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Sunday, May 30, 2010 3:16 AM

SOCKPUPPET


JewelStaiteFan suggested that we start a new thread as the last one was adding up. We can compile the clams here, and I will try to edit this post as we move along.

Here is the old sockpuppet list for reference.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=40182

Following the rules same as before, = means different accounts of the same user, and ~ means poster with a similar frame of mind.

For instance Antimason = Chrisisall

DickCheney = TheRightStuff = TheGhostOfChrisIsAll = Chrisisall
BigDamnNobody = OutToTheBlack
Kwicko = The Spelling Fairy™ = Rue = JKiddo = SignyM = Citizen
RiverLove = KaneMan = Kirkules = KingAlbert = Jameron = ShadowFly = River6213
JewelStaiteFan = Auraptor = JanezTown = WhoDied = WhoZit
Participant = PirateCat = CatPirate = PirateJenny = PirateNews
ChrisIsAll
SocketPuppet = MincingBeast = Dreamtrove = ByteMite = Fremdfirma = Wulfenstar

Crosslinks:

Participant ?= Auraptor

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 4:59 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Out2theBlack = BigDamnNobody. And both of them seem to think Kwicko = Rue and/or SignyM.


Kwicko = Citizen.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's hysterical!!!

Hey, "Sockpuppet" (cute), how about bringing the pertinent existing ones over from the other thread, so we don't start anew? I've noted a few, but not all of them, and if we start all over without the old "theories", there'll end up with a lot of duplication and this thread not being as helpful as it could.

Of course, that's just one voice who WANTS to figure out who she's talking to, not someone who wants to snark and accuse people of being sockpuppets.

Who's sockpuppet are you, by the bye?




To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 6:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ocurred to me that, if I want what I asked for, I should do it myself. Ergo, the following. It consistes of pertinent remarks/guesses from the other thread (with refutations and who the guess is made by):

Quote:

Kwicko:

JSF = AuRaptor, according to common wisdom.
It seems Participant ALSO = AuRaptor. AND Jayneztown.

Out2theBlack = BigDamnNobody.
JKiddo /25571 = SignyM /1606

It's been suggested that Kaneman is River6213. I was thinking Kaneman was Wulfie.


Riverdancer:

Kingelbert, jameron, and kaneman have all made a sudden reappearance this week.

Could be coincidence.


Niki:

Kaneman = Kirkules?


DT:

Mike, I am virtually certain than kaneman is not wulfie. In fact, I think no one is wulfie but wulfie, unless they are who zit.

The one that I agree with you on is actually JSF.

Kaneman was a known sockpuppet, flagged by Haken for being offensive, not for being a sockpuppet.

Considerations I've made, an abbreviated list, not accusations, just things that have crossed my mind:

1. PK might be a sock puppet, I don't know of whom. (Peacekeeper: Please explain why you get that impression.Until about 8 hours ago.I didn't even know what one was!!!!!)
2. Kathy, you can't be a sockpuppet, because you have a known human attached.
3. Sig I have often pondered as a possible sockpuppet of Rue (Rue: That would make my sockpuppet nicer than me ! That's my hidden self ! (????) The one I am too ashamed to post as ! (hunh ???))
4. Participant, it has crossed my mind, could be a sockpuppet of Pirate News. The other Pirates are perhaps family members.
5. Wulf could be a sockpuppet of someone clever. He always brings up the same issues, a normal person wouldn't do that, unless they were just doing it to test the audience. My main suspect would be Frem, sorry, you just have more than a logical amount of patience with Wulf. I have seen pics of both of you. (Frem: Wulf is too consistent and sensible to be a sock puppet candidate. Anybody not agreeing with the statements he makes would not be able to comprehend the subject matter he covers and expouses, so he cannot be represented by somebody of opposite bias.)
6. Whozit was initially too incompetent to be the sockpuppet of Mike
7. Riverdancer might by River6213 as well. So many people have been. The fact is that River, when not ousted, is an interesting and insightful commentor. Admit it, we were all fooled by Riverlove for a long time. Kaneman less so. I personally found the original River6213's contributions very thought provoking, and miss them. (Riverdancer: could assure you that I am not, if that had any hope of changing your mind.)
8. YinYang could also be...
9. common behaviors, as well as times of disappearance are give aways as well as knowledge base. Everyone thinks to fake voice, post a pick, take different positions, but they tend to fit the same psychological profile.
10. Mike, Frem, Byte, Niki, Rue, PN, are lowest on my list of "not a sockpuppet" followed by probably not Hero, O2tB, Geezer, HK.


