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95% of abusive and harassing behavior on line is aimed at women

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Monday, November 29, 2010 1:03 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Omygawd, I never would have imagined!
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Given the amount of harassment and abusive behavior that women are subjected to every day, it is hardly surprising that women are also victimized online as well. It is probably fair to say that because of the nature of the web, in many ways it is easier to be abusive online than off. People who might not have the nerve to threaten you in person feel safer in doing so online when they can hide behind screen names and phony email addresses.

The UN estimates that 95% of aggressive behavior, harassment, abusive language and degrading images in online spaces are aimed at women.

More at http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2010/11/29/95-of-abusive-and-haras
sing-behavior-online-is-aimed-at-women-2
/

You're gonna love a couple of the "suggestions" they offer:

• Be as creative and as tactical as you can in your action
• Write a blog post
• Respond to sexist comments

Can you see doing those here?? Although I think we've got more "equal opportunity abusiveness" going on here, actually...


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Monday, November 29, 2010 1:40 PM

WHOZIT


You're icky and boys don't like you.

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Monday, November 29, 2010 1:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Monday, November 29, 2010 1:58 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Nikovich12 wrote:

95% of abusive and harassing behavior on line is aimed at women



Thank God! That'd be terrible if vice versa.

Actually, 95% of abusive online posts are against Arab Semites. Even kosher VP Darth Cheney says Bomb Bomb Bomb Semites in Iran. Wikileaks* just relased 250,000 docs from kosher secretary of war/state Billary Klingon saying Bomb Bomb Bomb Semites in Iran. (* a wholely owned subsidiary if Israeli Mossad)

Nobody is saying to genocide millions of women onlihne, unless you count the 40-million women genocided by libtards' aborticide.


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Monday, November 29, 2010 2:09 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Oh grow UP, willya ?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GirlsHaveCooties
*snerk*

-F

You're a great big Mrs. Icky face booger nose poo head with cooties.

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:41 AM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


It's a good thing that 95%of women can take it!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:50 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I hate these kinds of statistics.

Mind you, I hate harassment and abuse.

But I also hate authoritative statements that mean nothing.

We need to know

1) What constitutes abusive and harassing behavior online?

and

2) How was the 'estimate' of percentage determined?

--Anthony

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 6:08 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Indeed, I tend to doubt just about any statistic cited in a newspaper article as bullshit unless I know exactly who came up with it. (then when I know i can dismiss them as deliberate falshoods most of the time anyway)

After all, 71% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Oops, 71.0000001% now :)

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 8:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Nikovich12 wrote:

95% of abusive and harassing behavior on line is aimed at women



Thank God! That'd be terrible if vice versa.

Actually, 95% of abusive online posts are against Arab Semites.




Well, 95% of YOUR posts are, you mean...

This Space For Rent!

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 9:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, the statistic was reported by Jac sm Kee, who is the focal point for APC WNSP's work on women's rights. She coordinates the EroTICS research (Exploratory Research on Sexuality and the Internet) and APC's "Take Back The Tech!" campaign.

It quotes the UN, so I tend to give it some credence. Nothing can be completely trusted, of course, and I don't know how they arrived at their figures, and yes, it would be interesting to have the discussion you mentioned; I just put up the article in case anyone thought it was worth discussing.

As to the veracity, it's also offered at other cites, and here is a more detailed one:
Quote:

The United Nations estimates that 95% of aggressive behaviour, harassment, abusive language and denigrating images in online spaces are aimed at women and come from partners or former male partners. Other surveys show that the victims of cyber-stalking are predominantly female.

Many popular social networking websites include personal information such as email addresses, phone numbers, birthdays, names of family members, and even minute-to-minute updates on a person’s location, which is useful to friends but could also act as a source of information for perpetrators of violence.

