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POSTED BY: KANEMAN
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Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:04 AM

KANEMAN


I notice that the left uses tolerance as if it is a noble trait. What is noble about tolerating the intolerable. When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost? Seems a waste of time and a way to get bowled over.

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Tolerance makes it possible for people to communicate. That's all we do here.

If you're speaking of tolerance in the bigger world, it's still a good thing. There is no reason people cannot disagree in what they believe without hating one another.

The comparison with children and employees doesn't work for me. Children need to learn how to behave in society, and if they act out it is the parents' job to help them learn otherwise. Employees acting out are EMPLOYEES, that means they have an unspoken contract with their employers to behave in a civil manner.

I don't think anyone here "tolerates" what they view as wrong things done by politicians, etc., whom we discuss. We speak our minds, and when we think something is wrong, we voice our lack of tolerance for same. But in reality we have no option BUT to speak our minds, we can't actually effect any change in that which we view as wrong.

There is no cost for tolerance unless you believe it's a game and you're scoring "points", which you're not, or else you're so insecure you can't handle disagreement, in which case you would probably feel "less than" if you weren't able to one-up the other person. The gain is being able to communicate, learn and express one's opinions without starting a flame war.

As to tolerating what you say here and the way in which you say it, why should we tolerate it without speaking up or ignoring you? You engage in the worst conceivable form of INtolerance toward others, and contribute little to the discusion, if anything, except to come in and attack others.

Whereas I have been accused of being nasty to anyone I disagree with, the truth is you and those like you have been ugly to anyone who disagrees with you, even the most peaceful among us...I noted the quick reversal of one of you against Anthony merely because he disagreed. That kind of intolerance is reprehensible and inexcusable. Your consistent vicious attacks on me merely reflect an ugliness on your part which appears as little more than a desire for attention, even if it is only negative.

Contribute to the discussion, and you will be treated with decency by 99% of the people here; do nothing but come here to be ugly, you will be ignored or attacked back, unfortunately, which only prolongs the ugliness.

I hope that answers your questions.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:35 AM

KANEMAN


Well, let's talk about the cost of tolerance. You do not believe there is a cost. I believe there is a cost to society when we tolerate things that are destructive be it religious tolerance, tolerance of life style, tolerance to what is broadcast on our airwaves, tolerance to governmental intrusion. I think our society is in a moral decline all in the name of tolerance. Should the boy scouts be able to deny a gay troop leader if they want or should they be forced by the government to tolerate it even though it goes against what the believe as an organization. And is there a cost in that forced tolerance. I believe that San Fransicko() is a perfect example of the cost of tolerance. It has become mars....just one person's opinion.

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Should we tolerate you?

Quote:

I believe there is a cost to society when we tolerate things that are destructive be it religious tolerance, tolerance of life style, tolerance to what is broadcast on our airwaves, tolerance to governmental intrusion.


By your own words, you're the "cost" of tolerance.

You seem to be endorsing only being "tolerant" of people who look, act, think, and believe exactly as you do. You are advocating a totalitarian, over-reaching society in your intolerance of any form of dissent.

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:02 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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What is noble about tolerating the intolerable. When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them.

The first thing I would say is that tolerating something doesn't necessarily mean that that something is 'wrong' - it means it's something we're not particularly comfortable with. So sometimes it's just about understanding that people can be different, and accepting that - like in your homophobia example.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:08 AM

WHOZIT


FUCK TOLERANCE! I've had it you libs! You're in power and your STILL not happy! In Noverber I will LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN when us rightys take back the House!

Then I will fuck a Bagel, looking forward to it. By the way when have you libs shown even a little bit of TOLERANCE for Palin? Hasn't she been beaten enough?

Biden has;

Hair plugs

A face full of "Botox"

Bleached teeth

A fake tan

Trash him.......but you won't, so I will

Also, Barry has jug ears and likes hot sweaty man sex!

Those arn't boobs, they're lies! - Stewie Griffin

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What KPO and Mike said. Your complaint was about
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religious tolerance, tolerance of life style, tolerance to what is broadcast on our airwaves, tolerance to governmental intrusion
Why you think those things should not be tolerated is, I assume, because YOU don't tolerate them. What about the rest of the people in this country? That's what you don't seem to grasp, is that it's not just what YOU think should be tolerated. I, for example, have no problem with any of those things, so why should YOU decide what I can tolerate?