Jewelstatefan (quoting others):

JewelStaiteFan /28350 = AuRaptor /3968 (Fremdfirma)

Kaneman = River6213 (Chrisisall)


Frem:

JSF up there is just playing mind games, since that name is the caught, and outed username of user AURAPTOR. (claim substantiated by http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37206)


Chrisisall:

For MY money, Kaneman was River6213 when she was pissed.




So there we go, we're caught up as best I can, and can go from here, if you wish, refute previous claims, unmask yourself, or whatever...




To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:41 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Kaneman = Kirkules?




I could be Kaneman's puppet but not the other way around. Kaneman predates me by at least a couple of years. I do find it's interesting that he has Kane spelled with a K in his user name and my Avatar is Kane from the novels by Karl Edward Wagner. I'd like to think he is a fellow Wagner fan. The problem is that I only agree with him about 50% of the time and would'nt be a very loyal sock-puppet at that rate.


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Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:44 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Out2theBlack = BigDamnNobody. And both of them seem to think Kwicko = Rue and/or SignyM.


Kwicko = Citizen.


Problem with this one is that one is a whole lot smarter than the other and I doubt he could dumb himself down enough to play the other.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:56 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm slightly concerned by the possibility that someone else may want the other thread to go unvisited for some reason.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:30 AM

MEATPUPPET42


Sometimes I put a sock on my meat does that count?

I love it it's like wiping your ass with silk.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:34 AM

KIRKULES


At one time I was of the opinion that PirateNews=Frem due to their similar beliefs and Frem being a Anarchist and all. Now I think it's more likely that Frem=AuRaptor, because a word from Auraptor creates more anarchy(in the traditional meaning) than any other 10 posters combined.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:38 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm slightly concerned by the possibility that someone else may want the other thread to go unvisited for some reason.


You can't play unless you're willing to name names.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:41 AM

BYTEMITE


I'M more likely to be Frem than AURaptor. And also Kwicko and DreamTrove.

Anarchy doesn't work that way. >_>

Hmm... Actually, Kwicko and AURaptor... If it wasn't for one time Kwicko sent me a PM about...something about AURaptor, forget what it is now, that actually might be a possibility.

I've known people elsewhere who created multiple identities they'd have little mini-wars with as an expression of an on-going internal fight.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:55 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'M more likely to be Frem than AURaptor. And also Kwicko and DreamTrove.



I originally suspected that you were DreamTrove, but I don't think he has the self restraint to be you. He would forget to take his meds or start smoking the crack again and break out in a long rambling diatribe as you and unless I missed it that hasn't happened yet.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 12:02 PM

BYTEMITE


I did actually have an interesting fun time last Thursday, and I think it could be safely said I'm permanently off my meds.

I'm also a posting style chameleon, and I'll generally start to unconsciously mimic the posting style of anyone I talk to for long durations of time.

But I do tend to be concise. I'm impatient, I like to get to the point.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 12:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

I'm slightly concerned by the possibility that someone else may want the other thread to go unvisited for some reason.
Not sure what you meant by this, Byte. I meant no harm in moving the information over, I assure you, and was as much for myself as for anyone else. As I've said before, I abhor the idea of sockpuppets and feel I would benefit from at least a glimmer of who might be one. I don't take anything on faith and tried to add in refutations, but some of them make sense to me and I just wanted to be aware without having to read the entire thread again. No offense was intended to anyone. I actually don't pay much attention, most of the time, but sometimes I wonder...




