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Obama vs Obama : Against God, before he was for God.

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 6:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


To base our police on God's edicts is dangerous -




Jesus wants higher taxes -




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Interesting. Is this why the GOP boos the Golden Rule? They're against it now, because Obama says he's for it?



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Interesting. Is this why the GOP boos the Golden Rule? They're against it now, because Obama says he's for it?



Care to be less vague ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:17 AM

WHOZIT


I thought he was God? PRAY TO HIM!!

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I thought he was God? PRAY TO HIM!!



Exactly. At least, that's how the media portray HIM.

" I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." - Newsweek Editor, Evan Thomas



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Actually, the mainstream media has been portraying Obama as the antichrist.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, the mainstream media has been portraying Obama as the antichrist.




Example ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Interesting. Is this why the GOP boos the Golden Rule? They're against it now, because Obama says he's for it?



Care to be less vague ?




Well, since you can't be bothered to keep up with things, here you go:

http://news.yahoo.com/christian-conservative-voters-boo-ron-pauls-gold
en-rule-011800008.html


I'm sure you never heard about it. FauxNews and RushBo wouldn't dare speak about it!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Your point is twisted and distorted.

'Some' booed Ron Paul, and his misuse of the Golden Rule. No where did the GOP 'boo' Obama, as your statement intimates.

Of course, Obama DID mockingly refer to Americans who " cling to their guns or religion ". But he's all for quoting ( or misquoting ) Jesus, when the need suits him?

THAT is the issue here.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:43 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm sure you never heard about it. FauxNews and RushBo wouldn't dare speak about it!



You really should check before making such claims.

Quote:

And when Paul called for the United States to follow a “golden rule” in its foreign policy, and stop “endlessly bombing” foreign countries, he was greeted, at the Jan. 16 Fox News debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., with boos from the audience.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/26/reporters-notebook-ron-paul
-effect/#ixzz1lR5N3v6H


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, the mainstream media has been portraying Obama as the antichrist.




Example ?



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-marvels-at-glenn-becks-antich
rist-wisconsin-protest-coverage
/



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:48 AM

AURAPTOR

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See Geez, this is the classic Left wing two-step. They can't deal with the issue, head on. They know they'll lose. So they must interject some other, irrelevant side issue, to expand the area of discussion, there by making the corner they've painted themselves in even larger.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm sure you never heard about it. FauxNews and RushBo wouldn't dare speak about it!



You really should check before making such claims.

Quote:

And when Paul called for the United States to follow a “golden rule” in its foreign policy, and stop “endlessly bombing” foreign countries, he was greeted, at the Jan. 16 Fox News debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., with boos from the audience.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/26/reporters-notebook-ron-paul
-effect/#ixzz1lR5N3v6H


"Keep the Shiny side up"




Thank you for verifying that the GOP did indeed boo the Golden Rule.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:52 AM

AURAPTOR

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Maddow ? Beck ?



Sorry, strike two. One commentator / entertainer talking about another commentator/ entertainer's view ?

By your logic, anyone in the 'media' is a part of the MSM ? Beck isn't a part of the NEWS division of FOX, as Maddow does not sit behind the desk on the nightly newscast on MSNBC. ( though the latter might as well do so anyway )


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

See Geez, this is the classic Left wing two-step. They can't deal with the issue, head on. They know they'll lose. So they must interject some other, irrelevant side issue, to expand the area of discussion, there by making the corner they've painted themselves in even larger.




So let's deal with the issue "head on", as you say. Can you show any examples of Obama being "against god" (your words, not mine)? The video you posted has him citing various quotes from scripture, but I fail to see him "mocking" religion, as you "intimate" he does.

See, Geez, Rappy is doing the classic right-wing two-step here. Making claims that are based on nothing (Herman Cain at least had the decency to preface such idiocy with "I have no facts to back this up, but..."), and then dancing around the issue when questioned on it.

Rappy himself makes fun of religion on a regular basis, but none of that stops him from embracing "Christianity" when it suits him, up to and including taking communion while claiming atheism. Seems Rappy is exactly what he claims Obama is: AGAINST religion before he was FOR it.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:58 AM

AURAPTOR

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You ask me for examples which were clearly given in the original post.

Until you want to discuss that, I see no reason to carry on any further here.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 8:10 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, the mainstream media has been portraying Obama as the antichrist.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill




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Saturday, February 4, 2012 8:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Rappy himself makes fun of religion on a regular basis, but none of that stops him from embracing "Christianity" when it suits him, up to and including taking communion while claiming atheism. Seems Rappy is exactly what he claims Obama is: AGAINST religion before he was FOR it.



