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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:38 AM

DREAMTROVE


US looks for ways to intercept his extradition to Sweden by introducing new charges. Say hello to Gitmo. You shouldn't've mentioned the banks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-us-embassy-c
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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 5:30 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
US looks for ways to intercept his extradition to Sweden by introducing new charges. Say hello to Gitmo. You shouldn't've mentioned the banks.


Now that he's turned himself in he can go to jail and get turned out...

H

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 5:41 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

The fate of Assange will be interesting to observe, but ultimately immaterial.

The cat is out of the bag, and it is bigger than Assange. He is merely the mask of a movement. The face of an idea.

And if you will indulge me in a bit of dramatic quoting...

Ideas are bulletproof.

--Anthony




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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 5:49 AM

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Appropriate movie to quote given the topic :)

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 5:58 AM

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Sure, indulge me too: "ideas are just words on paper... words are cheap...actions speak louder than words."

What is that idea exactly? I'm still doubtful of what his leaks will or have accomplished.

How many GIGS of secrets did he leak? Thousands and thousands of docs and what has it done? Make diplomats eye each other with a little more suspicion? Like they didn't already. If there will be any measurable change brought on by his actions it will be that security will be tighter, leaks will happen less, diplomacy will continue in tone as it always has.

The other change will be The People will have a false sense of reckoning with Big Gov., that "they won't do that again!" Do what again? And of course they will, just not in the same way, so maybe The People will be right? Vindicated by a hollow victory.

I think the fallout from what he leaked is almost over, the banks will be the next test, but will they come out now? He certainly has sleeper leakers. I hope they do, I doubt they will be many surprises. "Gouging customers is job One."


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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:10 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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The cat is out of the bag, and it is bigger than Assange. He is merely the mask of a movement. The face of an idea.

Like most political imprisonment, this arrest and persecution of Assange will make the movement a bit more cautious. If it is not resolved in Assange's favor, it will just drive the movement more underground. But the movement WILL go one.

What has Wikileaks accomplished? It has given us the courage to challenge the government's right to secrecy and privacy. It has shown us that we, the peons and serfs of the world, are not alone in our disgust of the machinations of power. It has shown us that the govt is supposed to work for us, not the other way around.

Once the people's eyes are opened, it is that much harder to lull us back to sleep again.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:10 AM

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Assange holding a TV press conference with his 2 rape victims:



Apparently consentual "sex by surprise" without a condom, DAY AFTER DAY AND AGAIN AND AGAIN while an invited guest in her apartment, is a crime in Sweden, a nation populated by busty blonde porn stars and Nazi CIA hos.

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Julian Assange now stands accused of: (1) not calling a young woman the day after he had enjoyed a night with her, (2) asking her to pay for his bus ticket, (3) having unsafe sex, and (4) participating in two brief affairs in the course of one week.

http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir09142010.html



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Assange's "Sex By Surprise" Accuser Worked With US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro Group the Bombed an Olympic Airliner Pardoned by George Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a
ddress=389x9694381


"Anna Ardin (the official complainant) is often described by the media as a “leftist”. She has ties to the US-financed anti-Castro and anti-communist groups. She published her anti-Castro diatribes (see here and here) in the Swedish-language publication Revista de Asignaturas Cubanas put out by Misceláneas de Cuba. From Oslo, Professor Michael Seltzer points out that this periodical is the product of a well-financed anti-Castro organization in Sweden. He further notes that the group is connected with Union Liberal Cubana led by Carlos Alberto Montaner whose CIA ties were exposed here."

"In Cuba she interacted with the feminist anti-Castro group Las damas de blanco (the Ladies in White). This group receives US government funds and the convicted anti-communist terrorist Luis Posada Carriles is a friend and supporter. Wikipedia quotes Hebe de Bonafini, president of the Argentine Madres de Plaza de Mayo as saying that “the so-called Ladies in White defend the terrorism of the United States.”

