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On Dick Cheney (I guess you can call it ideological...)

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, January 4, 2010 12:37
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Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...if you want to. But I find it fascinating...the things that come out of his mouth! Besides, anyone who still takes Cheney seriously needs help. For someone so secretive that he had his house pixelated out on Google and who said virtually nothing for eight years, the man continues to amaze me.
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The White House responded forcefully Wednesday to former Vice President Dick Cheney's criticism of President Obama's response to the botched terror attack on Christmas Day.

"It is telling that Vice President Cheney and others seem to be more focused on criticizing the Administration than condemning the attackers," White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer wrote on the official White House blog. "Unfortunately too many are engaged in the typical Washington game of pointing fingers and making political hay, instead of working together to find solutions to make our country safer."

Nigerian suspect Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab, 23, is accused of trying to blow up the Northwest Airlines plane with explosives that had been concealed in his underwear. He is charged with attempting to destroy an aircraft.

The militant group al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has claimed responsibility for the plot.

Pfeiffer's response came hours after Cheney, in his first statement on the failed bombing, said the administration's response was proof that Obama "is trying to pretend we are not at war."

"He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we won't be at war," Cheney said in the statement. "He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of 9/11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we won't be at war. He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core al Qaeda-trained terrorists still there, we won't be at war."

Cheney also said Obama outwardly "pretends we aren't [at war]," and the former vice president repeated his months-long criticism that the new president has made America "less safe."

"Why doesn't he want to admit we're at war?" Cheney asked. "It doesn't fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval Office. It doesn't fit with what seems to be the goal of his presidency: social transformation, the restructuring of American society."

In his blog posting, Pfeiffer criticized the Bush-Cheney strategy of focusing the war on terror on Iraq.

"For seven years after 9/11, while our national security was overwhelmingly focused on Iraq -- a country that had no al Qaeda presence before our invasion -- Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda's leadership was able to set up camp in the border region of Pakistan and Afghanistan, where they continued to plot attacks against the United States," Pfeiffer wrote.

"Meanwhile, al Qaeda also regenerated in places like Yemen and Somalia, establishing new safe-havens that have grown over a period of years," Pfeiffer continued. "It was President Obama who finally implemented a strategy of winding down the war in Iraq, and actually focusing our resources on the war against al Qaeda."

By doubling U.S. troops in Afghanistan and building partnerships to target al Qaeda's safe havens in Yemen and Somalia, Obama has achieved results to make the nation safer, Pfeiffer argued.

"Seven years of bellicose rhetoric failed to reduce the threat from al Qaeda and succeeded in dividing this country," Pfeiffer said. "And it seems strangely off-key now, at a time when our country is under attack, for the architect of those policies to be attacking the president."

Pfeiffer also took issue with Cheney's contention that Obama was pretending no U.S. war with terrorists existed, saying the president and members of his administration have referred to being at war with al Qaeda several times.

"The difference is this: President Obama doesn't need to beat his chest to prove it, and -- unlike the last Administration -- we are not at war with a tactic ("terrorism"), we at war with something that is tangible: al Qaeda and its violent extremist allies," Pfeiffer wrote.

Cheney's comments were his latest criticisms of the new administration. He previously declared that Obama has put the country's security at an elevated level of risk as a result of a string of national security decisions that largely were at odds with Bush administration practices.

The former vice president's forceful critique of Obama has been praised by the political right, leading the conservative publication Human Events to award him the title of "Conservative of the Year."

Cheney's statements also echo those of congressional Republicans who have criticized Obama's response to the terrorist attempt.

Democrats note that Bush was not subjected to criticisms from either Democrats or the media when he waited six days to respond to Richard Reid's attempted shoe-bombing of an airplane on December 22, 2001. Like Obama, Bush was on vacation when that botched attack occurred.

GOP members of Congress have also sharply questioned how AbdulMutallab could fly in the first place after his own father had warned U.S. intelligence authorities that his son was possibly under the influence of religious extremists.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said the White House isn't sharing information.

Meanwhile, Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, whom Democrats blame for holding up the confirmation of Obama's nominee to head the Transportation Security Administration, said the new administration has "downplayed terrorism."