As KPO said, it's not about tolerance if what we're asked to tolerate is uncomfortable to US alone. Which religion has the right to "tolerate" another, and what are we supposed to do to NOT tolerate them? Make them illegal?

Which life style, broadcast, governmental intrusion should not be tolerated, and who decides that, and what do we do about NOT tolerating them? Make life styles different from yours illegal? Make TV stations or what's said on the airwaves that make YOU uncomfortable should we all be denied? Government intrusion includes the ending of slavery, the Civil Rights Act...do we do away with those because YOU don't believe in governmental intrusion?

Do you start to see the problem? It's about who makes the decisions on what's tolerable and what's not, it's not about how each of us individually FEELS.

And lastly, have you lived in San Francisco? If you haven't, how do you make the determination that our tolerance has "cost" us, made us "Mars"? I guarantee the city just below where I live isn't Mars, I worked there most of my adult life and I can say that those of us in the Bay Area are by far proud of our tolerance, it has made for a very varied, interesting place and I wouldn't have it otherwise...especially as the kind of intolerance you want would be horrible to me and everyone I know.

So I reject your position and I might add that I think you're a rather intolerant person, and the cost to you is far heavier than you realize or than you believe the cost of tolerance is to the rest of us.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:30 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
What KPO and Mike said. Your complaint was about
Quote:

religious tolerance, tolerance of life style, tolerance to what is broadcast on our airwaves, tolerance to governmental intrusion
Why you think those things should not be tolerated is, I assume, because YOU don't tolerate them. What about the rest of the people in this country? That's what you don't seem to grasp, is that it's not just what YOU think should be tolerated. I, for example, have no problem with any of those things, so why should YOU decide what I can tolerate?

As KPO said, it's not about tolerance if what we're asked to tolerate is uncomfortable to US alone. Which religion has the right to "tolerate" another, and what are we supposed to do to NOT tolerate them? Make them illegal?

Which life style, broadcast, governmental intrusion should not be tolerated, and who decides that, and what do we do about NOT tolerating them? Make life styles different from yours illegal? Make TV stations or what's said on the airwaves that make YOU uncomfortable should we all be denied? Government intrusion includes the ending of slavery, the Civil Rights Act...do we do away with those because YOU don't believe in governmental intrusion?

Do you start to see the problem? It's about who makes the decisions on what's tolerable and what's not, it's not about how each of us individually FEELS.

And lastly, have you lived in San Francisco? If you haven't, how do you make the determination that our tolerance has "cost" us, made us "Mars"? I guarantee the city just below where I live isn't Mars, I worked there most of my adult life and I can say that those of us in the Bay Area are by far proud of our tolerance, it has made for a very varied, interesting place and I wouldn't have it otherwise...especially as the kind of intolerance you want would be horrible to me and everyone I know.

So I reject your position and I might add that I think you're a rather intolerant person, and the cost to you is far heavier than you realize or than you believe the cost of tolerance is to the rest of us.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




It's 4:27 EST when I read this, you should be cleaning oil off pelicans and fat bathers! Are you really in the Gulf, or a New Orleans motel with a male stripper?

Those arn't boobs, they're lies! - Stewie Griffin

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Your ocmment has nothing to do with "Help me out on this one". However, for your edification, here is a bit of an argument against INtolerance:

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2011978_2179331,00.html


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 AM

WISHIMAY


This is the third or fourth time I have seen this thread topic since 2005.

De ja vomit...

Ya know, Niki, some things broke can't be fixed!

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:38 AM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
I notice that the left uses tolerance as if it is a noble trait. What is noble about tolerating the intolerable. When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost? Seems a waste of time and a way to get bowled over.

First of all, I think you need to understand that one cannot be tolerant from a position of weakness. Tolerance is born of strength--self-respect and self-assurance grounded in self-knowledge. If you feel threatened by someone, you're not in a position to tolerate them.

