Multiculturalism by Wishimay

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Identify 10 or more different local restauranteurs who each represent a different cultural cuisine.

(Thai, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Cuban, American, French, Italian, Argentinian, etc)

Invite them to attend 'Food of the World' day at the school. They should each bring hot samples of some key foods along with coupons for their restaurants that the kids can bring to their parents. Or maybe coupon books can be prepared for distribution that have coupons to all of their restaurants.

At around lunch time, the kids can filter through the 'food of the world' stands taking little samples of the various cuisines, along with the coupon books. The children may possibly be invited to write essays about the different food they tried, and anything they learned from the food stand operators about the uniqueness or special quality of food in the regions represented.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 3:33 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Multiculturalism works for foods, music, and interesting national costumes, but not so much for child-bride kidnap and rape (H'mong), female mutilation and other forms of repression (most of Africa and the Mideast); enabling of blatant corruption by low-level officials (Mexico and many other nations south of the border) etc.

Every nation, every economy, has to have some things that nearly everyone agrees on, otherwise that entity will dissolve: a common language and a common ethic. If the immigrants aren't able to accept the common ethic, they should go back home.

So stick with food, music, and costumes. Those are quaint and interesting.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:07 AM

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"I probably should put this in General Discussions"

Hello,

Yeah, on further review, that might have been for the best. Otherwise you might get the impression that the defining aspect of foreign cultures is rape, murder, and oppression.

Thanks, Signy.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 5:26 AM

Jaded as it may be, might be on to something there...maybe having a poster representing the top ten countries of the world and listing some positive and some negative things about each might be a good way to get the kids to see no country is perfect.

And yeah, I realized when I put this here what I was getting into

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Friday, September 9, 2011 5:28 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I wonder if the U.S. would make a top ten country list (by what criteria) and if so, what negative things would you be allowed to say about the U.S. without getting into hot water?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 5:47 AM

BYTEMITE

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but not so much for child-bride kidnap and rape (H'mong)

I've been trying to look this up but I can't find information on it other than they marry the girls off at about the age girls used to be married off in the United States. I'm not sure why they're so much worse than other cultures, or even our own, or why they've been brought up.

The African thing is accurate, with some rape going on there as well, but I'd also agree with Anthony that this is not the only aspect of the various cultures of Africa.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 5:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

My point is not that all foreign cultures are bad, but that in order to BE a culture, one must have a unified language and ethos.

The reason why I bring up language is because language is the summed history and knowledge of a group of people. It is the next thing you learn, after learning how to focus on faces and lift your head... it comes THAT early in the learning process. Language defines not only what you think of as "things" and "action", but also the logic that connects them. For example, did you know there is no past or future verb form in Chinese? Or that "he" and "she" are absent? So "She went to the store" literally cannot be constructed. In Hungarian, there is no word for "the". So people perforce tend to speak rather generically. In Navajo, there is no word for "I". What does that do to individualism?

And ethos... each culture assumes what is required to survive, and each culture has different ways of achieving survival. For the Mayans, for whom rain was a life-and-death matter, sacrificing thousands of humans made sense. So all I'm saying is that generic acceptance of "multiculturalism" is actually rather naive.
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BYTE:

Hmong Refugee Sentenced to Prison for Child-Kidnap-Rape Diversity
www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2010/07/04/hmong-refugee-sentenced-to-
prison-for-child-kidnap-rape-diversity/

The reason why I know about it is there is a large Hmong immigrant population in California's Central Valley, and this comes up every few years.

Again, not pejorative to all cultures, just a caution that many cultures come with ethics and practices that violate our fundamental ethics, and that broadly promoting "multiculturalism" is a little naive. The world is more than Disney's version of "It's a Small World After All"... and now damn it, the song is stuck in my head.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 6:05 AM

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Hello,

Sometimes, I am evil.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 6:14 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

OMG it's an earworm!!!!

I have an earworm, and it's burrowing into my braaaaaiiiiiiiiin!!!!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..............!

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Friday, September 9, 2011 7:51 AM

DREAMTROVE

Just cause I'm sitting waiting in a doctor's office, I'll butt in.

Wish I May,

Don't do the negative. You might think of it as fair and balanced, but kids won't, and the bullies will pick up on the negative and use it to tease other kids or spread childish propaganda. Hey, it's what politicians do.

