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Norway bombing/shooting

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Friday, July 22, 2011 11:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gawd, how awful! Why Norway, we wondered?? What I heard is that Norwegian newspapers continue to publish cartoons that anger Muslims, but that just didn't seem enough reason to go after a bunch of kids on an island. Reading this explained the car bomb, but still not the islane shooting... My heart goes out to them all.
Quote:

A bomb ripped open buildings in the heart of Norway's government Friday, and a man dressed as a police officer opened fire at an island youth camp connected to the ruling party. At least seven people were killed in the blast and nine more in the camp shootings, the peaceful nation's worst violence since World War II.

Oslo police said 9 or 10 people were killed at the camp on Utoya island, where the youth wing of the Labor Party was holding a summer camp for hundreds of youths. Acting Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim says a man was arrested in the shooting, and the suspect had been observed in Oslo before the explosion there.

Sponheim said police were still trying to get an overview of the camp shooting and could not say whether there was more than one shooter.

Aerial images broadcast by Norway's TV2 showed members of a SWAT team dressed in black arriving at the island in boats and running up the dock. Behind them, people stripped down to their underwear swam away from the island toward shore, some using flotation devices.

In Oslo, the capital and the city where the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, the bombing left a square covered in twisted metal, shattered glass and documents expelled from surrounding buildings.

Most of the windows in the 20-floor high-rise where Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and his administration work were shattered. Other buildings damaged house government offices and the headquarters of some of Norway's leading newspapers.

Stoltenberg was working at home Friday and was unharmed, according to senior adviser Oivind Ostang.

Oslo University Hospital said 12 people were admitted for treatment following the Utoya shooting, and 11 people were taken there from the explosion in Oslo. The hospital asked people to donate blood.

The attacks formed the deadliest day of terror in Western Europe since the 2005 London bombings, which killed 52 people.

Sponheim wouldn't give any details about the shooting suspect, who he said was dressed in a police uniform when he opened fire into a crowd of youths.

A spokesman for Stoltenberg's Labor Party, Per Gunnar Dahl, said he couldn't confirm that there were fatalities at Utoya, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northwest of Oslo. The party's youth wing organizes an annual summer camp on the island, and Stoltenberg had been scheduled to speak there Saturday.

"There are at least five people who have been seriously wounded and have been transported to a local hospital," Dahl said. He said the shooting "created a panic situation where people started to swim from the island" to escape.

Police blocked off roads leading to the lake around Utoya. An AP reporter was turned away by police about 5-6 kilometers from the lake, as eight ambulances with sirens blaring entered the area.

In Oslo, police said the explosion was caused by "one or more" bombs, but declined to speculate on who was behind the attack. They later sealed off the nearby offices of broadcaster TV 2 after discovering a suspicious package.

Ian Dutton, who was in a nearby hotel, said the building "shook as if it had been struck by lightning or an earthquake." He looked outside and saw "a wall of debris and smoke."

Dutton, who is from New York, said the scene reminded him of Sept. 11 — people "just covered in rubble" walking through "a fog of debris."

"It wasn't any sort of a panic," he said, "It was really just people in disbelief and shock, especially in a such as safe and open country as Norway, you don't even think something like that is possible."

Public broadcaster NRK showed video of a blackened car lying on its side amid the debris. An AP reporter who was in the office of Norwegian news agency NTB said the building shook from the blast and all employees were evacuated. Down in the street, he saw one person with a bleeding leg being led away from the area.

The explosion occurred at 3:30 p.m. (1330 GMT), as Ole Tommy Pedersen stood at a bus stop 100 meters (yards) away.

"I saw three or four injured people being carried out of the building a few minutes later," Pedersen told AP.

At Utoya, Emilie Bersaas, identified by Sky News television as one of the youths on the island, said she ran inside a school building and hid under a bed when the shooting broke out.

"At one point the shooting was very, very close (to) the building, I think actually it actually hit the building one time, and the people in the next room screamed very loud," she said.

"I laid under the bed for two hours and then the police smashed a window and came in," Bersaas said. "It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here, this is something you hear about happening in the U.S."

Another youth at the camp, Niclas Tokerud, stayed in touch with his sister through the attack through text messages.

"He sent me a text saying 'there's been gunshots. I am scared (expletive). But I am hiding and safe. I love you,'" said Nadia Tokerud, a 25-year-old graphic designer in Hokksund, Norway.

As he boarded a boat from the island after the danger had passed he sent one more text: "I'm safe."

The United States, European Union, NATO and the U.K., all quickly condemned the bombing, which Britain's Foreign Secretary William Hague called "horrific" and NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen deemed a "heinous act."

"It's a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring," President Barack Obama said.

Obama extended his condolences to Norway's people and offered U.S. assistance with the investigation. He said he remembered how warmly Norwegians treated him in Oslo when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.

The U.S. Embassy in Norway warned Americans to avoid downtown Oslo.

The attacks come as Norway grapples with a homegrown terror plot linked to al-Qaida. Two suspects are in jail awaiting charges.

Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country. The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar — the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam — made to various news media, including American network NBC.

Terrorism has also been a concern in neighboring Denmark since an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad six years ago. Danish authorities say they have foiled several terror plots linked to the 2005 newspaper cartoons that triggered protests in Muslim countries. Last month, a Danish appeals court on Wednesday sentenced a Somali man to 10 years in prison for breaking into the home of the cartoonist.

Europe has been the target of numerous terror plots by Islamist militants. The deadliest was the 2004 Madrid train bombings, when shrapnel-filled bombs exploded, killing 191 people and wounding about 1,800. A year later, suicide bombers killed 52 rush-hour commuters in London aboard three subway trains and a bus. And in 2006, U.S. and British intelligence officials thwarted one of the largest plots yet — a plan to explode nearly a dozen trans-Atlantic airliners.

In October, the U.S. State Department advised American citizens living or traveling in Europe to take more precautions following reports that terrorists may be plotting attacks on a European city. Some countries went on heightened alert after the May 2 killing of Osama bin Laden.

http://news.yahoo.com/norway-ripped-oslo-bomb-youth-camp-shootings-185
204240.html

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Friday, July 22, 2011 11:36 AM

MINCINGBEAST


I'm almost certain that this crime was committed by overweight, middle class white males. Who admire Bachman and Rand. Almost, because it just as easily may be the fault of the jews. Or those crazed mooslims.

Whenever there is a tragedy on this scale, I have to remind myself collective guilt is silly. White dudes/jews/muslims did not, in the aggregate, commit this crime. I am not very persuasive, however, and will likely spend at least a few days wishing for a convenient opportunity to commit a hate crime.


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Friday, July 22, 2011 12:30 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Aparently the gunman is Norwegian.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14256712

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Friday, July 22, 2011 12:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know how they do, after all.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, July 22, 2011 12:44 PM

MINCINGBEAST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know they they do, after all.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Haha, beat you to it, you angry white Christian. And if you're not Christian, you ought to be. And if you're not angry, fuck Ron Paul.

