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Iran goes after Israeli diplomats

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


What with the bombing in India and the attempted attacks in Georgia and Thailand (where Iranian identity of the attackers was confirmed), looks like Iran is declaring open season on Israelis and sending hit teams out hunting.

It's been mentioned that this might be in retaliation for the attack in Iran on nuclear scientists, and I can see that happening, but doing such attacks in third countries, with possible local casualties, doesn't seem like a good P.R. plan.

Almost looks like Iran is trying to draw Israeli air strikes to bolster their support in the Muslim world.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:00 AM

AURAPTOR

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They didn't get Salman Rushdie yet, and that fatwa on him has been ongoing for over 20 years.

But these attacks, are extremely sloppy, in not only the planning, but in their execution as well.

Reports are that in the Thailand attack, they captured 1 Iranian, and the other one blew his own legs off.

About as incompetent as the JPF crack suicide squad.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:45 AM

ANTHONYT

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"but doing such attacks in third countries, with possible local casualties, doesn't seem like a good P.R. plan."

Hello,

I think they are doing their best to emulate their teachers. As is often the case, the student is not as sophisticated as their master.

--Anthony


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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28 AM

BYTEMITE


Missing articles.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17026007

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17013987

Hmm. We need to know more about the affiliation of the attackers. They are Iranian, but then again, most of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudi Arabian.

Federal investigators caught an Iranian on American soil trying to go after an Israeli diplomat. At the time, by all accounts the guy sounded too incompetent to be backed by any money to me.

It could speak of a larger trend, but even though Iran is a likely suspect, we don't know for sure. I've also heard Hezbollah could be involved, or there could be a collaboration between Hezbollah and Iran, or it could be none of the above.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:36 AM

FREMDFIRMA



And why the automatic assumption of organization ?
Smells to me like folks lookin for excuses.

Given that our so-called-ally has engaged in some of the most bitter war crimes in history, ethnic cleansing, terrorism, spreading their hate and intolerance worldwide with our slobberingly subservient assistance much of the time...

Is it really so unreasonable that folks would be pissed off at them to the point of physical aggression even without a specific agenda ?

Hell, even *I* am not immune to this, as some time ago I was ready to walk right back out of a barbershop because the barber was wearing a yarmulke, before I caught myself and regarded him as an individual - he's a fine barber, and no more pleased about what's done in the name of his beliefs as I am, poor guy.
(As are many Muslim folk in Dearborn, you think *you* hate them radical nutjobs?)

Anyways, you go pissing off 90% of the freakin planet by crapping on it and getting the sole remaining superpower to back you up like some mafia weasel with a giant thug for muscle, you WILL piss people off.
And not all of em are gonna be reasonable about it.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"but doing such attacks in third countries, with possible local casualties, doesn't seem like a good P.R. plan."

Hello,

I think they are doing their best to emulate their teachers. As is often the case, the student is not as sophisticated as their master.

--Anthony




Yep. The Russians use radio active isotopes , not grenades.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:10 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

And why the automatic assumption of organization ?



Several attacks and attempts against the same targets (Israeli diolomats) in different countries at pretty much the same time, with all the folks who were caught being from the same country.

Once is an accident.
Twice is coincidence.
Three times is enemy action.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:35 AM

BYTEMITE


That was one of the alternative options that I was talking about. Although it looks like a trend, it could also be coincidental.

We simply don't know enough yet about the attackers.

It's technically not all at the same time, unless the one that tried to attack the embassy here in America was reading his orders early.

Could be that these Israeli diplomats are always in danger, depending on where they are and who's there to be mad at them. Could be this time, a bunch of hits or near hits managed to get through their security. The reason the attacks might be so close together is if Israel has done something recently that set off a population those attackers came from.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:04 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
What with the bombing in India and the attempted attacks in Georgia and Thailand (where Iranian identity of the attackers was confirmed), looks like Iran is declaring open season on Israelis and sending hit teams out hunting.

It's been mentioned that this might be in retaliation for the attack in Iran on nuclear scientists, and I can see that happening, but doing such attacks in third countries, with possible local casualties, doesn't seem like a good P.R. plan.

Almost looks like Iran is trying to draw Israeli air strikes to bolster their support in the Muslim world.




These killings on both sides can't last forever... one of 2 things has to happen, will happen:

1. Iran gets a nuke and bombs Israel, or
2. Israel bombs Iran

There are no other possibilities - how long before Israel gets tired of trying to kill their nuke scientists and find all the hidden facilities? They will never feel safe = Israel bombs Iran is my guess.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:14 PM

KWICKO

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Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

And why the automatic assumption of organization ?



