Shocking Ineptitude in candidates by AnthonyT

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Shocking Ineptitude in candidates

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Monday, December 26, 2011 13:52
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Friday, December 23, 2011 2:41 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/23/perry-ballot-petition-
rejected-in-virginia/?hpt=hp_bn3

Hello,

I am surprised that major contenders would make such a basic blunder against their own interests. It's so blatant a mistake it almost feels manufactured.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Friday, December 23, 2011 3:02 PM

DREAMTROVE

I recall his not being on the ballot in Iowa. I think it's possible that Perry is not a candidate. I'm not sure he has submitted a proper ballot proposition to any state. He might just be there to screw with the campaign. Does anyone know if Perry is on the ballot in any states?

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:20 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/24/politics/gop-virginia-primary/index.html

Hello,

Another candidate fails to gather sufficient names to appear on the ballot.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Newt claims to have the #'s, but there shouldn't even be any question. They're probably be a challenge, which will likely cost more $ and take away from his campaign, whether he's on the ballot or not.

Looks like Mitt is our defacto candidate ?

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:19 AM

DREAMTROVE

Ron Paul is still a candidate. If the GOP stands for anything, I think they should nominate Paul, who has principles and solidly believes in conservative ideals, such as the free market.

If you guys nominate Romney, it will be hard to tell why the GOP exists as a separate entity. I find Romney indistinguishable from Obama, and I see I'm not alone. FOX also had that problem:

But it's not just Obomneycare, a look at his Mass. Gov. admin. is policywise hard to differential from Obama (not identical, but not enough difference to say this is representing a truly different vision for america.)

I felt this way when the Dem's nominated Kerry, but of the GOP nominates Romney it'll be hard to see why even a conservative will vote for him, which I guess would mean four more years for Obama.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:36 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Another candidate fails to gather sufficient names to appear on the ballot.

To be fair, it can be exceedingly difficult for candidates to get on the ballot when so many signatures are needed.

You need manpower hitting the streets getting sigs. I've done it. It's hard, grueling and unrewarding work. And you need money to pay professional petitioners to do it with you.

You can get the number of signature you need, but have an unpredictable number of the signatures thrown out as "invalid." For example, if someone signs the petition twice, one is thrown out. But they can also throw sigs out for having a new address that doesn't match the one on voting record. Or being unregistered to vote. All good reasons, sure, but the point is, you can't predict how many are going to be thrown out. You can factor in a reasonable percentage of invalid sigs, but you can't do anything about it if the number thrown out exceeds your allowance.

Some states have extra difficult and unreasonable hoops to jump through as well, just as things you have to say when you petition, extra early deadlines, quotas in poorly populated counties, etc.

The bottom line is, the entire process is set up to be a convenient way to decrease options for voters. Democracy has been rigged for a long, long time.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:42 AM

DREAMTROVE

Much harder if you're not in a major party because they reject signatures of anyone registered as democrat or republican.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:26 AM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
The bottom line is, the entire process is set up to be a convenient way to decrease options for voters. Democracy has been rigged for a long, long time.

There surely is bias in the system to keep the number of candidates down, which I disagree with. Because two parties sucks. But I don't this is part of it.

A candidate who can't put together an organization capable of gathering 10,000 valid signatures is not going to be successful running the much larger organization of the USA.

Yes, getting on the ballot difficult. So is being President. I'm glad there's some basic requirements to out incompetents like Perry and Gingrich.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:13 AM

HKCAVALIER

Um. Er. Not to steal my friend Frem's thunder agian, but doesn't this simply go to show that the Republicans know votes aren't what get a body elected and they don't care who knows it? Even with evidence like this, folk are still scratching their heads wondering what happened. It will be exquisitely funny (in an anarchistic sense) when Dr. Paul runs away with every primary and Mitt Kerry still gets the nom (as in "nom nom nom...brains!")

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:28 AM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um. Er. Not to steal my friend Frem's thunder agian, but doesn't this simply go to show that the Republicans know votes aren't what get a body elected and they don't care who knows it? Even with evidence like this, folk are still scratching their heads wondering what happened. It will be exquisitely funny (in an anarchistic sense) when Dr. Paul runs away with every primary and Mitt Kerry still gets the nom (as in "nom nom nom...brains!")