Where have I 'embraced' Christianity ?

Cite any proof of me 'taking communion' , while claiming atheism.

And since I'm not running for public office, I'm not a hypocrite, like Obama, nor do I have any reason to sway anyone's view.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:21 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Everything else going on in the world and you would realy rather continue these pointless tit-for-tats?

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:41 AM

HKCAVALIER


WTH, WTF, WTH, WTFFFFF??? What nonsense is this that the professed athiest is dissing Obama for making fun of fundies???

Wait, 'cause, y'know, that's ALL THAT'S GOING ON HERE.

Obama's making fun of folk who slavishly follow the old testiment--or more accurately, PRETEND to follow the old testiment--no one can absolutely follow that hate-filled, self-contradictory madness. Yes, Obama mentions that the Sermon on the Mount kinda disallows a Defense Department, but that's what Jesus said and it's damn true. It's not a dis at religion to say so, it's just one of the ironies of our effed up culture. No right-wing fundie I ever heard wants to abolish the DoD and that's the point. Fundies is the real subject of both clips.

There's nothing for lefties to "dodge" here. Kwicko loves winding you up, that's nothing new. As I've said before, you boys should get a (chat) room! It's not strictly entertaining to listen to you two going at it day and night.

Yeah, okay, Nikki, I see I'm taking the bate, but only because this is by far the most non- of the many non-issues AURaptor posts to scare up rancor.

I gotta say, credit where it's due, Auraptor, you are the master thread starter. Y'know, routinely, you'll post something not nearly as news un-worthy as this (but close) here and folk will flock to you like song birds to St. Francis. The Tibow/Muslim mash-up was a work genius. This one, not so much. You get the usual Kwicko cum Pee Wee Herman I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I shenanigans, and the old man coming in walk away with the low hanging fruit, as per usual.

But seriously. There are a ton of Christians who think the OT is a scary book never to be taken literally. And you know that, AURaptor.

Please, Kwicko, Auraptor, let this one die. It's reflects badly on da bofe o' ya's. Da bofe o' ya's.

Or don't. I don't know what got into me. Love ya, mean it.

Carry on.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:43 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

And when Paul called for the United States to follow a “golden rule” in its foreign policy, and stop “endlessly bombing” foreign countries, he was greeted, at the Jan. 16 Fox News debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., with boos from the audience.



Thank you for verifying that the GOP did indeed boo the Golden Rule.



Perhaps they were booing the call to stop "endlessly bombing". I know you'd like to do that.

Any way.

What this has to do with Obama saying folks shouldn't use religious arguments to support their political goals, and them saying folks should support his political goals because it's what Jesus would do, I'm not sure.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:13 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Cite any proof of me 'taking communion' , while claiming atheism.




In your own words:

Quote:

posted by Rappy:

I DID attend a church, not long ago. Which isn't anything a kin to "attending " church.

Well, it didn't take. Even after I took communion, and everything.



http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=45842&p=3

So here's you, in your own words, claiming to have taken communion. You've long maintained that you're atheist; are you now saying you aren't? Are you lying now, or were you lying then? Or, as is more likely, both?


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

And when Paul called for the United States to follow a “golden rule” in its foreign policy, and stop “endlessly bombing” foreign countries, he was greeted, at the Jan. 16 Fox News debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., with boos from the audience.



Thank you for verifying that the GOP did indeed boo the Golden Rule.



Perhaps they were booing the call to stop "endlessly bombing". I know you'd like to do that.




Riiiiight. The GOP wants to stop the wars. Odd that they loudly cheered Perry's assertion that he'd send troops right back into Iraq, then. You seem quite desperate to spin things in a positive light here, Geezer.

Quote:


Any way.

What this has to do with Obama saying folks shouldn't use religious arguments to support their political goals, and them saying folks should support his political goals because it's what Jesus would do, I'm not sure.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



It has to do with the title of the thread, about a candidate being AGAINST god before he was FOR god. Here's your very own party (which you and Rappy both claim not to belong to, but which you both vote for and vocally support, seemingly in every election) showing how much they're for and against their very own "god".

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:33 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

What this has to do with Obama saying folks shouldn't use religious arguments to support their political goals, and them saying folks should support his political goals because it's what Jesus would do, I'm not sure.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



It has to do with the title of the thread, about a candidate being AGAINST god before he was FOR god.