Also, don't avoid the cultures more distinctive sides, just find something positive. Collect a list of like "ten things you like about being a muslim" or whatever from the muslim kids, and you'll find some distinctly positive things. It's probably also good if you can get some good kids as a test audience from another perspective, like some jewish kids says "hey, that's pretty nifty, I didn't know muslims did that." or something, then you probably have a good one. I can't think of any, because most of their best habits, we've copied over the centuries, and the kids are likely to think of them as western, you know, stuff like forks and towels, just good ideas. Our ancestors? They didn't bathe and they ate with their hands. Still, I suppose throwing some of that stuff in there, like "the origin of this comes from... Does anyone know?" and have stuff from all over the world that we use all the time.

Failing any of that, I support the food idea, it almost doesn't fail, but it can. You should go to the restaurant and try it, and think as a kid. Is this like a candy bar meets cream puff? Or is it just broiled octopus?

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Friday, September 9, 2011 9:31 AM

I probably should add that 99.99% are white and regular Christian. They don't even ever discuss other religions here, and other cultures only in a generalized sense. I'd also say 99.9 have never been to another country.

I hadn't planned on harping on negativity. That doesn't usually go over so well with the kids or parents. I just want to remind people that there is a whole other planet out there. Maybe I just need to move. It would probably be easier. But considering we're lucky enough to have a job-when a good part of the country doesn't...maybe I'll just bang my head against a wall until I go blind. I've been watching Daria on dvd lately......sighing helps a little.

I'll check into the food thing. And maybe an "Intersting things about Countries around the world" poster ...And maybe get a pinata. Little buggers like ta hit things, right? I could get one of a Muslim, one of a mexican, one of a black and one Jew(for PNews). But then how would anything have changed.........

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Friday, September 9, 2011 9:55 AM

BYTEMITE

Falafel is delicious and Arabic (though not all Muslims are Arabic, true, just an idea).

Also algebra. Though the kids might be less enthused about that.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 10:36 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

If it were me, I would pick things that are totally different from what kids here experience. It wouldn't be hard, things like how people in different countries live.

Off the top of my head: Americans tend to require more personal space than in other cultures. So if you try to get too close to an American during your conversation, he or she will feel that you are "in their face" and will try to back away. It's different in Japan.

It is considered rude to say 'no' out-right in China. Often, a native Hong Kong resident will walk away from a conversation after saying something like 'I'll think about it' with the impression that they've refused while the American will think that the person will, indeed 'think about it'.

In Canada, since a lot of people speak French and 20% of the population of Canada is French-Canadian, on most things not only English is written but so is French--you could show a sign or something from Canada in French and English.

In France, When you are eating at the table, both of your hands must be on the table. if you have bread, the bread goes on the table, not on your plate. If you are a little bit thirsty, and you're very hot, you will have to ask for a lot of ice. In France, in the soda, you will have one ice cube, two if it's hot.

My husband ordered vodka over ice in Italy--the guy kept staring at him and asking if that's what he wanted. What he got was vodka over ICE CREAM, because "ice cream" is called "ice" there.

Driving in India is very different from driving in America. Indians seem to snub almost all road laws including red lights and helmets, so it can get very crazy. In the U.S. you can for the most part get in a cab and say where you’re going and get there. In India you almost always have to know where you are going and that also almost always involves landmarks as few streets are properly labeled. Something like: “Go past Apollo hospital and when you get to the fork with the temple, stay to the right. Go about 1km and make a right at the VSIP sign.” Navigating involves all parties in the vehicle and can become quite a bonding experience with the driver. Cows are sacred in India, so go wherever they want, even on the road. You must never harm a cow.

In Afghanistan, Women and men will never shake hands let alone speak directly to one another. Eye contact should also be avoided between men and women. Between men eye contact is acceptable as long as it is not prolonged - it is best to only occasionally look someone in the eyes. If a man speaks to a woman directly in a social context, he is dishonouring her. If someone speaks to a woman on the street, that is equally inappropriate. Women should avoid looking men in the eyes, and keep their eyes lowered when they walk down the street to maintain their reputation as a proper woman.