As an example. I'm trained in kung fu. So, if your average drunk takes a swing at me, I don't feel threatened. I don't feel invulnerable, he could still get a lucky shot in, but I'm confident that I'll prolly avoid anything serious. I have the choice to tolerate him or not, move out of the way, perhaps make a helpful suggestion, "Watch it, buddy," if worse comes to worse, deftly deposit him on his ass before he knows what happened--or I could beat the shit out of him. My choice. Tolerance is always a choice. So, even though he's aggressing toward me, means to do me harm, I can tolerate him depending on how much of a practical threat he is. My ability to tolerate him is dependent on our relative strengths. My tolerance decreases the amount of violence in the world, because my strength gives me other options than brute violence--and here's the kicker--I choose the non-violent options!

I've known a lot of drunks in my life (family) so I understand how confused and fearful drunks can be. So, another aspect of tolerance, is compassion. Even if someone intends me harm in the moment, I may have enough compassion to know that they don't really know what they're doing, they're really endangering themselves more than anything.

Now, before I had any training in kung fu, I would have had only two choices, fight or flight and I could have been at great risk in the fight. I was a lot less tolerant of drunks because of it. They scared me, really scared me (family). Not because I lacked compassion, but because I lacked the strength and self-assurance that makes tolerance possible.

This, I believe, is where you and I part ways: you assess a vastly higher threat from certain kinds of people than I do. In fact, you will assess a threat BASED WHOLLY on what "kind" of person someone is. You base this threat not on their individual actions, but on the actions of people "like" them. And you lack the compassion to see things from their point of view--to see them as individuals--which only increases their perceived homogeneous threat to you. The less compassion one has, the more threatening other human beings become.

I agree with you that religion is trouble, can be a serious problem, but does it threaten me? Not particularly, not specifically. If the right wing fundamentalists in this country had sufficient power, they would be very dangerous--but they don't, so they aren't. I can tolerate them. Gayness? A threat to me? Not in the least--not ever. Tolerance doesn't even come into it 'cause they represent zero threat to me and mine. Islam a threat to me? Of course not. Do they have some effed up ideas--you betcha--but fundies of all faiths have pretty effed up--and, indeed, violent--ideas about everything. A lot of fundies like the idea of war, f'rinstance (not all), even when their holy books look down on that particular insanity.

I don't think BEING Muslim predisposes one toward violence, however, anymore than being a bible-thumper does. I base this on experience, history, and compassion for the Muslims and devout Christians I have known (I work with a Muslim, btw--wears the veil and everything, sets up her prayer rug in the dry storage--she's got some seriously effed up ideas about gays and women, but for all that she's one of the most mature and reliable people at the job).

Before 9/11 America was strong, but we thought we were invulnerable as well. Turns out, we really didn't know the difference. And that's the key, we mistook our strength for invulnerability. Then the towers came down and we suddenly were vulnerable and half the country lost all faith in American strength (no, no, the other half--YOUR half).

Back to my drunk analogy, I'm not invulnerable to drunken violence. But if I were to get punched in the eye by a drunk, I would not automatically run out and buy a gun. I would recognize that there are risks in life, but I would be confident that I could meet the challenge next time. You folks have no such confidence in America and that's sad.

(If you're not into conspiracies, you have to admit that the 9/11 attacks were the biggest fluke, incredibly lucky. So many ways they could have failed. I don't know why you folks think it could happen again next week. They had to plan that thing for years and years--why you don't recognize that they shot their wad with 9/11 I'll never understand. But I digress.)

The Bill of Rights is one of America's great strengths as a nation and it is a great vulnerability as well. Life in America would be a lot "safer" if we got rid of the Bill of Rights. But invulnerability is not a strength, it is a grave weakness, mainly because it makes folk complacent.

We Americans grant everyone freedom of religion, it is one of our most fundamental values. It's a vulnerability and a strength. Either we are strong enough to allow Muslims to build a community center in lower Manhattan or we are too weak to risk it. And that's the thing y'all have lost since the towers fell. When we let "the enemy" build in NYC we send a message to the world that we will not be shaken, will not be cowed into forsaking our most cherished beliefs. Building an Islamic Center isn't the miserable extremist's victory over us, it is our victory--a victory for the American way.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:38 AM

MINCINGBEAST


In response to the profusion of solemn, TLDR:

Tolerance is weakness masquerading as virtue.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:49 AM

HKCAVALIER


TLDR? Or TLDEBTRTFS (too long, didn't even bother to read the first sentence)?

