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G***amn Liberals!

POSTED BY: KWICKO
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Monday, August 30, 2010 8:01 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



From Thom Hartmann...

Quote:

"A Day in the Life of Joe, a Middle-Class Republican"

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.



I have to interrupt here, to note that the only reason Joe even gets a lunch break at all is because some lousy liberal union members fought for lunch breaks and other breaks in the workday. And it's those same lousy liberals who are to blame for poor ol' Joe only having to work an 8-hour day and a 40-hour week.

Quote:


Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, "We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".




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Monday, August 30, 2010 8:29 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


I don't doubt there's a similar list somewhere for conservatives written by conservatives "Jim is living in a free country because some conservative ya ya blah blah..." as long as the debate is "we're better than they are" we're all screwed.

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Monday, August 30, 2010 8:32 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Liberals have taken America to this point....


No Con could ever have put that together!







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Monday, August 30, 2010 9:13 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I don't doubt there's a similar list somewhere for conservatives written by conservatives "Jim is living in a free country because some conservative ya ya blah blah..."



Maybe, but it'd have to be pretty repetitive. Every statement would have to be "because we went to war".

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, August 30, 2010 9:23 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


What the fuck does Lady Gaga have to do with conservatism vs. liberalism, and more specifically what does she have to do with what Kwicko is talking about? That's the lamest retort I've seen around here in a long time.






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Monday, August 30, 2010 9:29 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I have to interrupt here, to note that the only reason Joe even gets a lunch break at all is because some lousy liberal union members fought for lunch breaks and other breaks in the workday. And it's those same lousy liberals who are to blame for poor ol' Joe only having to work an 8-hour day and a 40-hour week.


Not just "liberals", but outright Anarchists and downright Socialists - they bled and died for it, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

And the fucking "conservatives" have handed it right back to the corpies with a servile little smile as most corps now pay a 40-hour "salary" and then demand 60+ hour work weeks under threat of termination, and collude to the point where getting a better deal on that is impossible.

And don't even get me started on modern fuckin "unions" built out of the corporate-sponsored, employee-pacification-ritual which was the AFL-CIO thanks in great part to that fuckhead Gompers rolling over like a bitch for a cushy cabinet job, cause the IWW had this idea that if handing their ass to the corporations to use and abuse for next to free was bad, handing it to Gov and it's army for even less was WORSE...

Most of your modern-day "unions" were actually the bad guys, extensions of corporate power under the fig leaf of workers rights.
http://www.lucyparsonsproject.org/iww/kornbluh_bread_roses.html
http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=488&issue=120
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Gompers

Read their remarks on race and compare to the IWW, and ponder which side of that YOU woulda been on ?

Most political movements of any kind tend to start trading vital parts of their ideology for power, or devolve into a fanaticism that makes them naught more than a proxy weapon (MADD, for example, is guilty of this) and for a fact once you start takin their money, you wind up taking their orders.

But conversely, if you DON'T play that game, if you stick to your guns against all adversity, as the IWW and the Spanish Catalonians learned to their peril, you become a threat to EVERYONE who does - and will face the wrath of all.

And yet, we're still here, are we not ?

-Frem

PS. Between the IWW members manning the counter, and the heat-packing customers, even in some of the very worst neighborhoods here in MI, Starbucks is now an oasis of safety, which has lead to more than one incident where someone has taken REFUGE in one till the police arrive to sort it all out.

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Monday, August 30, 2010 10:52 AM

TRAVELER

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Monday, August 30, 2010 11:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'd like to see the one for conservatives, it would be interesting.

I also don't happen to believe liberals were exclusively responsible for all that stuff, so I'll just let it be with that statement.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, August 30, 2010 11:39 AM

PENGUIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I don't doubt there's a similar list somewhere for conservatives written by conservatives "Jim is living in a free country because some conservative ya ya blah blah..."



Maybe, but it'd have to be pretty repetitive. Every statement would have to be "because we went to war".



And don't forget "Tax cuts for the rich"!





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Monday, August 30, 2010 12:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ah yes, good ole sewer socialism...

Actually Traveller, that link also contains a perfect example of how fixed, how fake, american politics is, was, and has always been.

Victor L Berger won that election, straight up, and as always when the rules become inconvenient for the powers that be, they ignored them - refused to seat him, then called for a special election, and he won THAT too, so they declared the seat vacant.

Can you imagine any real legitimacy to a so-called democracy when the ruling elite can say "We don't like the candidate you elected, fuck you, pick someone else." and GET AWAY WITH THAT ?

It makes a joke of the whole process, just bread and circuses, cause if we ever did elect a real third party or reform candidate who wasn't pre-approved by the ruling oligarchy, it'd be the same damn thing all over again.

Hell, it happens all the time still, they just do it via the ballot registration process and whatnot, preventing them from ever getting on the ballot in the first place - and many places, some of the local townships here in fact, now have a policy of automatically DISCARDING write-in votes, uncounted.

Berger isn't the only one they refused to seat, either, so it's not like that was a fluke.

So what's left if/when that situation comes up again, installing the candidate by force or threat of force ?
Not good for democracy that either, sets a damn bad example.

I got some ideas on that, but I am out of time, and not entirely sure I wanna pull the cover off an unfinished product just yet, mind...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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