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Friday, July 22, 2011 1:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


" Somehow, 'I told you so', just doesn't quite say it." - Will Smith ( I Robot )


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, July 22, 2011 1:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

OSLO, Norway (AP) — Norway's peace was shattered twice Friday when a bomb ripped open buildings in the heart of its government and a man dressed as a police officer gunned down youths at a summer camp. Police linked one Norwegian to both attacks, which killed a total of at least 16 people in this nation's worst violence since World War II.
Police said they did not know the motive or whether the attacks were the work of one person or a terrorist group, but Justice Minister Knut Storberget said the man who opened fire at the youth camp is Norwegian.




Huh.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, July 22, 2011 2:14 PM

MINCINGBEAST


"Norwegian" and "crazed muslim" are not mutually exclusive. You're racist to suggest so! "Norwegian" may mean anyone in Norway, not just those Aryan types (who must be exterminated, the filthy blonde monsters).

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Friday, July 22, 2011 2:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

"Global Jihad" group says it's behind Oslo blast

A group called "Helpers of Global Jihad" has taken responsibility for the bomb which ripped open buildings, including the prime minister's office, in Norway's capital, CBS News has learned.

It is apparently the same local shadowy extremist group that the Stockholm bomber in December 2010 had said he was connected to.

In the 2010 Stockholm blast, the bomb, in a backpack, went off prematurely and the bomber blew himself up. However, the bomber had left behind a video protesting the Afghanistan war and the killing of Muslims.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43861108





Huh.



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, July 22, 2011 2:19 PM

MINCINGBEAST


Your "huhs" are like the grunts of copulating gay bears, who are in love.

Go at it.

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Friday, July 22, 2011 3:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Last I heard, several groups had claimed responsibility, and none of their claims have been verified.

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Friday, July 22, 2011 6:11 PM

FREMDFIRMA


The suspect in question is Anders Behring Breivik, and he is, as expected, a hardcase right wing nutter.



Oh golly gee, who'da thunk it.

ETA: And this just in.

Norwegian Terrorist Is An Anti-Islam, Christian Nationalist
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/norwegian-terrorist-was-anti-is
lam.html


Of course, *I* still think the primary threat of terrorism comes from our so-called-protectors, but the lunacy of the hard right should never be discounted as a threat.

-Frem

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Friday, July 22, 2011 10:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know how they do, after all.




So it would seem.

"Religion of peace", and all that.


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Friday, July 22, 2011 10:56 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


As Auraptor puts down his sword of Righteousness and backs slowly away from the thread, we await the innevetable "MKultra Brainwashing" post from PN.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:35 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Geez, this is awful. 94 dead, mainly kids at a summer camp. The world can sure seem like a shitty place at times.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Last I heard, several groups had claimed responsibility, and none of their claims have been verified.



Name them.


If it turns out to really be as reported, then that's 1 for the Christians, to how many hundreds, thousands, for the Muslims ?

All it means is that there are others willing to stoop to such barbaric levels, and now the Islamic Jihadists have company.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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that's 1 for the Christians
You almost made that sound like it's something to be proud of, altho I'm sure it just came out wrong.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It's *ANOTHER* "1 for the christians" - just another in a long line.

That Christianity is so willing to stoop to such barbaric levels will have no impact on you at all, though. You'll forgive so-called Christians every time, and blame Muslims every time, as you've already shown.


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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:41 AM

HKCAVALIER


Please, you two, don't turn this into another Christian/Muslim Despicable-off. Please. This is a horrible and unprecedented atrocity--can we let it be such, for a few days at least?

Remember kids: Religions don't kill people, people kill people and use religion to justify it to themselves and others. Religion for these psychos is pure retcon.

We all know Christians who point to the Bible as the foundation of their morality of kindness and generosity toward others, quoting chapter and verse. And we all know Christians who point to the Bible as the foundation of their morality of intolerance and hate, quoting chapter and verse. Same goes for Muslims and the Quran.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT THE FREAKIN' BOOKS, guys?

It tells us that these religions are the source of neither peace nor hatred. It's the people wielding the religion that are the source of the evil or the good they do in the world.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So Norway has been struck by Christian fundamentalist terrorists.

Will they respond by invading Canada in retaliation?

That would make as much sense as the U.S. invasion of Iraq in response to the 9/11 attacks...




"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

It tells us that these religions are the source of neither peace nor hatred. It's the people wielding the religion that are the source of the evil or the good they do in the world.




Someone finally got the point. It's not about the RELIGION, it's about the ZEALOUS FOLLOWERS.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The books that you point to are full of mixed messages that can be used to justify pretty much anything. There ARE books that are full of pure intolerance and hatred, though, so at some point books themselves can be a problem.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:21 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian.



Dis is gonna be embarrassin'.

That fits the profile of the principle suspect. Only you left out the anti-immigrant, gun nut part.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Jezus, what an awful thing...and that people's immediate thought is "It must be Muslims", "Haha it's the right wing", etc., is sad. Which kind of extremist he is means nothing to the dead and wounded, and the death toll last I heard was 92--85 from the island alone! I can't conceive of it, and I still can't figure out why he went after those kids. A government building, yeah, that makes sense, but innocent kids on an island? To hunt them down like animals? I'll have to catch up on the news (just got up) to see if there are any answers. Gawd, the world has turned to shit. Somehow I expect the Scandinavian countries to be free of this sort of thing...and as I heard one survivor (of the Oslo blast) say yesterday: "This is the kind of thing that happens in America or the Middle East, not HERE".

I don't care who did it or why, it's a tragedy of enormous proportions and my heart goes out to the families of those kids.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I just realized something; this should end anyone wondering about Raptor, as to whether he's got any common sense and how obsessive he is about Muslims. In that way he's almost PN. That anyone's immediate response to this is to think it's Muslims isn't surprising; but when they find out it was a right-winger instead, for the only reaction to be "That's one for the Christians..." isn't sane. It speaks to an obsession that not just colors, but BLINDS him to anything else.

Thus, anyone who tries to reason with him should recognize from now on that they are pissing in the wind, and arguing with his blind insanity almost puts people on the same level as him, in my opinion. Just something that crossed my mind as I went down the thread.

Okay, found an answer to "why" the kids in this cretin's mind. Apparently it was a Summer camp for kids run by the ruling Labor Party. Sick, sick.

Jim remarked about the "one for the Christians": "It's almost worse. That sonofabitch is too cowardly to do anything but bitch." (measning about Muslims) Obviously it's not, but...

They're learning more about this madman which is beginning to fill out his motives:
Quote:

A picture is emerging, gleaned from official sources and social media, of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway's multi-cultural society.
....

Breivik is a member of the Oslo Pistol Club and has three weapons registered in his name, according to leading Norwegian newspaper VG, citing Norway's official weapons register. They are a Glock pistol, a rifle and a shotgun, VG reported.
.....

He was a youth and adult member of the conservative Fremskrittspartiet (FrP) or Progress Party, VG newspaper reports, remaining involved until 2007. The party's most prominent manifesto pledge is to minimize immigration.

His membership was confirmed by a senior party member, Jonas Kallmyr, who is quoted by VG as saying that encountering Breivik was "like meeting Hitler before World War II."
.....