And don'tcha mean ignorance is strength, Mince?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:53 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


HK we don't always agree 100% but I like your style. Your posts are quite a rare exception in that I see them and say "Oh good a long one". Length of posts doesn't usually excite me.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:57 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Your posts are clever and well-written. This is a vice. Produce more inflammatory soundbites and snappy one liners.

War is peace.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:07 PM

HKCAVALIER


And your posts are clever and poorly written. I guess half a vice is better than none.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
I notice that the left uses tolerance as if it is a noble trait. What is noble about tolerating the intolerable. When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost? Seems a waste of time and a way to get bowled over.



It's tolerance for difference, not tolerance for bad behaviour. I consider myself left and I abhor your online, nasty behaviour. I don't like your behaviour, but I get that you have different views that you have a right to express.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:27 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
HK we don't always agree 100% but I like your style. Your posts are quite a rare exception in that I see them and say "Oh good a long one". Length of posts doesn't usually excite me.

Thanks KPO. I break that unwritten law of the internet with most of my posts--glad the risks I take do not go unappreciated.

I too appreciate your contribution to this board, though sometimes I disagree with you. I consider the diversity of the RWED one of its greatest strengths, even though it leaves us vulnerable to the few trolls who try to destroy it. Just let 'em try.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:29 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
If you feel threatened by someone, you're not in a position to tolerate them.


Which is where my absolute hostility towards protofascist mighty-whitey-righty zealots and their despicable beliefs comes from.

Not only are they a threat to me and all I hold dear, they announce it endlessly and have shown via the past administration, which they wholeheartedly supported, despite cowardly denials (if anything they base those denials on it not going far enough into the realms of murderous insanity for em) that they and all their screaming, howling, hating, likeminded breathren do pose a substantial and immediate threat - unlike some pack of shit-talking yahoos three thousand miles away who can't even afford the means to GET here.

Therefore lemme explain this is terms even Kaneywaney can understand.

That very tolerance you decry so much is the reason folks like you are still suckin air instead of lying in a ditch with their throat slit by someone like me.

Now, with that thought clearly, firmly, in mind...

By all means, please do continue telling us all how tolerance is such a horrible thing and we should dispense with it, I'll even make the popcorn.


-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:10 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

That very tolerance you decry so much is the reason folks like you are still suckin air instead of lying in a ditch with their throat slit by someone like me.


Have a lot of experience slitting throats there Sparky? Do you prefer going left to right, or right ot left with your blade?

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Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Well that depends on which hand you're using, of course, although since most people are right handed, that would be a left to right from over your intended victims right shoulder.
Using a proper deep-six approach, with the off-hand slapped over their chops to minimize the racket, the quick left-right zipper cut is the way to go, since combined with a heel pivot and quick shove one can avoid having too much trouble with those pesky bloodstains on your threads, not to mention avoiding getting caught up in the obligatory bit of flailing and thrashing.
(ice cold water and hydogren peroxide diluted with saline solution works wonders on such stains, mind.)
Also avoid if possible using a thin, sharp blade since they tend to cut shallower and doing the job right the first time is very important, therefore the optimum tool for the job is a carpet knife for the best combination of angle and penetration.

-Frem

PS. Yes, I'm kidding, but since you felt the pressing need to ask...

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Monday, August 23, 2010 2:50 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act?


Fictional President Andy Shepherd said it best -"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

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Monday, August 23, 2010 6:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


All hail JS, for giving us the definitive statement of what America SHOULD BE and why tolerance is not just important, but VITA to a healthy society. It's a shame we're not one, by and large, at the current time.

Thank you, Mincing and Cav, for my first grin of the morning with your back-and-forth. But I disagree with Mincing completely that tolerance is weakness. I firmly believe tolerance comes from STRENGTH; intolerance from FEAR.

WishIMay, yes, I know, sadly. But I speak my peace anyway, and perhaps it helps some people understand the facts; I have no expectation whatsoever of those with already-firmly-closed minds being able to even grasp the facts, much less accept them. I just put them out there. Doesn't take much time, is an education for me in itself, and may or may not be appreciated by others. I enjoy searching out facts, so it gives me enjoyment, satisfaction and education. That makes it worth it, and it's easy to ignore the you see which makes you want to ...