Who is Luis Posada Carriles? He’s a mass murderer, and former CIA agent.



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Meet Anna Ardin, the political secretary and press officer of the Swedish "Brotherhood Movement," a group of Christians from the Social Democratic Party controversial for inviting anti-Semitic speakers to the country. Another of their invited speakers: Assange, who lectured on the group's behalf in Stockholm this month right before he was hit with sex charges from two different women, charges ultimately dismissed by Swedish police and derided by Assange as "dirty tricks." Ardin appears to have helped coordinate Assange's travel around the country; in addition to arranging the Stockholm event, she reportedly tried to arrange places for Assange to stay through her Twitter account (she has apparently since deleted the tweets and has locked her WordPress blog).

Meet Wikileaks Founder's Alleged Sex Victim
http://gawker.com/5619931/meet-wikileaks-founders-alleged-sex-victim




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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:10 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

The idea is that people can have access to a reality that isn't scrubbed for public consumption.

The idea is that the powers, all the powers, are not immune to scrutiny as they have been in the past.

Assange didn't leak these documents. He published them. Thus the idea is also that there are people in organizations- people trusted with secrets- who are so disgusted by the system that they are willing to compromise it. And now those people will realize that there is an outlet for them to do so.

Security will doubtless tighten, but I well know that large organizations have vulnerabilities that simply can't be locked down in their entirety.

And it won't just be Wikileaks. I expect this phenomenon to grow. The danger started when the internet gave everyone a printing press, and so the press became everyone.

I expect there will be more of this, not less. I expect this is the beginning of uncomfortable disclosures, not the end.

As we get more and more glimpses at the man behind the curtain, we will have opportunities for the first time to be educated voters. For the first time, we will have an idea as to what is actually happening.

The fourth estate has failed, but now that every man is a pressman, the fifth column is everywhere.

--Anthony



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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:16 AM

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Would YOU rape* this CIA agent, if she begged you to rape* her over and over in her own bed?




*Rape is defined as consentual sex without a condom in Sweden.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Assange didn't leak these documents. He published them. Thus the idea is also that there are people in organizations- people trusted with secrets- who are so disgusted by the system that they are willing to compromise it. And now those people will realize that there is an outlet for them to do so.



The leaker was a Homosexual Private First Class. Dont ask dont tell!


Pizza guy saves planet, sucks dick
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2561766/posts



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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:26 AM

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PN - no doubt her mailbox was full of checks from "interested parties" that wanted her to say as much. But I don't blame her, she could be swept aside just as easily. It's almost as bad as "I didn't inhale." Seriously, such a scam! How can the prosecution prove anything?

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:57 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

The idea is that people can have access to a reality that isn't scrubbed for public consumption.

The idea is that the powers, all the powers, are not immune to scrutiny as they have been in the past.

Assange didn't leak these documents. He published them. Thus the idea is also that there are people in organizations- people trusted with secrets- who are so disgusted by the system that they are willing to compromise it. And now those people will realize that there is an outlet for them to do so.

Security will doubtless tighten, but I well know that large organizations have vulnerabilities that simply can't be locked down in their entirety.

And it won't just be Wikileaks. I expect this phenomenon to grow. The danger started when the internet gave everyone a printing press, and so the press became everyone.

I expect there will be more of this, not less. I expect this is the beginning of uncomfortable disclosures, not the end.

As we get more and more glimpses at the man behind the curtain, we will have opportunities for the first time to be educated voters. For the first time, we will have an idea as to what is actually happening.

The fourth estate has failed, but now that every man is a pressman, the fifth column is everywhere.




I can't say that comforts me at all! If we all had your purer motivations it might be a good thing, but, uh, look around ya. So maybe your personal documents are next?

Besides, who needs wikileaks?? The worst things the US is doing has nothing to do with what Wikileaks has published: Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., and we're doing absolutely nothing about it.