To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 12:37 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Chrisisall = DICKCHENEY = THERIGHTSTUFF

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:19 PM

MINCINGBEAST


Interesting thread, though I'm the only real person in this forum, and you are all my sockpuppets. Either that, or I am a sockpuppet's sockpuppet. I can't tell anymore--forum identity being so malleable and meaningless.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:32 PM

BYTEMITE


Wasn't directed at you, Niki. Just pointing out possibilities.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:34 PM

SOCKPUPPET


Actually, its just you and me on this board. I am everyone.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 2:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
At one time I was of the opinion that PirateNews=Frem due to their similar beliefs and Frem being a Anarchist and all. Now I think it's more likely that Frem=AuRaptor, because a word from Auraptor creates more anarchy(in the traditional meaning) than any other 10 posters combined.


The hilarity of it all, Kirk, was me pointing out to him right in his face that I would never need a strawman sockpuppet because of his dependable, deniable, lunacy.

Although you are equating chaos and disorder with anarchy, which isn't the case cause imma Rosseau-Kropotkin Mutulist, not one of them Nihilistic types, and so I find chaos and disorder to be unpalatable.

Still, you'd be hard pressed to find someone better at shooting their own cause in the foot, that is true.

At least you and I can discuss like people, even if we vehemently and bitterly disagree on many principles, and I value that, never think I don't.

-Frem

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 3:10 PM

ANTIMASON


oh please..

i am not Chrisisall

in fact, im pretty sure we've had a contentious issue between the two of us once or twice

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 3:44 PM

DREAMTROVE


I sincerely doubt that anti mason is chrisisall. If chrisisall created a conservative puppet it would be me, since I'm the one who says, yes, chris, your right, and then tries to convince other conservatives that Chris is right.

Kirk, I resent that characterization, but I take your point on my long irrelevant rants. I should have that looked at. Yes, you did miss a couple I made when I was ByteMite. Just kidding, but Byte can rant.

As long as were making baseless accusations, it's occurred to me that niki might be futuremrsfillion, as she disappeared, and there's a certain similarity, unfortunately, that idea is killed by FMF thinking that bombing Muslims for womens rights was a good idea, and Niki being a secret Muslim.

Looking over the whole situation, it would be easier to make a list of everyone who wasn't River6213. I see auraptor, antimason and chrisisall have snuck into my ipad dictionary for spellcheck, bytemite is in there too.

My non-sockpuppet list would be aerator, hero, frem, Chris, sig, byte, me, citizen, antimason, river6213, wulf, kwicko. Oh there have to be others. I suspect some of those have sick puppets of their lawn.


Oh
Hooey.

Or phooey even. I quirked a girth. Or quarked one.

Correction, aerator should have read auraptor. Also, sock puppet should be one word, and it should not have been sick puppet. Last word in that paragraph should be own, not lawn.


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Sunday, May 30, 2010 4:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Out2theBlack = BigDamnNobody. And both of them seem to think Kwicko = Rue and/or SignyM.


Kwicko = Citizen.


Problem with this one is that one is a whole lot smarter than the other and I doubt he could dumb himself down enough to play the other.



Well, that and I don't spell it "humour" or "colour"...

One of us is British, the other, not so much.

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 4:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:

I'm also a posting style chameleon, and I'll generally start to unconsciously mimic the posting style of anyone I talk to for long durations of time.




I tend to do that a bit myself. I do it worse in speech.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 4:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I have a sockpuppet. It's The Spelling Fairy™. It was part of a long-time ongoing joke at a couple of the Honda forums, where there was actually a group of us who shared The Spelling Fairy™ amongst us, and could log in and correct really egregious errors. There was also a Grammar Nazi™ whose log-in info was shared amongst those same groups, across several boards for a number of years.