To this end, APC Women and Inter Press Service Africa are co-hosting a media roundtable entitled ‘Click Against Violence: Taking 16 Days of Activism Online’, to discuss online Gender Based Violence and resources available to cover the issue.

http://www.apc.org/en/node/11403/

More on that
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The 16 Days of Activism Against Gender Violence Campaign uses the 16 days between International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women (25 November) and International Human Rights Day (10 December) to reinforce that eliminating all forms of violence against women is a human rights issue and that the act of perpetrating violence against women is a human rights violation. The 16 Days Campaign brings the human rights framework to the heart of its work and utilizes it to ensure that both state and non-state actors are held accountable for acts of violence against women.

November 25th was declared International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women at the first Feminist Encuentro for Latin America and the Caribbean held in Bogota, Colombia, July 18-21, 1981. The “feminist encuentros” are conferences of feminists from Latin America who come together every 2-3 years in a different Latin American country in order to exchange experiences and to reflect upon the state of the women’s movement. At that first Encuentro, women systematically denounced all forms of gender violence from domestic battery to rape and sexual harassment to state violence including torture and abuse of women political prisoners. November 25th was chosen to commemorate the violent assassination of the Mirabal sisters (Patria, Minerva and Maria Teresa) on November 25, 1960 by the dictatorship of Rafael Trujillo in the Dominican Republic. In 1999, the United Nations officially recognized November 25th as the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women.

About this year’s theme:

This year marks the 20th 16 Days of Activism Against Gender Violence Campaign, and with this important landmark, the Center for Women’s Global Leadership (CWGL) is considering new ways to utilize the campaign for transformative change. Year after year, new partners join the 16 Days Campaign to bring local, national, and global attention to the various forms of violence that women face. The attention that gender-based violence has received in international forums is a testimony to the powerful actions of women’s rights activists around the world. Yet, despite this increased awareness, women continue to experience violations in alarming numbers and new forms of violence are emerging. We, as defenders of women’s human rights, have a responsibility to look more closely at the structures in place that permit gender-based violence to exist and persist. After much consultation with activists, organizations, and experts from around the world, militarism has emerged as one of the key structures that perpetuates violence.


http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2010/11/24/16-days-of-activism-aga
inst-gender-violence/comment-page-1
/

Apparently the statistic from the UN is being used as part of a larger movement; the news of the UN statistic came out November 10th, and from what I see here, it indicates most of the harassment comes from partners or former male partners, so it's not talking about generalized abuse, like we see here.

That's as far as I'm willing to take the time to trace it. Dunno if that helps.



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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:11 AM

KANEMAN


I'm trying to change that. I am a feminist

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
the EroTICS research (Exploratory Research on Sexuality and the Internet)


I can't help it, my first thought when I saw that was - "Hoo boy, that sounds like a fun job!".

But yeah, most stupidity/jackassery does seem to be aimed at females on the net, given how often many of my ambiguous postnames or gamer IDs get taken for female (and many not-so-ambiguous, what part of BogTheMighty sounds female?!) and the idiot-reaction to it is all too predictable.

There's also a certain level of female-to-female nastiness I can offer no rational explaination for, although that is mostly limited to social networking media.

Not that I care, jackassery is jackassery, and unacceptable in any case.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:44 PM

NIKI2

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There's also a certain level of female-to-female nastiness I can offer no rational explaination for
Stockholm Syndrome?


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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 4:45 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Women seem to have an unfortunate tendency to see other women as adversaries competing for resources. I don't know if the resource is men, respect, social standing, or whatever.

It may indeed be something society has built into them.

--Anthony


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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 6:42 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ayep, I recall from even my school days noticing that much of the abuse against females comes from other females, a cultural phenomenae I do kind of understand, but I dunno how to express in coherent form to anyone else.

-F

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Wednesday, December 1, 2010 4:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


In any case, when its relatively easy to remain anonymous, why not do so? These stats apply mostly to social networking sites where the individual WANTS to be personally known, and to porn sites. There is, I imagine, and great deal of hostility that can't be classified as "against women or men" because the gender of the recipient isn't known.

Personally, I think social networking sites are stupid and dangerous, and I refuse to use them.

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Wednesday, December 1, 2010 5:58 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
The UN estimates...