I noted that a couple of people spoke up against the trolls here and the idiocy they put up. I found that a positive and I agree with everything they said. Oh, for a discussion lacking in obscenities by the weak, the frightened, the close-minded who cannot engage and can only TRULY "spew", which isn't what Wish did, to my way of thinking. Such is life.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, August 23, 2010 9:12 AM

MINCINGBEAST


I too disagree that tolerance is weakness masquerading as a virtue; it is actually masochism masquerading as a virtue. Why do people fetishize their ability to put up with things they do not like? Because they are perverts, obviously.

Also, I can make a tenable argument that ignorance is strength. Warning: TLDR.

Consider the narrow world view of a terrorist, who knows just enough to die for what he knows. Their fanaticism, fostered ignorance, makes them strong; like the charming Operative, they believe hard.

Contrast with a femmy grad student, who knows so much that he is unable to make a decision, or take a position, without endless qualifiers and caveats. He believes in charming relativism, and only weakly.

Who triumphs over the other?

So, get ignorant and callous. Its the way of the future.

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Monday, August 23, 2010 9:19 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
I too disagree that tolerance is weakness masquerading as a virtue; it is actually masochism masquerading as a virtue. Why do people fetishize their ability to put up with things they do not like? Because they are perverts, obviously.


Tolerance, like all virtues, has its place. For example, traffic. Waiting for the light to change is annoying and frustrating. But we tolerate it because the rules of the road allow for the orderly flow of traffic in a safe manner. If instead of a stop light we were forced to sit in our car and watch the murder of helpless Jews...that would be intolerable and we'd be justifying in taking action.

Another example...lawnmowers. Tolerate your neighbor mowing his lawn at 8am on Saturday, your only frakking day to sleep in. Don't tolerate your neighbor beating his children to death on his front lawn...regardless of the time of day.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I find those statements amazing. I said I found your remarks 'amazing'" Niki2, 2010.

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Monday, August 23, 2010 9:33 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Don't tolerate your neighbor beating his children to death on his front lawn...regardless of the time of day.



But what if the beating is an expression of a rich and storied culture, and rooted in traditional practices? Can I tolerate it then?

Tolerance is no virtue, but rather a vice, roughly on par with crack hunger or gambling.

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Monday, August 23, 2010 9:56 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Don't tolerate your neighbor beating his children to death on his front lawn...regardless of the time of day.



But what if the beating is an expression of a rich and storied culture, and rooted in traditional practices? Can I tolerate it then?

Tolerance is no virtue, but rather a vice, roughly on par with crack hunger or gambling.



It is all a matter of degree. I choose to tolerate nothing. Not at home, not at work, not in politics, and never here. I believe that the world revolves around me. Yes I am Kaneman-centric. I have become even more Kaneman-centric since i huffed Minces waste recipe.....I love you for that, it has changed my life. I did add dead gold fish to the mix.....

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Monday, August 23, 2010 3:17 PM

MINCINGBEAST


Kane, I told you that jenkem would change your life. Now you believe me. I always have a big hit of jenkem before logging on to RWED. It grants me clarity. After huffing my own fermented methane, nothing can bring me down. I'm already bottomed out, and fearless.

Anyone unfortunate enough to read this thread ought to experiment with Jenkem. But don't take my word for it.

Quote:

In the book Children of AIDS: Africa's Orphan Crisis by Emma Guest, the making of Jenkem is described: "fermented human sewage, scraped from pipes and stored in plastic bags for a week or so, until it gives off numbing, intoxicating fumes." [7] The process is similarly described in the 1995 IPS report: "Human excreta is scooped up from the edges of the sewer ponds in old cans and containers which are covered with a polyethylene bag and left to stew or ferment for a week."[2]. The 1999 BBC article refers to "the dark brown sludge, gathering up fistfuls and stuffing it into small plastic bottles. They tap the bottles on the ground, taking care to leave enough room for methane to form at the top."[1]