Looks to me like the title of this thread mentions "Obama" pretty clearly and exclusively. And the videos show Obama both saying that folks shouldn't use God to support their political agenda, and then using God to support his political agenda.

So what's your reaction to Obama first saying that folks shouldn't bring up religion to advance a particular political position, and then bringing up religion to advance a particular political position?



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:37 AM

AURAPTOR

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Kwickie, this proves , beyond all doubt, that you have a serious crush on me.

Attending a church, ONCE, and taking part in a religious ritual is hardly 'embracing Christianity'.

Your fail is so colossal, there aren't enough words for it in all of human language to even BEGIN for me to express, it would take so long.

You dig up a post from 15 months ago, in the HOPES of catching me in some lie, or to use my words against me, because YOU can't defend your lord and master, Obama.


WOW!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Kwickie, this proves , beyond all doubt, that you have a serious crush on me.



Or it just proves that I have a working memory. And that you're a liar (but we all knew that already).

Quote:


Attending a church and taking part in a religious ritual is hardly 'embracing Christianity'.



Would you say the same of someone who attended a mosque?

Quote:

Your fail is so colossal, there aren't enough words for it in all of human language to even BEGIN for me to express, it would take so long.


The failboat is all yours, son.


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

What this has to do with Obama saying folks shouldn't use religious arguments to support their political goals, and them saying folks should support his political goals because it's what Jesus would do, I'm not sure.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



It has to do with the title of the thread, about a candidate being AGAINST god before he was FOR god.



Looks to me like the title of this thread mentions "Obama" pretty clearly and exclusively.



So you admit you'll hold Obama to a standard you'd never dream of holding a Republican to. Thanks again for verifying what we already knew about you!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:47 AM

AURAPTOR

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Umm...I'm the one who brought it up, which means I'm the one who admitted it then, and I'm admitting it now..where am I LYING ?

And how is me telling the truth a "fail" ??

Not only are you obsessed, you're equally deluded.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Cite any proof of me 'taking communion' , while claiming atheism.




Done. Odd that you're now trying to deny it, though, while claiming to be "honest" about it.


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Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


You dig up a post from 15 months ago, in the HOPES of catching me in some lie, or to use my words against me, because YOU can't defend your lord and master, Obama.




To address your latest edit...


Are you people really that bad at using Google and keyword searches? Seriously? It takes less than a minute, if that. Go to Google, type in "auraptor communion fireflyfans" and look what comes up. Done.

And there you go again with your religiosity, referencing someone as "lord and master". Sorry, can't help you with your belief or your claimed non-belief, since I recognize no "lord and master". I've no need to "defend" the President, because you've never made a case against him. You're exactly as useless as the birthers.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 11:02 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Cite any proof of me 'taking communion' , while claiming atheism.




Done. Odd that you're now trying to deny it, though, while claiming to be "honest" about it.




Nope, not "done", not even close. I don't know if you're truly this stupid, or you think everyone is really that dumb, but here's EXACTLY what you said...

Rappy himself makes fun of religion on a regular basis, but none of that stops him from embracing "Christianity" when it suits him, up to and including taking communion while claiming atheism.

Now, WHERE IN THE HELL HAVE I EMBRACED CHRISTIANITY WHEN IT SUITS ME ?

See, that's how you think you can 'win' at this, by snipping bits and pieces of what people say, cherry picking tiny parts of entire threads, and then running with THAT, as if any of what you're saying is relevant, was contested, or MATTERS, even a little!

Are you so fucking stupid to suggest that merely attending a church service, ONE TIME ( and not again in the 15 months since ) in any way exhibits my EMBRACING of Christianity ???

You're wrong.

You know you're wrong, and so does anyone who bothers to read this crap ( which, understandably is fewer an fewer )

You're backed in a corner, too full of false pride, that you can't just admit that you're wrong, so instead of coming clean, you have to dig back well over a year ( good memory, my ass )to even HOPE of trying to catch me in a lie, which, of course, you've FAILED to do, again.


You're really fucked in the head if that's how you think.

OR

You're just a colossal a-hole, who enjoys picking fights on the internet, for absolutely no reason, what so ever.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 11:07 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
OR

You're just a colossal a-hole, who enjoys picking fights on the internet, for absolutely no reason, what so ever.



+1

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 11:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Cite any proof of me 'taking communion' , while claiming atheism.




Done. Odd that you're now trying to deny it, though, while claiming to be "honest" about it.