Things like in Afghanistan they eat sitting on the floor, usually on cushions, and you should sit cross legged if you can, or however is comfortable, but never with legs outstretched and your feet facing people. Food is generally served communally and everyone will share from the same dish. Food is usually scooped up into a ball at the tip of the fingers, then eaten. Everything is done with the right hand; eating, passing food, receiving food (you don't need to tell them that's because the left hand is used to go to the bathroom!), and if you don't leave a bit of food on your plate, it will keep being refilled.

You could have pictures representing these differences, kids love photos and they make more of an impact than words. Like a photo of driving in India, for example:

Cows have the right of way

Four on a motorcycle

Buses in Afghanistan are painted vividly:

(Sorry, I lived in Afghanistan so Asia's what I know most about)I'm sure you could find colorful photos to illustrate cultural differnces you come up with from all over the world.

Things are so different in different countries, I think it would be GREAT for kids to be exposed to cultures from different countries! That would be my suggestion.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, September 9, 2011 10:36 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Stick with food, and maybe clothing - one thing I miss about Detroit is how our insane levels of rabid nationalism and paranoia have discouraged folk from wearing anything that might be percieved as foreign, bleh...

But food, and the sharing of it, is one of THE most basic of human interactions, involving both a conscious and subconscious level of trust and willingness to accept folk as something besides "other", to acknowledge them as people, and that's a good place to start.

Me and my buddy Rev managed to actually open real negotiations with the Albanians over in Kosovo with chocolate chip cookies, which led to some very real progress in locating and removing degraded and dangerous caches of arms and the like - they might not have trusted the smooth talking negotiators, but the guy who tried to learn their language and speak to them in it, who shared his cookies, they trusted HIM, you see.

Start with food, trust me - and natural curiosity will engage and continue the process far beyond even your expectations, trust me on this.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 10:47 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

But Frem, food doesn't help children learn about different CULTURES. It's an easy one, of course, but think how much he could make them think, widen their horizons, by explaining/showing some really dramatic differences between cultures (especially SHOWING). It changes your whole world when you live in a dramatically different culture from America, and we're so DAMNED insular, any child could benefit from realizing just HOW different countries are. I know I'm a pest about this, but I think the idea is fantastic and it always amazes me how little American's understand about the rest of the world.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, September 9, 2011 11:22 AM

Thank you for the info Niki! I'll probably work on this for a while, so if you remember anything else interesting, please post it....

Or I could just bring YOU in for show and tell, heh.

BTW, what DO they call ice? And what was the worst thing you've ever eaten?

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Friday, September 9, 2011 12:10 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Multiculturalism... heh.

Ok.

1. Fried chicken (and watermelon)

2. Ludafisk.

3. Sushi.

4. Bagels (or matza balls)

5. Pho

6. Hamburgers.

7. Kabob

8. Rice and beans

Really, should I go on? The food we have here, in America, is an example of the many cultures that have come here.

Maybe, instead of "celebrating "multiculturalism" you should figure out a way where all the different cultures can coalesce into one AMERICAN culture.

AND, maybe celebrating so called "multiculturalism" is the dumbest thing ever.

Yeah, we are a melting pot, but stop separating the ingredients.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Friday, September 9, 2011 12:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I wonder if the U.S. would make a top ten country list (by what criteria) and if so, what negative things would you be allowed to say about the U.S. without getting into hot water?

--Anthony

Anyone can say anything they want about the US here, with out fear of reprisal from the federal govt. Doesn't mean there won't be repercussions, though.

Just ask the Dixie Twits..err.. Chicks.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 9, 2011 12:36 PM

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"Yeah, we are a melting pot, but stop separating the ingredients."

Hello,

Does this mean you are abandoning your previous position, Sir, and will soon be asking for advice about AMERICAN Flash Mobs?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 12:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Yeah, we are a melting pot, but stop separating the ingredients."

Hello,

Does this mean you are abandoning your previous position, Sir, and will soon be asking for advice about AMERICAN Flash Mobs?

--Anthony

Check mate. Good one, T.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 2:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Thank you for the info Niki! I'll probably work on this for a while, so if you remember anything else interesting, please post it....

Or I could just bring YOU in for show and tell, heh.

BTW, what DO they call ice? And what was the worst thing you've ever eaten?

