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You can stick a fork in Perry-- He's done!

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:33 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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At the big debate tonight, Perry got going about there being 3 Federal agencies he would cut-- the first 2 were Commerce and Education. But then he couldn't remember the 3rd one!!!

Ron Paul jumped in and suggested the EPA, to which Perry agreed. Then later, after he got a hint from his handlers, he corrected himself to the Dept of Energy.

Guy's so dumb-- How dumb was he, Johnny?-- he couldn't even remember 3 points. Lessee, whatta I gotta do tomorrow? Get up, eat breakfast, declare war on who? ANd damn, I fergot to put on my pants...

Vote for him, he won't even remember who he promised what while on the campaign trail. If he backed YOUR issue, or your program, how can you be even a tiny bit sure he'll EVEN REMEMBER. His handlers will be running the country one day after the Inauguration.

Maybe he needs a good VP- Cheney is available, and experienced.


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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"But then he couldn't remember the 3rd one!!!"

OOOOOPS!

Kind of a while ago I predicted Perry was going to be the R nominee. On paper he has all the right credentials. But I didn't give much credit to what I heard, which was that people who know him IRL say he's pretty dumb (that was the word they used to describe him, and I quote - 'dumb').

So, after seeing some RL Perry, now I'm left wondering, how the HELL did he ever wind up governor of Texas? For so long? And Texas voters - what are they thinkin'?

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA



For mine own I am not precisely sure how much of the dope is the kind he is, and how much is whatever substance he's imbibing.

-F

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:30 AM

CANTTAKESKY


There are precious few articulate, intelligent politicians on either side of the political divide. But it seems to me, and maybe I'm prejudiced, that there are even fewer on the right side.

Who cares about presidential candidates anyway? Haven't we seen from the past few elections that there is no change in the system, no matter who is President?

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Perry's over. His performance last night handed the Obama campaign the ultimate "It's 3am..." commercial.

Let's see... It's 3am. The phone rings; Perry answers it. "Ummmmm... Uhhhhhh... It's... ummmmm... I... can't... uhhhh... oops."

Meanwhile, Obama answers the phone and gives clear instructions: "Take out those pirates. Kill Bin Laden. Oust Khaddafi."



And really - Perry forgot that he wants to do away with THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT?! He's the governor of Texas, goes on and on about our oil and natural gas, but forgot that he hates the Department of Energy?

That's something beyond dumb.


I know how Perry got to be Governor (he took over for Dubya), but I've never understood how anyone could vote for him.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:13 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And really - Perry forgot that he wants to do away with THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT?! He's the governor of Texas, goes on and on about our oil and natural gas, but forgot that he hates the Department of Energy?

That's something beyond dumb.


I'm no Perry fan, but he's been a fine Governor. I never supported his running for President.

This was not a "look at how stupid he is" moment. This is a "feel sorry because he just screwed up so big he can't recover moment".

Its like watching an champion caliber ice-skater fall during the Olympics or a top Quarterback throw five interceptions in the Super Bowl. I don't care what party someone is...I just hate to see someone go out like that. Ok, Perry was never champion caliber. so maybe its more like watching someone blow their one big chance on American Idol by forgetting the words to the song.

What happened to Perry is not uncommon, its happened to everyone at some point (except Barrack Obama...teleprompters).

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:27 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
so maybe its more like watching someone blow their one big chance on American Idol by forgetting the words to the song.



The fact that you equate running for president with performing on American Idol... is very insightful.

Perry is dumb because he didn't write those 3 things down on his hand! - didn't Palin teach the Reps anything??

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I kind of agree, it was embarrassing to watch, and I find it hard to believe he's THAT dumb...I can't help wondering about imbibing things. But then, watching it he didn't look drunk, he looked totally lost. I can't help feeling sorry for the guy--I haven't taken him seriously for quite a while anyway, so it didn't really mean anything to me, just sad to watch.

I think more important to me was Cain's statement about his current "problems"--tho' I don't take him seriously either anymore, the crowd reaction made my stomach turn. These people really ARE that stupid, aren't they?

They're saying "watch out for Newt" now...why can't these people make up their MINDS?!? Yeah, so Romney's the Great White Nope, but it sure seems stupid for them to keep swinging back and forth again and again rather than accept him. Doesn't show a particular overabundance of brains.

And this year at least, yes, I DO think the Repubs have put up a slate of pretty dumb candidates. Actually, going back the same is true last time around--not with McCain (who I think is fairly smart, IF a sell-out), but, I mean, PALIN? The only valid excuse for her was to put an unknown and a woman on the ticket. Which is also pretty stupid...



