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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


It's getting even uglIER out ther:
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Ready and eager to transition from opposing health care reform to targeting the members of Congress who made it happen, tea party organizers find themselves grappling instead with reports of ugly behavior at this weekend’s protests in Washington that could stymie efforts to broaden the movement’s appeal.

While the thousands of tea partiers who thronged the Capitol grounds on short notice in advance of Sunday’s House health care vote were proof of the movement’s continuing energy, their impact was undercut by accounts of racist and homophobic epithets directed at Democratic lawmakers by a handful of individuals among this weekend’s crowd.
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It was a tense scene outside a meeting of Democratic lawmakers as a 100 or so protesters chanted "kill the bill," and one man launching a homophobic slur at Rep. Barney Frank.

Frank, who is gay, was leaving the Longworth House Office Building when a man yelled a charged homophobic slur at the Massachusetts lawmaker.

When Rep. John Lewis said he was voting for the bill, someone yelled, "Baby killer."

Later, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said that he heard from Lewis that another protestor later called him the N-word. A Lewis staffer confirmed that Lewis had been the target of that slur.

“I heard people saying things today I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus,” Clyburn said, responding to a question about epithets uttered at his colleagues. “It was shocking to me.”

A spokesman for Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) issued a statement Saturday evening confirming earlier second-hand reports that the Congressman had been spit on, and again equating the health care bill with the civil rights movement:

“For many of the members of the CBC, like John Lewis and Emanuel Cleaver who worked in the civil rights movement, and for Mr. Frank who has struggled in the cause of equality, this is not the first time they have been spit on during turbulent times.

This afternoon, the Congressman was walking into the Capitol to vote, when one protester spat on him. The Congressman would like to thank the US Capitol Police officer who quickly escorted the other Members and him into the Capitol, and defused the tense situation with professionalism and care. After all the Members were safe, a full report was taken and the matter was handled by the US Capitol Police. The man who spat on the Congressman was arrested, but the Congressman has chosen not to press charges. He has left the matter with the Capitol Police.

“This is not the first time the Congressman has been called the "n" word and certainly not the worst assault he has endured in his years fighting for equal rights for all Americans. That being said, he is disappointed that in the 21st century our national discourse has devolved to the point of name calling and spitting.

"Our nation has a history of struggling each time we expand rights. Today's protests are no different, but the Congressman believes this is worth fighting for.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34747.html

Tea party organizers have struggled in recent months to clamp down on fringe elements that have sprung up around — and sometimes within — the movement, including white supremacists and conspiracy theorists who believe that the government played a role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks (“truthers”) or that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president (“birthers”).

Some tea party and GOP leaders quickly denounced the slurs shouted at House Democrats, pointed out they were not representative of most tea partiers and urged protestors to stay focused on the movement’s core issues of limited government and taxation. Others suggested either that reporters and lawmakers had fabricated the incidents, or said the epithets came from tea party opponents who had infiltrated the crowds. Some even demanded apologies from Democrats who they said falsely accused them.

Regardless of who yelled what, the reports themselves could be problematic for the tea party movement, said Adam Brandon, a spokesman for FreedomWorks, the small government group that helped organize tea partiers’ congressional office visits last week.

“Tattoos last forever,” said Brandon, quoting his boss, FreedomWorks chairman and former House Republican Leader Dick Armey. “If the movement gets tattooed as at all sympathetic to those (racist and homophobic) views, I won’t want to be involved in it anymore. It’s very distracting not only to our side but also to the debate and the country.”

House Democrats expressed outrage at the treatment some of them received over the weekend, and signaled they will make it an issue for the tea party movement’s Republican allies. Referring to “this crazy stuff the Republicans are doing here,” House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), said GOP leaders “ought to be ashamed of themselves for bringing these people here to Washington, D.C., and they're acting like this.”
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After months of struggling to harness the energy of newly engaged tea party activists, the conservative establishment — with critical midterm congressional elections on the horizon — is taking aim for the first time at the movement’s extremist elements.

The move has been cast by some conservatives as a modern version of the marginalization of the far-right, anti-communist John Birch Society during the reorganization of the conservative movement spearheaded by William F. Buckley Jr. in the 1960s and 1970s.

“A similar effort will be required today of conservative political and intellectual leaders,” former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson wrote in his column in The Washington Post. “It will not be easy. Sometimes it takes courage to stand before a large crowd and proclaim that two plus two equals four.”

I don’t believe we should be giving [extremists] a platform or empowering them to do anything based off their conspiracy theories,” said Ned Ryun, president of American Majority, “because they give the left ammunition to try to define the tea party movement as crazy and fringy.”

Until recently, organizers and activists mostly seemed content to ignore, or in some cases tolerate, extremists in their ranks, confident they’d be drowned out by the hundreds of thousands of activists who took to congressional town halls and marches around the country to protest big-spending initiatives pushed by President Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress.