Are the teachers happy to co-operate on this? Otherwise it will probably be fairly superficial. When my son's school does multicultural day, they three things that usually occur are - the kids are invited to dress up in national costume or colours of another country, there is usually some food making that occurs, so the kids get to make food that is from another country, and they have often had some time to prepare the flags of a country. Each class will given a country to make a flag, and they spend the day learning about that country/

I like Anthony's idea of inviting local restaurants to donate food.

I had to admit it, but Rappy may have a point as well. Like your school, ours looks anglo and Christian, but underneath all that, most everyone has come from somewhere. Like America, Australia is country of immigrants and its sometimes hard to see that because cultures have integrated, but in the end, kids actually came from Holland, Germany, Ireland, Scotland, England, Italy or had Aboriginal descendants.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 3:56 PM

I guess this is more about me noticing a huge gap in education about the rest of the planet than anything else...My daughter is in third grade and the last time I remember ANY work done or mention of other cultures or even other countries was Kindergarten. I know they'll probably take world history when they get to high school-but I think that is just waaay too late. Fortunately, my kid's school has long school days, but I feel they spend way too much time having Halloween-Thanksgiving-Christmas-Easter-Valentines Parties that are already a part of secular religious services and not enough LEARNING THINGS ABOUT THINGS!

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:03 PM

BYTEMITE

It's like a sardine and chocolate sandwich, mixing flavours that function perfectly well on their own and losing the unique qualities in the process can surely only be good.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:28 PM

Well, I'd ask if you're preggers...but I think I'll just go ahead and refuse all future invitations to dinner now...

Bender: WHAT? I put 10% less than the recommended lethal dose of salt...
Fry: THAT'S THE SALTIEST THING I'VE EVER EATEN-and I once ate a huge heaping bowl of salt....

The things that run through my head.....

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Well, I said start with food, but yanno, why not find a reasonable person from that culture who's willing to discuss it with them in an age-appropriate manner, and have them do so while offering a traditional dish from their culture, heck, some of them, at least the Pashtuns I know, would be quite happy to make it themselves.

What I find ironic is that even most adult americans have no clue how different middle eastern cultures can be from each other, for example some of the more conservative-traditional Pashtun, versus modern day Berbers, who most folk wouldn't even think were middle eastern if they didn't tell you.

But why not see if you can find people FROM the cultures you wish to include who are willing to help you out ?

Just a thought.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 6:00 PM

That would be harder than you think. You said you've been to Southern Indiana, right?
There's not much mix in this gene pool.

I think there's a hindu temple an hour away...

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Friday, September 9, 2011 10:00 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh yes, and they SHOT AT ME, but that tale for another day, also been to Wakarusa/Napanee and got into it with the local set of family and friends which damn near owns the freakin place, not gonna discuss that, but definately the shallow end of the gene, not to mention diversity, pool...

Anyhows, have you tried contacting orgs that might be willing to assist you in this matter, like CAIR ?
http://www.cair.com/
I'm sure they'd be happy to assist, if needs be I can even throw a nudge or two over past kindnesses, you might say.

I'm sure there are other orgs worth askin, too.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:54 AM

I appreciate the offer, but this has got to be handled delicately. I don't wanna get shot at -or make my kid's life harder...

One of the bigger schools in the area had a multi-cultural day recently and I'm going to go there and ask what they did, first.

And I got the Backwoods Bash next weekend...so some things'll are just more important and will have to wait a while

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Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:22 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Definitely a good idea, in my opinion. It's so important that we learn about other cultures, and we're not given much chance to. Just think if our soldiers had known something about Iraq/Afghanistan before going over there--not only would we have been more effective, but THEY'd have gone through far less culture shock. I know kids get world history type stuff in high school, but the younger, the more impressionable, and to have SOME idea of how different the rest of the world is can only be a good thing. I've seen stuff on TV that shows kids today can't even find countries on the maps, which blows my mind! Definitely a map! Gawd, that sounds so fun...to show where a country is on the map, then like photos of the dress, pictures and information about cultural differences, some food, maybe play some music in the background from that country, I'd love such a project; I envy you.

If you look up "cultural differences between the U.S. and", you'll find tons of stuff. That's where I got some of the European information I posted; the Middle East and Asia, I already know. Hey, if I can help any by finding photos, a cultural difference or two from each, photos of clothing from differnt countries, I'd be tickled to help. Obviously a smattering of MANY countries, including Europe, South America, Africa, the Scandinavian countries, 'cuz too much Asia/Middle East would probably upset parents as well as admin, they'd think you were trying to indoctrinate the little stinkers!