A post in Breivik's name on an online forum, Document.no, from December 2009, talks about non-Muslim teenagers being "in an especially precarious situation with regards to being harassed by Islamic youth."
.....

"The conservatives dare not openly express their viewpoints in public because they know that the extreme Marxists will trump them. We cannot accept the fact that the Labour Party is subsidising these violent "Stoltenberg jugend", who are systematically terrorising the politically conservative," the post reads.

He is making a reference to the youth movement of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, who heads the Labour Party. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/23/norway.suspect/index.html?h
pt=hp_t1
]


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

that's 1 for the Christians
You almost made that sound like it's something to be proud of, altho I'm sure it just came out wrong.



It only sounds that way in YOUR head, because that's not even remotely the way it was said.


Where as Beslan was a coordinated attack by a well organized group of muslim terrorists , this appears to be the work of 1 lone nut case.

Not even on the level of Tim McVeigh, who wasn't using Christianity as his reason to murder, and had accomplices.

Quote:


You'll forgive so-called Christians every time, and blame Muslims every time, as you've already shown.



Forgive 'so-called' Christians every time? ( well, not even this ONE time ). Nope. Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time, especially when they specifically state that is their intended goal, and then they go out and do exactly what they said they were going to do, over and over and over again.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time


Even when it's done by Christians, you admit you'll still blame Muslims.

How very enlightened of you.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:47 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


The responses on this thread make me really sad.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:06 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know they they do, after all.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Haha, beat you to it, you angry white Christian. And if you're not Christian, you ought to be. And if you're not angry, fuck Ron Paul.



As a dog eater myself...I think Ron Paul should be left out of it...and I like my christians with butter

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:09 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time


Even when it's done by Christians, you admit you'll still blame Muslims.

How very enlightened of you.



Kwicko, despite my new "niceness" I have to call snarky bullshit....I don't think that was EVER admitted.....and kaneman tells it like it is..

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:40 PM

JAMERON4EVA


So suddenly one nutjob is the representation of EVERY SINGLE Christian in the world? So your also saying that all of Germany, every single man woman and child, even the ones burned to death, and shoit for aiding Allies, and Jews, are as evil as Hitler? At the same time, you can't solely place blame on another group, no it falls squarely on one man, the man who did this. And you ALL are doing EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:00 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


New video by US Dept of Fatherland Security:



US Govt says the new terrorists are "white middle class Christian Tea Partiers" in video by lesbian Communist Jewish fuhrer of US Dept of Homeland Security For Wide Open Borders And Arming 30,000 Mexican Narcoterrorists With Automatic Weapons:
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-video-characterizes-white-americans-as-mos
t-likely-terrorists
/

“White Alqaeda” targeted as western governments turn terror apparatus inward
http://www.oldthinkernews.com/?p=1944


"Christian" Luciferian kosher Freemason in false flag massacre in Victim Disarmament Zone for the jew banksters
http://www.infowars.com/norway-killer-anders-behring-breivik-was-a-fre
emason
/

Russia Today: ‘Caution! Watch out for false flags’ – Oslo attacks:



Evidence Shows Norway Terror Attack a False Flag
http://www.infowars.com/evidence-shows-norway-terror-attack-a-false-fl
ag
/

The alleged shooter/bomber "confessed" so cops stopped investigating EVERYONE else...

Quote:

At least 85 people died when a gunman opened fire at an island youth camp in Norway, hours after a bombing in the capital Oslo killed seven, police say.

Police have charged a 32-year-old Norwegian man over both attacks.

The man dressed as a police officer was arrested on tiny Utoeya island after an hour-long shooting spree.

Local media report that police are investigating claims by witnesses that a second person was involved, apparently not disguised in a police uniform.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356



Just like Columbine, Ft Hood, MLK, RFK and JFK, no investigation is allowed into extra shooters during False Flag attacks, as confessed in Operation Gladio and Operation Northwoods.

The Youth Camp Massacre was a massacre of Future Communists of Norway in the Labor Party. Good riddance?

Begging for his life: Chilling image of terrified teenager pleading for mercy from 'neo-Nazi' killer standing astride bodies
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017938/Norway-attacks-Survivors-tell
-police-attacks-different-areas-Utoya.html





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Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I think the point was that throwing blame before investigating was idiotic, leastways that's the one I intended - it's kind of an ongoing argument between me and some of the security down at DTW that while they're busy shaking down imams and cab drivers that sooner or later some fresh faced whitey-rightey is gonna waltz right through their illusion of security and do something nasty...

Thing is, most of the manner in which this garbage is addressed is again, the wrong end of the telescope, like a lot of issues these days - there *IS* no security that'll make the world perfectly safe, not without making it no place to live in, and it still wouldn't be universally effective even then - far better to address the root causes of producing individuals so screwed up between the ears they'll do shit like this.

Which brings me to the current whinge and whine, about how long the response to the incident in question took.

Look, there *IS* no such thing as being ready for something like that, it is by definition impossible without becoming so completely paranoid you might as well just dig a hole and crawl in - and creating the illusion of protection by formenting a security state right out of Orwell isn't the answer either, not to mention it doesn't freakin work and your own so-called-protectors end up being a greater threat to you than anything external or internal ever will be.

People like to blame the easy things, politics, religion, availability of the tools, devices and whatnot used... but frankly that's got shit to do with it, cause once a person is so mentally far gone that they're looking TO do something like this, we as humans and societies have already fucked it up beyond question - and reluctance to admit that culpability is WHY the easy things are blamed.

The Wellsprings of Horror in the Cradle
http://www.alice-miller.com/articles_en.php?lang=en&nid=46&grp=11
Quote:

Whoever they are and however dreadful their crimes, deep down inside every dictator, mass murderer, terrorist cowers the humiliated child they once were, a child that has only survived through the complete and utter denial of its feelings of helplessness. But this complete denial of suffering once borne creates an inner void. Very many of these people will never develop a capacity for normal human compassion. Thus they have few if any qualms about destroying human life, neither that of others nor the void they carry around inside themselves.

It is both simpler and more complex than that - we do shit to them, they grow up, and they do shit to us.
Oh they find their causes, their reasons, but the capacity, the ability, and the will to hate ENOUGH, to cause such bitter harm to other humans...
That is *learned behavior*, and they learn it from us.

You'd think, as bloody obvious as it is, to the point where scientific evidence of the damage is available, to where scans show PHYSICAL CHANGES in the brains of mistreated people...
That maybe we'd stop teaching it to them.
But no, as always, the insistence, on a scale personal and national, always comes back to the excuse of not being brutal ENOUGH.
Ain't it long past time we broke the cycle of stupid ?
Quote:

“As long as the child will be trained not by love, but by fear, so long will humanity live not by justice, but by force. As long as the child will be ruled by the educator’s threat and by the father’s rod, so long will mankind be dominated by the policeman’s club, by fear of jail, and by panic of invasion by armies and navies.”

Boris Sidis, from “A lecture on the abuse of the fear instinct in early education” in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1919.