So The Spelling Fairy™ followed me here at some point, and I tend to assume that everybody everywhere is in on the same jokes. Nobody here seemed to get it, though. Go figure...


Oh, and antimason is also BlueSunCompanyMan and xxRaftermanxx, near as I can tell.

And sockpuppet is DreamTrove. Y'all didn't notice that right off?

Kwicko = The Spelling Fairy™

I don't think Niki = anyone else.
Bytemite is simply Bytemite.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:31 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I suspect some of those have sick puppets of their lawn.


We call those garden gnomes.

Oddly, did you know there's actually a Garden Gnome Liberation Front - and that the State Dept has in actual fact, listed them as a "Terrorist" organisation ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_Gnome_Liberationists
Your tax dollars at work, protecting those poor gnomes from being liberated by the GGLF, heh.

-F

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:38 PM

RIVERDANCER


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
DT:
7. Riverdancer might by River6213 as well. So many people have been.


I'm not, but anyone who thought I could be seemed to respect her, so I don't really mind too much. But I'm definitely not a River formerly known as another River, and thinking such won't really get you anywhere.
I have tried to change my avatar, so as to be less confusing, but the old one seems stuck there, and the alternate floats under my name looking rather sad. Maybe someday, it will be all tidied up.

That garden gnome thing made me chuckle.

I tend to take on posting styles, too. I have to focus on keeping my own voice, and when I do that I just end up sounding like an English major for some reason.

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Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm slightly concerned by the possibility that someone else may want the other thread to go unvisited for some reason.


I was the Original Poster of the other thread, which I think is the one linked to above. Also, I am the one who suggested in that thread that a new thread be created if the discussion was to continue.

That should effectively alleviate your concerns about nefarious or devious objectives of others. I suspect there are numerous threads that some wish were not visited, so I cannot state that nobody felt that way about the other thread. However, the other thread is linked in the OP of this thread, as should be, so that defeats the suggestion that obfuscation is the goal of Sock Puppet.

Also, who is Sock Puppet?

The reason I started the other thread was to develop a list of known or suspected Sockpuppets, but there was no useful input, and the thread was deluged with discussion and babbling, without the informational input I'd desired. After over 100 posts, some additional input was finally posted, but by that time the thread was unwieldy and bloated.
This thread was started by (presumably) a sockpuppet, and already has 2 dozen posts without a coherent list, so the success I had envisioned for such a list seems unlikely. I might try some time when I have more time, but as long as the informational input continues here, this should be a productive thread, so thanks to all who are actually contributing.

Other bits:
I never found the user number of Kaneman, can somebody post it? Thanks in advance.

Nonspecific theorists are not valid. For instance, Everybody thinks Niki2 = Kwicko should not be in the list, unless Everybody is a logged name. If numerous users agree with the sockpuppet suspicion, each name should be listed.

It also occurs to me (I forget if I considered it originally) that another sub-list can be used, showing users who have changed their names, for various valid reasons. The symbol can be >>. For instance, ???? >> BlueSunCompanyMan. Post #???. Where the first ???? is the prior name of BSCM and the second ??? is the thread number where he stated the fact. I used BSCM because I think he did state that he was a previous name, but lost his logon info or somesuch. Apologies if I recall that incorrectly.

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Monday, May 31, 2010 5:59 AM

KANEMAN


Do you people really think that someone would take the time to set up multiple accounts to converse with you. A bit paranoid I'd say.

For the record I am tagged as offensive and the site posts my IP address.....Kaneman=River6213? I take that as a complement......

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Monday, May 31, 2010 6:12 AM

KANEMAN


Bigdamnnobody is to clever to be out2theblack

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Monday, May 31, 2010 6:42 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

That should effectively alleviate your concerns about nefarious or devious objectives of others.