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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 7:12 AM

ANTHONYT

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"So maybe your personal documents are next? "

Hello,

Next? My personal documents have long since been on the table for the sake of National Security. I can be murdered by the Executive branch without due process. I can be seized and held indefinitely.

This is the first time the scales have tilted the other way. The way, incidentally, that the founders intended when they gave broad protections to the press. (i.e. anyone who operates a printing press.)

"Besides, who needs wikileaks?? The worst things the US is doing has nothing to do with what Wikileaks has published: Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., and we're doing absolutely nothing about it."

Wikileaks has published quite a bit about these conflicts that seem likely to sap the credibility of the government and the will to go to war on their pretenses. Wikileaks is responsible for some unvarnished peeks at the war, and how far the administration will lie about it.

Why do we need wikileaks? Because they are currently doing the job that traditional news and news reporters were meant to do. Namely, inform the citizenry of the actions of their institutions so that we can make more intelligent choices.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 7:18 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Why do we need wikileaks? Because they are currently doing the job that traditional news and news reporters were meant to do. Namely, inform the citizenry of the actions of their institutions so that we can make more intelligent choices.

I'm going to have to steal that one. If you see it plagiarized on the internet and passed off as something brilliant that I said, don't judge me too harshly.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 7:46 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"So maybe your personal documents are next? "

Hello,

Next? My personal documents have long since been on the table for the sake of National Security. I can be murdered by the Executive branch without due process. I can be seized and held indefinitely.

This is the first time the scales have tilted the other way. The way, incidentally, that the founders intended when they gave broad protections to the press. (i.e. anyone who operates a printing press.)

"Besides, who needs wikileaks?? The worst things the US is doing has nothing to do with what Wikileaks has published: Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., and we're doing absolutely nothing about it."

Wikileaks has published quite a bit about these conflicts that seem likely to sap the credibility of the government and the will to go to war on their pretenses. Wikileaks is responsible for some unvarnished peeks at the war, and how far the administration will lie about it.

Why do we need wikileaks? Because they are currently doing the job that traditional news and news reporters were meant to do. Namely, inform the citizenry of the actions of their institutions so that we can make more intelligent choices.

--Anthony

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No offense, but I don't think the Gov cares about your personal documents. I meant retailers and the public at large, people who can take advantage of knowing your personal habits and what you do, what you buy, what you have in the bank, and what you may want to do. In other words, loss of Freedom, a word and an idea I know you care a great deal about.

Traditional news was suppose to do these things? I didn't know they had a mandate to watch our backs. That would be nice, a bonus, but their invested in themselves primarily. If the 2 align we're lucky. Today I'd say they are largely run by poeple who do the bidding of incredibly sophisticated algorithms.

The best thing wikileaks is doing imho is give everyday ifolk a sense of hope, and that can have a positive effect on the economy. A better economy and sense of well being is generally good for everyone. The worst thing is that it can give these same people a sense that, "Mission Accomplished" wikileaks has our back, we'll just wait for the revelations to pour in! They have to be acted on for the words to mean anything.
Now let's cut the military budget like we already knew we should - less words, more action.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 8:01 AM

ANTHONYT

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"I meant retailers and the public at large, people who can take advantage of knowing your personal habits and what you do, what you buy, what you have in the bank, and what you may want to do. In other words, loss of Freedom, a word and an idea I know you care a great deal about."

Hello,

I do care a great deal about it, but I do not see the connection between wikileaks and retailers or the public at large.

"Traditional news was suppose to do these things? I didn't know they had a mandate to watch our backs."

According to the Supreme Court, they do. I don't have them to hand, but the Supreme Court rulings on the Pentagon Papers are quite illuminating.

"Today I'd say they are largely run by poeple who do the bidding of incredibly sophisticated algorithms."

Hence my gladness at seeing upstarts like Wikileaks filling the void.

"The worst thing is that it can give these same people a sense that, "Mission Accomplished" wikileaks has our back, we'll just wait for the revelations to pour in! They have to be acted on for the words to mean anything. Now let's cut the military budget like we already knew we should - less words, more action."

