thus directly and intentionally, with malice aforethought, helping create the very situation they decry, and yet almost no one but me ever seems to call them out on this, something which annoys me greatly cause failing to do so also them fails to show the scope of how this is a complete set-up from the beginning.

Also, y'all ain't thought about the endgame here - what right above all others do women have that offends them so, what right would they revoke if they only could ?
By making abortion illegal, a felony, and then streamlining women into committing that crime by necessity it then allows these regressive cretins the potential for depriving women of the right to vote en-masse, and then from THERE, sans that resistance, they can shove women back into that niche of chattel where our children currently reside, you see ?
Which is one reason I am hell bent on removing that stupid niche in the first place and having all human beings considered to BE human beings, legally and socially - rather than regarded as property.
Ergo if I am fighting to drag young people out of it, you can be damn sure I'll fight like a tiger to keep anyone from being shoved back in - it's a moral duty and part of a natural progression in the drive to have the personhood of all beings respected.

(1)Note: Equality - Now yes I am bloody well aware that some women and some organisations seem far more bent on revenge than equality, and indeed I have butted heads with a few...
Generally I'll not act against them, revenge can be in it's own way theraputic, but be damned if *I* will ever stand there and play victim for em cause *I*, personally, ain't done nothin to em they got any right to be mad about and if my gender alone offends them then they ain't no better than the other side.
You don't win fights like this by burning the castle down behind you, yanno ?

(2)Note: The Forever-Felony Mark of Doom - This offends me terribly, revocation of the right to vote is equivalent to making someone an un-person, if you remove all of their civil rights, the right of self defense/bearing arms, the right to vote, other socially-necessary abilities, you might as well have killed em, and perpetual punishment is worse than the death penalty cause it continues so long as life.
The notion of punishing someone FOREVER gives lie to even the concept of their debt to society being paid, a form of social indentured servitude which all but inevitably condemns them to return to criminal activity by necessity for what else remains for them ?

Anyhows, that's my somewhat redundant take on the matter.
Quote:

“There are two great powers, and they’ve been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit.”

I KNOW which side of that I serve, and which side they do is obvious.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
And here is another quote -

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”



And your point for posting this ? It doesn't in the least debunk the fact that he's still voted to fund some contraception, he's never moved to have it outlawed, he's just stating his own personal beliefs. You've added literally nothing to this discussion.

But to the point, this once again shows that an individual can have their own personal views on such matters as contraception, but not wish to impose them on anyone else. His view of Christianity is one chosen, and not mandated by Washington D.C. Don't agree w/ that view? Don't want to live your life like that ? Fine, then don't! Some of you are trying to paint this issues as if he's supporting Sharia law, which he isn't.

Ironic, a bit, considering how 'tolerant' some think of themselves, yet that tolerance sure does seem to come and go, on a whim.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Frem, there is that...I think it's subconscious in many cases, and subconscious FEAR of losing power; they THINK they know what's right, and the unfortunate part is that some of them want to foist it on the rest of humanity. The truly awful part of it is that some of them have the power to DO SO, which we've seen again and again.

Anything a politician says after he's previously said things that get him in trouble is spin, everyone knows that. Remember the "not intended to be a factual statement" after saying 97% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions, when in actuality 97% of what they do ISN'T abortions? It deserves no more attention than any of the spin politicians on ANY side try to put on things they've said/done which got them in trouble. Also there's the fact that Santorum has stated that he thinks the states have the RIGHT to ban contraception.

We'll never know, 'cuz he was badly defeated his last time around and he'll never be President. So he, as well as his attitudes, are mostly irrelevant. It only matters if these mysogysts get in POWER. In this case, it only matters becasue Friess is trying to be the power BEHIND the power by financing Santorum, and even then, eh, Frem has it about the bigger picture, and hopefully they'll ALL be irrelevant in a few decades, when NOBODY remembers about aspirin between the legs. Hopefully.



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Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:01 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


... I still don't get it. How does aspirin have to do with sex? And how does it have to do with keeping your legs closed? Oh well. Not only is it not humorous, it doesn't make sense.

Good point about drinks Byte.

Frem, its good for Wendy to know what to look out for for when she starts dating, she's newly grown so that could come anytime now, its good for her to be prepared.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:16 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
And here is another quote -

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”



And your point for posting this ? It doesn't in the least debunk the fact that he's still voted to fund some contraception, he's never moved to have it outlawed, he's just stating his own personal beliefs. You've added literally nothing to this discussion.

But to the point, this once again shows that an individual can have their own personal views on such matters as contraception, but not wish to impose them on anyone else. His view of Christianity is one chosen, and not mandated by Washington D.C. Don't agree w/ that view? Don't want to live your life like that ? Fine, then don't! Some of you are trying to paint this issues as if he's supporting Sharia law, which he isn't.

Ironic, a bit, considering how 'tolerant' some think of themselves, yet that tolerance sure does seem to come and go, on a whim.




read the quote - he's talking about it as a potential president, god help you all.

His views, beliefs, actions are all relevant to his position as potential POTUS, hence why everyone bleats on and on about every comment Obama has ever made about anything.

I'm flummoxed by your political system, where the minutae of someones life and beliefs are so microexamined and exposed. I don't know why presidents discuss their beliefs on a whole range of issues, rather than what their proposed policies will be. But that seems to be your system

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Monday, February 20, 2012 4:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA


This here is a pretty good synopsis of the matter so far.
Also noteworthy are the links at the bottom.