Not really...

But then, unless people can post proof positive of their accusations, this is all really just wild mass guessing. Added to that I'm not sure how useful knowing who's a sock puppet and who isn't is. Seems the only use for that is an attempt to discredit people's arguments, which is not logically valid.

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Monday, May 31, 2010 6:51 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Posted by JSF:

I never found the user number of Kaneman, can somebody post it? Thanks in advance.



21023. Member Since: Thursday, June 29, 2006 18:42

Quote:


Do you people really think that someone would take the time to set up multiple accounts to converse with you. A bit paranoid I'd say.

For the record I am tagged as offensive and the site posts my IP address.....Kaneman=River6213? I take that as a complement......




Why couldn't you have just created a new account from work, Kaneman? Wouldn't that be a different IP address?

As for why people would create other accounts, who knows? It happens, though, all over the place.

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Monday, May 31, 2010 7:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, I'll update for anyone who might be interested in future:

Quote:

Kwicko:

Oh, and antimason is also BlueSunCompanyMan and xxRaftermanxx, near as I can tell.

And sockpuppet is DreamTrove. Y'all didn't notice that right off?

Kwicko = The Spelling Fairy™

I don't think Niki = anyone else.
Bytemite is simply Bytemite.

I have a sockpuppet. It's The Spelling Fairy™.


Antimason:

I am not Chrisisall.


Kaneman:

Bigdamnnobody is to clever to be out2theblack

I'd like to have met this futuremrsfillion, would have been interesting to see someone else supposedly like me..."see yourself from the outside" as it were. But I've always used Niki or Nikovich on any forum, aside from the fact I'm already married and would NEVER marry anyone otherwise. Jim and I only GOT married so I could put him on my dental insurance for the job I had then.

On the other hand, "Has Fillion In Her Closet" would have worked for me; whenever I see someone yummy, I'm known to say "Oh, I want one of those! Can I have one? I promise to keep it in my closet and not overuse it..."

I'm a secret Muslim? DAMN, I didn't know, I thought I was a Jew/Dyke/Operative. Glad you cleared that up! And I LIKED "sickpuppet", and will use it henceforth, so there!

And I can't make out that last paragraph to put up a "changed name" list, JSF, sorry...I got too confused trying to figure it out. biggrin: Old brains don't work that well sometimes!

As to the previous thread degenerating into discussions, etc., so has this one, and I see no problem with that. In a way it's a silly subject, and Kane is right, it's paranoid--which is what I've said about my feelings. I m paranoid; I like to know who I'm talking to. Tho' it's no biggie and as I said, I rarely think about it, I think it's the mostly about who might be a sickpuppet of the more "ugly" people here that I get paranoid.

On the other hand, since it can be done (and apparently so easily, from what DT did here), I don't think it's paranoid. Anonymity is bad enough on the internet, without having anonymity WITHIN anonymity and someone doing it specifically to let their nastier side out--or pretend to be nice to hide that nastier side. JMHO.

Denial, obviously, means nothing since anyone can deny anything, it's just something for reference. Nobody has to believe me when I've said that I've never run into (known) sickpuppets elsewhere and other forums prevent it...or at least don't let you have more than one per IP addy. It seems strange to me, and indicative of a mentality I feel strange ABOUT. That's all.




To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Monday, May 31, 2010 7:24 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Chrisisall = DICKCHENEY

ENNNNN, wrong answer Hans.
Quote:

= THERIGHTSTUFF
To this I must plead guilty as charged, but it was so long ago, isn't there a statute of limitations...?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, May 31, 2010 7:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey Chris!! Have I just not noticed, or have you been gone a while? I was thinking the last couple of days "Where's Chris? I miss him". If you HAVE been around and I just haven't noticed, chalk it up to aging brain...




To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Monday, May 31, 2010 7:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Niki: I believe you *HAVE* met FMF (FutureMrsFillion); if I'm not mistaken, you both had a rather heated discussion about all things American with Gino a while back.