But inflammatory rhetoric such as former congressman Tom Tancredo’s racially tinged speech at this month’s tea party convention, reports of the involvement of right-wing militia groups and the continued propagation of conspiracy theories about Obama have sometimes cast the movement in an unfavorable light. “At some point, you have to use the word ‘crazy,’” said Erickson.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33621.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34790_Page3.html


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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And this is exactly why I will never, NEVER stand with the tea-baggers. They SAY they're for equality for everybody, but when it comes down to it, the first insults they jump to are racial and homophobic.

It broke my heart to see a man who had actually marched to Selma and had the firehoses and police dogs turned on him, called a "nigger" and spat upon by people who supposedly love the "freedom" that he fought for for all people so many years ago. It made me deeply, deeply ashamed of my country and the state of affairs here.

And the fact that so far as I've seen and heard, not one single Republican has condemned this behavior, and not one single notable Tea Party activist or leader has condemned this behavior, just makes it so much worse. It's disgusting. It's despicable. It's god damned shameful. Or would be, if these tea-baggers had any sense of shame or decency.

Barney Frank was called "faggot" by more than one person as he entered the House chamber to cast his vote. According to him and several others, it was more than a dozen people trying to shout him down. Meanwhile, several Republican lawmakers applauded those actions on the House floor, literally clapping and cheering those doing the shouting.

If this is their vision of America, then it damned well deserves to die, and the sooner the better.




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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Brrrr...[shivers with both fear and nausea]...I agree.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:41 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And the fact that so far as I've seen and heard, not one single Republican has condemned this behavior, and not one single notable Tea Party activist or leader has condemned this behavior, just makes it so much worse.

To be fair, I have heard of Republicans condemning this. Can't remember where I saw the news, but absolutely sure that Repubs, and even some Tea Partiers, are trying to distance themselves.

What they are not owning up to is that they have been actively creating an environment of hate and bitterness that draws these kinds of people.

Also, I've heard that some Tea Partiers are claiming that the insults came from Democratic plants. They're even demanding apologies, if you can believe that. (Sorry, I can't find the references right now. Will look.)

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The astroturfed claims of racial or homosexual remarks are the best the Left has ?

Expected.

But when folks ON THE LEFT were openly calling for Bush to be assassinated, what'd we get from the Left ?

Silence

America is self destructing now, and there are those who see the infusion of socialism as an all out attack on the very freedoms on which this nation was founded.



THAT is the issue that should be in the forefront, not the bad names which one or two ( allegedly ) may have shouted.

So, Niki, Kwickie, spare us all the feigned indignation and quivering lower lip act, at how in this day and age, ANYONE could resort to such name calling.

I question whether such events took place, as described, but even if they did...so what ? In light of what's on the horizon, you REALLY think that's a primary issue over which to get all worked up ? Not saying it's nothing, but certainly falls down the list a ways.

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What they are not owning up to is that they have been actively creating an environment of hate and bitterness that draws these kinds of people


No sir. The blame for that lies SQUARELY on the shoulders of the Leftists - Pelosi, Reid, Biden and Obama. Not the GOP.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The astroturfed claims of racial or homosexual remarks are the best the Left has ?

Expected.

But when folks ON THE LEFT were openly calling for Bush to be assassinated, what'd we get from the Left ?



Cites?

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America is self destructing now, and there are those who see the infusion of socialism as an all out attack on the very freedoms on which this nation was founded.



Again, because I keep having to ask, and you keep running away:

Can you PLEASE show me the SPECIFIC sections, clauses, paragraphs, sentences, sections, and/or words in the healthcare reform bill which you view as utterly destroying our nation, or please admit that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

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THAT is the issue that should be in the forefront, not the bad names which one or two ( allegedly ) may have shouted.



They "allegedly" shouted them on "alleged" videotape. And it wasn't "one or two", it was actually quite a few.

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So, Niki, Kwickie, spare us all the feigned indignation and quivering lower lip act, at how in this day and age, ANYONE could resort to such name calling.



Well, anyone who's a member of the Republican party or the Tea Party, anyway.

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I question whether such events took place, as described, but even if they did...so what ? In light of what's on the horizon, you REALLY think that's a primary issue over which to get all worked up ? Not saying it's nothing, but certainly falls down the list a ways.



Well, coming from you, this is... utterly expected. After all, you DO admit to loathing your President simply because he's black.

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No sir. The blame for that lies SQUARELY on the shoulders of the Leftists - Pelosi, Reid, Biden and Obama. Not the GOP.