Several attacks and attempts against the same targets (Israeli diolomats) in different countries at pretty much the same time, with all the folks who were caught being from the same country.

Once is an accident.
Twice is coincidence.
Three times is enemy action.

"Keep the Shiny side up"




That sounds like confirmation that Israel is behind the deaths of Iranian scientists. After all, it's happened more than once or twice now...



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:10 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"but doing such attacks in third countries, with possible local casualties, doesn't seem like a good P.R. plan."

Hello,

I think they are doing their best to emulate their teachers. As is often the case, the student is not as sophisticated as their master.

--Anthony




Yep. The Russians use radio active isotopes , not grenades.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

The Isrealis conduct worldwide assassination of their enemies, and have since their inception. They are the teachers.

The Iranians have catchup to do.

--Anthony



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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

The Isrealis conduct worldwide assassination of their enemies, and have since their inception. They are the teachers.

The Iranians have catchup to do.

--Anthony




Out of sheer necessity, the Israelis hunted down and killed NAZIs on the run, and terrorists who murder their citizens. ( Munich, '72 ring a bell ? ) I hope you're not equating what the Iranians are doing to that of the Israelis. You'd be show casing a tremendous level of naivete , if that's the case.

Oh, and let's not overlook the real issue here, of Iran as a state funded source of TRUE global terrorism.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:42 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I believe that naivete' is equating actions only when you can identify with the people committing them.

What do you think Israel would do if their nuclear scientists were assassinated?

Shylock has a lesson to teach.

"If you wrong us, shall we not Revenge?"

--Anthony



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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Sorry, all things aren't equal. Israel isn't trying to wipe Iran off the face of the map.

And I know you've not overlooked the IED's that have found their way across the border from Iran into Iraq.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:21 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry, all things aren't equal. Israel isn't trying to wipe Iran off the face of the map.

And I know you've not overlooked the IED's that have found their way across the border from Iran into Iraq.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

You seem to be confusing morality with tactics.
Iran is doing exactly what Israel has done, with a touch less finesse.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:58 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
The reason the attacks might be so close together is if Israel has done something recently that set off a population those attackers came from.


Like, yanno, assassinating their people, threatening them and trying to browbeat them politically and economically ?
Using our military by proxy to do it ?

Gee, now THAT wouldn't piss anyone off would it now....

-F

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

You seem to be confusing morality with tactics.
Iran is doing exactly what Israel has done, with a touch less finesse.

--Anthony





And you seem to be forgetting that Iran has been exporting terrorism and death for quite some time. Normally, they outsource this sort of stuff to Hamas or Hezbollah, among others.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:37 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Auraptor: "No, the bombs made a whirring noise..."
Anthony: "Nah, it's a more of a whooshing sound, definitely..."
Auraptor: "Whirring."
Anthony: "Whooshing."

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:44 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Like, yanno, assassinating their people, threatening them and trying to browbeat them politically and economically ?



But as someone said, "And why the automatic assumption of organization ?"

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Auraptor: "No, the bombs made a whirring noise..."
Anthony: "Nah, it's a more of a whooshing sound, definitely..."
Auraptor: "Whirring."
Anthony: "Whooshing."

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That's not unfunny.

Whirring.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:59 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Like, yanno, assassinating their people, threatening them and trying to browbeat them politically and economically ?



But as someone said, "And why the automatic assumption of organization ?"

"Keep the Shiny side up"



Hello,

More of a spontaneous collective consciousness, then?

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:48 PM

OONJERAH



My Granny used to say, "Jesus was a Jew." Meaning that it is very wrong to hate them. Yet many do hate them,
& they've been persecuted for 2,000 years.

When people in this country heard about what the Nazis were doing to the German Jews ... well, that was just
too unpleasant; most of us denied it, ignored it. Then Hitler began to roll over his neighbors, and WWII began
in ernest. WWI had taught us a hard lesson; we were not about to get involved in another European fire storm.

Mostly, everything I know about the Jews, I learned in the movies, produced in studios owned by Jews.

Gentleman's Agreement, 1947, Gregory Peck. "A reporter pretends to be Jewish in order to cover a story
on anti-Semitism, and personally discovers the true depths of bigotry and hatred." (in America)

Exodus, 1960, Paul Newman. "The theme is the founding of the state of Israel.
The action begins on a ship filled with Jewish immigrants bound for Israel who are being off loaded on Cyprus.
An Intelligence officer succeeds in getting them back on board their ship only to have the harbor blocked by
the British with whom they must negotiate. The second part of the film is about the situation in Israel as
independence is declared and most of their neighbors attack them."