Responding to the criticism, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen said in a statement to CNN that Republicans have become "out of touch in their efforts to score political points" off the failed bombing attempt.

Yeah, it's predictable bullshit from both sides, but it's almost amusing to hear Cheney spout off after they released people from Gitmo who went on to become terrorists, gave rights to the Shoe Bomber exactly like those proposed for this guy, ignored the Afghan connection to go running off to Iraq, and screwed virtually everything up. Is this man mad, or just ignoring reality to try and diss Obama and recover his own "legacy"?




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Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Cheney is what McCarthy woulda become if McCarthy had found himself in that position.

And history has proven McCarthy was a lunatic.

-F

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Friday, January 1, 2010 5:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


How can he not be dead yet?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, January 1, 2010 5:36 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


meant to post & comment on this story myself.

I love the quotes. " WAR!" we're at WAR! It's a WAR!" On and on... repetitious.

We got the message, Deadeye. And also the one about the Sun rising in the East.

We didn't like what Cheney and Bush did while they were President. We don't want their advice now that they're not.

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Friday, January 1, 2010 5:49 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
How can he not be dead yet?


Only the good die young, this makes him, much like Kissinger, all but immortal.

-F

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Friday, January 1, 2010 6:26 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Cheney is what McCarthy woulda become if McCarthy had found himself in that position.

And history has proven McCarthy was a lunatic.

-F


Yes, Cheney's quite mad. Yet he was allowed to hunt and to rule. Strange place, America.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, January 1, 2010 7:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Frem, absolutely right on target. So the question is: which of them was sincere? I've read that McCarthy locked onto his "communist!" thing to get attention and didn't really believe it, but I don't know. From what I read, it was a ploy, and he was bastard enough to use it to the extreme, but he wasn't a lunatic, actually not a very bright guy... And Cheney; is he as cynical as it would seems from the totally unbelievable shit he spouts, or does he actually BELIEVE all that bull?? I've always wondered.

Nonetheless, you're right, the good die young and we'll be stuck with Cheney forever and a day as a result. Think he sold his soul to the devil? I sometimes wonder about THAT possibility, too...

And yes, Chris, it IS strange...but you'd have to test any other country which suffered the kind of attack we did and who they'd put in power, not recognizing the danger of that person...eh? Because to the majority of the populace, Cheney didn't look that dangerous at the time...and they wanted Bush, so he came with the package.



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Friday, January 1, 2010 7:47 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Think he sold his soul to the devil?

One usually does not sell something to one's self.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, I don't give him that much credit, hee, hee, hee!



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Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:33 AM

CHRISISALL


You're right; he's probably just a minion.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:38 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


" On Dick Cheney (I guess you can call it ideological...) "


should change ideological to pathological





Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 12:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
should change ideological to pathological

Gino, why do you hate American scumbags?



The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 6:52 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mmmm, yup Chris, that's a good one. Minion.

Gino, were you referring to me? I've been accused of posting things that were "ideological"; I kinda hope you're not saying that my posting this was "pathological"...?



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Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:02 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I kinda hope you're not saying that my posting this was "pathological"...?


I think Gino was commenting on your kindness in describing Cheney...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:04 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I kinda hope you're not saying that my posting this was "pathological"...?


I think Gino was commenting on your kindness in describing Cheney...


The laughing Chrisisall




LMAO Chris is on the money as usual




Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Monday, January 4, 2010 9:37 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
How can he not be dead yet?


Only the good die young, this makes him, much like Kissinger, all but immortal.

-F



That , and the fact that he's a Cyborg with nearly unlimited funding...

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Monday, January 4, 2010 12:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
How can he not be dead yet?


Only the good die young, this makes him, much like Kissinger, all but immortal.

-F



That , and the fact that he's a Cyborg with nearly unlimited funding...



And a near-constant supply of fresh babies to eat...

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Monday, January 4, 2010 12:37 PM

BYTEMITE


Babies? I have it from a good source that he dines on the souls of broken unicorns and drinks the tears of fallen angels.

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