Mmmmm-hmmmm. It was the Democrats who put out a PowerPoint presentation featuring pictures of Obama in blackface with the word "socialist" underneath the picture, and said that fund-raisers should rely chiefly on "fear" to raise money for the party. That sounds about right. [/sarcasm]

Hell, you can't even resist the insults and namecalling in your own post claiming that nobody on the right would ever do such a thing. You keep referring to "the left" as "the leftists" and act like you DIDN'T mean it as an insult. Is that something that you on the right - or, in more accurate parlance, "the fascists" - commonly do?





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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:34 PM

NIKI2

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Mal, I can get this one. Tho' I find no major Republican speaking out and denouncing publicly, I was able to find bits of several articles included denunciations; of course, they’re blaming everyone else under the sun along the way. “As to the homophobic epithet yelled at Frank:
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Other protesters quickly admonished the shouter, with one woman yelling back, "We don't need that."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34747.html

and in other respects
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The attempt “to clean up our own house,” as Erick Erickson, founder of the influential conservative blog RedState, puts it, is necessary “because traditional press outlets have decided to spotlight these fringe elements that get attracted to the movement, and focus on them as if they’re a large part of this tea party movement. And I don’t think they are.”

Erickson has advised new tea party organizers on how to avoid affiliations with extremists and this month banned birthers — conservatives who believe that Obama was not born in the United States and is, therefore, ineligible to be president — from his blog. (He has long blacklisted truthers, those who believe that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — a conspiracy theory with devotees across the political spectrum.)

Ryun’s American Majority, a group that trains tea party activists and others around the country, has done much the same thing. Its website has moved to close its sessions to activists who identify themselves with the birther, truther or militia movements or the John Birch Society.

The fringe fighters’ methods range from censuring signs at rallies or banishing unruly participants completely to challenging the media’s focus on the fringe and highlighting the movement’s diversity and tolerance.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33621.html#ixzz0j2nWVvUY
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Some tea party and GOP leaders quickly denounced the slurs shouted at House Democrats, pointed out they were not representative of most tea partiers and urged protestors to stay focused on the movement’s core issues of limited government and taxation. Others suggested either that reporters and lawmakers had fabricated the incidents, or said the epithets came from tea party opponents who had infiltrated the crowds. Some even demanded apologies from Democrats who they said falsely accused them.

Of the reported epithets, she said, “we do not allow that kind of thing to happen within our events because it is wrong and we’re not going to put up with it. I don’t think it’s good for any movement to have reports of crazy people doing things like that. More than the movement, I don’t think it’s good for America for that kind of thing to happen.” Pointing to her group’s denunciation of a self-proclaimed tea party leader photographed with a racist sign, Martin said “if we saw that kind of thing happening, we would kick the people out. We have a history of doing that.”

The conservative blogger Glenn Reynolds responded that it was Clyburn who may “owe the tea party protesters an apology” for playing “the bogus racism card.” And Debbie Gunnoe, a tea party organizer from Navarre, Fla., who was in the House gallery for Ryan’s comments called on him to apologize for “making the generalization that a few rogue people are an example of the rest of the” tea party movement and “for calling all tea party people across the United States ‘tea baggers,’ which is a denigrating word with negative connotations. It’s as bad as calling a black person the N-word.”

His team urged tea partiers to be respectful, Skoda said, pointing out that immigration reform advocates and anti-war demonstrators rallied near the tea partiers Saturday and suggesting it was “a possibility” that some may “have tried to infiltrate” the tea party crowd to “portray the movement in a negative light.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34790_Page3.html



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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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From the article Niki cited:


The fringe fighters’ methods range from censuring signs at rallies or banishing unruly participants completely to challenging the media’s focus on the fringe and highlighting the movement’s diversity and tolerance.



Does anyone besides me find this hilariously ironic? They're now deciding to "censure" or "banish" unruly participants from their rallies - rallies which are supposed to be about FREEDOM, free speech, and all that great stuff.

So rather than just relying on their people to exercise a little restraint and common decency on their own, they're going to start enforcing their own rules on who can say what, and what signs they can bring.

Anyone think it will help? Anyone think it's more than just a little bit hypocritical?




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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, this is one of the Tea Party organizers in his full glory:



But yeah, they'd NEVER do anything like that...






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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


As can be seen by the reply on the wind, little or no accountability is being taken for what's happening. May make it tough for them, tho, come elections. They are truly ramping up the fear tactics and letting the fringers take over. I hope they keep it up, in part, 'cuz it'll be their undoing. I hate that they're doing it, in another part, because it's essentially destroying any chance of bipartisanship that might have existed, and preying on the American public:
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Democrats on Wednesday sharply criticized a Republican National Committee fundraising document that caricatured President Obama as the Joker, while Chairman Michael S. Steele sought to distance himself from it.

Also depicted were House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.), presented as Cruella de Vil and Scooby-Doo, respectively. The three Democratic leaders were gathered under the heading "The Evil Empire."