I may watch movies about WWII, but I avoid those where a primary theme is the Jews suffering in Nazi concentration
camps. I've seen a lot of terrible pictures of the camps after the Allies liberated them. I can't unsee 'em, and
I don't try.

I avoid this stuff, but never pretend it didn't happen. It was the worst thing that could be done to any people.

There was no place for them to go for a long time after the war. Israel finally took them in. My guess, since I
avoid these things, is that their leaders made a vow that they would never be landless nor victimized again.

No one has ever had a greater reason for militancy.

No even us here in the USA.
On Dec 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked our base at Pearl Harbor without warning or provocation.
We too decided to never be victimized again. Thus in spite of a clear warning from President Eisenhower, this
country has become one big, military-industrial complex.

That's my perspective.

Much of the world fears us. Do all of Israel's neighbors fear her now?

"Iran goes after Israeli diplomats."

I didn't know that. I know the strife seems endless.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:52 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Much of the world fears us. Do all of Israel's neighbors fear her now?


Hello,

Yes. But not as much as they should.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

That's my perspective.



Thanks for that. I think most folks have it in their heads that, what ever they feel about a topic, how ever they were told of something, is THE right way, and thus they base their views on that information. Right or wrong.

I've tried to be as open and honest about not only what I think , but WHY I think it. Sadly, some small minded types here only take that as opportunity to ridicule and attack, instead of honestly looking at themselves and even TRYING to have a sober, mature discussion.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:28 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

That's my perspective.



Thanks for that. I think most folks have it in their heads that, what ever they feel about a topic, how ever they were told of something, is THE right way, and thus they base their views on that information. Right or wrong.

I've tried to be as open and honest about not only what I think , but WHY I think it. Sadly, some small minded types here only take that as opportunity to ridicule and attack, instead of honestly looking at themselves and even TRYING to have a sober, mature discussion.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

I think we could all learn much from your words, Mr. Raptor.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:36 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Iran as a state funded source of TRUE global terrorism.


Quote:

And you seem to be forgetting that Iran has been exporting terrorism and death for quite some time. Normally, they outsource this sort of stuff to Hamas or Hezbollah, among others.


Wait a minute. The most Iran has had to do with Hamas is that they've supplied guns to them. Your Hamas example is more like a proxy war with some people committing war crimes.

Though, I guess, in fairness, I've argued that this was state sponsored terrorism when the U.S. did it in the Soviet-Afghanistan war. On the other hand, everyone told me then I was stretching it.

I dunno, I'm kind of inclined to say every nation is guilty. And if that's the case, it's kinda hypocritical to choose sides and fight a war over it. I especially don't want to jump into a fight before we've cross-checked and verified the background of these attackers.

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:55 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

When people in this country heard about what the Nazis were doing to the German Jews ... well, that was just
too unpleasant; most of us denied it, ignored it. Then Hitler began to roll over his neighbors, and WWII began
in ernest. WWI had taught us a hard lesson; we were not about to get involved in another European fire storm.



Actually, the war covered most of the atrocities. We did know about Kristallnacht, but we didn't know the Jews taken then had been sent to anything like concentration camps until word managed to get out through various resistance groups. Definitely, we didn't know about the Final Solution, as that happened during the war, kind of towards the end as the Nazis realized they were losing and needed to hide the evidence before we found it. The British thought the reports of mass-killings they got from some escaped prisoners were exaggerated, and only when the allies got to the camps did they find out how bad it was.

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There was no place for them to go for a long time after the war. Israel finally took them in.


Not quite. There had been a long running movement for the creation of Israel, supported by both Jewish zionists and by those who disliked the Jews. Israel hadn't been recognized as a country yet (it was British controlled Palestine), but Nazi Germany was actually a big supporter of the idea, and they were gathering up and exiling Jews before they came up with the whole concentration camp thing (some went to Palestine, Einstein as you might recall went to America). And, in fact, there were a number of Jewish refugee groups that were pushing other countries to send Jews to Israel as Germany started to look like a bigger threat. Britain was one of the few that didn't go along with this, and decided to take in Jewish children into foster care from nations threatened by Germany (the Kindertransport program), but other nations took the refugee groups up on the offer.

However, you are right that even in America post war sometimes Jews weren't really wanted, and they were even less wanted in Europe, and the creation of Israel opened up a place for them to go.

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:26 AM

FREMDFIRMA



And yet they went and did to Palestine exactly what the Germans did to them.

