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Friday, October 9, 2009 10:42 AM

DREAMTROVE


The Peace Prize is supposed to be about "Peace." That would be in the old sense of the word. Here's an example of some good uses of the prize:

Teddy Roosevelt negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese war. That was peace. He got the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

Teddy Roosevelt negotiated an end to the Egypt-Israeli conflict. That was peace. He got the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

Some people may do great things, but if it ain't peace, it doesn't deserve a peace prize. Lately, the prize committee has been getting dumb. Something is in the water.

Al Gore made a movie about global warming. Regardless of whether or not I thought it was a crock, and yes, I did see the movie, and was expecting better, the fact is: It ain't peace. It's a movie bringing awareness to an environmental issue. You can give it an oscar, or some award for public awareness, or some green environmental award, but giving Gore the nobel Peace Prize for it is just d.u.m.b.

Now, I have to say, Obama's comments were good. He said that he thought it was premature, he hadn't really brought any peace yet. But particularly, I like this: He said Malia came into the kitchen and said "Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize *and* it's Bo's birthday! Also, we have a three day weekend!" He added "Really put things in perspective.

Remember, lot of us have issues with the Obama administration, even if we like the guy, but this one is not his fault. If anything, I think it's probably a nudge from the international community to get us to behave better, and reward us for getting rid of Bush, which is out of place, we really completely failed to get rid of Bush, his term just expired. While it's true the same happened to Tony Blair and Valdimir Putin, and they're still around, but this isn't Obama's doing.


Now a little aside, and this is meant to be helpful:

Wulf,

When you came on this board, I wasn't at all negative towards you. Over time, I got sick of your baggage. Here's why: It's all about you, and your issues. There's some folk on the forum who have gotten an awful lot of flack, even what I might call an overdose of vicera, but who still overwhelmingly post about (not them).

My thoughts? Find an issue or two, that has *nothing* to do with you, and research it, get concerned. look into stuff that people talk about here. Make some comments, informed comments. I don't know what your area of expertise is, but *everyone* has something to contribute. (yes, even whozit, and yes folks, auraptor too... no, I'm not kidding.)

Here's the catch: *no one* wants to deal with your issues, or anyone elses. Sure, when someone posts regularly about various topics, and then suddenly they have a problem, we all come together and try to pitch in to help. A lot of people who disagreed with Rue 100% of the time, still did their level best to help her with her health problems.

So, do you have a point somewhere on the imbalance of race policy in the united states? Probably, somewhere, you do, but you've really burned any credibility on the issue some time ago, and now you just sound like a broken record. It's like if Pirate News were suddenly to weigh in on how to fix the situation in Israel. It would be kinda hard to get takers, esp. jewish ones, considering the groundwork he's laid out.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, you wife is latina, right? I remember you posting a pic of the two of you a while back. If I'm not mistaken, there's a very serious racial issue in this country right now, that we are re-instituting a policy of national racism, as if the whole civil rights movement never happened, only now, the target is the latin population. 45 million Americans are subject to some fairly heavy discrimination, and even during the whole moron Joe Wilson "you lie" incident, no one that I saw in the media mentioned that the president was at the time stating a policy of institutionalized racism against the latin population. The person who brought that up on the board IIRC was me. I don't know a lot of latinos, I know a few, but this isn't an *issue* in upstate NY. If someone here is cuban or mexican, I think there's not a second thought that goes into that. But in California, and Texas, this is a major issue, and now it's becoming national policies that native spanish speakers and people of native american descent are being treated as second class citizens. Someone just posted something about the new INS policy of racial profiling that all native spanish speakers are going to be suspected of "illegal" status, a very dubious concept to begin with. We all know where this is leading. People with spanish/latino accents are being asked to see proof of citizenship when they get stopped for random traffic violations. This is absurd, and it's national policy. Okay, as PN posted, the President is trying to do something about this, I don't share his take on it, I share Frem's, but this is an issue. One of many.

Just step outside yourself, care about something, and ultimately, people will care about you. Stick to your guns, care about yourself, and no one will care.

You can disagree with me all you want, I just hope you recognize that I took the time to try to address this straight up, rather than flaming you.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 10:43 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Here Wulf... You get one too, so don't feel left out!"

WOOHOO!


Here Sig, heres one for you too!


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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:02 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


" Teddy Roosevelt negotiated an end to the Egypt-Israeli conflict. That was peace. He got the Nobel Peace Prize for it. "

I think you meant Jimmy Carter


Funny many called Carter a useless President, I thought he had many good points.