Nope, not "done", not even close. I don't know if you're truly this stupid, or you think everyone is really that dumb, but here's EXACTLY what you said...

Rappy himself makes fun of religion on a regular basis, but none of that stops him from embracing "Christianity" when it suits him, up to and including taking communion while claiming atheism.

Now, WHERE IN THE HELL HAVE I EMBRACED CHRISTIANITY WHEN IT SUITS ME ?

See, that's how you think you can 'win' at this, by snipping bits and pieces of what people say, cherry picking tiny parts of entire threads, and then running with THAT, as if any of what you're saying is relevant, was contested, or MATTERS, even a little!



Quite clearly, YOU think it matters, "even a little". Look how much time you've put into it. In your own words, that proves that you have "a colossal crush on me". Right?

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Are you so fucking stupid to suggest that merely attending a church service, ONE TIME ( and not again in the 15 months since ) in any way exhibits my EMBRACING of Christianity ???



You've shown a pattern, time after time after time, of defending Christianity. When I pointed out that Hitler was a Christian, you almost blew a gasket.

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You're wrong.

You know you're wrong, and so does anyone who bothers to read this crap ( which, understandably is fewer an fewer )

You're backed in a corner, too full of false pride, that you can't just admit that you're wrong...



That, my dear boy, would be you. You demanded that I show "proof" of where you'd taken communion; I did, and you started trying to shuffle and dance, change the subject, and move the goal posts.

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...so instead of coming clean, you have to dig back well over a year ( good memory, my ass )to even HOPE of trying to catch me in a lie, which, of course, you've FAILED to do, again.


Wasn't a lot of digging, as I've shown. All one needs is the ability to remember things. Stop using drugs, and your memory may return.

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You're really fucked in the head if that's how you think.

OR

You're just a colossal a-hole, who enjoys picking fights on the internet, for absolutely no reason, what so ever.



So what's your excuse? You're engaging in the same tit-for-tat fights you accuse others of. So are fucked in the head, or just a colossal asshole?

(Hey, I remember when you and Geezer both claimed you were leaving RWED, too; I bet you conveniently forgot about that one as well!)






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Saturday, February 4, 2012 11:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:

I gotta say, credit where it's due, Auraptor, you are the master thread starter. Y'know, routinely, you'll post something not nearly as news un-worthy as this (but close) here and folk will flock to you like song birds to St. Francis. The Tibow/Muslim mash-up was a work genius. This one, not so much. You get the usual Kwicko cum Pee Wee Herman I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I shenanigans, and the old man coming in walk away with the low hanging fruit, as per usual.

But seriously. There are a ton of Christians who think the OT is a scary book never to be taken literally. And you know that, AURaptor.

Please, Kwicko, Auraptor, let this one die. It's reflects badly on da bofe o' ya's. Da bofe o' ya's.

Or don't. I don't know what got into me. Love ya, mean it.

Carry on.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.



HK - he started it.

Hee hee.

But seriously, I gotta say, I'm no where near as devious or clever as you and Niki seem to think. I, like pretty much everyone else, simply come here to discuss items in the news, and comment on things we see. This PARTICULAR item ? I hate to say, because, knowing how some folks like,..no, LOVE to twist and distort damn near everything, came from something I saw on twitter.

Either by an individual I follow, or something re-tweeted by them, is where I got this topic. But oddly enough both this issue, and the Tebow /Muslim item, came from the same place. In fact, as best as I can recall, those 2 items have been the only times I carried over to RWED. I did so because I find the issues interesting, and figured others might enjoy seeing something they may not get from the main stream media. I had no idea things would get so 'animated'.

Meh. Oh well.


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Saturday, February 4, 2012 11:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You called me a liar, and then ran away from even trying to prove your case.

Hitler ? Really? That was your nonsensical reply to comparing Christian and Muslim killings in recent history. Wow, what a fail on your part.

Quote:

That, my dear boy, would be you. You demanded that I show "proof" of where you'd taken communion; I did, and you started trying to shuffle and dance, change the subject, and move the goal posts.


I'm not your dear boy, and again, you're lying. I asked for proof of where I EMBRACED Christianity. I never denied taking communion, hell boy, I'M THE ONE WHO TOLD YOU I TOOK PART ! Man, what a dumb ass you are ! ROFLMAO !!!

I attended 1 service. In your pea sized brain, that's EMBRACING a religion?

