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It's religious bigotry to criticize this ?

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:21 AM

AURAPTOR

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This actually occurs, in the 21st century, IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!

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Taliban militants publicly executed a man and woman accused of having an affair this past Sunday, in the northern province of Kunduz. A Taliban official informed news agencies that the young couple had confessed to the crime of adultery and attempting to elope before they were stoned to death in front of a crowd of 150 men. The man was married, and the woman had been engaged to another man.

The Afghani district and provincial governments condemned the execution. "It is against all human rights and international conventions," said provincial government spokesman Mabubullah Sayedi. "There was no court. It was cruel."

Human rights group Amnesty International denounced the “heinous crime, and stated that it was the first confirmed stoning in the country since the official fall of Taliban rule in 2001.

"Amnesty International has warned that the Afghan government should not sacrifice human rights, particularly the rights of women and minorities, in the name of reconciliation with the Taliban and other insurgent groups," said a spokesman for the London-based group.



and this ....

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Afghan widow given more than 200 lashes before being shot dead by Taliban for adultery was PREGNANT

The Afghan woman publicly executed by Taliban militants for alleged adultery was pregnant, it emerged today.
The victim, 48-year-old Bibi Sanubar, was flogged up to 200 times before being shot on Sunday - in the head and chest - in the remote Qades district. Her alleged lover managed to escape.
Abdul Jabbar Khan, security chief in the Taliban-controlled area, said the killing was ordered after the woman allegedly killed her newborn child to conceal illicit sex.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1301487/Bibi-Sanubar
-Afghan-widow-shot-dead-Taliban-adultery-pregnant.html#ixzz0wzjEgYWq






You see, we must be respectful of other cultures, other religions, and show how everyone how TOLERANT we are, so much so , that merely to point out the barbaric nature of these sanctioned , brutal killings, gets more scorn than those who are guilty of the vile acts in the first place.







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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:23 AM

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Did this happen at ground zero?

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did this happen at ground zero?



You wouldn't care , even if it did.

Unless a Republican was President, then you'd scream bloody murder.






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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:35 AM

KWICKO

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No, the mistake you make is the equivocation of Muslims in the U.S. with the Taliban.

By the extension of your logic, we should be bombing all the churches in this country, because some few "christians" have decided to murder doctors performing legal procedures, and they murder those doctors "in the name of God".

Not that you'd ever criticize them, because they are all Republicans, of course.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And, of course, the last time anything like this DID happen at ground zero, it WAS a Republican president. And it WAS bloody murder, which he did nothing to try to prevent, and then did nothing of substance to bring the culprits and perpetrators to justice. Nope, he just let them walk right out of Tora Bora with a smile, a wink, and his blessing, saying, "I don't worry that much about Osama bin Laden."

There goes your hero. No wonder you miss him so much; you both try your hardest to destroy America!

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
No, the mistake you make is the equivocation of Muslims in the U.S. with the Taliban.

By the extension of your logic,




In no way, what so ever is that either an extension of my logic, or remotely comparable to what's going on in Islam.

I made no "equivocation" of Muslims in the U.S. and the Taliban. There was absolutely nothing in what I posted that came anywhere near such an asinine claim. You're lying and making up shit, simply to play the role of contrarian.

You can't even come to condemn these heinous acts.

That speaks so much about what sort of human being you truly are.






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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You absolutely lump the Taliban in with the Muslims who are trying to build a community center in NYC. That's why you keep falsely claiming "its religious bigotry to criticize this", when nobody here has said anything anywhere close to that. You're on a mission - or a Crusade - to deny Muslims in this country the right to worship as they wish, where they want, and you're blaming every bit of it on the actions of a very tiny group of radicals in another country halfway around the world.



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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I made no "equivocation" of Muslims in the U.S. and the Taliban.



You also made NO distinction whatsoever.

But that's this thread - in most others you DO do your best to equivocate them.

Which speaks to the type of "human" you are.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:53 AM

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...to deny Muslims in this country the right to worship as they wish


Lie.

Again.

That's all you can do, because you have no case, no coherent point to make.

You'd allow Muslims to place a mosque at Arlington National Cemetery, if they wanted. You don't give a damn which sacred ground they want to build on.




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I made no "equivocation" of Muslims in the U.S. and the Taliban.



You also made NO distinction whatsoever.

But that's this thread - in most others you DO do your best to equivocate them.

Which speaks to the type of "human" you are.



I didn't bring up people who abuse the '10 items or less ' rule at the quick check out lane either. So what ?