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Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

Even a monkey can memorize 10 numbers.

Are you stupider than a monkey ?

- Troy McClure



Seems Perry is.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:13 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


So, after seeing some RL Perry, now I'm left wondering, how the HELL did he ever wind up governor of Texas? For so long?




One of my favorite political theories is that Vice Presidents are nebbishes. They are chosen to
balance the ticket or to bring in One more state on Election Day. I wish I could attribute THAT Idea-- it's not mine, belongs to some prof or writer who influenced me. Historically it's self-evident.

Over 200 plus years, a handful have done more than be chairman pro tem of the Senate: a few have had to perform their function as a spare tire. Most of those, who have has greatness handed to them, have managed to step up and perform well. Not all.But most VP's have been forgettable.

And what does this have to do with Rick Perry?

Well, Bush 41 was a VP before. and so was a forgettable President. Haven't heard any Repubs mention his name in a long time.

The son of a nebbish is gonna be a nebbish too. That explains Bush 43-- everybody says Jeb is the smart one.

So Perry was the vice governor of a son of a nebbish. So he started out pretty far down the food chain.

There must not have been a lot of competition for a low-esteem job like that, so he got it handed to him.

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:54 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


While sitting here typing, I hear from the TV in the livingroom some tweets answering the question "Should Rick Perry be President", the response: "I'm voting for him, it's the only way we can get him out of Texas". Giggle.



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Friday, November 11, 2011 7:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


At least he can make fun of himself:
Quote:

After his infamous "brain freeze" that drew laughter and ridicule from his detractors, Texas Gov. Rick Perry poked fun at himself Thursday night while delivering the "Top Ten" list on CBS' "The Late Show with David Letterman."

Perry sauntered on stage smiling, clapped his hands and saluted the crowd before rattling off the "Top Ten Rick Perry Excuses." Among them:

No. 6: "You try concentrating with Mitt Romney smiling at you. That is one handsome dude!"

No. 5: "Uh, El Nino?"

No. 4: "I had a 5-hour Energy drink six hours before the debate."

No. 2: "I wanted to help take the heat off my buddy Herman Cain."

No. 1: "I just learned Justin Bieber is my father."

The morning after the debacle, Perry said his "brain freeze" showed he is not "the slickest politician" among the field of Republican presidential hopefuls.

His campaign, meanwhile, sought to raise funds off the gaffe, encouraging supporters to send $5 for every government agency they "would like to forget."

Operatives from the left and the right slammed the moment as a potential sign of Perry's campaign imploding. The New York Times quoted Mark McKinnon, an aide to former President George W. Bush, as calling the moment the "human equivalent of shuttle Challenger."

Speaking to CNN's Christine Romans on Thursday, Perry said, "we need substance more than we need style" and tried to turn the incident into an attack on President Barack Obama.

When Romans said that the president has to be "debater in chief," Perry responded, "We've got a debater in chief right now. And you've got to ask yourself: How's that working out for America?"

His campaign sent out a note to supporters saying, "We've all had human moments."

The note from "Team Perry" points out that Obama, at a campaign stop during the 2008 election, referred to having visited "57 states."

"Ronald Reagan got lost somewhere on the Pacific Highway in an answer to a debate question," the note adds. "Gerald Ford ate a tamale without removing the husk. And tonight Rick Perry forgot the third agency he wants to eliminate. Just goes to show there are too damn many federal agencies." http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/11/politics/perry-gaffe/index.html?hpt=hp_b
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, that's what it shows, fer shore. Get 'em down to two, and elect Perry President!



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Friday, November 11, 2011 8:32 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Haven't we seen from the past few elections that there is no change in the system, no matter who is President?"

Well, uhm, there was a big difference between Bush I and Clinton, and Clinton and Bush II.

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Friday, November 11, 2011 9:01 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Bush II and all his neocon dwarves were incredibly stupid, going after the Iraqi non-threat and not even managing to get the oil! What were they thinking???

But Bill Clinton was a whole 'nuther kind of pro-corporate, pro-Wall Street 'droid: Digital Millenium Copyright Act. NAFTA, CAFTA, and SHAFTA. Doing away with the Glass Steagall Act. DOMA.

Ick.

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Friday, November 11, 2011 9:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


While sitting here typing, I hear from the TV in the livingroom some tweets answering the question "Should Rick Perry be President", the response: "I'm voting for him, it's the only way we can get him out of Texas". Giggle.







While I can fully understand and empathize with that sentiment, there's no way I could do that to my country.