And Teddy Roosevelt I feel was exceptional in many ways




I think Obamas undoing of the anti Cuban relationship the US has had going might also deserve an award...

But it is a little early






" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:12 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Ok, fine.

How does the Nobel Peace prize have anything to do with me?

Other than I think its being given wrongly, to a man who hasn't earned it, and in direct violation of all that its supposed to mean?

AND for reasons having nothing to do with its initial purposes.... in fact, for purely political reasons?

I can be upset about that. Without issue, I can be mad about that.

As to the imbalance on race policy here in the U.S....

Its a shell game, IMHO.

Just don't get caught in the middle.

ETA: You can be black, and pulled over for driving while black. Or be white, and pulled over for being in a black neighborhood. You can be latino, and have your citizenship checked.

Its all B.S.

Its a shell game that people play to make themselves feel better.

Granted, stereotypes have truth to them, but it isn't the whole truth.

You've got to take each person as they are.

Even with the baggage their past and their culture brings.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Wulf ?

Seriously, enough, dude.


Anthony
Quote:

We have awarded someone for not being someone else.

I take no pride in this.


We're not supposed to, it's their way of shaming us for having tolerated such a goon in charge of a country once respected (if not liked) a lot more than it is now.

And it worked, cause I *am* ashamed, I think, at some point, we all are - and some of us are angry about it, even me, in a sad kind of way, not just because they lowered themselves so to take a slap at us - but because we cannot even pretend it wasn't deserved.

Speakin of deserved...
*glances sideways at Wulf*
You made your point, ok ?
No need to be a COMPLETE ass about it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:19 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Speakin of deserved...
*glances sideways at Wulf*
You made your point, ok ?
No need to be a COMPLETE ass about it."

Sorry.

Just a little used to having to smack people over the heads plenty of times until they get it.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:19 AM

WULFENSTAR

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"Speakin of deserved...
*glances sideways at Wulf*
You made your point, ok ?
No need to be a COMPLETE ass about it."

Sorry.

Just a little used to having to smack people over the heads plenty of times until they get it.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:31 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:


Sorry.


All right.
NOW you get the peace prize.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 11:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
People ought to boo when the referee or judges of a match make a bad call.


The Nobel Prize is decided upon by a private group of five peeps. It is not an official or governmental organization. They can toss it off to anyone they see fit to, and often with a potentially political/humanitarian promotion in mind.
If they wanted to give it to Howard Stern for promoting love over war, they could.
This is too much concern over too little issue, IMO.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:19 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


I just can't get over how mad the right is at HIM for having been given this. Like it was his fault - hilarious! And you know that before this morning none of them cared about the last 20 winners, "Nibblet Peas Prize - huh?"

Reality: like Chris said it's for them to give to whomever they want to give it to. It's like complaining about best picture.

Sorry Anthony, while I agree that there are many more deserving groups, giving to them and the prize would just disappear. Think marketing - this is a bonanza for them - next year people will talk about it again. Even Peace Prizes need attention.

And Obama?! I'm honestly getting kind of sick of hearing his name - it's all anyone wants to talk about, radio tv , 'net Obama, Obama, Obama... hey, wait a sec'... if I wanted to give someone something that would promote my beliefs, like say trying to spread the ideal of peace to the world, would it be smart to give it to some Rwandan Nurse? Or the guy who has shown promise and who EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT?

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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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No, Wulf, Mike's right. He's not black. Actually, he really isn't. He's no genetic relation to the people with whom you have such a problem. He did live in a black neighborhood, but then so did I. Wait? Am I black? Uh oh. Wulf also lived in a black neighborhood, that makes him black too!



Dang, guess that makes me black, too. Hopefully y'all won't think less of me knowing that I'm black now. 'Course, some will argue that they couldn't possibly think less of me no matter what... ;)

Quote:


Seriously, the "not W" is part of it, but "OMG, it's a liberal! (committee orgasms)" angle here cannot be ignored.



Unfortunately, I have to agree with this. I wish it were otherwise.

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Finally, there's another angle: The prize is often awarded to assholes who are a menace, as a Dale Carnegie approach to get them to change their behavior. This is why it was given to Yasser Arafat. It gives them a high standard to live up to. "I'm a man of peace. Me!"

Oh no. That might be it. We've been voted the world's biggest asshole. Hmm. considering the amount of chaos we're currently causing, is this true. Have we become the world's biggest asshole state?