The cartoonish images were part of a 72-page PowerPoint presentation assembled for potential campaign donors and fundraisers. The document was obtained by Politico after being left at a Florida hotel where the Republicans had gathered Feb. 18.

The presentation also outlined how donors will be encouraged to give to Republicans at a time when the party holds neither the White House nor Congress: "Save the country from trending toward Socialism!"

It cites "fear" and "extreme negative feelings toward existing administration" as reasons why donors might contribute to the GOP.

Said Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse: "If you had any doubt, any doubt whatsoever, that the Republican Party has been taken over by the fear-mongering lunatic fringe, those doubts were erased today." He added, "Republicans across the country have cheered on crowds where these very images appeared."

Steele did not attend the presentation in Boca Grande, Fla., and had not been aware of the document, spokesman Doug Heye said. "Fundraising documents are often controversial. Obviously, the chairman disagrees with the language and finds the use of such imagery to be unacceptable," Heye said in a statement. "It will not be used by the Republican National Committee -- in any capacity -- in the future."

Raynard Jackson, a GOP activist who has worked to attract blacks and other minority members to the party, was outraged by word of the presentation.

"This is just beyond the pale," he said. "And the best we can get is Michael Steele issuing a statement through a spokesman? And they wonder why they can't get minorities, especially black people, involved in the party?"



They don't even respect their own supporters, apparently:
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The Republican National Committee drew up a memo advising its top-fundraisers how to appeal to potential donors



Unfortunately for them, one member left a copy laying around a bar where a Democratic found it and leaked it to Politico.

Apparently, the party is under no illusions about what motivates its base.
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The small donors who are the targets of direct marketing are described under the heading “Visceral Giving.” Their motivations are listed as “fear;” “Extreme negative feelings toward existing Administration;” and “Reactionary.”

Major donors, by contrast, are treated in a column headed “Calculated Giving.”

Their motivations include: “Peer to Peer Pressure”; “access”; and “Ego-Driven.”

So, let's see, you've got your paranoids, your reactionaries, your corrupt greedheads, your spineless cowards, and your all-around arrogant jerks.

What, no category for "racists," "repressed self-hating gays," "the terminally heartless" and "philandering televangelists"? I thought they were going to hit every single Republican stereotype.

http://www.ablueview.com/2010/03/rnc-taken-over-by-fearmongering-lunat
ic-fringe.html


But, hey, as River reminds us, it's only the Dems who create "imaginary enemies" to instill fear. Ay-yup! These guys really respect their supporters, and don't make up any kind of imaginary enemies, no sirreee!


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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Saw the video posted, no racial slurs or insults heard.

Got a better clip? One w/ any ACTUAL derogatory remarks heard ?

Seriously.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


kwickie -

you've lied and misrepresented my views so often, you no longer are due any respect or answer to any question.

Until you admit that I never said " I loathed my President because he was black", then you've shown yourself to be utterly disingenuous , a coward and a worthless piece of shit. Whether you childishly take my words out of context, or show that you're mind is too simple to comprehend any level of context and sarcasm, makes no difference.

I never said it. You know it. Apologize or show your complete and total idiocy.





Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And this is exactly why I will never, NEVER stand with the tea-baggers. They SAY they're for equality for everybody, but when it comes down to it, the first insults they jump to are racial and homophobic.

It broke my heart to see a man who had actually marched to Selma and had the firehoses and police dogs turned on him, called a "nigger" and spat upon by people who supposedly love the "freedom" that he fought for for all people so many years ago. It made me deeply, deeply ashamed of my country and the state of affairs here.

And the fact that so far as I've seen and heard, not one single Republican has condemned this behavior, and not one single notable Tea Party activist or leader has condemned this behavior, just makes it so much worse. It's disgusting. It's despicable. It's god damned shameful. Or would be, if these tea-baggers had any sense of shame or decency.

Barney Frank was called "faggot" by more than one person as he entered the House chamber to cast his vote. According to him and several others, it was more than a dozen people trying to shout him down. Meanwhile, several Republican lawmakers applauded those actions on the House floor, literally clapping and cheering those doing the shouting.

If this is their vision of America, then it damned well deserves to die, and the sooner the better.




This country doesn't suck Mike, but there's plenty of people living here that need their asses royally kicked. Sometimes it's just that the knuckleheads get all the press.

Well said though, huzzah! from me.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie -

you've lied and misrepresented my views so often, you no longer are due any respect or answer to any question.

Until you admit that I never said " I loathed my President because he was black", then you've shown yourself to be utterly disingenuous , a coward and a worthless piece of shit. Whether you childishly take my words out of context, or show that you're [sic] mind is too simple to comprehend any level of context and sarcasm, makes no difference.

I never said it. You know it. Apologize or show your complete and total idiocy.