The general concerns related to "huffing" and hallucinogenic drugs apply to Jenkem usage. The possibility of fecal-oral contamination due to unhygienic conditions during Jenkem manufacturing, which could lead to diarrhea and other gastrointestinal infections, must also be considered. Dr. Fumito Ichinose, an anesthesia specialist in Boston who conducted a study on the effects of hydrogen sulfide gas, or "sewer gas," on mice, informed Salon.com that "the inhalation of gases like those produced from Jenkem could result in hypoxia, a lack of oxygen flow to the body that could be alternately euphoric and physically dangerous."[3]

The effects of Jenkem inhalation last for around an hour and consist of auditory and visual hallucinations.[1] In 1995, a fifth-grader in Lusaka said of Jenkem to a reporter from IPS, an independent wire service, "Old man, this is more potent than cannabis."[2] In a BBC report four years later, 16-year-old Luke Mpande stated his preference for Jenkem over other inhalants, "With glue, I just hear voices in my head. But with Jenkem, I see visions. I see my mother who is dead and I forget about the problems in my life." Many young teens highly prefer the use of jenkem over other forms of drugs. The simplicity of making it is a factor along with the effects it has on one's brain...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem

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Monday, August 23, 2010 3:32 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost?



Unless you're their daddy or their boss, you have no place correcting anyone.

Unless you too are willing to be "corrected" by others who see your behavior as unacceptable.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:44 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost?



Unless you're their daddy or their boss, you have no place correcting anyone.

Unless you too are willing to be "corrected" by others who see your behavior as unacceptable.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."




I think you need to take a puff of Mince's jenkem and relax a bit. I do the correcting, see I am an Alpha male. I will spank you before I tolerate you. So pipe down and go sit in your room, I don't want to hear another peep out of you.

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Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:58 AM

STORYMARK


I'm sorry, did you say something? I can't seem to be bothered to care.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Unless you're their daddy or their boss, you have no place correcting anyone.
Story, sorry I missed that one, it's right on point. Who has the right to tolerate or not tolerate what? In the case of parents/employers, it is their right to not tolerate what they believe is wrong in those either for whom they are responsible or with whom they have made a contract for civil behavior. It's nobody else's business.

I can't believe how easily the fact that WHO makes the rules about what we should and shouldn't tolerate should be. Do people really believe that what THEY find intolerable, be it race, homosexuality, religion, etc., should not be tolerated because it bothers THEM? That's weird.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
This is the third or fourth time I have seen this thread topic since 2005.

De ja vomit...

Ya know, Niki, some things broke can't be fixed!




Weird, since you've only been here since 8/15/2010... ;)

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:28 PM

WISHIMAY


So, angry(est) man, you thinkin' you know something?

You may be right...

However, I did say in another thread, Imma sockpuppet! Not a good one either... However, I will say I was forced into it by an evil 'net provider company.

Penny for the smart, uh, dude!

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Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:58 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
WishIMay, yes, I know, sadly. But I speak my peace anyway, and perhaps it helps some people understand the facts; I have no expectation whatsoever of those with already-firmly-closed minds being able to even grasp the facts, much less accept them. I just put them out there. Doesn't take much time, is an education for me in itself, and may or may not be appreciated by others. I enjoy searching out facts, so it gives me enjoyment, satisfaction and education. That makes it worth it,



I am always(non-sarcastic!) very happy when anybody finds something that makes them fulfilled. I also am mortified by anything repetitive and inefficient. Words, especially lots of them, are just not as efficient as actions. Now see, (sarcasm here!) my approach would be vastly different. It would involve long term violent persecution of those-lets say intolerant- people for some rediculously trivial offence so that when it ended they would be grateful to receive even the smallest amount of tolerance and compassion and thusly would come so see the full error of their ways.

I would really rather put my head through a brick wall that argue at length with a complete idiot... That, and these days my "at lengths" are more like "mere moments" so I am forced to be extremely picky... Not like I like to speak much at all these days anyway, and I am horribly slow at typing. I look at one of your posts and I think "God, that had to have taken a good chunk of time." Not that I'm gonna tell anyone what to do with their free time, I'm just advocating reason and balance. Myself personally, I've just spent 30 minutes on here when I really need to go unload the dishwasher...

Can't help but think FFfans got lots of dirty dishes

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