-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:24 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Norway Oil Fund divests from Israeli companies
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=185712

Camp In Norway Where Shooting Occurred Had Just Concluded Pro-Palestinian Rally The Day Before. The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now, said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience...
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/23/breaking-camp-in-norway-where-shooti
ng-occurred-had-just-concluded-pro-palestinian-rally-the-day-before
/

Labour’s summer camp opens. Around 1,000 young supporters of Norway’s Labour Party were making their way over to Utøya this week, an island in the Tyrifjord that’s often viewed as an incubator for future Labour Party leaders. Detractors call it a breeding ground for a relatively small clique of would-be power mongers. Newspaper Vårt Land, however, recently put another slant on the Utøya camp, reporting that the Labour Party historically is run by a tight network of politicians linked by family relations, marriage and friendships who also have a tendency to take on key roles not only in government but in business and Norway’s powerful bureaucracy as well.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/21/labours-summer-camp-opens/

Something rotten in the state of Norway. Al-Jazeera TV notes that Norwegian prosecutors on Tuesday filed a terrorism charge against Mullah Krekar, founder of the Kurdish [WAHABI JEWISH] Islamist group Ansar al-Islam. Corriere Della Sera reports (Italian) that the terrorist group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami has claimed responsibility for the explosion in Oslo with a message on a jihadi forum, blaming the presence of Norway in Afghanistan and "insults" to the prophet Muhammad. Al Qaeda claims responsibility on Twitter (Swedish). More on Twitter (Swedish site): Abu Suleiman al-Nasser, "Today, Norway was targeted in order to serve as a lesson and example for the rest of the nations of Europe." The New York Times quotes the Islamist group taking responsibility. In addition to all these media outlets reporting the carnage as an Islamist terrorist attack was CBS News: "Global Jihad" group says it's behind Oslo blast. A group called "Helpers of Global Jihad" has taken responsibility for the bomb which ripped open buildings, including the prime minister's office, in Norway's capital, CBS News has learned. Here is how it stands now: "Authorities say he posted on Christian fundamentalist websites and reportedly held right-wing, anti-Muslim views. He was also once a member of the youth wing of a rightist party." It seems that, as the McVeigh bombing essentially destroyed the America militia movement, the European "rightwing" anti-Islam, anti-immigrant movement may also be stopped in its tracks now by this attack.
http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/561-som
ething-rotten-in-the-state-of-norway.html


There is no right to carry a firearm for self defense in Norway Victim Disarmament Zone
http://www.moneyteachers.org/Norway+Gun+Laws.htm

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:38 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


I refer you to my earlier post.

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Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Kind of interesting times that we initially think 'Islamic Fanatic' every time something horrible happens. Shows how finely tuned our radars are to that kind of terrorism.

In the 80's, when I lived in Europe, the threats were very different. The UK was on constant alert for IRA terrorism, and if you were Irish, you were treated with suspicion, if not contempt.

Spain has the Basque militants, ETA, and in the 70's the Baader Meinhof gang.

Then you have your lone militant, like this man appears to be, someone who operates alone or in a small cell, fanatics who may be politically or religiously motivated, or just plain mentally ill.

We've had a number of those down here, mainly fitting into the mentally ill category, Martin Bryant at Port Arthur and Julian Knight in Melbourne.

I agree with Frem. You can't go around in a constant state of high alert. Life would be too horrible.

Sad day for Norway.

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:34 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by jameron4eva:
So suddenly one nutjob is the representation of EVERY SINGLE Christian in the world? So your also saying that all of Germany, every single man woman and child, even the ones burned to death, and shoit for aiding Allies, and Jews, are as evil as Hitler? At the same time, you can't solely place blame on another group, no it falls squarely on one man, the man who did this. And you ALL are doing EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy




You don't really do subtlety, do you?

I was using "RapLogic™" to point out to Rappy and others that what you describe is EXACTLY what they do every single time they blame the entire Muslim religion for the acts of its worst followers. If they represent every single Muslim in the world, then yes, this guy represents the entirety of Christianity.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Blame Muslims ? hell yeah. That I will do , every time


Even when it's done by Christians, you admit you'll still blame Muslims.

How very enlightened of you.



Never happened.


The report came out, not by me, that a muslim group had claimed responsibility.

Why would they do such a thing, if they weren't the ones behind it ?

What do Barack Obama and the Norway killer have in common? If you don't know they're Christian, libs get enraged. - James Taranto, via Twitter.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:22 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14266815



Quote:

"He says that he was alone but the police must verify everything that he said. Some of the witness statements from the island have made us unsure of whether there was one or more shooters."

He said police were not looking for anyone else at the moment - though they had not ruled out that the suspect might have had help.

Mr Sponheim confirmed that the maximum time Mr Breivik could face in prison under Norwegian law is 21 years.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14266815



HAHAHA... 3 months is the max sentence allowed per murder... Now that's deterrence!

If you were a criminal in a conspiracy, and you wanted to protect that conspiracy, would you rat on that conspiracy?

If you were a detective investigating a crime, would you instantly believe the word of a mass murderer?

Funny how eyewitnesses see other gunmen at political "lone nut" shootings.


http://www.infowars.com/norway-killer-anders-behring-breivik-was-a-fre
emason


Quote:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirit will from that moment be without a compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
-Jewish General Albert Pike the Pope of Freemasonry, on a plan for world conquest, written in a letter to Mafia founder Mazzini dated August 15, 1871
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2010/07/albert-pike-letter-to
-mazzini.html


"You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons, and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."
-Ronayne Handbook of Masonry, page 183


"When a mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy."
-Manly P. Hall,33°, The Lost Key of Freemasonry, p.48

"The Blue Degrees are but the court of portico (porch) of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally mislead by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adept, the Princes of Masonry."
-General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma in the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite

"If your wife child, or friend should ask you anything about your invitation - as for instance, if your clothes were taken off, if you were blind folded, if you had a rope tied around you neck, etc, you must conceal. Hence of course you must deliberately lie about it. It is part of your obligation."
-General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma in the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, p. 74

"In willful violation whereof may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to thru center with a three edged blade, my feet flayed and forced to walk the hot sands upon the sterile shores of the red sea until the flaming Sun shall strike with a livid plague, and my Allah the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same."
-oath of obligation, Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine ("Shriners")

"Thirty-third degree Freemason Albert Pike (1809-1891), the man destined to develop the Luciferian Doctrine for the Masonic hierarchy, could not accept the Lucifer and Satan were the same personality. While teaching his beliefs to a select few in the Supreme Council, Pike became the most powerful Mason in the world. Although an obscure general in the Confederate Army during the American Civil War, he was hardly inconspicuous in Freemasonry. From 1859 until his death in 1891, Pike occupied simultaneously the positions of Grand Master of the Central Directory at Washington, D.C., Grand Commander of the Supreme Council at Charleston, S.C., and Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry. He was an honorary member of almost every Supreme Council in the world, personally receiving 130 Masonic degrees. Pike also was one of the most physically and morally repulsive individuals in American history. Weighing well over three hundred pounds, his sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, accompanied by a gang of prostitutes. To these orgies he would bring one or more wagon loads of food and liquor, most of which he would consume over a period of two days until he passed into a stupor. In his adopted state of Arkansas, Pike was well known as a practitioner of Satanism, Portraits of his later years show him wearing a symbol of the Baphomet around his neck."
-Scarlet and the Beast, John Daniel, vol 1