I can see they are using a scientific method to determine their statistics.

I wonder how they ignore all the websites devoted to bashing whites, blacks, jews, geeks, gays, Christians, Muslims, PirateNews, Democrats, Republicans, specific peaple (like Barrack Obama and Sarah Palin), Klingons, non-Klingons, celebrities, sports figures, the UN, etc.

My guess is they start at 50% and then make a lot of assumptions.

For my part I'm against abuse of people or groups unless they deserve it (like PirateNews and Australians). I reserve the right to by the only person allowed to judge if said abuse is deserved or not.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Wednesday, December 1, 2010 7:56 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Personally, I think social networking sites are stupid and dangerous, and I refuse to use them.


Amen - although still, as you say "relatively" easy, it sure hell ain't as easy as it once was, nor as effective as people think, more than one stalker has found our teeth in their ankle that way.

Worst of it is even when their intended target is smart about it, you have to worry about all their idiot friends, co-workers and family running their mouths off on facebook, and whatnot, so just holding your own tongue is also no longer sufficient.

Gotta tell ya, getting mistaken for female so damn often online has certainly given me a wider perspective and more sympathy cause for a fact you have to put up with more bullshit, even if it doesn't make no damn sense.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, December 2, 2010 6:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I’m with Sig, too...I signed up for either Facebook or one of the others, I forget which one, because someone I knew had—-“friended” I think you call it?---me, but I’ve never been back. Got no use for ‘em and everything I hear makes them sound more bad than good.

Agreed women-on-women, Anthony, and yes, I do think it’s societal...AND genetic. Remember we still carry a lot of caveman genetics, such as men admiring big boobs and hips (better childbearing) and women admire rich and muscles (better provider), etc. It’s called “competition” for the best “hunter” in the group, extended into modern concepts. Supposedly we see every other female as a rival. But my experience has been that having a female for my “other” (for all the insane baggage that came with Jo) was wonderful; our minds work alike, we could TALK things out, and we were missing that “caveman” bullshit with another woman. I’ll never have another relationship, if Jim dies before me, but if I was ever tempted to, it would be with a woman!

Also, if one is figuring out statistics like this, it doesn’t matter what race, ethnicity, religion, etc. is involved, it’s male/female WITHIN those groups. And respectfully, I’ll give the UN credence over someone on a forum who doesn’t know anything about the issue.


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Thursday, December 2, 2010 6:13 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Keep in mind that if the U.N. said something like:

"New information shows 95% likelihood that Global Warming theory was incorrect."

Then there would likely be much clamoring for the specifics of how this figure was reached, despite our good faith in the wisdom and authority of the U.N.

There's never anything wrong with being skeptical about such things and wanting to know more about how these authoritative statements are reached.

--Anthony



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Thursday, December 2, 2010 6:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Another point granted. I guess, for me, I hate to see anything discarded out of hand because a source isn't "good enought" to even consider the pont might be valid.


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Thursday, December 2, 2010 7:03 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

My own reaction when I saw the statistic was an immediate 'It can't be!'

But this was based on my understanding of abusive and harassing behavior.

I play online games and frequent forums where female participants are somewhat rarer than males, and abusive harassment is as rampant as oxygen. (And mostly directed at the available targets - men.)

Contrarily, I have participated in cooperative roleplaying online where female participants outnumber males five to one, and most of the abuse comes from women.

It never occurred to me that the statistic might be specifically about people who had a relationship with a woman and hounded her online.

Hence an instant desire to know what was behind this statistic. Not merely because I am skeptical of the U.N. and its motives, but also because my personal experience didn't match the claim.


--Anthony

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Thursday, December 2, 2010 10:16 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Another point granted. I guess, for me, I hate to see anything discarded out of hand because a source isn't "good enought" to even consider the pont might be valid.


I estimate that around 70% of the Earth is covered in water...and 95% if Liberals are covered in crap. My estimate is based on first hand observation (saw the ocean, ocean is big) and empirical evidence (liberals are up to their noses in crap).