I remember a few years ago, every tin plated dictator like Chavez, Mugabe etc. would denounce the US to gain creds, and distract from their own evils. But are we now in the same position? Are we the tin plated dictatorship that points fingers at Venezuela and Iran because we are just trying to deflect attention away from who really dealt it?



That's an angle I hadn't even considered, and one that probably SHOULD BE considered. Did they do it to try to stop him from becoming another Dubya? If so, why didn't they ever give it to Dub - oh shit, I can't even TYPE that with a straight face! :)

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Just a little used to having to smack people over the heads plenty of times until they get it.
Yeah, 'cause all that smackin' really promotes understanding.

Dooood... here's the thing. While I personally think the Peace Prize was undeserved... I can guarantee the Committee does NOT have your racial prejudices! I doubt, therefore, that the award had anything to do with lowered expectations for blacks.

Funny how no matter where YOU look, you see yourself... same prejudices and all? Huh?


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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Least retarted?

Ironic , eh ?

I believe it's the first time I ever used the word in a sentance before. Sorry. Product of public education here.
I was a child left behind...


The laughing Chrisisall



"Sentence".

Keep trying, though.





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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Skywalken:
Meet the People Who Were Passed Over for Obama

Okay, you made a good point. Really.


The laughing Chrisisall



Pete Seeger and U2's Bono were also nominated. Either of them has done more for actual peace than Obama has.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:51 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Another thing to add to my list:

Negotiating with N Korea.

NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran, and, in fact, indicating that the US will engage in high level talks AND stand with the world community to develop a common response.

Closing down Gitmo (in the last few days more former prisoners have been released to countries willing to take them, but it takes time to negotiate all the details of all the people there.)

Shutting down SDI, which was a major source of tension with Russia.

Willing to discuss global warming.

AND

I think Obamas undoing of the anti Cuban relationship the US has had going might also deserve an award...

Any more things he's done to promote world peace ? And all while dealing with Bush's economic meltdown !

OK - I gotta say with him doing all that in such a short time - and under the crises he inherited - when I put it THAT way - what a guy !
***************************************************************

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Friday, October 9, 2009 12:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Sentence".

Keep trying, though.





MORTAL! YOU HAVE EARNED THIS!
*raises hand to throw bolt*
*Leslie Parish stops him*

You, you, you, that's what you are!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Im sitting here everyday, trying to inspire hope, strength and peace. Hope for the future. Something where we can ALL live with freedom, hope and liberty.

Where is my fucking medal?



I think you get it after you get 65 million people to vote for you.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I wish he would decline the award, and say, "I'm sorry. I haven't earned this yet. I will strive to be deserving of it someday. Until then, please give it to someone better suited."

THAT would be a start to greatness.


Amen, Anthony - and that ain't a word I use often.

Oh, and Wulfie ?
Ain't about race, it's about delivering a vicious backhanded insult to America for ever tolerating Bush in the first place.

I don't like the taste of a slap like that any more than you do, but honor demands I admit we had it coming.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it



I'll give Ant'ny and "Amen" as well. Declining it would be the right thing to do, and would be a huge show of class.

Of course, the righties would then say that Obama insulted the Nobel committee by doing so...

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Personally, I think the outrage is misplaced. There are far worse recipients of the prize. And in the grand scheme of things, who gets the prize is not going to change the world either way. I would prefer outrage directed at starvation, war, brutal treatment of humans - especially women and young girls who are so frequently victimized by religion and custom - anything but outrage over this. What is this, really ? To me this whole thing is a non-issue, completely unsubstantive. MEH - it is nothing.

So while I can say that I am pleased that a US president got the prize, I can also say that this particular item is way down on my list of importance.

But as a target for comment, it certainly has been illuminating to see where people stand and what arguments they bring to the table.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.



Hello Rue,

I don't think anyone has placed this on par with world hunger, the plight of abused women and children, or general global sins against humanity.

There are several recipients of the award that make me shake my head. And while I will not declare this most recent inappropriate award to be the most heinous of inappropriate awards, I will neither declare it to be 'okay' since there have been worse offenses.

I do agree it is illuminating to see what arguments people bring to the table. I haven't heard anything that justifies the award. It is my opinion that most sensible people should see this event as unfortunate. It brings no glory, no honor, no attention to critical world events. It holds up no accomplished principle or practice. Instead of highlighting the struggles and travails of folks who agonize through the trenches of world peace and goodwill to their fellow man... instead of inviting the world eye to look towards the abused and valiant women's rights struggle in the east...

We have awarded someone for not being someone else.