Just pm me if I can be of any help; that would be a lot of fun to research. I, too, know little about places other than where I lived, so I'd love learning (and of course, being lazy, I'd have to have a REASON to do so)

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:52 AM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

I probably should add that 99.99% are white and regular Christian. They don't even ever discuss other religions here, and other cultures only in a generalized sense. I'd also say 99.9 have never been to another country.

You have ten thousand kids?

Seriously, though, yeah, sorry, I thought the group would represent the cultures. In the all whitey group, yeah, probably best to stick to foods and clothes, maybe a dvd..

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Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:03 PM

Ohh, I got an idea! We could have each grade make a poster about any country and then give out "passports" that they get stamped if they can read the posters and answer a question right with adults for each country in costume, with food, maybe..

That'd be fun...

Or play "Pin the country on the place"

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Sunday, September 11, 2011 6:35 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Wish, I think its a great idea to have multicultural day, you could even call it around-the-world day too if you wanted. I don't know why Signe is in a mood today, of course you shouldn't tell little ones in third grade about rape and murder in detail, why would she say all that stuff. Oh well, I suppose we all have bad days.

I think foods are a great way to get the ball rolling, then you could show pictures and have them all write down three facts that they learnt about other countries, you could play little bits of music from other places or have some folk come dressed in the fancy clothes of other places, like Kimonos etc. I remember when I was a young girl we had multcultural day at church, my aunt's coworker lent me her Kimono to wear, I felt really special. So we all wore things from other places, saw some slides of other places and then played a mystery game where we ate food from other places and were told what it was after we tried it. Our favorite was the cocanut candy from Japan I believe it was. It was lots of fun and we enjoyed ourselves very much. Learning about other cultures can be really fun and interesting, plus you'll be teaching them something new and exciting. You should totally do it!!!

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, September 12, 2011 6:24 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Wish, I think you're onto some good ideas there. I guess I don't "get" the food thing, kids probably love it, but to me, it's not as important as learning about the people and places. We eat Chinese here--Americanized of course, and pizza doesn't come from Italy, but a lot of kids get exposed to some food or other from other places. So it's probably just me; I think costumes and posters are great ideas; and maps, of course!

If I can help in any way, like I said, just holler. Given you said "grades", sounds like there's more than one; that's quite a task for one person!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, January 4, 2017 11:36 AM

differences between the West and Japan

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Wednesday, January 4, 2017 12:45 PM

Wow, this was a while ago.

Unfortunately, I brought it up to the one and only PTO meeting I attended, and was immediately shot down by one bitch who acted like she spoke for everyone else... I stood up, said, "Well then, if there is to be no intelligent discussion here today, this isn't the place for me." and I left.

They then voted to have a "Duck Dynasty" week. To which I lodged a formal complaint, and they couldn't do that either.

Stooopid bitches, man. All I wanted was a fun day of kids learning...

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Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:33 AM

That's the problem with all this fighting over "multiculturalism".

That's not what repubs want to eradicate, if they would stop and think about things for second (not much of a chance there). Diverse culture is good for the DNA, good for innovation, production of goods, ect.

They want to pretend ALL immigration as a threat.

We intelligent people know that it isn't, but pretty much everyone can now agree that middle eastern men, and many Mexican men and African men are despicably violent. I wouldn't have a statistic to back that up, and I wouldn't trust a survey these countries would do themselves. (keep in mind native Blacks AND Whites are also pretty damn violent, and maybe that's where the threat comes in.... THEY DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE MORE VIOLENT THAN THEY ARE....????

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I wish that republicans would just be honest about what parts of "multiculturalism" it is they don't want.

Historically in this country, we've had rapid growth of business ownership among immigrants, including Chinese, Japanese, Jews, Italians, Greeks, and Koreans. Their money is the good color of green, as long as they don't cause too much trouble...

There are a great many people from many cultures that come here, money in hand. My spouse works for one of those groups. Chances are, many of you have done so as well.