Here, I'll make it simple for you.

I'm an atheist, and I don't care for ANY religion.

As a human being, and an American, I particularly don't care for radical Islam /Jihadist types. Those who cheered the collapse WTC towers and the deaths of 9/11, as well as all other acts of Islamic violence, as well as those who promote the idea that " we had it comin' , and got what we deserved ", sorry... you'll get no sympathy, tolerance or respect from me.

Imam Rauf has refused all attempts to find a more suitable place to build the Cordoba Mosqu.

Why?

It's clear that this structure will do everything but build the bridges that Rauf claims is its purpose.

This entire mess could be avoided, yet Rauf remains stubbornly deaf to the concerns and wishes of those who would have to live near Cordoba House, and to those who lost family and loved ones on that day in September. ( kinda like someone else we know, who won't comment on the " wisdom " to build the mosque or not )


Oh, and planned grand opening of this facility, shouldn't be a surprise to anyone....

9/11.





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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:21 PM

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So let me see if I understand this. Did someone criticize the reporting of these acts? I'm going to guess yes.

Ok, forget, for a moment, the Taliban and their warped sense of religious fervor. Those guys are the sum of an end product - thousands of years of religious fanaticism brought to a fever pitch by circumstances surrounding their daily existence. These guys devoutly believe they are right(Hmmmm, no I won't go there).

The question is: Is it news?

These vile acts have been going on for centuries.
By our understanding, in today's times, they are 'Old Testament' barbaric to say the least.
But because the media (using mainstream as an adjective is somewhat redudant in recent times because of the advent of the internet; it is more appropriate to say corporate media), the corporate media, chooses to "report" these acts to elicit a particular reaction from it's viewers it is considered news.

There was a time when this was not so. We, North Americans, were completely oblivious to the goings on in 'Taliban' country; up until about 10 years ago. Besides, humans have been annihilating those who don't believe as 'we' do since time began. To them, we are the 'infidels' but they don't have the market cornered when it comes to religious destruction & persecution.

So as a group, us North Americans, don't believe as 'they' do. So the long answer is: Yes, on principle alone. And becuase of our violent past.

For me though, as I am a-religious, the short answer would be: No.


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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:27 PM

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No, it's religious bigotry to say that a religious community center can't be built in this country (where freedom of religion is guaranteed) based on the actions of those in another country. Should Jews in this country not be allowed to build synagogues because of the actions of Israel? Of course not. And just because some wingnuts in Afghanistan are cruel and evil people does not mean that people who practice Islam in this country should be denied the right to build a place where they can converge.


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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:35 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did this happen at ground zero?

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One of the planes landing gear hit the building and went thru the roof, so yes it is ground zero. Why do they insist on building it there when they see how it's upseting so many?

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:49 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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...to deny Muslims in this country the right to worship as they wish


Lie.

Again.

That's all you can do, because you have no case, no coherent point to make.

You'd allow Muslims to place a mosque at Arlington National Cemetery, if they wanted. You don't give a damn which sacred ground they want to build on.




Two blocks from Ground Zero isn't "sacred ground". Hell, I thought you were supposed to be an atheist - you shouldn't even BELIEVE in any such thing as "sacred ground".

I'd not allow anyone to build a mosque on top of Arlington National Cemetery, though you would no doubt stop Muslims from being buried with honors there, no matter how honorably they served this country. You seek to specifically exclude an entire people, based on your hatred of their religious beliefs; I despise all religions, but don't automatically hate the followers of those religions.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:50 PM

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It seems that plans have changed..............

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/muslim-leaders-to-abandon-pl
ans-for-ground-zero-community-center-1.308426


Food for thought.



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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:56 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did this happen at ground zero?

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One of the planes landing gear hit the building and went thru the roof, so yes it is ground zero. Why do they insist on building it there when they see how it's upseting so many?

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So fucking what? The planes took off from Boston, so I guess THAT'S hallowed ground now, too, huh?

The bottom line is that YOU all want someone else to modify THEIR religion to suit YOUR desires, and you could give two shits about what they want. Is it insensitive of them to build there? Possibly. But you didn't have any problems with that insensitivity when it came to publishing cartoons depicting their prophet as a terrorist, did you? You said "Fuck 'em!". Well, guess what? Fuck you, too! :)

People want them to build somewhere else, forgetting completely that THIS is the neighborhood where these people have the need for a mosque.

Remember how everyone on the right took a giant shit in their pants when Helen Thomas suggested that maybe the Jews should think about building "somewhere else"?