I take no pride in this.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner




Bingo. And while I still maintain that being "Not Bush" is an accomplishment in itself, it's not worthy of a Nobel prize. My dog has started fewer wars than Bush, but that's hardly prize-worthy (although I *do* tend to spoil her with treats whenever possible...)

As Obama is fond of pointing out, this CAN BE a "teachable moment"; it could be a moment of great honor, humility, and integrity - if he were to decline the award because he isn't yet worthy of it.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Cavalier:
Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter got the Nobel Peace Prize, I should think that Bill Clinton must be feeling a bit left out.



He got his own "Piece Prize"... if you know what I mean.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Give it up Wulf. You're at the point of looking like a buffoon.

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Silence is consent.



Actually, if he were looking for the point at which he started looking like a buffoon, he'd need to look behind him. With a very powerful telescope.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Sentence".

Keep trying, though.





MORTAL! YOU HAVE EARNED THIS!
*raises hand to throw bolt*
*Leslie Parish stops him*

You, you, you, that's what you are!


The laughing Chrisisall



You dare call me "mortal"?

Kneel before Zod!

(Actually, I was just yankin' yer chain. Thanks for taking it in the spirit of jest in which it was intended.)

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Another thing to add to my list:

Negotiating with N Korea.

NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran, and, in fact, indicating that the US will engage in high level talks AND stand with the world community to develop a common response.

Closing down Gitmo (in the last few days more former prisoners have been released to countries willing to take them, but it takes time to negotiate all the details of all the people there.)

Shutting down SDI, which was a major source of tension with Russia.

Willing to discuss global warming.

AND

I think Obamas undoing of the anti Cuban relationship the US has had going might also deserve an award...

Any more things he's done to promote world peace ? And all while dealing with Bush's economic meltdown !

OK - I gotta say with him doing all that in such a short time - and under the crises he inherited - when I put it THAT way - what a guy !
***************************************************************

Silence is consent.



I don't disagree with any particular point, Ma'am.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:47 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Another thing to add to my list:

Negotiating with N Korea.

NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran, and, in fact, indicating that the US will engage in high level talks AND stand with the world community to develop a common response.

Closing down Gitmo (in the last few days more former prisoners have been released to countries willing to take them, but it takes time to negotiate all the details of all the people there.)

Shutting down SDI, which was a major source of tension with Russia.

Willing to discuss global warming.

AND

I think Obamas undoing of the anti Cuban relationship the US has had going might also deserve an award...

Any more things he's done to promote world peace ? And all while dealing with Bush's economic meltdown !

OK - I gotta say with him doing all that in such a short time - and under the crises he inherited - when I put it THAT way - what a guy !
***************************************************************

Silence is consent.




"NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran"

He sure blew that at the G20, when he rattled sabres... for no reason at all








" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Sorry for the flurry of late replies. Just got in from a VERY busy afternoon at work. Stuff finally showed up - late - and left me scrambling to try to catch up!

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:53 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Speakin of deserved...
*glances sideways at Wulf*
You made your point, ok ?
No need to be a COMPLETE ass about it."

Sorry.

Just a little used to having to smack people over the heads plenty of times until they get it.









" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, October 9, 2009 1:56 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:












" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939



This is absolutely disgusting. "Ha, ha, look at the retarded people!" is about as funny and insightful as "Ha, ha, look at the black people!" I mean, I know RWED's supposed to be the scum trap, but shit like this is really low.

Also, Chrisisall, I know you can do better:

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
How about "OMG, it's not a 100% piece of SHIT!" angle? In a world like this, of COURSE we reward the least retarded! Sheesh!



A witty saying proves nothing. - Voltaire

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Friday, October 9, 2009 2:02 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


You guys might be right.

I think I do have some growing up to do.

Not saying Im wrong, (all the time at least), just that I need to seriously re-consider some of my knee-jerk reactions.

Thanks everyone.


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Friday, October 9, 2009 2:59 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Seriously, enough, dude



Frem, I envy your brevity.


Mike,

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why didn't they ever give it to Dub - oh shit, I can't even TYPE that with a straight face! :)


Neither could they. Also, there are two other factors to consider:

No one knew Bush was going to start a war, and then get re-elected, and by the time they knew they were stuck with Bush going to war, it would have looked even more absurd. It would be sometime at the end of 2005, when they could have tried this tactic, and here are just a few problems with that:

1. It would have look about as respectable as giving the best picture award to McDonald's "I'd hit it" commercial.

2. It was painfully obvious that hitting him repeatedly over the head with a sledge hammer or giving him his own island wouldn't have had any impact on Bush, so more subtle carrot and stick measures would have to be discarded out of hand.