You keep saying you never said it, but here again are YOUR words, which you've readily admitted are yours:

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Posted by AuRaptor on mbd.scout.com forums:


I noticed this a while ago about Obama, where he'll come out and say something to the effect that ... " Critics will tell you that my plan is going to ... ', or that " My opponents will say that .... "  Yes, they WILL tell you that, and there's  a reason....because that's exactly how they see it, and more times than not, youi're critics are correct! It's a tactic of stating the obvious, so much so, that it plays upon a shock value to deliver some sort of message. Like - " Hey... I know what you're saying about, and I'm here to show you how bold I am by putting it right back in your face. " Only with Obama, he can't  stop doing it! 

He did his little stunt again recently, where he commented during the SOTU address, where he said 95% of Americans got a tax cut. Fact was, 95% of Americans didn't get any tax cut, and there was some obvious head turning and open chuckling about that remark from Congress. 

He gave a one time tax CREDIT, with no reduction in tax rates, for  much of the population. Technically speaking, many paid a tiny fraction less in taxes, but that $$ was made up for sticking it to the rich, and on the backs of our children, as part of the Stimulus boondoggle. 

But to the point, Obama blurts out a strongly held belief or a fact, as if some how putting it out there in any way  lessens or debunks the fact.

It doesn't, but it sure is a nifty way of trying to control the talking points.

I noticed this sort of parlaying when shopping for a car once. I told the "sales manager " that I was just looking around, seeing what is available. He scoffed at me,and  in a very matter of fact, cocky  tone said ... 

" You've heard somewhere that if you don't accept the first offer, and to not buy on your first visit, that you'll get a better deal later on, is that right ? "

His ploy was to "stun" me into thinking... .wow, he knows my hand....I go no shot at dealing w/ this master mind.....what ever shall I do ?

I replied..." Yeah, that's EXACTLY what is going to happen. I'm not buying today, but thanks for your time", smiled, and  walked out.

I get annoyed when sales weasels do that sort of ..."stuff ".   I sort of expect it, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.


When my President does that..... it really pi$$es me off.  Another reason to loathe this glorified communitiy organizer. 


That, and of course, because he's  black.





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Now, I understand if you want to claim that you were just being sarcastic. But please don't keep trying to claim that you NEVER SAID IT, because quite clearly you DID say it, and you've admitted as much already. Which would make YOU the liar, and we already know you're a coward and a worthless piece of shit.

And if I'm due no answer to any question, why did you bother to post that response to me? Oh, dang - I forgot, you're not answering me...

I understand completely that you have absolutely no specifics with which to back up your earlier lies and outrageous claims that the healthcare reform bill was going to result in the destruction of our country, so I completely understand if you refuse to answer THAT question, since it's obvious to all here that you don't have any such facts or specifics, because there are none that support your lies.


Now, I believe it's YOU who owes ME an apology, but I won't hold my breath. You're not one to admit he's wrong, even when shown beyond any shadow of a doubt to me oh so wrong.



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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:41 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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If this is their vision of America, then it damned well deserves to die, and the sooner the better.


Amen, and I damn sure mean to kill it dead, dead, dead.

-F

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, this is one of the Tea Party organizers in his full glory:



But yeah, they'd NEVER do anything like that...


Yanno, I disagree with the sentiment expressed by this goon - I don't think Obama, nor Congress has been niggardly in their duties, if anything, given how firmly their idea of what they are diverges from my understanding of what they are in respect to the Constitution, they've been a little *too* enthusiastic about them - and by any means you certainly cannot realistically make an accusation of slacking unless you mean promises to close gitmo and get us the hell out of the middle east, which must take into account that all three branches must function in concert with each other, none of which has been especially helpful to one another in that regard, but still...

(yes, that's snark, but I would so dearly enjoy making that argument directly to the fool who wrote the sign just to see him try to wrap his brain around it given how he likely meant that statement)

-F

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Kwickie -

Again, I never said it, and it's clear as day.

That you feel the need to go outside of FFF.Net and stalk me on other boards, of which you're not even a member, is quite telling.

It's clear to anyone w/ an above room temp IQ who takes the time to READ the entire context of the post ,that I'm saying I hate it when my President lies to me.
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I noticed this a while ago about Obama, where he'll come out and say something to the effect that ... " Critics will tell you that my plan is going to ... ', or that " My opponents will say that .... " Yes, they WILL tell you that, and there's a reason....because that's exactly how they see it, and more times than not, youi're critics are correct! It's a tactic of stating the obvious, so much so, that it plays upon a shock value to deliver some sort of message. Like - " Hey... I know what you're saying about, and I'm here to show you how bold I am by putting it right back in your face. " Only with Obama, he can't stop doing it!



When my President does that. ( see above).... it really pi$$es me off.


Belaboring the point that I " said it " while omitting the fact that you're taking what I said COMPLETELY out of context and in effect LYING about what I said only shows you're nothing but a troll, a stalker and a pencil necked moron who has no foundation on which to argue, but is merely arguing for the sake of arguing.