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
It seems that plans have changed..............

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/muslim-leaders-to-abandon-pl
ans-for-ground-zero-community-center-1.308426


Food for thought.



SGG

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Too bad. I was hoping they'd do it, AND open it on 9/11/11. It's for damn sure there won't be any new Twin Towers built on that site that will be open near that time.

I think the righties are really pissed because someone "un-American" showed them up again.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Two blocks from Ground Zero isn't "sacred ground". Hell, I thought you were supposed to be an atheist - you shouldn't even BELIEVE in any such thing as "sacred ground".




A portion of one plane's landing gear was found in the Burlington Coat Factory building, as well as human remains.

Being an atheist has nothing to do w/ not respecting history.

Also...
Quote:

Remains of 72 people found at World Trade Center site

New York City officials say a renewed search this year of debris in and around the World Trade Center site has recovered 72 human remains.
The sifting of more than 800 cubic yards (612 cubic meters) of debris recovered from ground zero and underneath roads around the lower Manhattan site began in April and ended Friday.


The greatest number of remains – 37 – were found from material underneath West Street, a highway on the west side of ground zero. The new debris was uncovered as construction work made new parts of the site accessible.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7848762/Rem
ains-of-72-people-found-at-World-Trade-Center-site.html





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So fucking what? The planes took off from Boston, so I guess THAT'S hallowed ground now, too, huh?
Huh ? That doesn't even make any sense. No one DIED in Boston as a result of the 9/11 attacks, you moron. What about this is so god damn confusing for you ?

Quote:


The bottom line is that YOU all want someone else to modify THEIR religion to suit YOUR desires, and you could give two shits about what they want. Is it insensitive of them to build there? Possibly.



"Modify their religion " ? Wow... you truly are grasping at straws here. What parts of the Koran are we changing ? Oh, nothing ? Then you're a moron. But hey, thanks for just admitting that the 9/11 Families, the first responders and all those who are against this mosque being built here are right. Bout damn time

Quote:

But you didn't have any problems with that insensitivity when it came to publishing cartoons depicting their prophet as a terrorist, did you? You said "Fuck 'em!". Well, guess what? Fuck you, too! :)


Again, another incoherent attempt at equivocation. One has absolutely nothing to do w / the other. It was Kurt Westergaard, a Dane, not anyone in NCY , who drew the cartoons which cause the Muslims to flip out.

Quote:

People want them to build somewhere else, forgetting completely that THIS is the neighborhood where these people have the need for a mosque.
There already IS a mosque in that neighborhood, and who the hell are YOU to say what that neighborhood needs or not ? Are YOU a Muslim who lives in NY ? Or some fat a$$ living in Texas ?

Quote:

Remember how everyone on the right took a giant shit in their pants when Helen Thomas suggested that maybe the Jews should think about building "somewhere else"?


Uh, no. Because she never said that. She was asked if she had any comments on Israel, and she said they should " get the hell out of Palestine ", and go " home".







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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:09 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did this happen at ground zero?

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One of the planes landing gear hit the building and went thru the roof, so yes it is ground zero. Why do they insist on building it there when they see how it's upseting so many?

Those arn't boobs, they're lies! - Stewie Griffin




So fucking what? The planes took off from Boston, so I guess THAT'S hallowed ground now, too, huh?

The bottom line is that YOU all want someone else to modify THEIR religion to suit YOUR desires, and you could give two shits about what they want. Is it insensitive of them to build there? Possibly. But you didn't have any problems with that insensitivity when it came to publishing cartoons depicting their prophet as a terrorist, did you? You said "Fuck 'em!". Well, guess what? Fuck you, too! :)

People want them to build somewhere else, forgetting completely that THIS is the neighborhood where these people have the need for a mosque.

Remember how everyone on the right took a giant shit in their pants when Helen Thomas suggested that maybe the Jews should think about building "somewhere else"?

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Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


Asking them to move there 15 story club house else where is asking them "modify" there religion? They want to build bridges, move it some where else. Refusing to budge is proof they're all phonies.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:14 PM

KWICKO

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So you admit that everyone on the right are a bunch of phonies, eh, Zit? After all, aren't YOU refusing to budge?

You all whine about all the "PC" crap, yet you want everyone else to be "sensitive" to YOUR feelings, when you could give a shit about theirs.


By the way, what "construction" was going on that allowed so many human remains to be found? And why weren't you protesting it, being on "sacred ground" and all?

Is it because you're all a bunch of whining, bitchy little hypocrites? Of course it is!

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