Hold on, I know I have my magic wand somewhere... ;-)

Dissatisfaction with government and the military complex will translate into changes in policy when ballots are at risk. That dissatisfaction is amplified by revelations about the abuses and misinformation spread by our government. It's not a flip-the-switch thing. It's a long game. Our job is to keep up the furor and keep spreading the word so that people don't forget.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 9:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"I meant retailers and the public at large, people who can take advantage of knowing your personal habits and what you do, what you buy, what you have in the bank, and what you may want to do. In other words, loss of Freedom, a word and an idea I know you care a great deal about."

Hello,

I do care a great deal about it, but I do not see the connection between wikileaks and retailers or the public at large.



I don't think people who are willing to steal secrets care what those secrets are, only what their value is, like you bank access info, credit card and SS#s. Maybe Asange is a great moralist and his aim is simply, The Truth. There are certainly others who don't care.

Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hold on, I know I have my magic wand somewhere... ;-)

Dissatisfaction with government and the military complex will translate into changes in policy when ballots are at risk. That dissatisfaction is amplified by revelations about the abuses and misinformation spread by our government. It's not a flip-the-switch thing. It's a long game. Our job is to keep up the furor and keep spreading the word so that people don't forget.



What we need is wikiaction.org

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 9:33 AM

ANTHONYT

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"I don't think people who are willing to steal secrets care what those secrets are, only what their value is, like you bank access info, credit card and SS#s. Maybe Asange is a great moralist and his aim is simply, The Truth. There are certainly others who don't care."

Hello,

While it is possible that someone from my organization (my wife, I suppose) will leak my financial data to a news agency, it is not a concern foremost on my mind.

There are laws protecting private information. Just as there are laws protecting whistleblowers and the press.

I think the difference between the two is evident.

I have a deep interest in personal Freedom and Privacy. However, I also have a deep interest in constraining the Freedom and Privacy of my government. Does that make me a hypocrite?

--Anthony


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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 10:13 AM

DREAMTROVE


Anthony,

Are you saying he's Fawkes News?


Pizmo, you're missing it: He has changed the infoflow. It used to be, the infoflow was top down, broadcast, like television. The internet created infoflow as parallel, peer to peer. Then the powers that be tried to reassert their top down infoflow. Now Assange has made the infoflow bottom up. We determine what the story is, and everyone will have access to the information. The dynamic has decidedly shifted: Large organizations that do evil will be ratted, because they will have to rely on humans. And humans can't be trusted.



To repost Frem's comments when I expressed the fear that this sort of thing could be reversed to harm our privacy: No, it won't, because these guys in power don't have that kind of savvy, or that kind of mindset. They will see this as something to be hit over the head with a stick, not emulated.


That, plus Anthony: Yes, the fact that large organizations have many members. As individuals, we have just ourselves, there is much less opportunity for leaks, and there are many fewer interested parties in reading those.

If a govt. had to read thousands of documents on each of a billion citizens, it would be impossible, but if a billion citizens were to break down the actions of thousands of govt. representatives, they could do it with ease.


I see this thread has brought out the more radical side of a normally moderate Anthony ;), oh, and well said.
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The fourth estate has failed, but now that every man is a pressman, the fifth column is everywhere.


This is the line I want to steal ;) Is it original?

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 10:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Pizmo, you're missing it: He has changed the infoflow. It used to be, the infoflow was top down, broadcast, like television. The internet created infoflow as parallel, peer to peer. Then the powers that be tried to reassert their top down infoflow. Now Assange has made the infoflow bottom up. We determine what the story is, and everyone will have access to the information. The dynamic has decidedly shifted: Large organizations that do evil will be ratted, because they will have to rely on humans. And humans can't be trusted.



You are pointing out the errors of your own logic almost within the same sentence - I thought only Limbaugh did that.

"We determine what the story is..."

"And humans can't be trusted."