FMF is pretty awesome. I think y'all would get along really well.

That said, I *DO* wish Gino would come back around. He was too funny to not be here, and offered wonderful "outside-looking-in" perspectives, which I think we dearly need in this country.

Chris = TheRightStuff? Huh. I did not know that. Must've been before my time, maybe.

Chris also = TheGhostofChrisIsAll. Obviously.

And SignyM = JKiddo (she couldn't log in from work, or lost her info while she was at work, or something like that. She announced it when she arrived as JKiddo, so it was never any kind of secret, and there was never any subterfuge nor obfuscation about it.)

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Monday, May 31, 2010 9:06 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I've never run into (known) sickpuppets elsewhere and other forums prevent it...or at least don't let you have more than one per IP addy.


I've never seen a forum limit usernames based on IP, it's always based on email accounts. Email accounts are also not limited based on IP, and even if they were there are enough email clients out there for someone to have basically as many as they want. I myself have three. One is old, started at the tender age of 13 when I first discovered the wonders of the internet. I used it regularly until I was twenty. By then, my spam filter was having a lot of trouble keeping up with it, and it was a long pain in the butt to type here as my login. So I got a new one, but kept the old one so I could give it out to places I suspected would spam me. Just recently I got a more businesslike email address to put on my business cards. So, I have three, but it would be easy enough to get even more than that and have multiple usernames wherever I wanted. Which I don't really want, because it's hard enough being me sometimes.



Just to clear that up

Oh, and I remember one of the first forums I joined, in the long long ago, referred to multiple accounts as 'mule' accounts. I don't know why. I first heard the term sockpuppet here.

Chris was TheRightStuff??? omg, my world might be crumbling...




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Monday, May 31, 2010 9:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, Mike, I don't remember the exchange, but then I don't remember a lot of them, especially from when I first came since I didn't know anyone then. I'm sorry she's not around; as I said, it would have been interesting, even if we had diametrically opposite viewpoints (also, if you say she was "awsome" and she and I argued, then she might be that "intelligent right-winger" I'd so like to have around!

Okay, I've become convinced Kaneman is someone's sickpuppet. His "opinions" are so far outside the realm of reality that they seem too crazy to be expressed by a real person. I suspect he's one of our more out-there posters who's using the sickpuppet to be REALLY out there, and I suspect he posts under that name to trigger others.

Can anyone clear it up for me. I see "Kaneman was a known sockpuppet, flagged by Haken for being offensive, not for being a sockpuppet." If he's a known sickpuppet, who is he?

My guesses would be Anti, OTB, Crappy or Wulf--Wulf being at the last of the list because sometimes he's reasonable, tho' that doesn't eliminate him because Kaneman would be the sickpuppet he uses to be REALLY hard core.

So who is it? If he was a known sickpuppet, someone knows.

p.s. Rose, it never occurred to me you were a sickpuppet...you used a similar name "elsewhere", told me who you were from there, and in both places your writings have been universally gentle and reasonable. Just FYI.



To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Monday, May 31, 2010 10:12 AM

DREAMTROVE


I actually like River, so I mean nothing personal by this: No, not to converse with us. Numerous threads have been read by the people here, some of them quite entertaining. I seem to recall one where citizen was the only non-river username in the midst of many sockpuppets, and he was quite confused. Since I used to find citizen very annoying, I was very amused at his plight. Actually, it reminded me of some scenes from dystopic scifi noir.

For the record, the following I believe were confirmed kaneman=river6213, glad to see your self esteem recovering, river love is also river6213, shadowily is river6213

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Monday, May 31, 2010 10:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, in that case, did he COME BACK as Kaneman? Because I rarely, if ever see River6213? That seems like a waste, River6213 is here so seldom.




