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Motor Trend takes on Rush

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:32 AM

NIKI2

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Limbaugh may have met his match, for a change:
Quote:

Rush Limbaugh may have met his match.

An editor from Motor Trend magazine has taken the radio talk show juggernaut to task, shredding Limbaugh after he attacked the magazine's credibility and GM's new electic car, the Chevy Volt.

The attack was fueled by comments Limbaugh made after the magazine named the Volt "Car of the Year." In a fit of Limbaughesque rancor, the editor, Todd Lassa, slammed Limbaugh personally, even going so far as to raise Limbaugh's onetime addiction to the painkiller Oxycontin.

Limbaugh attacked the car in little-noticed comments last week. "The Chevrolet Volt is the Car of the Year?" he asked. "Motor Trend magazine, that’s the end of them. How in the world do they have any credibility? Not one has been sold [and] the Volt is the Car of the Year."

Soon after, Motor Trend editor Todd Lassa went on the attack, in a blog post titled, "Rush to Judgment."

"Our credibility, Mr. Limbaugh, comes from actually driving and testing the car, and understanding its advanced technology," Lassa wrote in a blog post on the magazine's website. "It comes from driving and testing virtually every new car sold, and from doing this once a year with all the all-new or significantly improved models all at the same time. We test, make judgments and write about things we understand."

"Assuming you’ve been anywhere near the biggest automotive technological breakthrough since … I don’t know, maybe the self-starter, could you even find your way to the front seat?" he continued. "Or are you happy attacking a car that you’ve never even seen in person?

The Motor Trend editor also slammed Limbaugh for making false statements about the car.

"Last time you ranted about the Volt, you got confused about the 'range,' and said on the air that the car could be driven no more than 40 miles at a time, period," Lassa said. (In fact, the Volt can go 40 miles on its electric engine and then travel longer distances using gasoline.) "At least you stayed away from that issue this time, but you continue to attack it as the car only a tree hugging, Obama-supporting Government Motors customer would want. As radio loudmouths like you would note, none of those potential customers were to be found after November 2."

"Chevrolet has not sold one Volt because it’s not on sale yet," Lassa added. "It will not sell 10,000 this first model year (although GE plans to buy truckloads for its fleet), because it takes time to ramp up production. See, Rush, because we’re the World’s Automotive Authority, we get access to many cars before they go on sale.

Then Lassa went for the jugular.

"If you can stop shilling for your favorite political party long enough to go for a drive, you might really enjoy the Chevy Volt," Lassa concluded. "I’m sure GM would be happy to lend you one for the weekend. Just remember: driving and Oxycontin don’t mix."

Limbaugh admitted a drug addiction to the prescription painkiller Oxycontin in 2003. He confessed his addiction on his program that year and entered a 30-day rehab program.

Limbaugh has long been a critic of the Volt, which he's described as an "overpriced lemon." He's also derided the "supposed superiority complex of people who would buy electric or hybrid cars.” He once said he refused a lucrative advertising deal for the Volt's parent company, GM, because he couldn't in good conscience recommend the car.

Lassa hasn't been Limbaugh's only critic on the issue. Earlier this year, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D-MI) lambasted Limbaugh when asked by a reporter about the talk show host's attacks.

"It’s just un-American," Granholm said. "I can’t believe that somebody would say this about this American product. He hasn’t even driven it. He hasn’t sat in it. You know, why wouldn’t you be supportive of American manufacturers building American vehicles with American workers, who now have jobs as a result of this."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/motor-trend-editor-shreds-limbaugh-
attack-chevy-volt-drinking-oxycontin-mix
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You can agree or disagree about the Volt, but I got a kick out of SOMEONE fighting back against Rush, and they made good points. Given the strength of his audience and how he handles thing (as in outrageous statements which fit his ideology), it was nice to see.


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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:09 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh yes, I do remember that, and I was even more gratified by the dismissive tone she used in referring to him, seeing no need to feed the bastard by acknowledging him directly herself.

Damn imma miss that girl when she leaves office, especially since we such a sleazeball in return.

-F

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:14 PM

WHOZIT


OMG!! Fuck Motor Trend!! In 1971 Motor Trend Magazine voted the Chevy "Vega" Motor Trend car of the year, IT WAS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF SHIT EVER BUILT!! But you icky girls won't know that, cause you're girls.....ick.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:00 PM

ANTHONYT

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"But you icky girls won't know that, cause you're girls.....ick."

Hello,

Not everyone can claim to offer the same tanned, aromatic, and warm-crusted pleasure of a breakfast bagel.