And the whole 'communion' nonsense...my dog. If there ever was a bigger red herring. So completely off the topic, insignificant, and a minor aside from the claim that I 'embraced' Christianity. In context, 'taking' communion once isn't the same time as routinely doing so.

Google or not, the fact that I warrant enough of your brain cells that you feel compelled to look back over 15 months to recall EXACTLY what I said, even though it has absolutely ZERO to do w/ the original thread topic, or anything at all, still shows that you're obsessed. Dude, I'm in your head, and you can't get me out ! How fucking funny is that !

So anyways, just admit that I'm not a liar, or at the very least, you got it completely wrong, and got your wires crossed, claiming I denied taking communion as part of some how 'embracing Christianity ', when in fact, I'm the one who told YOU about that, back in October of 2010.

Again " Rappy himself makes fun of religion on a regular basis, but none of that stops him from embracing "Christianity" when it suits him, up to and including taking communion while claiming atheism."

UP TO AND INCLUDING taking communion while claiming atheism.

I took communion ONE time, and in no way was it an 'embrace' of Christianity, as you tried to paint it. It's not the communion nonsense, it's the 'embracing Christianity' lie that you're running from.

Pick one. Apologize for calling me a liar, or admit that you were wrong.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 12:56 PM

HKCAVALIER


I don't find you devious, just have a nack for getting tons of attention, however negative it may be much of the time, hereabouts. Some people do. Some people know just what to put up on FB to get 50 gazillion likes and comments a page long. Others of us, can't seem to even get folk's birthdays right.

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Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 3:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm not your dear boy, and again, you're lying. I asked for proof of where I EMBRACED Christianity. I never denied taking communion, hell boy, I'M THE ONE WHO TOLD YOU I TOOK PART !




Not sure why you think I'm Hellboy, but here is your post, in its entirety (note the underlined parts):

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Rappy himself makes fun of religion on a regular basis, but none of that stops him from embracing "Christianity" when it suits him, up to and including taking communion while claiming atheism. Seems Rappy is exactly what he claims Obama is: AGAINST religion before he was FOR it.



Where have I 'embraced' Christianity ?

Cite any proof of me 'taking communion' , while claiming atheism.


And since I'm not running for public office, I'm not a hypocrite, like Obama, nor do I have any reason to sway anyone's view.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




Are those your words? Did you type them?


Where have I 'embraced' Christianity ?

Cite any proof of me 'taking communion' , while claiming atheism.


You didn't ask for proof that you embraced Christianity. You're moving the goalposts yet again, changing the game because you've already lost. You demanded I cite ANY PROOF of you taking communion, strongly implying that such was not the case, as if such a thing were preposterous and could never happen. You were attempting to mislead everyone here, and I showed you up for the liar and fool you are.

And you're still lying about it.

As for WHERE you've embraced Christianity, one can only assume somewhere in the Atlanta area, since that's seemingly where you live. Is that where you embraced Christianity?


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Saturday, February 4, 2012 6:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Taking communion isn't really "embracing Xtianity"?

I have to wonder... why WOULD anyone participate in the sacraments w/o believing in the religion? I know I did it, but I was living at home and just trying to keep my mom happy. Sometimes, people go with their friends. So, rappy- have any religious friends you're hanging out with? Trying to keep mom or dad happy?

I hope you realize BTW that your insincere participation is a mortal sin, for which you will burn in hell. Unless you sincerely confess.


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Saturday, February 4, 2012 6:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Maddow ? Beck ?



Sorry, strike two. One commentator / entertainer talking about another commentator/ entertainer's view ?

By your logic, anyone in the 'media' is a part of the MSM ? Beck isn't a part of the NEWS division of FOX, as Maddow does not sit behind the desk on the nightly newscast on MSNBC. ( though the latter might as well do so anyway )



You DO know what that second "M" in "MSM" stands for, don't you? To say that Glenn Beck was somehow less a part of the media when he was at Fox than some former editor at Newsweek is pretty weak sauce.



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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:23 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You didn't ask for proof that you embraced Christianity. You're moving the goalposts yet again, changing the game because you've already lost. You demanded I cite ANY PROOF of you taking communion, strongly implying that such was not the case, as if such a thing were preposterous and could never happen. You were attempting to mislead everyone here, and I showed you up for the liar and fool you are.

And you're still lying about it.

As for WHERE you've embraced Christianity, one can only assume somewhere in the Atlanta area, since that's seemingly where you live. Is that where you embraced Christianity?