To refute your assertion that "they" can't use it on "us" please see your own thread about being a rat in a maze. To think that this discussion is confined to Us v. Gov is also missing the point.

Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
That, plus Anthony: Yes, the fact that large organizations have many members. As individuals, we have just ourselves, there is much less opportunity for leaks, and there are many fewer interested parties in reading those.



Do tell that to the people who make me read Privacy Statements and then tell the people who jacked my credit card 3 times in the last 2 years.

Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
If a govt. had to read thousands of documents on each of a billion citizens, it would be impossible, but if a billion citizens were to break down the actions of thousands of govt. representatives, they could do it with ease.

You are the undisputed king of hypotheticalville.
Closer to home... what if a single hacker broke into a bank with 10 million customers?

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"I don't think people who are willing to steal secrets care what those secrets are, only what their value is, like you bank access info, credit card and SS#s. Maybe Asange is a great moralist and his aim is simply, The Truth. There are certainly others who don't care."

Hello,

While it is possible that someone from my organization (my wife, I suppose) will leak my financial data to a news agency, it is not a concern foremost on my mind.

There are laws protecting private information. Just as there are laws protecting whistleblowers and the press.

I think the difference between the two is evident.

I have a deep interest in personal Freedom and Privacy. However, I also have a deep interest in constraining the Freedom and Privacy of my government. Does that make me a hypocrite?




Who decides the constraints and restrictions? Our elected officials? Who acts on the content in all those leaked current and future documents? Fwiw, that is what I've been trying to get at with all of my typing.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:24 AM

ANTHONYT

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"This is the line I want to steal ;) Is it original?"

Hello,

I'm not sure I believe in original thought, but I didn't copy it from anywhere.

--Anthony



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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:26 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Large organizations that do evil will be ratted, because they will have to rely on humans. And humans can't be trusted.



"We determine what the story is..."

"And humans can't be trusted."

Put the second sentence in context, Piz. Humans can't be trusted to sit quietly and take evil anymore. Humans can't be trusted to do what they are told by large organizations that do evil anymore. Humans can't be trusted to keep dirty little secrets for said orgs.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:27 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Who decides the constraints and restrictions? Our elected officials? Who acts on the content in all those leaked current and future documents? Fwiw, that is what I've been trying to get at with all of my typing.

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Hello,

We do, when we vote. When we oppose policy, and make the squirmy folks on the top of the heap shift gears and swerve to avoid unpopularity.

Thanks to opinion polls, we even get many unofficial votes between our official votes.

What I'm trying to get at is that we do what we normally do, but now with eyes open on a clear day instead of through a fog.

--Anthony



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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:31 AM

ANTHONYT

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"Closer to home... what if a single hacker broke into a bank with 10 million customers?"

Hello,

This, or something like it, happens with unsettling regularity.

I'm not sure what connection it has to the wikileaks phenomenon. Perhaps you could draw me a picture, because I'm not getting it.

--Anthony


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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by piratenews:


Would YOU rape* this CIA agent, if she begged you to rape* her over and over in her own bed?

*Rape is defined as consentual sex without a condom in Sweden.


CORRECTION: Would YOU rape* this CIA agent, if she begged you to rape* her AND HER HOTTIE FRIEND over and over in her own bed?

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 3:06 PM

DREAMTROVE


Couple things:

1) Apparently you can hack the financial system with a Playstation 3.

2) It's just not possible to rape a threesome. Two girls could overpower Julian Assange.
I humbly suggest that this is what happened, and how they became a threesome

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 10:12 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


"Rudd fires back at US over WikiLeaks: it's your fault
December 8, 2010 - 5:23PM


According to the latest leaked documents, the US regards the Foreign Affairs Minister, Kevin Rudd, as an abrasive, impulsive ''control freak''.

Foreign minister Kevin Rudd today blamed the United States, not the WikiLeaks founder, for the unauthorised release of about 250,000 secret US diplomatic cables - some of which reflected badly on him.