"Masonry gives rogues and evil-minded characters an opportunity of visiting upon their devoted victim, all the ills attending combined power, when exerted to accomplish destruction. It works unseen, at all silent hours, and secret times and places; and, like death when summoning his diseases, pounces upon its devoted subject, and lays him prostrate in the dust. Like the great enemy of man, it has shown its cloven foot, and put the public upon its guard against its secret machinations."
-CAPT. WM. MORGAN'S ILLUSTRATIONS OF MASONRY, 1827 (Capt Morgan was kidnapped and ritually murdered by Freemasons for publishing this book, resulting in the Anti Masonic Party founded by President John Quincy Adams)

"Membership of secret societies such as freemasonry can raise suspicions of a lack of impartiality or objectivity. It is therefore important the public know the facts. I think it is the case that the freemasons said they are not a secret society but a society with secrets. I think it is widely accepted that one secret they should not be keeping is who their members are in the criminal justice system."
-Home Secretary Jack Straw, 1997 Home Affairs Committee England

"The true name of Satan is, the Kallaists say, is that of Yahweh reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism and Idoltry. For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good; but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument for Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; hence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpant, and the Light-Bearer, or Phosphor of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend."
-General Albert Pike (Masonic pope), "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", page 102
http://www.srmason-sj.org

"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the 19th Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", Masonic bible "Morals and Dogma", page 321
http://www.srmason-sj.org

"There is in nature a one most potent force, by means whereof a single man, who could posses himself of it, and should know how to direct it, could revolutionize and change the face of the world. It is a universal agent, whose supreme law is equilibrium; and whereby, if science can but learn how to control it, it can be possible to change the order of the seasons, to produce in night the phenomenon of day, to send a thought in an instant around the world, to heal or slay at a distance, to give our words universal success, and made them reverberate everywhere. The Gnostics held that it was adorned in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple, under the hieroglyphic figure of the Baphomet or the hermaphroditic goat of Mendes."
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", page 734

"All religions issued from the Kabalah and return to it: everything scientific and grand in the dreams of the illuminati is borrow from the Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols. The Kabalah alone consecrates the allegiance of the Universal Reason and Devine Word. The Bible, with all the allegories it contains, expresses, in an incomplete and veiled manner only, the religious science of the Hebrews. Thus was a second Bible born, unknown to, or rather uncomprehended by, the Christians; a collection, they say, of monstrous absurdities; a monument, the adept says, wherein everything that the genius of philosophy and that of religion have ever formed or imagined of the sublime; a treasure surrounded by thorns; a diamond concelaed in a rough dark stone. One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sancuary of the Kabalah, at seeing doctrine so logical, so simple, and at the same time so absolute. The Absolute Deity, with the Kabalists, has no name. The terms applied to Him are the Most Simple Light. For then there was no space or vacant place, but all was infinite Light."
-General Albert Pike, Jewish pope of Masonic Mafia, "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", page 744-5
http://www.srmason-sj.org

Initiation rituals of Freemasonry:
"I will obey all signs and summons handed to me by a chapter of Masons. I will assist a Mason when I see him engaged in any difficulty whether he be right or wrong. I promise and swear to forever conceal and never reveal any of the secrets of Masons or Masonry under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across from ear to ear, my tongue plucked out by the roots; my heart taken from under my left breast; my body cut across, my bowels taken out; my body dissected into four equal parts to hang and remain a terror to all those who shall presume to violate the sacred obligation of a Mason."
-President John Quincy Adams, founder of Anti-Masonic Party, "Letters on Freemasonry"
http://texemarrs.com

"Freemasons have long been accused of Satanic practices as seen in the illustration of the Baphomet from Leo Taxil's The Mysteries of Freemasonry, 1897. Source: Archives of the Supreme Council, S.J., 33°"
-Scottish Rite Journal, "I Was Called a Satanist Today," Feb 2002
http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/journal-files/Issues/Feb02/moss.htm



"The Oath of Fealty I bind my blood in Satan's hands, All this that lieth betwixt my hands To thee, the Beast, and thy control, I pledge me; body, mind, and soul. Pledge I swear to work my Work abhorred, Careless of all but one reward, The pleasure of the Devil our Lord."
—Aleister "The Beast 666" Crowley 33° Grand Inspector General Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and Frater Superior Baphomet XI°, SATANIC EXTRACTS
http://the7thfire.com/new_world_order/Freemasonry/aliester_crowley_33_
degree_Mason_knew_about_human_sacrifice.htm


"But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."
—Aleister Crowley, MAGICK in Theory and Practice

GEORGE W BUSH IS GRANDSON OF SATANIST ALEISTER CROWLEY
http://www.rense.com/general77/acrow.htm


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Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:52 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Yawn.

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


OldEngland, I agree; this back and forth, and PN's never-ending bullshit, is terribly . What happened deserves our horror and sympathy, not political crap. I'm on to other threads with (hopefully) more substance.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Meanwhile, back to reality:
Quote:

A rambling, 1,500-page manifesto purportedly written by the suspect in Friday's bloody terror attacks in Norway lays out right-wing extremist views and vows that a "European civil war" will lead to the execution of "cultural Marxists" and the banishing of Muslims.

While the title page of the document says "By Andrew Berwick," the writer later identifies himself as Anders Behring Breivik, the suspect in the Norwegian terrorist attacks.

The document, which is part political diatribe, part confessional and part action plan, details Breivik's background and his plans to commit Friday's attacks. It also contains various photos of him.

"If you are concerned about the future of Western Europe you will definitely find the information both interesting and highly relevant," the author writes, adding later that the work took him nine years to complete.

CNN could not independently verify that the document was written by Breivik. But police told the Norwegian newspaper VG that the document is "linked" to Friday's attacks.
.....

"The manifesto was released on the same day the atrocities happened," Acting National Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim told reporters Sunday.

"It's also new to us. We will look into the details of the manifesto."

Geir Lippestad, who identified himself as the suspect's lawyer, told Norwegian broadcaster TV2 that Breivik believed the attacks were "horrible" but "necessary," and would explain himself in court Monday.

Norwegian authorities have not commented on a possible motive behind the terror attacks.

In the manifesto, the author vilifies Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and his Labour Party, which has majority control in Norway's government, accusing the party of perpetuating "cultural Marxist/multiculturalist ideals" and indoctrinating youth with those ideals. The author accuses the Labour Party of embracing those ideals and therefore allowing the "Islamification of Europe."

But a recent study refutes the author's stance.

Europe as a whole is actually set to be about 8% Muslim in 2030, according to massive study released last year by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life in Washington. The authors said part of the reason for the project was to refute ill-informed estimates about Muslim population advances.

"There has been a lot of speculation about the growth of the Muslim population around the world, and many of those who speculate don't have good data," said Brian Grim, a senior researcher at the Pew Forum. "The data that we have isn't pointing in the direction of 'Eurabia' at all," Grim said.