3. He wouldn't meet any of the other qualifications. I mean, he is retarded, so they might award that. Oh wait, that's the oscars.

Seriously though, it is a committee, and so people on it have different criteria. I still thought that Christopher Hill+KJI would have been a better move than Al Gore.

No one should get angry at Obama over this, as he is the recipient. But it does make things look bad, as did the Chicago vote. I posted the list, am I right in thinking that no one voted for us outside of our own puppet govts? That's sad. Esp. when the last time Rio held a major international event, they slaughtered a few hundred homeless children to make the city look nicer.


Kathy,

Lots of sabre-rattling towards Iran. NK, Gitmo not sure yet. Remember, the Bush admin got KJI to halt his nuclear program, as did the Clintons, and with secret prisons, if Gitmo should close, people would just disappear to somewhere that the red cross *didn't* have access to.

SDI, was not shut down, missiles were redirected towards Iran. That's actually more likely to end in war than any brinksmanship with Russia.

global warming isn't peace, it's environment.

You have a potential point on Cuba, but it hasn't happened yet. Wait 'til it does.

Meanwhile, we have WWIII starting over in South Asia, and Obama might not be intending to, but that's what his govt. is doing, and I can only cut the guy so much slack for so long...

Quote:

Any more things he's done to promote world peace ? And all while dealing with Bush's economic meltdown !


It's Obama's economic meltdown now. I'm afraid that Obama is not an economist, and despite campaign promises, he hasn't appointed any decent ones to prominent economic posts. At this rate, the Obama debt could dwarf the Bush debt at the end of his second year.

As for world peace, tell that to the families of nearly 1500 American soldiers killed under Obama's command. There's no excuse for this. It doesn't matter how much Bush sucks, Bush isn't a measuring stick. That would be like commending Putin for not being Yeltsin... or Stalin.

Quote:

Gino:
"NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran"

He sure blew that at the G20, when he rattled sabres... for no reason at all


yes, there have been whole threads on this topic right here.

Quote:

Me summarize:
Mike agreed with Frem agreeing with Tony with the whole Amen thing


I'll add and amen and a hail mary, mozoltov and whatever muslims say. In Obama's defense he kinda agrees, he made some comment about "Isn't this a little premature?" Also he declared today Lief Eriksson day or something

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Friday, October 9, 2009 5:15 PM

HKCAVALIER


(Edited to change an "n" to a "q." )

Jeez, man, where do I begin?

When I come across something that doesn't make sense immediately, rather than simply jump in with snap judgements, I try to ask myself the question, "How does this make sense?" It's saved me a lot of empty fury and confusion in my life.

The reaction here is bizarre. I'm shocked at the breadth of agreement on this issue.

I was surprised by this award, but then I thought about it. Like Rue, I got no problem with this prize going to Obama this year. It's not some kinda "Lifetime Achievement Award" or "Thank You For Curing Cancer Award." It's a yearly acknowledgement of one person who may have had the greatest impact on the world in the name of peace in the last 12 months.

I think part of the problem y'all are having has to do with how much this is a matter of really being the right person in the right place at the right time, and not, y'know, ruggedly and individualistically achieving some heroic end or other.

And fer cryin' out-loud he didn't get the award for "not being Bush." It's so much bigger than that. If any one of the other major candidates had won the Presidency last year, the world would still be holding its breath, wondering what was the next country we were going to destroy (yeah I know, some of you think Obama's gonna roll our tanks into Iran, but, I dare say, the world does not share those fears).

I'm sorry, but everyone gets down on Obama for just saying "pretty words" but they're pretty words that people all over the world take to heart. They are game changing, at a moment in history when if the game didn't change, things were gonna get really, deeply ugly (I mean for the world).

The big, big problem between the Middle East and the West is NOT Israel, that's just the latest indignity in their eyes. For the folks over there, the Crusades never quite ended. The sun set on the British Empire, sure, but before you know it, the U.S. stepped in with our military bases to continue an ongoing campaign of destabilization and marginalization of the Muslim world. More and more of the architects of Bush's policy in the Middle East have been exposed as honest to goodness neo-crusaders who think of themselves as spiritual heirs of the Templar Knights. We went to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill us some Muslims. This has been well known to the folks on the ground over there and we're just catching up.

So, Obama, a man who's father was born in Africa and raised a Muslim, comes to Cairo as the President of the United States, the vaunted leader of the free world, and tells them, not only in words, but in the very fact of his being who he is, that the Crusades are finally ending. Within a DAY, people are protesting in the streets in Iran on a scale not seen since the Shah. Obama is a man whom the world is listening to and what he's got to say to the world is in the service of peace.

