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‘Buffett Tax’ and truth in numbers

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Friday, February 3, 2012 10:56 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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And again, in the talking points his own web site takes from the State of the Union address, the only one relating to reducing the deficit is the one about increases taxes on the rich. I suspect that that is by design as well.

Perhaps you're right, but I think you completely misunderstand the administration's purpose here. It's no secret that Obama favours a 'balanced' approach to closing the deficit. Who are the people blocking that? Republicans. So instead of continuing to make the case for a balanced solution Obama has made a tactical switch to attacking and focussing solely on his opponents' unbalanced position. But that's just another way of achieving the same end. It's rhetoric, and I'm guessing you especially don't like it because it turns up the heat on the GOP and their ideological rigidity (and some would say slavish devotion to the rich).

In any case one ambiguous sentence is not enough to start imagining a grand, misinformation campaign.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, February 3, 2012 12:57 PM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Well Rap, U are welcome to believe whatever you want about why companies arent hiring, but I would have to ask you how many National Account Managers, Directors of Sales, or Directors of Marketing have you spoken to today? In the last week? Month?

I speak to roughly twenty every day, more on the good days. They tell me directly that one of their biggest concerns was the uncertainty caused by the near default we came to last year, and what it might mean for the marketplace going forward.

Before last summer, in my observation hiring had been doing much better. 2009 was a waste of a year for hiring, I might has well not even have come to work, but 2010 was far far better. Companies expanded head counts, and it was similar the first half of 2011.

After the debt ceiling debacle, that all changed. companies started to pull back on their plans again, and often didnt fill spots vacated when people left their companies. It hasnt recovered yet, tho it isnt near as bad as 09 was.

Now no doubt u dont believe republicans had anything to do with the default threat, as you never do, but you will notice I said "Congress" not repubs or conservatives or anything like that.

I blame all of them. So your childish, "Nuh uh it was Pelosi" comeback is a joke.

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Friday, February 3, 2012 1:29 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, they just waited until this summer so that...

Ah, nevermind. Its the RapTard.



Yes, inane, juvenile insults is all you can come back with.

We got that.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



When responding to inane, wingnut fantasy scenarios like, well - every goddamned thing you post - that's all that is really appropriate.

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Friday, February 3, 2012 1:31 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace:
Well Rap, U are welcome to believe whatever you want about why companies arent hiring, but I would have to ask you how many National Account Managers, Directors of Sales, or Directors of Marketing have you spoken to today? In the last week? Month?

I speak to roughly twenty every day, more on the good days. They tell me directly that one of their biggest concerns was the uncertainty caused by the near default we came to last year, and what it might mean for the marketplace going forward.

Before last summer, in my observation hiring had been doing much better. 2009 was a waste of a year for hiring, I might has well not even have come to work, but 2010 was far far better. Companies expanded head counts, and it was similar the first half of 2011.

After the debt ceiling debacle, that all changed. companies started to pull back on their plans again, and often didnt fill spots vacated when people left their companies. It hasnt recovered yet, tho it isnt near as bad as 09 was.

Now no doubt u dont believe republicans had anything to do with the default threat, as you never do, but you will notice I said "Congress" not repubs or conservatives or anything like that.

I blame all of them. So your childish, "Nuh uh it was Pelosi" comeback is a joke.



Actual knowlegde, facts and experiecne mean nothing to a true beleiver.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by kpo:
Perhaps you're right, but I think you completely misunderstand the administration's purpose here. It's no secret that Obama favours a 'balanced' approach to closing the deficit. Who are the people blocking that? Republicans. So instead of continuing to make the case for a balanced solution Obama has made a tactical switch to attacking and focussing solely on his opponents' unbalanced position. But that's just another way of achieving the same end. It's rhetoric...



Okay. you've just paraphrased the original Washington Post article I cited.

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...and I'm guessing you especially don't like it because it turns up the heat on the GOP and their ideological rigidity (and some would say slavish devotion to the rich).



Ha.

If it were up to me, I'd end the Bush tax cuts (all of them), reverse the payroll tax cuts, and also do some version of the Buffett Tax that'd insure that the folks making over $1 million pay that 30%.

Of course I'd also oppose stuff like this.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is rallying support for his plan to expand government assistance to homeowners, pressuring Congress to help lower lending rates for millions of strapped homeowners.

Obama, in his radio and Internet address Saturday, urged the public to "get on the phone, send an email, tweet," and visit with their lawmakers about his housing proposal to lower lending rates for millions of homeowners.

"They're the ones who have to pass this plan. And as anyone who has followed the news in the last six months can tell you, getting Congress to do anything these days is not an easy job," Obama said.

Obama outlined the housing plan on Wednesday, asking Congress to approve legislation that would make it easier for more borrowers to refinance their loans. The proposal would create a new program through the Federal Housing Administration that would have the government assume the risk for the new mortgages.



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Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:57 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Ha.

If it were up to me, I'd end the Bush tax cuts (all of them), reverse the payroll tax cuts, and also do some version of the Buffett Tax that'd insure that the folks making over $1 million pay that 30%.


Then it must annoy you that the almost-official position of your party is dead against *any* tax rises whatsoever, and Obama can score easy political points off of the issue.

(Btw the ideological rigidity line wasn't aimed at you, but the GOP in general.)

It's not personal. It's just war.

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