The rate at which the world's Muslim population is growing is slowing down, he argued. "Instead of a runaway train, it's trending with the general global population," he said.

The manifesto speculates about would happen if the author were to survive "a successful mission and live to stand a multiculturalist trial."

"When I wake up at the hospital, after surviving the gunshot wounds inflicted me, I realize at least for me personally, I will be waking up to a world of shit, a living nightmare," the author wrote.

"Not only will all my friends and family detest me and call me a monster; the united global multiculturalist media will have their hands full figuring out multiple ways to character assassinate, vilify and demonize."
.....

The document is titled "2083: A European Declaration of Independence," a date that the author later explains is the year he believes an European civil war will end with the execution of cultural Marxists and the deportation of Muslims.

This "civil war" would come in three phases, he predicts. The first runs through 2030 and includes "open source warfare, military shock attacks by clandestine cell systems (and) further consolidation of conservative forces."

Between 2030 and 2070, he calls for "more advanced forms of resistance groups (and the) preparation of pan-European coup d'etats."

The final stage features the deposition of Europe's leaders and "implementation of a cultural conservative political agenda."

Much of the manifesto contains diatribes against Marxism and calls for the destruction of governments endorsing Marxist ideals.

The author does not specifically explain why he chose the date 2083, though it is the 200th anniversary of the death of Karl Marx.

The manifesto also contains photos of Breivik in what appear to be uniforms, including one in which he is wearing a U.S. Marine dress jacket decorated with an Iron Cross, Knights Templar and Free Mason medals.

Another picture shows Breivik dressed in a wet suit with a patch that reads "Marxist Hunter" and holding a high-powered rifle.

The author states that he was moved to action dating to "my government's involvement" in NATO's 1999 strikes during the Kosovo campaign, claiming this wrongly targeted "our Serbian brothers (who) wanted to drive Islam out by deporting the Albanian Muslims back to Albania."

He also criticizes "my government's cowardly handling of the Muhammad cartoon issue" -- a reference to the Norwegian government's apology for the nation's private newspapers having repeatedly published the controversial cartoon. Another reference blasts Norway, home of the Nobel awards, for awarding a peace prize to former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

"The situation is just chaotic," he writes, noting that "thousands of Muslims" are coming into his country annually. "These suicidal traitors must be stopped."

The author details his bomb-making experiments, including a theory that one should purchase a farm so that purchase of large amounts of fertilizer -- which can be used to make bombs -- is less likely to be noticed.

Oddmy Estenstad, an employee at a Norwegian agricultural cooperative, told CNN that Breivik bought six tons of fertilizer from her company in May.

"Be extra careful when researching for bomb schematics (fertilizer bombs), as many terms will trigger electronic alerts," he writes, one of several tips that include using an "anonymous laptop and browse free to your local McDonalds" in order to "avoid ending up on any watch list."

Besides hands-on instructions, the document also functions as a running diary. It also includes references to his relatives' sexual indiscretions, entries on some of his friends' personal lives, and his own off-and-on steroid use.

From July 2 on, though, the author becomes more business-like and complains that going off his testosterone supplements had ramped up his "aggressiveness." He then digs up his guns and prepares the bombs. It all leads up to July 22, the date of the Norway terror attacks.

"The old saying 'if you want something done, then do it yourself' is as relevant now as it was then," he writes. "In many cases; you could do it all yourself, it will just take a little more time. AND, without taking unacceptable risks. The conclusion is undeniable.

"I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51." http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/24/norway.terror.manifesto/ind
ex.html?hpt=hp_t2
me, that pretty much explains him. He wants attention. I would be tickled pink if they didn't let him speak at his trial; just try him on the evidence, don't give him a platform from which to spew his madness.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:29 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


One thing PN did point out (in his own wierd way) was that the maximum sentence for murder in Norway is 21 years, which means that with time off for good behaviour brievig could be out before he's 50. In the meantime he will spend his time in jail writing his own "Mien Kampf" and becoming an iconic hero of the Neo-Nazi movement.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/norway-attack-suspects-manifesto-hatred-13190
6296.html


Sorry if this is basically a repeat of what NIKI just posted.

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Not a repeat, and I did notice the sentencing time. HOPEFULLY he'll get sentenced for each individual murder, which will end the matter (unless he can publish from jail!).


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:04 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


UPDATE: THE FACEBOOK PAGE POSTED BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA IN ENGLISH IS NOT THE REAL WEBPAGE OF THE SHOOTER. JEWISH FACEBOOK DELETED THE SHOOTER'S WEBPAGE IN THE NORWEGIAN LANGUAGE AFTER THE SHOOTING. THIS ENGLISH VERSION DELETING HIS LIBERAL ZIONIST ISRAEL-LOVING POLITICS WAS REPLACED BY AN ALLEGED "CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN" AND POSTED ON FACEBOOK AFTER THE SHOOTER'S ARREST. POLICE KNEW THE SHOOTER'S NAME BEFORE ARRESTING HIM, AND CALLED HIM BY NAME DURING THE ARREST WITHOUT SHOOTING HIM AT THE CRIME SCENE. POLICE GAVE THE SHOOTERS 90 MINUTES TO COMPLETE THEIR JOB, ALLOWING OTHER SHOOTERS TO ESCAPE. THE SHOOTER ADMITTED HE IS PART OF A LARGE CONSPIRACY OF CELLS, YET POLICE AND MEDIA ARE ALLEGING HE'S A LONE NUT. THE SHOOTER'S ALLEGED 1,500-PAGE MANIFESTO WAS COPIED VERBATIM FROM THE MANIFESTO OF TED "UNABOMBER" KAZINSKI WHO WAS ADMITTEDLY A CIA MIND CONTROL VICTIM DONATED AS A MEDICAL EXPERIMENT BY HIS PARENTS. WHY KILL 100 WHITE ARYAN CHILDREN WHO WILL BE LEADERS OF A WHITE NATION, WHEN YOU ARE ALLEGEDLY AGAINST DARK-HAIRED DARK-SKINNED FOREIGNERS? THE NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER IS JEWISH. THE SHOOTER TRAVELED TO ENGLAND FOR PROGRAMMING BY MI6 WHO RUNS THE IRA TERROR BOMBERS IN BRITAIN.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-e
xplosion-live-coverage.html

http://www.infowars.com/police-knew-gunmans-name-before-arrest/
http://www.infowars.com/analyzing-the-oslo-attacks-part-three-more-inf
ormation-and-even-more-unclear
/

Oslo Bombing: Why Would “Terrorists” Attack Near-Empty Office Building on Public Holiday?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/norway-blast-near-prime-ministers-office-i
n-oslo.html




Massacre gunman posted YouTube video called 'Knights Templar 2083' calling followers to 'embrace martyrdom' six hours before attacks, Sent 12-minute YouTube video to '7,000 patriotic Facebook friends', attacked multiculturalism and Muslim immigration
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018148/Anders-Behring-Breivik
-posted-YouTube-video-hours-Norway-terror-attacks.html



Lone Norwegian Gunman allegedly writes better English than 99% of USA...