Until you apologize, you get no answers.






Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Until you apologize, you get no answers.




Promise?


Why not just admit that you're lying about all of it?

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Until you apologize, you get no answers.




Promise?


Why not just admit that you're lying about all of it?




Just don't stalk me anymore, k ?




Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:07 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Just don't stalk me anymore, k ?




You love it. Just lie back & enjoy it.




The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM

GINOBIFFARONI




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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:16 PM

CHRISISALL


NO WAY!


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:17 PM

GINOBIFFARONI



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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:18 PM

CHRISISALL


Oh, that is really disturbing....


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:19 PM

GINOBIFFARONI



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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:25 PM

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him...




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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Leozak snorted. "There's always a BUT with you. Why can't you just be satisfied with me?"

She tipped her head a bit. "Because, Zak, Gaihawk knows how to make LOVE, not just have sex. I know he's been with hundreds of femmes, but he seems sincere about loving them as he goes along. He doesn't bullshit any of them - we always know where we stand with him. Gai's a great lover, both between the sheets and outside of them. You have to understand, Leozak…he shows great affection to me before, during and after making love…and often you forget to do that."

The Teal Destron looked as though he'd just been stabbed straight through the heart, and for a few seconds, Auraptor was sure she had gone too far with her little dressing-down.

"Don't call me Zak, I hate it." His temper was beginning to edge. "If Gaihawk is so perfect, why not go and raise BOTH our kids with him, huh? What's your problem Auraptor - you want your cake and eat it too, is that it?!"

"No Leozak…" she walked away from Gaihawk, towards him and placed both hands on his chest plate, smoothing it with her fingertips gently. "I want YOU. Kaizak is your son, and I know how much he means to you as well. I have seen how well Nirvana has turned out, so you can't such that bad a Father yourself, right? It's just you have to understand…Gaihawk is good for some things and I…I did enjoy him, yes."

Leozak tried not to frown or look displeased with her.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:08 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him...


And that makes it better how?

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Just don't stalk me anymore, k ?


You love it. Just lie back & enjoy it.




The laughing Chrisisall



Oh, Coach Knight.... go toss another chair onto the basketball court, why don't ya ?


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him...


And that makes it better how?





Can you show me where I said one way was "better" than another, or even implied it? I'll wait, but I don't think you can do it.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:30 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Can you show me where I said one way was "better" than another, or even implied it? I'll wait, but I don't think you can do it.


When called on your "stalkerish" behaviour, you offered that perhaps a member of a different board contacted you with info which you felt necessary to re-post here. Either way it does not paint you in a very good light, IMHO. Please remember that this is real world events discussion, not real world Auraptor discussion. Now I await your response that somehow "Rappy" means nothing to you or that I am just a sock puppet or some such.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:58 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him...




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions




I'd guess rappy was being sarcastic. It's pretty harsh 'poisoning wells' against someone when you're not faithfully quoting them (or in this case giving the benefit of the doubt at least)...

You may have made your mind up about rappy but let others do the same themselves... By all means quote him, but don't present what he's said in your own condmening light.

Heads should roll

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:03 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


BigD, I think racists and bigots ought to be outed and I generally applaud efforts to do so - my problem comes when more or less than the naked truth is used.

Heads should roll

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Can you show me where I said one way was "better" than another, or even implied it? I'll wait, but I don't think you can do it.


When called on your "stalkerish" behaviour, you offered that perhaps a member of a different board contacted you with info which you felt necessary to re-post here. Either way it does not paint you in a very good light, IMHO. Please remember that this is real world events discussion, not real world Auraptor discussion. Now I await your response that somehow "Rappy" means nothing to you or that I am just a sock puppet or some such.




I wasn't "called" on "stalkerish behaviour" - I was called a stalker. I offered an alternate take, to which you responded that that wasn't "better" - a claim which you erroneously seem to think I was making.

This became a Rappy discussion when he started discounting accounts of racist slurs being used against people of color, and then speculated that IF such language were used, it was doubtless by democrats, not tea-baggers. I remarked that it seems quite easy for him to be dismissive and cavalier about racism, given his own views on the subject.


Are you now arguing that what someone says or does in one venue should NEVER be brought up to shed light on their attitudes in any other venue or any other aspect of their life? If so, are you willing to apply that to everybody? Or are you okay with "taking things out of context" when it suits your argument?




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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him...




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions




I'd guess rappy was being sarcastic. It's pretty harsh 'poisoning wells' against someone when you're not faithfully quoting them (or in this case giving the benefit of the doubt at least)...

You may have made your mind up about rappy but let others do the same themselves... By all means quote him, but don't present what he's said in your own condmening light.