I think the editor acted unprofessionally in mentioning the unrelated subject of a prior addiction. Holding the man's ignorance to task was sufficient.

--Anthony

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


What the hell is this crap about " fighting back against Rush " ??

He gave his opinion. And, as is most often the case, he's right. The 'Volt' isn't moving like the eco-nazis had 'hoped'.

The Imperial Federal Gov't seems to be the biggest buyer of these toy cars.

Shocker.

And the childish swipe at Rush's addiction to pain pills was well over the line. He must have hit pretty close to the truth, to piss Todd off that much.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:20 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"But you icky girls won't know that, cause you're girls.....ick."

Hello,

Not everyone can claim to offer the same tanned, aromatic, and warm-crusted pleasure of a breakfast bagel.

I think the editor acted unprofessionally in mentioning the unrelated subject of a prior addiction. Holding the man's ignorance to task was sufficient.

--Anthony

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Motor Trend has voted the "Volt" car of the year, THERE ARE NOT ANY ON SALE YET!! Girls are still icky and I prefer bagels with cream chesse. This is why I don't care what Motor Trend thinks.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:36 PM

KAREL

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Rush used to endorse Bose, until it came out that he was all but deaf. Now that's entertainment.


"Whatever is wrong with you is so right for me." -- Marillion.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ripping motor trend for displaying petty malice and hypocrisy - against one of the most petty, malicious and hypocritical people there is...


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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:13 PM

WHOZIT


Keith Olbermann drives a 71 Vega, and is an icky girl......and he's stupid.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:06 PM

RIGHTEOUS9




Hehe,

Anthony,

I read your posts all the time, and I swear its not the case that I usually find myself disagreeing with you. Just today.

I think that rush's oxy-cotton adddiction is absolutely fair game, not because he's an addict, but because it has never been as much a poke at his addiction as it has been at his hypocracy and his willingness to throw stones himself. He made his drug use an issue, by saying shit like this:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1159

And now he's attacking American manufacturing and techonology, and he is slandering it with bad information. I think its fair to say they have a right to hit back hard on his credibility, and should do so.




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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:15 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I simply think it's possible to tear Rush and his credibility to bloody tatters without ever bringing up so tangential a subject as his past addiction.

The issue was cars, and on that issue alone, he could be cleanly and cleverly eviscerated.

Adding a metaphorical, "Nyah, nyah, you're a drug addict and therefore a poopy head" was not related to his current folly.

--Anthony



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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:33 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Karel:
Rush used to endorse Bose, until it came out that he was all but deaf. Now that's entertainment.



Oh yeah, that's a laugh riot. Making fun of a person's physical disability. You're a real class act.

Or a child.

( And you clearly are displaying a complete lack of understanding at advertising, along w/ your tacky sense of humor )


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 25, 2010 7:05 AM

NIKI2

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oh, my (wipes tears), I find this hysterical. ALL the righty trolls (and Anthony) can't keep themselves from defending that sleaze bag by trashing Motor Trend.

Lessee. Anthony:
Quote:

"Daddy...daddy..." Remember that?

"It was Negroes that brought Ted Kennedy his booze."

"We need segregated buses."

"Lindsey Graham is certainly close enough to [McCain] to die of anal poisoning."

"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back." (to a female, African-American caller)

"Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting" (of Michael J. Fox)

"I thought it was a Secret Service agent, maybe a shoeshine guy." (of the Mayor of Los Angeles)

Just a few teeeny example of the "class" that racist bastard shows...and he should be treated with dignity??? Sorry; no sale here!

ETA: Welcome Karel, don't think I've met you before.


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Thursday, November 25, 2010 7:17 AM

ANTHONYT

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"Just a few teeeny example of the "class" that racist bastard shows...and he should be treated with dignity???"

Hello,

I try. TRY. To treat everyone with dignity.

--Anthony

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Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:41 AM

KAREL

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Karel:
Rush used to endorse Bose, until it came out that he was all but deaf. Now that's entertainment.



Oh yeah, that's a laugh riot. Making fun of a person's physical disability. You're a real class act.

Or a child.

( And you clearly are displaying a complete lack of understanding at advertising, along w/ your tacky sense of humor )

I do not make fun of his inability to hear. It is that if I were deaf, my conscience would not let me endorse an audio product. When it came out that he was deaf, he and the sponsor went their separate ways. Both somewhat richer. I get it.

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Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:55 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

In all fairness to deaf people, they do appreciate quality audio systems. Mostly for the bass.