And as I say, the world can breath again. When they look over at the American continent they don't have to wince. They don't have to dread a visitation from our President anymore or fear what they'll read of our shenanigans in the morning news.

And far from an insult to the American people, I see it as a validation of our having turned back from the precipice and returned as a friend to the world. I think the Nobel folks try to look at the big picture and I think from that angle Obama looks pretty good for this award.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 5:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by yinyang:


Also, Chrisisall, I know you can do better:


Sorry, I was responding to idiocy with idiocy- my very bad.
*hangs head in shame*


The apologetic Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 5:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:

And far from an insult to the American people, I see it as a validation of our having turned back from the precipice and returned as a friend to the world. I think the Nobel folks try to look at the big picture and I think from that angle Obama looks pretty good for this award.


I love you man. Like, REALLY love you & your response here. And that's not the cordrazine talkin'.

Seriously, that's the difinitive post on this thead IMO.
Eff the peeps that want to throw a negative light on this event. Obama accepted the award with supreme humility & connection to more than himself or our country.



The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 6:49 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I must tip my proverbial hat to Cavalier's well-made argument. I do not find myself in full agreement, but I find myself fully moved.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:11 AM

HKCAVALIER


Thanks Anthony and Chris for your kind words.

It does interest me that we here in America seem so often to isolate ourselves psychologically from the rest of the world. We just don't seem to even want to know what's going on in "their" heads--or we simply presume the worst. I honestly doubt that the Nobel Committee is attempting to manipulate U.S. policy with this award. What kind of absurd presumption would that be? Barack Obama may be many things, but he's not a gullible child.

The folks I know from Europe and the Middle East seem to concern themselves with the rest of the world pretty naturally--they tend to feel it's absolutely necessary to do so. They tend to see themselves as, yes, citizens of the world, but here in the States, such thinking is even demonized by some as a kind of threat.

I imagine our indifference is bolstered by the fact that we haven't had a war on our soil for well over a century. We suffer one attack on a single day in 2001 (catastrophic as it was) and within a year we're holding the ENTIRE FRICKEN WORLD hostage, threatening EVERYONE that if we don't like you, if we even suspect that you're playing nice with our supposed enemies, then we just might need to destroy you, too. That was freakin' POLICY in this country until a year ago!

Y'know, I went to two high schools. My first high school was in a Latino neighborhood and "whites" actually weren't a majority of the student body. We had gangs and everything, but the gangs looked like something out of the movies, fully integrated racially, complete with the ginger kid who buttoned just the top button of his flannel shirts and called folks "ese" and "vato." I didn't see much real heartfelt racism to speak of at all there.

Then I transferred to one of the richest, whitest districts in Northern California. I think there were 2 black kids in my whole school. And oh my gawd, the racist b.s. I heard every dang day! All these white kids seemed to talk about were "beeners" and "wetbacks" and in the most disgusting terms possible. It was quite an education.

So, in my experience, racism and xenophobia--phobias of all kinds, come to think of it--are nurtured not by proximity and interaction with the thing that we fear, but by isolation and avoidance--by the dominion over reality by our fantasies. Racism isn't based on real, tangible genetic differences or physiognomy (talk like that simply grants racism far more legitimacy than it surely deserves)--it's based on fear and attaches to whomever you can think of as different enough to consider them the "other."

Perhaps with the Internet and a half-Kenyan President we are seeing our supremacist isolationism begin its long, lonely trek to join the dinosaurs and the dodo in extinction.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA



One could hope so, HK, one could hope so.

Although one of the disadvantages to the internet is that it also encourages social isolation itself, which leads to a lack of interpersonal skills and empathic reactions which can only be gained in a face to face manner.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:03 AM

PIRATENEWS

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The Nobel vote was rigged.

Just like the presidential election.

Now he wants to kill granny.



And the crowd cheered...

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:14 PM

DREAMTROVE


HK

Damn, I wrote a very decent response, which was lost. Went something like this:

You are more probama than Obama. Obama actually thought he didn't deserve the award, and made a couple comments to that effect. I think he even got the not-too-subtle hint that he was getting it in part for being a warmonger. He doesn't want to be a warmonger, but when you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas... A lesson the President is currently learning.