Heads should roll




I presented his quote in its entirety, faithfully quoting his entire post. How is that a "condemning light" if it's his own words being used in their fullest context?

And sure, he can claim he was being sarcastic, but he didn't claim that; he claimed he NEVER SAID IT, and that I was flat-out lying and making it up. I think I've proven quite conclusively that he was lying when he made that claim.

By the way, I seem to remember Rappy crying like a baby for DAYS when I posted that I was thinking of putting a "Run, Sarah, Run!" bumper sticker on the front of my car. I made no statement of implication that I wanted to run her or anyone else down, and yet Rappy insisted for days on end that I was advocating violence against women.

Would you say he's incapable of understanding whether I was being sarcastic or not? Was he attempting to use my words out of context?

I can't recall either you nor BDN ever weighing in on that one... Must be different when someone else does it.




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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:43 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I wasn't "called" on "stalkerish behaviour" - I was called a stalker. I offered an alternate take, to which you responded that that wasn't "better" - a claim which you erroneously seem to think I was making.


If it walks like a stalker, talks like a stalker...
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Are you now arguing that what someone says or does in one venue should NEVER be brought up to shed light on their attitudes in any other venue or any other aspect of their life? If so, are you willing to apply that to everybody? Or are you okay with "taking things out of context" when it suits your argument?


Is that why you are here Kwicko? To assasinate the character of an anonymous on-line poster? Does it really mean so much to you? Do you think you are somehow trying to win the internets? Do you think someone out there is keeping score?

If Auraptor is as bad as you seem to think he is, why not let him hang himself? Why the need to try to negatively foment other's opinions of him? Why do you take this so personally?

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:48 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

Is that why you are here Kwicko? To assasinate the character of an anonymous on-line poster? Does it really mean so much to you? Do you think you are somehow trying to win the internets? Do you think someone out there is keeping score?

If Auraptor is as bad as you seem to think he is, why not let him hang himself? Why the need to try to negatively foment other's opinions of him? Why do you take this so personally?


But that is Kwicko's gift, his true talent on these boards. In a sense he does all of us a big favor by never relenting, never admitting, and always challenging your points. Sometimes it may look brutal, but often times it's not. Maybe those that cannot deal with it don't belong here in the first place. I think about that sometimes myself.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I wasn't "called" on "stalkerish behaviour" - I was called a stalker. I offered an alternate take, to which you responded that that wasn't "better" - a claim which you erroneously seem to think I was making.


If it walks like a stalker, talks like a stalker...
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Are you now arguing that what someone says or does in one venue should NEVER be brought up to shed light on their attitudes in any other venue or any other aspect of their life? If so, are you willing to apply that to everybody? Or are you okay with "taking things out of context" when it suits your argument?


Is that why you are here Kwicko? To assasinate the character of an anonymous on-line poster? Does it really mean so much to you? Do you think you are somehow trying to win the internets? Do you think someone out there is keeping score?

If Auraptor is as bad as you seem to think he is, why not let him hang himself? Why the need to try to negatively foment other's opinions of him? Why do you take this so personally?




Why do you?

As you pointed out, this was supposed to be a real world discussion, not a real Rappy discussion. I can't help but notice that you've posted not one single thing in here about anything BUT Rappy and me and our conflict. Is that because you have nothing on-point to offer? Why take this so personally?

You've claimed in the past that often the ONLY reason you'll disagree with me on stuff is because "you rub me the wrong way". So aren't YOU doing to ME what you accuse ME of doing to Rappy? Why aren't you willing to play by the same rules you want others to play by?


By the way, aren't you essentially "stalking" me, only to assassinate MY character? What are you trying to do, win the internets or something?

Hey, if it creeps like a stalker and sneaks like a stalker...




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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:10 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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I presented his quote in its entirety, faithfully quoting his entire post. How is that a "condemning light" if it's his own words being used in their fullest context?

I meant the part where you initially declared: "After all, you DO admit to loathing your President simply because he's black."

Later on a full context was given, but what about the people who never saw that later post, and just left this thread with your initial 'presentation' of Auraptor? To those ppl he's been unjustly maligned.

Heads should roll

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:38 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


It's the logical interpretation.

Rap posted an AND statement - I loathe him b/c of this and that and that AND ... he's black.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:00 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Yeah but with a little bit of intelligence you can infer sarcasm. And a little bit of fairness you can give him the benefit of the doubt.

Heads should roll

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Yeah but with a little bit of intelligence you can infer sarcasm. And a little bit of fairness you can give him the benefit of the doubt.

Heads should roll




As pointed out previously, what I've given Rappy is EXACTLY what he's given me. If I say something snarky, he wants to run with it and claim that I've stated my core beliefs. I'm repaying him the same courtesy in kind.