The Abortion Wars: The Real People Behind the Restrictions
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/19/abortion-wars-real-pe
ople-behind-restrictions


This seems a game with ANYTHING that puritannical tyrant shitheads can't manage to downright outlaw, hedge it in with so many restrictions and laws it becomes logically impossible, a de-facto prohbition which should be utterly defied and thrown back in their faces as hard as possible, preferably followed with a brick.

Yeah, that's harsh, but I don't care - cause these same shitheels who are all so concerned about the alleged fetus being born immediately lose interest the moment it pops out, which tells you all you really need to know, and there's no hell in any afterlife worse than the lot of an unwanted child.

Note on that, I *WAS* an unwanted, leastways by my so-called-father who made every effort to make damn sure I was well-aware of it right up till I more or less chased him out of the house with a knife, which lead to being an extreme version of a latchkey kid and shoved into an adult role far too damn early by necessity while my mother burned away her very life to keep us going, which eventually killed her.
And I had it LUCKY.

Most unwanted are pitched into the hellhole of foster care and group home settings where they're never cared for properly, often abused, and many of the younger ones just flat out wither and die - failure to thrive is what goes on the death cert, but it might as well be "nobody cares".
Many of the rest spiral down into suicide, and those few that make it to the magic number get pitched out the door into a hostile society that never wanted em, without any of the coping skills a proper development might have netted them and disaster inevitably follows, as does death.
I've seen these places, that being one of the multitude of reasons I don't sleep so well.

I mean, really, do folk think it always comes to a happy ending, that there's no flood of unwanted children CAUSED by this bullshit, where the hell do people think they GO?
Hell, such an apt word for it, really - no, instead of mercifully ending them before they become, we dump them into a world that sees them as an unwanted waste product, then torture them for a while, and the end result is damn near inevitably the same anyway.

Yet the very same folk who'd complain about the inhumane slaughter of an animal don't see, WON'T see, how we do it to humans, for the love o cryin mercy we offer our PETS a final mercy we don't even deliver to our own, all out of some crack brained puritan idea that suffering is good for you, and that life is "precious" even when it's so awful there's naught but suffering in it - and they're hypocrites as well cause we all know damn well their idea of suffering is pretty pathetic, believe me, I'd not mind at all schooling them in the ways of pain, believe me, I'd be MORE than happy to deliver a formal course of education with graduate study, oh yesss...

Worth a note here is that at one time shortly after finishing up the Personal Protection training I managed to shake out of a former employer, I served as a volunteer bodyguard for women coming and going to these clinics, I heard their stories, saw the pain in their eyes - and also saw the blazing hatred and pure evil malice in the eyes of their tormentors as I walked them to and from the door, silently begging those scum to take so much as a single step towards us - most of them crusader types looking for an excuse to hate and hurt, the cause itself mattering not a whit to them and the moment the playing field starts levelling they lose the stomach for it anyways.
But oh how I WISHED they'd dare, and it showed, so they didn't.
(I wasn't exactly right in the head at the time, this being during the period I was really nihilistic from watching my family and future implode during a festive holiday.)

Passing strange, the amount of comfort some of them drew from the simple fact that there was someone, anyone, willing to match stones with them sick bastards, to stand, aye, and maybe die - so that they could turn to an unfortunate necessity, most of them only winding up in that position because of piss poor education and lack of access or availability of contraception.

But really, I kind of needed to vent this, and more than that, I WANT you to know, to really, truly understand the very depth of the hatred towards these patriarchal fucks that burns within my heart like a white hot all devouring flame.

To do less would be, I think, dishonest.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, February 20, 2012 7:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Frem, I agree with 99% of what you wrote.

The only exception I would take is
Quote:

Yet the very same folk who'd complain about the inhumane slaughter of an animal don't see, WON'T see, how we do it to humans.
If you're talking about the death penalty, it's the opposite. It's people on the left who complain about the slaughter of animals, and we're ALSO against capital punishment. If you're referring to abortion, I'm confused.

But when it comes to
Quote:

This seems a game with ANYTHING that puritannical tyrant shitheads can't manage to downright outlaw, hedge it in with so many restrictions and laws it becomes logically impossible
I'm right there with 'ya, and have been saying this for a long time now. The law of the land is that abortion is legal and they haven't been able to undo that, so the tactics they've chosen ever since they realize that have been myriad and unconscionable, from killing doctors to creating laws that make it virtually impossible to get an abortion.

I'll stop there, because if I went any further, it wouldn't be in language anyone would care to read. By now everyone here knows how I feel on the subject.



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Monday, February 20, 2012 7:16 AM

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson


"I'm flummoxed by your political system, where the minutae of someones life and beliefs are so microexamined and exposed."

I really do think it's b/c we have an insane political system. Once you are elected to office, virtually nothing can get you out. In essence, we elect kings. So candidates will go to all extremes - say anything, do anything - to get elected, b/c once they're in office they can do what they want, and nobody can affect them.

Unlike your system, where the no confidence vote hangs over everyone's head and keeps them on the straight and narrow, more or less, of, if not their platform, at least public opinion.

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Monday, February 20, 2012 3:03 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I think what Frem meant Niki is that there are people out there who seem to care about animals more than people, if they see a dog on the street they take it in, find a home for it, feed it, pet it, but if they see a man on the street they don't care. Lots of people seem more interested in giving to animal causes than giving to human causes. I think that's what Frem meant.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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