I think having a system of assigning threat levels to people from specific areas and telling these people "You wanna come here, you WILL submit to active monitoring, lie detection, wait lists, spot checks, and we can deport your ass if you so much as BREATHE funny." Is a good step. You ain't free until you prove you DESERVE it. And that's for the people LOW on threat lists. I got nothing against statistical profiling, as long as it's done with reason and not blind malice. I loves me some actuaries

Oh, and building a "wall" is the dumbest damn thing, EVER. Y'all know they have VEHICLES, right? They swim rivers and walk deserts, climbing a wall or driving through a checkpoint is NOTHIN', but a wall is a waste of time and money.

Much like gun control, can't do anything about it, except executing them, even then...won't slow down much... Determined people usually aren't easily swayed...

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Thursday, January 5, 2017 9:34 PM

Multiculturalism, Endangerment, and a New Nationalism
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2016/12/multicultural
ism-endangerment-and-a-new-nationalism.html

is Europe going to be 'balkanized'?

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Saturday, January 7, 2017 11:16 PM

I think Merkel is done, no need to post in predictions thread as I said it before...when is her next election?

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Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:42 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oct 22, 2017.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

"If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana "- SECOND

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Sunday, January 8, 2017 8:56 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

WISH, to get back to the original reason for the thread, I think that children should know that there are different cultures, but the problem is that most people don't realize just how very different a cultures can be.

Here are a few examples:

Argentina is a nation with an aggressive gray economy. Almost everyone is on the hustle. Squatting is considered a legitimate way of acquiring property. That was the impression I got from a co-worker who married an Argentinian 30 years ago, and last time I checked- with another coworker whose son is dating an Argentinian, nothing has changed.

In Mexico, bribery (and theft) is a way of life. "La mordida" ... the little bite ... is still common. When planning a trip into Mexico, especially away from tourist areas, be sure to pack extra goodies and extra cash so you can pay your "fine" on the spot to the local police and be on your way.

There are gypsies, still, in the USA. Unlike communities (like farming communities) where people stayed for a long time and their reputation became known to one and all, gypsies take great pride in being the cleverest scam artists who compete in winkling the most money out of the targets' pockets, before they disappear.

Jails have their own culture.

Some takfiris consider everyone else sub-human. To them, our culture is fat, lazy, and apostate, and they would like to convert us.

The Chinese believe that every other ethnicity is inferior. So do the Japanese, and in fact so do most other Asian cultures. They do look down on us, and they look down on each other.

Even cultures which might seem most similar, like Germany, presents its odd quirks. Germany, for example is still pretty hierachical at work.

Not everyone is like us, and not everyone even likes us, and the feeling might not be mutual.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

"If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana "- SECOND

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Tuesday, March 1, 2022 10:04 AM

Town struggles to get multiculturalism committee up and running

https://www.thewesterlysun.com/daily-news-alerts/town-struggles-to-get
-multiculturalism-committee-up-and-running/article_3fea917c-971f-11ec-9629-ebaf9d2140e0.html

Turkish penetration in the Balkans: “Strategic Depth”, Erdogan’s plan and Greece
https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/02/10/turkish-penetration-in-the-balka
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

They then voted to have a "Duck Dynasty" week. To which I lodged a formal complaint, and they couldn't do that either.

‘Duck Dynasty’ star weighs in on Joe Rogan, Whoopi Goldberg facing cancel culture
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/duck-dynasty-rogan-whoopi-cancel
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Quote:
Originally posted by pro jihadi FAGGOT firma:

Me and my buddy Rev managed to actually open real negotiations with the Albanians over in Kosovo with chocolate chip cookies

Which ones were you cheering for, no doubts Milosevic was a scumbag and a dictator but you seemed to have sucked the cock of islamism whenever you posted here on fireflyfans so were you supporting the killing of Christian Serbs in 1998 - 1999 ?

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Thursday, October 19, 2023 9:48 AM

Trumps jihad travel ban included some Marxist places not6 just islamist, Somalia, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Myanmar or Burma, Libya, Venezuela, North Korea, Tanzania, Mali, Sudan, Chad, Syria, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan and Yemen

Biden attacked from both sides over new Texas border wall
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67024003

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Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:27 AM

Biden's border crisis is the 'biggest national security failure' since 9/11: Tom Homan

https://news.yahoo.com/bidens-border-crisis-biggest-national-111453730
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