Meanwhile, he claims he's only here for and only interested in honest, reasoned, mature debate. Yet for days now, I've been asking, and re-asking, for his specifics on HOW the healthcare reform bill was going to spell the annihilation and doom of the nation; I asked him to point out the specific language, the sections, chapters, clauses, paragraphs, subsections, sentences, and/or WORDS that plainly state what he claims. He's ducked that honest, reasoned, mature question for more than three days now, and says that it's not worth him responding to it.

So much for intelligence and fairness...




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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:17 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why do you?

As you pointed out, this was supposed to be a real world discussion, not a real Rappy discussion. I can't help but notice that you've posted not one single thing in here about anything BUT Rappy and me and our conflict. Is that because you have nothing on-point to offer? Why take this so personally?


I'm just responding in kind to your treatment of Auraptor. I mean isn't that your thing? You can dish it out but you can't take it?
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You've claimed in the past that often the ONLY reason you'll disagree with me on stuff is because "you rub me the wrong way". So aren't YOU doing to ME what you accuse ME of doing to Rappy? Why aren't you willing to play by the same rules you want others to play by?


And around and around we go.
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, aren't you essentially "stalking" me, only to assassinate MY character? What are you trying to do, win the internets or something?

Hey, if it creeps like a stalker and sneaks like a stalker...


...it must be Kwicko.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why do you?

As you pointed out, this was supposed to be a real world discussion, not a real Rappy discussion. I can't help but notice that you've posted not one single thing in here about anything BUT Rappy and me and our conflict. Is that because you have nothing on-point to offer? Why take this so personally?


I'm just responding in kind to your treatment of Auraptor. I mean isn't that your thing? You can dish it out but you can't take it?



Oh, by all means, feel free. Just stop crying about how it's not fair, especially if you're going to behave the same way.

Quote:


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You've claimed in the past that often the ONLY reason you'll disagree with me on stuff is because "you rub me the wrong way". So aren't YOU doing to ME what you accuse ME of doing to Rappy? Why aren't you willing to play by the same rules you want others to play by?


And around and around we go.



You must be dizzy from all that spinning you're doing!

Quote:


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, aren't you essentially "stalking" me, only to assassinate MY character? What are you trying to do, win the internets or something?

Hey, if it creeps like a stalker and sneaks like a stalker...


...it must be BigDamnNobody.





Fixed that for ya!




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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:49 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, by all means, feel free. Just stop crying about how it's not fair, especially if you're going to behave the same way.


Please feel free to show me where I said it's not fair. Go ahead, I'm waiting patiently.
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
...it must be BigDamnNobody.

Fixed that for ya!


Try being clever without riffing on someone elses words for a change. See if you can make your point without parroting back someone's thoughts. Go ahead, I'm waiting patiently.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:17 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Meanwhile, he claims he's only here for and only interested in honest, reasoned, mature debate. Yet for days now, I've been asking, and re-asking, for his specifics on HOW the healthcare reform bill was going to spell the annihilation and doom of the nation; I asked him to point out the specific language, the sections, chapters, clauses, paragraphs, subsections, sentences, and/or WORDS that plainly state what he claims. He's ducked that honest, reasoned, mature question for more than three days now, and says that it's not worth him responding to it.

So much for intelligence and fairness...



I'm not going to defend his debating form, I think it's bad, but with the personal stuff consider burying the hatchet - it would make for a better atmosphere for other ppl on these boards.

Heads should roll

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, by all means, feel free. Just stop crying about how it's not fair, especially if you're going to behave the same way.


Please feel free to show me where I said it's not fair. Go ahead, I'm waiting patiently.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
...it must be BigDamnNobody.

Fixed that for ya!


Try being clever without riffing on someone elses words for a change. See if you can make your point without parroting back someone's thoughts. Go ahead, I'm waiting patiently.




Right after you show me where I said one way of showing Rappy to be an ass was "better" than the other. I've been waiting all day for that. Go ahead. I'm patient.

Which, by the way, your parroting back my thoughts, and your parroting back my treatment of Rappy (responding in kind, as you said) aren't exactly original. See if you can be as clever without copying me. Go ahead. I'm waiting.


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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:19 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Citizen, is that you?

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by kpo:
I'm not going to defend his debating form, I think it's bad, but with the personal stuff consider burying the hatchet


Only if it's between his eyes.

You may not have been here for it, but I spent like six weeks of the latter part of 2008 TRYING like hell to reach out, find some common ground, treat him like a decent person, and he wouldn't have none of it, that ain't what he wants, cause he's a freakin troll, and so mentally unstable I had at one point actually begun to worry about his real life mental health to the point where I quit even messing with him cause I couldn't morally justify driving someone to a breakdown over it.

That bein the case, I just mostly refuse to even acknowledge his existence, freedom of speech and association also includes the freedom to not speak to someone, to not associate with em, and I chose that path as the lesser harm.

-F

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