English is NOT the official language of this Norwegian patriot... So why write his patriotic emails attacking immigrants in a language of a foreign nation?

Quote:

Norwegian (norsk) is a North Germanic language spoken primarily in Norway, where it is the official language. From the 16th to the 19th centuries, Danish was the standard written language of Norway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_language



English is the official language of the CIA and MI6.








Alleged final entry...

Dial 911 and Die: 90 minute police delay gave killer time to lure some to their deaths in Norway. Breivik dressed as a cop before opening fire on his unsuspecting victims - even luring some to their death by offering help. "So I ran through the forest," he said. "When I came back, I saw a policeman and I thought he could help us. ...There was a girl in front of me, and he shot her. She screamed, and then she died."
-Anders Behring Breivik
www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/24/2011-07-24_cop_delay_gave_hi
m_90_minutes_to_kill_maniac_lured_some_to_their_death_others_ra.html



Die 911 for Body Bags: So many they need dump trucks...

Man Who Knew Anders Behring Breivik Says He Was Brainwashed [at CIA rendition torture sites]:



Amazing what a little waterboarding can do...

Second Lone Gunman “Seized by Special Forces” in Norway, in an area where victims’ relatives had gathered:







Quote:

"The European tree of liberty will be refreshed by the blood of our patriots and of the Marxist tyrrants. This civil war will last several decades but we will succeed. Never forget that we fight so that you and your children can remain free. For a future Europe safe from the tyrany of cultural-Marxism and of Islam. A Europe worth dying for."
-Anders Behring Breivik (allegedly ignoring his native language)



Norway Terror Attacks a False Flag, says Professor Webster Tarply PhD. A motive for the attack is also present: as part of its attempt to mount an independent foreign policy, including the imminent diplomatic recognition of a Palestinian state as part of a general rapprochement with the Arab world, Norway was leading the smaller NATO states in dropping out of the imperialist aggressor coalition currently bombing Libya. Norway was scheduled to stop all bombing and other sorties against the Gaddafi forces as out of August 1 at the latest.
http://www.infowars.com/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/



Sex life of a mass murderer: $4,000 hookers and a bottle of wine
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658427/Norway
-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-had-no-time-for-girlfriends-but-saved-money-for-prostitutes.html


IF this was not a false flag, the jewish banksters and their Commie elites must be getting VERY VERY skeert.














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Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Dude's a dead ringer for Alex Jones. No wonder he gives PN such a hard-on.

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:25 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


This is a true tragedy, all those people killed, especially all those children, its disgusting and no justification can make it anything else. As Niki said the blowing up of government buildings, though distructive, is seen as more understandable, though its not something I would do and I feel bad for the dead, unless there was a specific vendetta and only those involved bought the farm. But blowing up a summer camp, of any kind, is just wrong and no one I know or who is remotely decent would ever support such a thing. I don't know how old the kids were, but they were still kids, (I invoke the magic number theory, dreaded by Frem et al) and so anyone with a conscience knows that its horridly wrong to go blow up a bunch of kids and its seen as different than blowing up government buildings.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families in Norway who are suffering this immense loss of loved ones.

I have things to say about the more political end of the situation, but I will post those in a seperate post tomorrow, away from my sadness at this very sad situation.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:38 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Some more on Rightwinged Extremists in Europe.

The man arrested following the attacks in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, describes himself as a "nationalist", according to the police.

In the purest sense of the word, he is not alone. On this day of grief, Norwegian people have united under their flag, vowing to stand firm against terror.

But the suspect, it seems, is no pure nationalist. Instead, he is said to be a right-wing extremist of the kind that police authorities in the West have feared for some time.

Their fear has been heightened by the potentially explosive mix of economic recession and unemployment, increasing racism and an ever stronger anti-Muslim sentiment, according to the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten.

Norway's security police reported a mild increase in right-wing extremist activity last year and predicted that such activity would continue to increase throughout this year.

But it also suggested that the movement was weak, lacked a central leader and offered relatively modest growth potential.
Disorganised and chaotic

Though members of the Norwegian far-right movement have carried out attacks in the past, it has historically been a small community, according to neo-Nazi watchers.

The late Stieg Larsson, the Swedish crime writer famous for his Millennium trilogy, was one such expert.

In the mid-1990s, he founded the anti-racist, anti-extremist publication Expo following a sharp rise in violence carried out by neo-Nazis.

In an interview in connection with a documentary I was making at the time, he told me that Sweden was the world's largest producer of so-called White Power Music and other racist propaganda, with an active, fast-growing and violent neo-Nazi movement.

By contrast, the Norwegian neo-Nazis were disorganised and chaotic, he said, citing an example of a large far-right gathering in Sweden attended by a small group of Norwegians.

The Swedes were articulate, organised and smartly dressed, he recalled, whereas the Norwegians, who had arrived by coach, had been drinking all the way during their journey across the border and were thus largely incoherent and shabby in appearance.
Edging into mainstream

Since then, it seems Norwegian far-right extremists have created stronger links with criminal communities, as well as with similar groups abroad, in Europe, Russia and the US.

Sweden, by contrast, has seen a sharp drop in far-right extremist activity since its peak in the mid-1990s, when every national newspaper in the country published identical editions with photos of every known neo-Nazi in the land.

But at the same time, aspects of the far-right agenda have risen to greater prominence on the mainstream political arena, with Expo reporting how the revulsion displayed by the Swedish people during the 1990s is increasingly turning towards a curiosity about toned-down far-right rhetoric.

Similar sentiments have been felt in Norway, where politicians have openly been voicing concerns about how the country's culture might be diluted by immigration from countries with different religions and values.

Following the attacks in Oslo and on Utoeya, it will be interesting to see whether many in the country develop a more sophisticated view of where the greatest threats are coming from, amid a growing realisation that extremism is deadly regardless of nationality, ethnicity or religion.

From BBC News

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Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:54 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



US Govt motto played proudly by The Ramones

Libtard Commies kill children for Obama every day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan.

They can dish it out but can't take it.



As standard SOP for false flag attacks, the Norwegian govt was bombing the same city the same week, in UNANNOUNCED "standard training ops, TERRORIZING the citizens with BOMBS EXPLODING INSIDE THE CITY.



Quote:

Police Had Drilled Setting off Bombs in Same Area a Few Days Earlier

Another telltale critical sign of a false flag operation is the holding of drills or exercises –allegedly for counterterrorism purposes — by the police or the military at the same time as the terror attack, or shortly before the real terror attack begins. Sometimes, the terror drills or exercises are scheduled to begin slightly after the time when the actual terror attack occurs. In these cases, it is often discovered that the self-styled anti-terror drill or exercise contains a simulated action or event which strongly resembles the real world terror attack, the one which actually kills people. The media will then refer to an astounding coincidence or a weird happenstance, but the reality is that the terror drill has been taken live or flipped live in the form of real killings. The secret is that the legally sanctioned drill has been used to conduit or bootleg the actual butchery through a government bureaucracy whose resources are required to run the terror but in which there are many officials who cannot be allowed to know what is happening.