Which is one reason I have so little sympathy.

In their fear, they have become in many ways the very thing that once terrified them, and you know what *I* see, eighty-some years down the road ?

Palestine doin it to someone else.

The same dynamic that causes abused kids to become abusive parents, practiced on a national scale, and you gotta break the chain somewhere, else it goes on forever.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:03 AM

OONJERAH



Quote ByteMite: "Actually, the war covered most of the atrocities. We did know about Kristallnacht,
but we didn't know the Jews taken then had been sent to anything like concentration camps ..."

During the Battle of Britain, what our government intelligence knew of the Jewish persecution and what we,
the general population were willing to acknowledge must have been quite different.

Most Americans (USA, not Canada) were unwilling to read the handwriting. Our own writing was, "Gee, Hitler's
almost sewn up Europe. It's nothing to do with US; there's a big pond between us." But when the Japanese
shoved the message at us rudely, along with the grief, most of us were suddenly pleased with an excuse to
roll and rock.

Quote ByteMite: "Not quite. There had been a long running movement for the creation of Israel, supported by
both Jewish zionists and by those who disliked the Jews. Israel hadn't been recognized as a country yet
(it was British controlled Palestine),"

Thanks much. Always nice to have some facts to clarify/correct my impressions.

Quote FremdFirma: "And yet they went and did to Palestine exactly what the Germans did to them."

Me: Forever lame on world events. Truly unaware of Israeli atrocities.

Some people, being abused, react with horror, and cultivate kindness in reaction to it. The more common
reaction is to nurse the fear and anger, then look for scapegoats. I often say the Old and New Testaments
of our Christian Bible preach opposite values. The Old wants an eye for an eye; the New advises compassion.

Paraphrasing Kwicko's signature: "Although it is not true that all vengeance seekers are stupid people,
it is true that most stupid people are vengeance seekers."
That's my observation.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:23 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Most Americans (USA, not Canada) were unwilling to read the handwriting. Our own writing was, "Gee, Hitler's
almost sewn up Europe. It's nothing to do with US; there's a big pond between us." But when the Japanese
shoved the message at us rudely, along with the grief, most of us were suddenly pleased with an excuse to
roll and rock.



Well, technically we were running supply ships to Britain before then (U-boats attacked a lot of convoys), and we were also already fighting against Japan when they attacked us. Pearl Harbor did lead to a formal declaration of war, but we actually were involved before then. Americans were rather divided about getting officially involved (sending troops), and Pearl Harbor consolidated support for that.

Quote:

During the Battle of Britain, what our government intelligence knew of the Jewish persecution and what we,
the general population were willing to acknowledge must have been quite different.



Kristallnacht was 1938. The Brits first heard about the concentration camps in 1940. They only started to believe some of the reports in 1943, and were still taken by surprise by the sheer scope of the atrocity in 1945.

Quote:

Truly unaware of Israeli atrocities.


They used white phosphorus on palestinian civilians a few times. It was pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Phosphorous#Gaza_War_.282008.E2.80.
932009.29

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:05 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

From what I've seen and read, Palestine is a ghetto. Not unlike the Jewish Ghettos devised by the Nazis.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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Iran as a state funded source of TRUE global terrorism.


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And you seem to be forgetting that Iran has been exporting terrorism and death for quite some time. Normally, they outsource this sort of stuff to Hamas or Hezbollah, among others.


Wait a minute. The most Iran has had to do with Hamas is that they've supplied guns to them. Your Hamas example is more like a proxy war with some people committing war crimes.

Though, I guess, in fairness, I've argued that this was state sponsored terrorism when the U.S. did it in the Soviet-Afghanistan war. On the other hand, everyone told me then I was stretching it.



Certainly not *everyone*. Not I, because I happen to agree with you 100% on this. If Iran is exporting terrorism, then so is the U.S.A. when it sends stinger missiles to the Taliban, when we fund Central American death squads, when we give money to Israel to buy weapons with which to kill Palestinian children, and more. If Iran is doing this, then it sounds like a case of fair play - they're finally playing the game the way the West has been playing it for all these years.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:37 PM

OONJERAH



Quote Kwicko: "If Iran is exporting terrorism, then so is the U.S.A. when it sends stinger missiles to the Taliban,
when we fund Central American death squads, when we give money to Israel to buy weapons with which to kill Palestinian
children, and more. If Iran is doing this, then it sounds like a case of fair play - they're finally playing the game the
way the West has been playing it for all these years."

Yeah, and that's only the visible stuff we do to 'em. I've said elsewhere, Our Foreign Policy sucks.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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