No need to get him out of Texas; he's done here, too. Even his supporters are embarrassed to be seen with him at this point.

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Friday, November 11, 2011 9:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooops...I posted this in response to Kiki's post, the other two came along as I was typing. So Kiki:

Was there really? Yes, there was less OVERT change from Clinton to Bush, but how much REAL difference was there? Bush II definitely overreached...but his overreaching where power is concerned hasn't gone away, has it? Things have been put in place which have made the government's power stronger--they're still there. The wealth gap has been growing for a very long time--it just took a bigger leap under Bush. Taxes on corporations and the uber-wealthy have been going down for how many decades now? (ETA Thank you Sig...those were specifics making the point I was trying to.)

The way I'm seeing it now, what we're suffering from these days has taken a long, long time to happen, and there hasn't been a President or Congress which has stopped it in my memory--slowed it sometimes, but not stopped or reversed the trends. Look at all the things that have gone wrong with this country...when did they start, can you pin-point a specific President under which they began? Yeah, Reagan is one place to KIND OF start, but like Bush II, to me he was just an over-achiever, someone who came along who was charismatic enough to make big steps rather than small ones. Then pendulum has been swinging right, then more right, then less right, and again more right, for a very long time, and the "more right" seems to have been growing exponentially since Bush II.

I dunno, I don't think I'm convinced there's all that much difference...maybe more like a stone rolling down a hill and gaining momentum as it rolls.

And yes, Mike; it was a tweeted funny, nothing more, you know that. I'll be happy to see Perry lose power in Texas if that's so, but given your history down there, I can't help fearing for who's NEXT!



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Friday, November 11, 2011 9:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, Perry should have done what Bush did... put a receiver-transmitter between his shoulder blades and a wire in his ear, and have people feed him the answers!

I will never forget Bush II during one of his debates snarling (to no one in sight) Let me finish! Just talking to the voices in his head, eh?
http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834520b4b69e201156f63e8e2970
b-pi


Nonetheless, there is prolly about 15% of the population who identifies with Perry's performance and finds it humanizing... maybe even endearing. This nation has never been big on intellectualism.

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Friday, November 11, 2011 9:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... but his overreaching where power is concerned hasn't gone away, has it?"

Obama has definitely delivered less than promised. But even though McCain is only a theoretical future, I think he would have been worse. He would have been the vindication of the people who ran Bush II - imagine the Bush II administration on a 'roid rage.

"Taxes on corporations and the uber-wealthy have been going down for how many decades now?"

They went up under Clinton. It was Bush II who brought them down.

This isn't to say that BIG MONEY (in caps and bold) hasn't got a significant hold on our government. But when you make too broad generalizations you lose important distinctions. Gabrielle Giffords is not Michele Bachmann. Bernie Sanders is not Joe Lieberman.

So the idea is to vote and keep on voting in the direction you want to go.


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Friday, November 11, 2011 10:59 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, uhm, there was a big difference between Bush I and Clinton, and Clinton and Bush II.

To me, that's like saying there is a big difference between burnt umber and raw umber.

Obviously, "big" doesn't mean the same thing to you as it does to me.

Here is an example of MY use of the word, "big."

"There was a big difference between Thomas Jefferson and Clinton."

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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth. -- Lucy Parsons (1853-1942, labor activist and anarcho-communist)

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Friday, November 11, 2011 11:15 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


While sitting here typing, I hear from the TV in the livingroom some tweets answering the question "Should Rick Perry be President", the response: "I'm voting for him, it's the only way we can get him out of Texas". Giggle.





Come ta think of it, that's what we Californio's did with Reagan.

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Friday, November 11, 2011 11:21 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"There was a big difference between Thomas Jefferson and Clinton."

The five year old punk in me wants to point out they both had the name 'Jefferson' somewhere.

Otherwise, sometimes you get small differences, sometimes you get large leaps. I'll take whatever is available, as long as I keep going the way I want.



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EVERY SINGLE YEAR BETWEEN 1996 AND 2005 66% OF ALL FCDS CORPORATIONS PAID NO TAXES.
I think the current tax structure is about right for corporations. - Geezer


Without the benefit of the surrounding society, a corporation dies. If society looks at a corporation and says 'work, or die', what work should be demanded of the corporation for it to earn its survival?

While Wall St. is going through the roof, Main St. is paying all the bills.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....


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Friday, November 11, 2011 11:31 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
To me, that's like saying there is a big difference between burnt umber and raw umber.





Of course, to an artist, that is a significant difference.

Something need not be "big" to be significant.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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