The Norway events provide a very clear illustration of this principle. In Oslo, a powerful bomb went off in or near the building which houses the office of the Prime Minister. Exactly as we would expect, special anti-terror police had been drilling setting off bombs in a nearby part of the Norwegian capital little more than 48 hours earlier. The public had not been informed in advance, but found out what was happening when they began hearing bombs on Tuesday and Wednesday, whereas the main bomb went off on Friday. Here is a report from the newspaper Aftenposten:

“Armed police were seen in the area around the opera house in Oslo, and violent explosions could be heard over large parts of the city. No one knew that this was all a matter of practice. The Information Section of the Oslo police deeply regrets that the public was not made aware of the seemingly dramatic exercise….It was the emergency squad, the national police special unit against terrorism, which was conducting a drill in the cordoned off area at Bjørvika pier. According to a press release from the police, nearly a day after the exercise, the drill consisted of training in the controlled detonation of explosive charges….The exercise will continue for the rest of Wednesday night and a few more explosions are expected….The exercise followed a familiar pattern for all anti-terror forces around the world: The men lowered themselves down from the ceiling and into through the window that had just been blown out, while they fired hand their weapons.”3

Peter Power of Visor Consultants told BBC Radio Five in the wake of the London subway bombings of July 7, 2005 that his firm had been conducting an exercise based on explosions going off in substantially the same stations of the London underground at the same times when the real explosions had actually occurred. The Norwegian events exhibit the same kind of strange coincidence.

A Motive: Norway Had Decided to Stop Bombing Libya August 1...

Are SIMAS Surveillance Detection Units the New Gladio for Norway?

US and NATO intelligence have been shown to possess extraordinary capabilities inside Norway, many of which may be operating outside of the control of the Norwegian government. In early November 2010, the Oslo television channel TV2 exposed the existence of an extensive network of paid assets and informants of US intelligence recruited from the ranks of retired police and other officials. The ostensible goal of this program was the surveillance of Norwegians who were taking part in demonstrations and other activities critical of the United States and its policies. One of the Norwegians recruited was the former chief of the anti-terror section of the Oslo police.7 Although the goal was supposedly merely surveillance, it is possible to imagine some other and far more sinister activities that could be carried out by such a network of retired cops, including the identification and subversion of rotten apples on the active-duty police force. Some of the capabilities of a network of this type would not be totally alien to the sort of events that have just occurred in Norway.

The official name for the type of espionage cell which the United States was creating in Norway is Surveillance Detection Unit (SDU). The SDUs in turn operate within the framework of the Security Incident Management Analysis System (SIMAS). SIMAS is known to be used for spying and surveillance by US Embassies not just in the Nordic bloc of Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, but worldwide. The terror events also raise the question of whether SIMAS has an operational dimension. Could this apparatus represents a modern version of the Cold War stay behind networks set up in all NATO countries and best-known under the name of the Italian branch, Gladio?

The Norwegian government needs to find out. Thus far Norwegian ministers have asserted that they never approved the SIMAS network of SDUs. “We never knew about it,” claimed Norway’s Justice Minister Knut Storberget and Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre in chorus. Hillary Clinton stated instead that the Norwegians had been informed.

CIA’s Wikileaks Limited Hangout Has Rationale for Toppling Norway’s Government

Thanks to document dumps by the CIA limited hangout subsidiary generally known as Wikileaks, an obvious path for using the Norwegian terror attacks as a rationale for overthrowing the current government has already been provided. Real or doctored State Department cables obligingly made available by Wikileaks portray the Norwegian government which NATO hates as a collection of bunglers and misfits, unable to take effective measures to safeguard the national security of the country.

Some of these tables have been published in the immediate wake of the terror attacks by the London Daily Telegraph, a newspaper reputedly close to NATO intelligence circles. According to this article, while ‘talking about an attempt by the Police Security Service (PST) to track one particular suspected Al Qaeda terror cell, a cable written by the US Ambassador to Norway, Barry White, describes [how Norwegian authorities] … refused the help of the UK authorities to put surveillance on a potential suspect and adds: “Not only will they not put their own resources on him…but they also just turned down the visiting UK intel service’s offer of two twelve-person surveillance teams.” The cable goes on to say the UK and US intelligence services analyzed coded conversation between terror suspects and decided it warranted surveillance. But, says the cable, “PST instead found a way to interpret the same translated coded conversation in a rosier, less threatening light, an interpretation which makes little sense to the US or UK.”‘ A catalog of even the most recent failures and fiascos of the FBI and the CIA in the so-called Global War on Terror would help to put these hypocritical judgments into proper perspective, but it would also be too voluminous to be appended here.

Another damaging particular appears made to order for an attempt to blame the alleged bungling of the Norwegian government for the Oslo bomb attack: ‘The memo also reveals how, despite apparently having surveillance on the suspect, the PST lost track of bomb-making equipment which was being stored in an apartment after it was apparently removed without investigators’ noticing. The PST then failed to track one suspect for 14 days because the investigator assigned to him was called away on another job. The memo concludes: “The PST is in over its head…it simply cannot keep up.”‘

Another State Department memo dished up by Wikileaks, supposedly written in 2007… adds: “The official police (PST) threat evaluation…states that international terror organizations are not a direct threat against Norway. A memo written in 2008 shows how the US felt that Norway was not awake to the possibility of a potential terrorist attack. The cable reads: “We repeatedly press Norwegian authorities to take terrorism seriously. We will seek to build on this momentum to fight the still-prevalent feeling that terrorism happens elsewhere, not in peaceful Norway.” And a cable written just last year adds: “The PST still viewed Denmark as more of a target than Norway, for reasons very specific to the cartoon controversy.” 8

The government of Norway needs to go on the offensive and establish the whole truth of what has just occurred. Otherwise, that government is likely to succumb to the internationally orchestrated campaign which the Wikileaks documents so clearly foreshadow.

http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/




SWAT team aim their weapons at a group of youngsters hiding from the gunman, after taking 60 minutes to respond

Quote:

Erik Kusetgjerde, an 18-year-old Labour Party youth member, said the gunman 'would tell people to come over, saying, “It's OK, you're safe, we're coming to help you” '. He added: 'I saw about 20 people come towards him - and he shot them at close range.' Survivor Dana Berzingi, 21, confirmed that the fake policeman ordered people to come closer, then pulled weapons and ammunition from a bag and started shooting.
He said that after shooting the victims with one gun, the gunman shot them again in the head with a shotgun.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018106/You-die-Anders-Behring-Breivi
k-called-calmly-opening-fire.html




How does a car bomb set the top floor on fire?

Or was it like OK City federal building with bombs installed indoors by the feds?


Jewish PM of Norway gets his martial law and wars for Israel

Quote:

"We in Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.”
-AUF Labour Party's youth movemen leader Eskil Pedersen in Norway, two days before the Utoya Island massacre
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-was-the-massacre-in-norwa
y-a-reaction-to-bds.html




Norway's massacre of women and children in Libya did not get media coverage


"Those who give up liberty for security deserve to show their panties."
-Brock Samson

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