--Anthony

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Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:01 AM

NIKI2

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Quote:

Adding a metaphorical, "Nyah, nyah, you're a drug addict and therefore a poopy head" was not related to his current folly.
I didn't read it as that at all. I read it as a "snark".

MY remark was mrely that he has said so many truly ugly things to and about others, that I don't think there's anything particularly wrong in someone "snarking" at him. For him to say Michael J. Fox was faking it kind of, in my opinion, leaves him open to others remarking on his own "disability", as it were.

He's gone further than that by far, with his little skit on Obama's daughter; as far as I'm concerned, he deserves no respect from me. It wasn't about what YOU would do, it was a counter to your condemnation of another for doing it.

Something seems really "off" right now, Anthony--I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you seem to be posting more aggressively than usual. I don't know if there's something going on for you or if you've just decided to be more combattive since you came back, or I'm just imagining it, you just "feel" different to me.


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Thursday, November 25, 2010 11:08 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Niki,

I want you to find all my posts in this thread. I want you to read them one by one.

I want you to tell me where I was 'off' or otherwise aggressive. This is the second time in two threads where you have suggested this of me, and I need to see what you are seeing.

--Anthony



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Thursday, November 25, 2010 11:34 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Not everyone can claim to offer the same tanned, aromatic, and warm-crusted pleasure of a breakfast bagel.

ROFLMAO!!! That was a goooood one.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Thursday, November 25, 2010 12:03 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Something seems really "off" right now, Anthony--I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you seem to be posting more aggressively than usual. I don't know if there's something going on for you or if you've just decided to be more combattive since you came back, or I'm just imagining it, you just "feel" different to me.

There is nothing "off" with Anthony. Nothing he has said has been aggressive or combative. He always, very politely, states his firm position.

On one thread, he sticks to his firm position that it is wrong to steal. On this thread, he sticks to his firm position that Rush's past addiction is irrelevant to his opinions on cars. He said (in my interpretation) the Motor Trend editor could have held an even higher moral ground had he not "snarked" about the addiction and attacked the man personally. That's his opinion. Is he not allowed to say it without being accused of defending Rush or being combative?

Anthony and I had a slight disagreement in the Parenting without Force thread. He stated his opinions of the definition and application of "violence." I stated mine. He said he could not agree with me. I FELT like he was aggressively pushing me to capitulate. When I read his words carefully, he absolutely said no such thing. He just said he disagreed with me. The "aggression" I FELT came from realizing his argument was stronger than mine. If I were to be honest with myself on that point, I would have to concede.

My response? "You made me....[concede]." But really, he did no such thing. He made an argument defending his beliefs. My commitment to some semblance of logic made me to concede, not him.

All I can say, Anthony, is that when they start to accuse you of shit, sometimes, just sometimes, it is just an emotional reaction against your stronger argument.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Thursday, November 25, 2010 2:05 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Karel:I do not make fun of his inability to hear. It is that if I were deaf, my conscience would not let me endorse an audio product. When it came out that he was deaf, he and the sponsor went their separate ways. Both somewhat richer. I get it.


Rush has been on the air for 20+ years. He's had all sorts of sponsors come and go, during that time. I get the ' it's only business' choice by Bose or anyone else who choses to use Rush as a sponsor.

I had forgotten that he ever did any ads for Bose, to be honest. I bought their noise reduction head phones because I wanted them, not because anyone told me to.

If I misread your point, then I apologize.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 26, 2010 8:04 AM

NIKI2

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I didn't "accuse you of shit". I didn't ACCUSE you of anything. I should have caveated even FURTHER by saying "it seems to me" as many times as I could...I did quite clearly write "or I could just be imagining it". I'm merely stating how Anthony is coming caross to me, and that it "feels" different from how he was when he went away. That's an impression; maybe it's just mine, I just felt badly about what I perceived and was wondering if there might be a reason, if what I was perceiving was accurate.

For me, it's not about the stronger argument at all. The two threads that coalesced my feeling that something was different, I've felt perfectly comfortable with my positions and that the arguments on both sides have had merit. Perhaps it's that I'm feeling like there's some judgmentalism there, or just a stronger stance, I can't put my finger on it.

Anthony, your reply was an example for me:
Quote:

I want you to find all my posts in this thread. I want you to read them one by one.

I want you to tell me where I was 'off' or otherwise aggressive. This is the second time in two threads where you have suggested this of me, and I need to see what you are seeing.

You say you need to see, but the WORDING comes across as confrontational. "I want you to..." It FEELS to me like a command...I can't explain it clearly--head's not doing too good today and maybe even if I was 100% I couldn't, it's a subtle thing. I said I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, as well as that it might be my imagination, and if you'd said "could you show me..." or something, it would have felt more like the "old" Anthony. To me. Just to me.