H

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Thursday, December 2, 2010 11:08 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


Concerning online games, whenever I'm making a character that I don't know if it will be effective or not, I always make it female, because other players are less likely to be jerks with the tiresome 'your build sucks' 'f@%#@% newb' etc...

But if my avatar is female, I might be female, and I can be creative make something that might not be quite as effective as the latest broken wiki build character, and not be harassed over it. I mean these are GAMES, they're supposed to be fun, lol. So I sometimes take advantage of the stereotype that most gamers might be male and losers.

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Thursday, December 2, 2010 11:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Another point granted. I guess, for me, I hate to see anything discarded out of hand because a source isn't "good enought" to even consider the pont might be valid.


I estimate that around 70% of the Earth is covered in water...and 95% if Liberals are covered in crap. My estimate is based on first hand observation (saw the ocean, ocean is big) and empirical evidence (liberals are up to their noses in crap).

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.



Ah, I remember, for the briefest of times, I started to respect you just a little bit.

Thanks for showing me my error.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, December 2, 2010 4:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Concerning online games, whenever I'm making a character that I don't know if it will be effective or not, I always make it female, because other players are less likely to be jerks with the tiresome 'your build sucks' 'f@%#@% newb' etc...

But if my avatar is female, I might be female, and I can be creative make something that might not be quite as effective as the latest broken wiki build character, and not be harassed over it. I mean these are GAMES, they're supposed to be fun, lol. So I sometimes take advantage of the stereotype that most gamers might be male and losers.


Not to mention, if yer gonna be staring at the back of a pixellated character for an hour and more at a time, it sure helps if they're cute, doesn't it ?

But yes, I *TOTALLY* feel ya about cookie-cutter morons and min-maxers and "only one right way" asshats when it comes to MMOs - I took enough crap over a healer-spec Priest/Engineer on WOW to last a lifetime, despite it being wonderfully effective (Bombs for stun to buy heal time, Decoys when it gets rough, etc etc) and soloing to the level cap.

And don't get me started on winding up watching the character creation screen for almost two hours when I first started FFXI - seriously, the one for Mithra is damn near porn.



Too bad the playerbase sucks, and being a top-end White Mage is an epic pain in the arse when dealing with a forced-party system.
(And yes, I play almost exclusively healer characters, damn good at it, too.)

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, December 2, 2010 7:13 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER


Haha, gotta love the catgirls.

I play almost exclusively 'Bard' types myself. I stick to free or at least non-monthly subscription games (D&D online and guildwars lately) on account being poor/cheap and because I play sporadically. Might be on a lot for a few weeks and then not play at all for a month or so. Occasionally I'll play a healer (if I'm feeling up the challenge, being the healer is hard work!) or arcane casty type, but I love the generalist nature of most bard type classes. You can do a little of anything (though none of it especially well) and make everything everyone else does better!

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Thursday, December 2, 2010 7:43 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Everybody loves the Bard!
(unless it's Elan from Order of The Stick, heh heh)

Most MMOs these days suck, and the playerbase sucks even harder - if you DO find one you like and could use a Healer type tho, lemme know, I'm always up for it, cause I get a lot of satisfaction out of "keepin the team in the game", and I am damn good at it.

-F

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Friday, December 3, 2010 8:09 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I have lately just re-entered World of Warcraft to keep my wife company while her friend is away for the Holidays.

The game irks me constantly, and I think it is because of its lack of customization. Not only is it impossible to get the character to look the way I'd prefer, but the powersets are all pretty basic.

I play Star Trek Online, which offers better customization, but still not enough for my taste.

I want to be able to make my character look like I want, with the attributes I want, and the skills I want, in any silly combination I want.

The limitations of some of these online games are a constant irritant to me. My favorite tabletop games are the ones where I can imagine a thing in my head, and produce that thing on paper. The closer I can get to that ideal, the happier I am.

--Anthony

ETA: P.S. The Hero system tabletop game is the closest I've ever gotten to the ideal, but they do make you work for it. I've spent a week or more crafting a character in that system.


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