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Well, I think there is incompetence involved, and thank goodness the public seems have finally learned that putting idiots in charge doesn't work out well. Perry is a second coming of Bush, but people aren't buying it this time.

I think there also a lot of complacency behind it. Repubs are used to getting away with being tools, because they get in through other means. You know, by owning the system.

Mitt Kerry? Ha!

Ron Paul scares me and I don't want him in office, but man would I be happy if he got the nom, or at least go really really close. Two reasons:

1 - he'd start some *fabulous* conversations and the debates would be fantastic. At least, the press would be forced to stop ignoring him.

2 - every other politician would radically shift as a result. The nomination going to Paul would send a huge message about what the American people want. CHANGE! Serious change, not this tiptoe-y crap Obama's been doing.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:45 PM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Yes, getting on the ballot difficult. So is being President. I'm glad there's some basic requirements to out incompetents like Perry and Gingrich.

It rules out incompetents, true. But it also rules out poor, but competent candidates. This country is supposed to give everyone a fair chance, not only rich folks. But that is what it's come to.

I think there were something like 9 presidential candidates in Peru for the last election. If a candidate doesn't get over 50% of the vote, there is a runoff election. I like that better. Less requirements to get on the ballot. More choices for the voter. Then a runoff when it is down to the final two candidates, so you can do the "lesser of two evils" vote.

More candidates equals more choices. Democracy is supposed to give us more choices.

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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:17 PM

JONGSSTRAW

The only white house in Ron Paul's future.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:27 PM

DREAMTROVE

HK,

But we can try. I mean, if the republicans would demand to stand for something, the media wouldn't be able to manipulate them into believing that they want Romney.

I suspect that a real person could win a primary, and then they would rig the general. If it wasn't so, they would have no need for the two tiered election system.

But now they have the voting machines, who knows. Perhaps you're right and there's no choice, Romney was appointed before the process began, but it's still worth a shot to try to show them that they don't really want Romney.

However, seeing how the dems I know are still drooling at the feet of Obama, perhaps it is truly hopeless.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:02 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

I wonder if some of these candidates really thought they could actually win from the outset, or if their end game was more the money they could make from being a candidate. Newt? He's probably quietly shocked that he's at the top. Palin showed the way - books deals, speaking engagements, the list goes on. As bad as Perry has been can he really think he has a chance? Bachman? Big picture, what keeps any of them besides Mitt running? Can you think of anything else that strokes your ego as much and gets you so much public $attention and goodies? If you really are a serious contender you have people who just don't let these things happen.

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Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:45 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
If you really are a serious contender you have people who just don't let these things happen.

I supposed if you are in a major party, there is little excuse.

But as someone who has campaigned hard for a third party candidate, I can attest that money is a HUGE factor in getting yourself heard and on the ballot. Professional petitioners charge $2-3 a signature. You need probably 13K sigs to get 10K valid ones. That is $26,000-$39,000, just for sigs in one state. That may be nothing for a major party candidate, but it is a huge amount for someone who has fresh ideas and not independently wealthy.

I don't think democracy was supposed to work only for people with money, is all.

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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree with Pizmo. I never thought Cain was a serious candidate; having seen what running did for Palin, I just assumed a number of them (especially Cain and Gingrich) were there just to make money from the free publicity. Bearing in mind that Gingrich was doing book signings sometimes rather than campaign stops, it seemed fairly obvious to me. But then who knows? Yes, I imagine he was pretty shocked to wind up on top(ish, as he's been going down), and he certainly hasn't got the ground game or money, but the whole slate of candidates are a joke, far as I'm concerned. I just figure they screwed up this time and the truly valid candidates are waiting for 2016. I guess we shall have to wait and see.

Believing Paul has a chance is silly; Repubs aren't going to buy his dove-ish stance on wars, and the "legalize drugs" thing scares 'em to death, in my opinion.

Pretty funny that they were this discombooberated, tho'. Just par for the course, with the current candidates.

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Monday, December 26, 2011 1:52 PM

RIONAEIRE

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It would seem that they're all incompetant.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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