I've liked and admired you so much for so long, kept encouraging you to come back, and felt like I "knew" you better than I know many here, that's why it struck me. It was the "nyah, nyah" remark which struck me as diffent from what I would have expected from you.

I certainly never accused you of "shit", nor would I. I was asking a question about something which concerned me, nothing more.


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Friday, November 26, 2010 9:41 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Niki,

You are right that saying "I want you to" suggests a command. While I did want you to, I did not want to order you to. For that, I am sorry.

The 'nyah nyah' translation of the editor's remarks was designed to illustrate how unprofessional and inappropriate I considered the remark to be.

Niki, when people argue with you on any topic, I will often see them assemble a litany of unrelated items to assail you with. Items completely inappropriate to the argument at hand.

They may bring up your age, your sex, your drug use, your personal associations, and items of your personal history. None of these things relate to the argument at hand. They are items used when logic fails, facts fall short, and an audience is meant to be moved by emotion rather than reason.

As lamentable as these techniques are in the format of a forum such as this, they are doubly so when used by a professional defending their business. The editor was immature and unprofessional in raising the spectre of Rush's drug addiction. It weakened an argument that should have been strong, and generated sympathy for a man who was in the wrong.

Back to the topic of my aggression or combativeness, I strive constantly to treat people with respect and civility. Your suggestion that I have lacked this quality is very serious to me.

--Anthony

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Friday, November 26, 2010 9:50 AM

NIKI2

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Anthony, at no time did I say you didn't treat people with respect and civility, nor would I. It was just something I mentioned, I probably should have e-mailed you so we could work out that it's not a big thing, just a wondering on my part. I went to the other, longer thread which first made me aware of what I was first aware of in the "rich get richer" thread, and then in this one. So I went through that one to find the examples you asked for; I hope that's what you wanted.

As to your statement on the unprofessionality of Motor Trend's writer, it wasn't your point, I recognize that and accept it (tho' obviously from what I posted I feel otherwise), it was your choice of words and the sense of judgmentalism. That's what's stood out to me; you make very valid points and make them well, it's just seemed recently that the words you choose to express yourself SOMETIMES were unlike what I was used to from you. Nothing more.

Oh, rereading, you said precisely what I felt about the "nyah nyha" remark:
Quote:

They are items used when logic fails, facts fall short, and an audience is meant to be moved by emotion rather than reason.
THERE you go, you got it for me...I've felt that the wording you've chosen in some cases appeals more to emotion than logic, and you've always been so carefully logical, that this seemed unlike you. You had eloquently made your (very valid in its respect) point, that just seemed extraneous and an emotional judgment.

Everything else you said up to that point seemed logical, then that remark was jarring, coming from you. Does that help at all?

ETA: NO apology is necessary or was looked for; it was an example, as you requested. Compared to just about anyone else here, you stand out as consistently fair and civil. I was just looking for examples of what caused me to get the impression I did, I certainly knew it wasn't a command, especially coming from you!


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Friday, November 26, 2010 10:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


My opinion, by the way, was that holding someone from a magazine SO responsible for a snark is kind of unfair, especially given the extreme language Limbaugh used to vilify them. I happen to think they had every reason to give him a shot or two; he had dissed their actions in a most ugly fashion, including personal attacks on their character. Reminding him that he's not so perfect either was mild, in comparion, and I think they had the right to put him down. To me, it's not a matter of them trying to make an argument, merely to respond to his maligning their "product", if you will. I don't hold everyone to the highest sense of dignity, I think a bit more proportionately, I guess you'd say.


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Friday, November 26, 2010 10:08 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Niki,

The 'Nyah Nyah' remark was meant to paint a picture, a demonstration of what the words consisted of. That they appeared to be emotional and not logical was intentional, as they were intended to reflect a translation of the editor's intent.

I have recently been using more illustrative language, words designed to create imagery in the mind (in the case of my comment about the editor, a playground protagonist of the kindergarten vintage) and wonder if that has caused my posts to seem more inflammatory and less logical.

--Anthony

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Friday, November 26, 2010 10:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's quite possible, and might explain it, thank you. If you think about it, "imagery" is more emotional, as opposed to a logical argument. That might well be why it seemed jarring compared to your usual style. Thank you, that could well be the answer; and that's by NO way saying you should do otherwise in any way, let me be clear!

It's no biggie, really, Anthony, just a perception and not of any importance in and of itself. You are still the most civil person here, and none of that has changed.


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