You want to be Mr Anal Retentive about all this ? Fine. Show me where I took communion, WHILE literally professing my atheism, at the same time. You started this idiocy.

See, the ISSUE wasn't whether or not I had participated in communion, but whether I had 'embraced christianity'.

THAT is the bigger context. THAT is the issue.

You're the one lying here, not I.

I asked you to show me where I've ever embraced my Christianity. Still nothing ?

And 'where' doesn't mean location, it means ( and you know this ) by what actions HERE have I relayed my embrace for Christianity. Go remember that one, if ya can.

And yes Sig, I took part in a ritual. BFD. As long as I didn't assign any real meaning to it, that's all it was.

It's funny, because others accuse ME of creating b.s. , simply to get folks going back and forth, when it's clear that Kwickie and Sig are, by far, the biggest offenders of doing exactly that sort of nonsense.


So anyway, back to the original post... Obama , by his own words, hates religion and politics, until he doesn't. And in an election year, what you say NOW is what matters most, huh?

Obama and the Dems are hoping , praying, that the American public really are that stupid.


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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You want to be Mr Anal Retentive about all this ? Fine. Show me where I took communion, WHILE literally professing my atheism, at the same time. You started this idiocy.

See, the ISSUE wasn't whether or not I had participated in communion, but whether I had 'embraced christianity'.

THAT is the bigger context. THAT is the issue.

You're the one lying here, not I.

I asked you to show me where I've ever embraced my Christianity. Still nothing ?




There ya go.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Still nothing, huh?

Got it.

Mr Anal, at it again.

My, your, anyone's... wtf does it matter ?

Answer the gorram question, or admit you were wrong.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So it's YOUR Christianity, yet you don't embrace it.


Gosh, no wonder you're so fucked up. You can't even figure out what you believe, and then you get yourself all twisted up in knots when anyone points this out to you.



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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So it's YOUR Christianity, yet you don't embrace it.


Gosh, no wonder you're so fucked up. You can't even figure out what you believe, and then you get yourself all twisted up in knots when anyone points this out to you.



I asked YOU to show me where I embraced it.

You're stalling, because you know you have no answers. You're scurrying around, like a rodent, looking for an escape. You found a sock to crawl into , with this "my" nonsense, and you think you're safe.

Fact is, you're still trapped, as you ever were, but are fooling yourself into thinking otherwise.

Show me where, or admit utter failure on your own part.

Pick one.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:00 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


So. Mike, Sig, Cav, what's your reaction to Obama first saying that folks shouldn't bring up religion to advance a particular political position, and then bringing up religion to advance a particular political position?

Do you have one? Do you care? Do you think it's just 'politics as usual'? Would you rather just change the subject and hope no one notices?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

Do you have one? Do you care? Do you think it's just 'politics as usual'? Would you rather just change the subject and hope no one notices?

"Keep the Shiny side up"



That's pretty much their standards SOP almost any time I or anyone else brings up an issue like this which they just wish didn't exist.




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Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So it's YOUR Christianity, yet you don't embrace it.


Gosh, no wonder you're so fucked up. You can't even figure out what you believe, and then you get yourself all twisted up in knots when anyone points this out to you.



I asked YOU to show me where I embraced it.



Which I already did. Or did you want me to show you without using your own words?

Quote:


You're stalling, because you know you have no answers. You're scurrying around, like a rodent, looking for escape. You found a sock to crawl into , with this "my" nonsense, and you think you're safe.



Am I not "safe"? Why? Are you going to do something? Should I feel threatened?

I'm not stalling; I've already shown where you said you took communion after strongly implying that you didn't, and now I've shown you calling your Christianity YOUR Christianity.

Admit you've failed, and be done with it.




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Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



All you did was recite back to me info which I was the originator of in the first place.

I asked YOU to show where I ever 'embraced Christianity' And don't focus on inane , irrelevant side issues like 'my', 'your', or anything else.

You know the question, you know the issue here, either put up or shut up.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:20 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm not stalling...



Sure you are. Otherwise you'd give us your reaction to Obama first saying that folks shouldn't bring up religion to advance a particular political position, and then bringing up religion to advance a particular political position.

That is the topic of the thread, after all.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

All you did was recite back to me info which I was the originator of in the first place.



Yes, info which YOU posted which clearly shows YOUR embrace of YOUR Christianity (your words, not mine) and which serve as YOUR proof of the claim that you took communion. You asked me to show these things; I showed them, in your own words.

Are you now saying those words you posted weren't posted by you?

Put up or shut up.

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