He said those who originally leaked the documents were legally liable.

Kevin Rudd ... says US needs to tighten security.
And, he added, the leaks raised questions over the "adequacy" of US security over the cables.

"Mr Assange is not himself responsible for the unauthorised release of 250,000 documents from the US diplomatic communications network," Mr Rudd told Reuters in an interview.

"The Americans are responsible for that," he said.

Yesterday, Mr Rudd said in response to a journalist's question about what governments should do in response to the leaked diplomatic cables: ''Rule No.1 for our friends in the United States is - how do you tighten things up a bit?

''I think that's a fair old question. Maybe 2 million or so people having access to this stuff is a bit of a problem,'' he said, alluding to the fact that many US government officials had access to the classified material.

Mr Rudd earlier shrugged off claims he is an abrasive, impulsive "control freak", and has offered support to the founder of the website that leaked the comments by diplomats.

Mr Rudd said today the criticism of him in US diplomatic cables being a "control freak" was like "water off a duck's back".

"I don't, frankly, give a damn about this sort of thing. You just get on with it," he told the Seven Network.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard today defended the man she toppled to take leadership of the country, saying Mr Rudd was doing a "fantastic job" in foreign affairs.

"Kevin Rudd is a man who throughout his adult life has devoted himself to expertise in foreign policy," she told reporters in Melbourne.

"He's bringing that expertise to bear for the Australian nation and doing an absolutely first-class job."

Detailed messages, sent by the US embassy in Canberra over several years and obtained by WikiLeaks, show US officials viewed Mr Rudd as a "control freak" while he was prime minister.

US officials criticised his foreign relations performance for being focused on media-driven photo opportunities and for making snap announcements without consulting other countries.

He was seen as making various "missteps" and "significant blunders" for micro-managing and once in 2008 demanded a meeting with US president George Bush only to cancel two days later.

Ms Gillard expressed her full confidence in Mr Rudd and said it would be foolish to form a view of someone from published criticisms. Instead, she said she was focused on outcomes.

In June, Ms Gillard made similar comments in the days before she ousted Mr Rudd as prime minister.

"The thing that matters is not what's in the pages of the daily newspapers but a focus on making a difference," she said less than two weeks before her successful leadership bid

The cables have revealed embarrassing details in foreign affairs, but several government members said on Wednesday they would not damage US-Australia relations, which remained strong.

Ms Gillard, however, has continued to tone down her language in describing the WikiLeaks website and its editor-in-chief Julian Assange.

She initially called the website "illegal" but later said the "foundation stone" of the issue was the illegal leaking of confidential documents.

Today, she said the publication of the embassy cables was "grossly irresponsible"."

From The Age website

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:01 AM

DREAMTROVE


That's closer.

Shame the Aussie's aren't standing behind their international hero more. Another approach to take would be that no real crime has been committed. If our diplomatic corps is duplicitous, they should be called on it, but mostly, it was lighthearted stuff: Medvedev is Robin to Putin's Batman? Yeah, of course he is, and the world knows it. I picture Putin reading that, looking in the mirror, flexing his muscles and saying "I'm Batman!"

Come on, it's probably the best complement he's had from America in years ;)


Anyway, I see that Australia has actually considered standing up for him. You know, there's this whole commonwealth thing where they can actually ask for him back, 'cause I know this is very much under the table stuff. They could then like pardon him, and stuff.

Of course, it helps Assange *not* to have the backing of any govt. and,

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:05 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I just watched the US Assistant Secretary of State for the Asia Pacific region sweat droplets of blood over the above, and it was strangely satisfying.

I think I'm kind of enjoying all this.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:








I'd hit it.




But the simple fact of the matter is, Julian is being set up, plain and simple.



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:43 AM

CANTTAKESKY


I found this entertaining. One government (Bolivian) that is supporting Wikileaks.

http://wikileaks.vicepresidencia.gob.bo/

The site goes in and out, btw.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:52 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Interesting debate



--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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