Here are a couple things to gnaw on:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Presidential-Proclamation-L
eif-Erikson-Day
/

and

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/the-billion-dolla
r-gram
/


Oh, and BTW, people aren't predicting, they're reacting to the current policy, which isn't enough different from Bush to satisfy folk. We have an escalating war in South Asian, and it's really getting kinda scary. So far, it's not change I can believe in. Hopefully this nudge will help turn things around.

Remember how Nixon benefited from this boost at first? He wasn't LBJ, and so people thought "At last, the war will end!" But then it didn't, and didn't, and didn't... Obama has a limited window here to shut this down if he wants to be known as a peacemaker. Again, I'm sticking to my 18 month rule. July 20th 2010, if we're still at war, I'm going to have serious issues with this. Ditto for a large number of other policies.

Nothing against the man, I know he's surrounded by sharks, but that's how he got into power, by making friends with people like the Clintons, etc.

ATM, I'm happy with his positions on the environment and internet, not as much as I would have hoped (he still maintains a great firewall, and the US is still not attacking the major issues of international deforestation and international overfishing, but he's better than Bush, which isn't saying much.) Still waiting and seeing, but it's still looking more like war than peace from here.

And we do have a measuring stick for this one: Peace is Eisenhower, going to Korea and ending the war. Nixon tried the "oh, it's so hard to get out of a war." No, it's not. You just go talk to the enemy, hammer out a deal. I think the Nobel committee is trying to give us a hint. I hope we take it.

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Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:50 PM

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Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:07 AM

DREAMTROVE


John, thanks for the post
Great speech, everyone should watch it.

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Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:44 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
John, thanks for the post
Great speech, everyone should watch it.




Wow, it sort of puts alot together doesn't it

Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Monday, October 12, 2009 7:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, I've been gone a couple of days, so this may duplicate what someone else has said on this matter. But here goes:

The Nobel Prize has been given in the past not as a prize for accomplishment, but as an encouragement to achieve. There are numerous examples; one is Bishop Desmond Tutu. He was given the prize for his efforts to end apartheid; apartheid didn't actually end until ten years later, and the Nobel Committe couldn't have known if he would be successful when they gave the prize. Obama was nominated 12 days after he took office, yes, but he'd already shown a desire to change many things, and, whether anyone wants to recognize it or not, has been trying to do some of them already.

He actually has changed some thing; the reason in part that he hasn't been able toc hange others can be laid at the feet, not of the Republicans per se, tho' their scorched-earth policies have made it difficult enough, but at those of the Blue Dogs...if the Democrats held together like the Republicans usually do, many things would have been accomplished by now. A President doesn't stand alone, he can't just "achive" his goals without Congress' help.

Obama said in his speech that he was surprised as anyone to learn about the Nobel, that he didn't think he'd done anything to deserve it yet, and said quite clearly that he recognized the above and saw it as a "call to" accomplish.

America's dealings with the world HAS changed; the majority of Americans, by voting for Obama, have shown that they reject the Bush Doctrine and the things Bush did to our country...I think that's a start. Obama is attempting a more neutral position on the Israeli-Palestinian situation and is trying to encourage discussions; he has dealt with Iran MUCH more differently than Bush or McCain would have; he's trying t deal with Afghanistan the "right" way rather than rushing troops in willy nilly to conquer THAT country--and he's willing to be cautious, to THINK about the repercussions of what he's doing.

I'm uncomfortable with the consistent anti-government and anti-Obama stuff here; I know it's not a popular position to be positive about the country right now, but I try to be and I still have hope. And I HAVE seen change; not as much as I want, but given all he inherited, and the unwillingness of the Dems to grow a pair, I'm still determined to give him time. I also see bashing him as a murderer and laying so many other things at his feet, and the constant "how can we tear the government down", as well as all the personal sniping, beginning to put me off.

I still think this is a wonderful place and I'm proud to have met other Browncoats who are thoughtful, willing to debate, and intelligent. But I have a feeling I would be quite unpopular if I started to be one of the lone voices crying "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" and argued in favor of all the GOOD things I see about my country and our lives.

I've also found that it's all too easy to lose an entire day here debating things that have been debated before and hashed to death, reading post after post about how bad things are, and having threads devolve into personal sniping. I'm very grateful I've been able to have my voice heard and not been attacked for speaking my piece, but I need to accomplish things in my own life, not spend so many hours here.

I'll still come, I do appreciate all of you and this place. And I fully recognize that Firefly naturally appeals to people who are against big government, or government at all. But it's somewhat of a downer to constantly read about how bad things are, when I happen to think there's a lot of good in our government, our country, and our lives. There are so many things going on in the world besides politics, it's too bad they don't get noticed and discussed too. But that's just my opinion, and obviously those things aren't of interest to others most of the time.