To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "together"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Monday, May 31, 2010 10:18 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Hey Chris!! Have I just not noticed, or have you been gone a while? I was thinking the last couple of days "Where's Chris? I miss him". If you HAVE been around and I just haven't noticed, chalk it up to aging brain...


I've been busy with my Enterprise models, just finished the movies one...



The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, May 31, 2010 10:21 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

Chris was TheRightStuff??? omg, my world might be crumbling...


That was my response to that twerp "Andrew," remember HIM? But even RightStuff's nonsense could not make Andrew see how idiotic he was, so it failed, sort of.
Except that it spawned the Forsakens...Heh heh.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, May 31, 2010 10:33 AM

DREAMTROVE


Chris,

You got any go god thread of oh fuck

You got any good threads of you tackling or even talking to yourself as the right stuff?

I dug this up, where river accuses herself of being a sock puppet.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=15&t=22614

And there was one someone brought up earlier between river6213 and shadowfly...

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Monday, May 31, 2010 11:38 AM

SOCKPUPPET


If I am a sockpuppet, whoever did me didn't just do me since I appear to have been a member since Wednesday, September 30, 2009 18:17

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Monday, May 31, 2010 11:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Chris,


You got any good threads of you tackling or even talking to yourself as the right stuff?



From http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=22896#355489

THERIGHTSTUFF1


Monday, August 07, 2006 - 08:26



God will strike you down for this post you unbelieving heathen forsaken worm! You are the worst here to be posting like this and it should be taken out by the modererator! Unless he likes to burn also!!!!!
Who made this world you idiot!!!
you and the leftwing blasphemers? The enemies of President Bush and all life that is Holy? Your stepping into the jaws of the Devils' making sickens me!As soon as President Bush is done with the unHoly muslims it will be your kinds turn next!
You are THE BIGGEST IDIOT AND I SEE YOU HAVE NO WISH TO CAHNGE!!!!!!!!!!
YOU are lost!!!!!;finger;


CHRISISALL


Monday, August 07, 2006 - 08:36


Can't I be the biggest idiot?
Please...please!!!

Chrisisall




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Monday, May 31, 2010 11:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Oh, and here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=22900#356324

THERIGHTSTUFF1


Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 07:18

I was wrong because it seems that the light of the Lord does shine in ONE here!
Auraptor is right! If your serious then your saved like most in this country that voted for President Bush and still support him. If more here can see it, keep posting because they ALL NEED IT!!! Changing minds and hearts is one at a time and there are so many that need to change.
Plotwist2 IS AN IDIOT AND IDIOTS GET A FASTER TICKET TO HELL TO BE WITH THEIR DEVIL!!!!!And wont be the fun you think! When you scream from agony and burning all the time you'll be able to see what you did...sorry but its' TOO LATE!!!!!
Keep believing Auraptor!

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 08:01



Quote:
Originally posted by TheRightStuff1:
When you scream from agony

Why? Do they play rap music in Hell?

Ain't goin' Chrisisall


evil:



The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, May 31, 2010 12:12 PM

WHOZIT


What the fuck are you big-brains babling about?

This thread = ZZzzzzzz

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Monday, May 31, 2010 12:40 PM

DREAMTROVE


Chris,

You're fucking insane.

Last thread, which was more lively, RiveR6213 as Tag posted this bit of insanity:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=15&t=21295

That and the other one I just posted, guideposts to true insanity.

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Monday, May 31, 2010 12:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

You're fucking insane.


I take that as a compliment!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, May 31, 2010 12:56 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
What the fuck are you big-brains babling about?

This thread = ZZzzzzzz

Sleep Whoz... sleep as long as ya like. Forever Whoz baby, forever and forever...


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, May 31, 2010 1:03 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
What the fuck are you big-brains babling about?

This thread = ZZzzzzzz

Sleep Whoz... sleep as long as ya like. Forever Whoz baby, forever and forever...


The laughing Chrisisall


Zzzzzzzzz

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