Like I said, I'll still be around, but maybe I'll take my chances and just speak up about the good; who knows? That's

________________________
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Monday, October 12, 2009 9:25 AM

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Foreign exchange student Barack Hussien Obama Soetoro smokin dope

Quote:

"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussien Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/



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Monday, October 12, 2009 9:38 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

I still think this is a wonderful place and I'm proud to have met other Browncoats who are thoughtful, willing to debate, and intelligent. But I have a feeling I would be quite unpopular if I started to be one of the lone voices crying "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" and argued in favor of all the GOOD things I see about my country and our lives.



So psycho Big Brother hasn't robbed you and murdered your family yet?

Or did you just not notice?

Young and dumb I'm not. I survived that phase of evolution, now I'm old and crotchety, er, wiser. Sure there's beauty, but don't be blinded by it. NEVER trust govt to do ANYTHING good. Invest time and brain capacity on learning the ways of self defense -- physical, mental, medical, legal and financial.

Truth has it's own beauty. Lies are ugly, no matter how whorish the disinfobabe appears with a smile on her face and cleavage in her bosom.

It's damn hard to enjoy beauty when you're dead broke, or dead. A police state makes that harder, too.

This advice is especially true for gubmit employees, who believe their own bullshit at their peril. I know, been there done that.

There's something about slaughtering millions of innocent people, then winning a crackerjack prize, that makes my skin crawl. But I'm funny like that.

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Monday, October 12, 2009 10:02 AM

STORYMARK


I'm pretty sure that while he hasn't had the time to make any real headway toward peace.... he also hasn't had the time to kill millions. Of course, I'm talking to the pirate king of brain-damaged idiots, so I realize my words are aimed at someone incapable of understanding them.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, October 12, 2009 10:22 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, I've been gone a couple of days, so this may duplicate what someone else has said on this matter. But here goes:

The Nobel Prize has been given in the past not as a prize for accomplishment, but as an encouragement to achieve. There are numerous examples; one is Bishop Desmond Tutu. He was given the prize for his efforts to end apartheid; apartheid didn't actually end until ten years later, and the Nobel Committe couldn't have known if he would be successful when they gave the prize. Obama was nominated 12 days after he took office, yes, but he'd already shown a desire to change many things, and, whether anyone wants to recognize it or not, has been trying to do some of them already.

He actually has changed some thing; the reason in part that he hasn't been able toc hange others can be laid at the feet, not of the Republicans per se, tho' their scorched-earth policies have made it difficult enough, but at those of the Blue Dogs...if the Democrats held together like the Republicans usually do, many things would have been accomplished by now. A President doesn't stand alone, he can't just "achive" his goals without Congress' help.

Obama said in his speech that he was surprised as anyone to learn about the Nobel, that he didn't think he'd done anything to deserve it yet, and said quite clearly that he recognized the above and saw it as a "call to" accomplish.

America's dealings with the world HAS changed; the majority of Americans, by voting for Obama, have shown that they reject the Bush Doctrine and the things Bush did to our country...I think that's a start. Obama is attempting a more neutral position on the Israeli-Palestinian situation and is trying to encourage discussions; he has dealt with Iran MUCH more differently than Bush or McCain would have; he's trying t deal with Afghanistan the "right" way rather than rushing troops in willy nilly to conquer THAT country--and he's willing to be cautious, to THINK about the repercussions of what he's doing.

I'm uncomfortable with the consistent anti-government and anti-Obama stuff here; I know it's not a popular position to be positive about the country right now, but I try to be and I still have hope. And I HAVE seen change; not as much as I want, but given all he inherited, and the unwillingness of the Dems to grow a pair, I'm still determined to give him time. I also see bashing him as a murderer and laying so many other things at his feet, and the constant "how can we tear the government down", as well as all the personal sniping, beginning to put me off.

I still think this is a wonderful place and I'm proud to have met other Browncoats who are thoughtful, willing to debate, and intelligent. But I have a feeling I would be quite unpopular if I started to be one of the lone voices crying "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" and argued in favor of all the GOOD things I see about my country and our lives.

I've also found that it's all too easy to lose an entire day here debating things that have been debated before and hashed to death, reading post after post about how bad things are, and having threads devolve into personal sniping. I'm very grateful I've been able to have my voice heard and not been attacked for speaking my piece, but I need to accomplish things in my own life, not spend so many hours here.

I'll still come, I do appreciate all of you and this place. And I fully recognize that Firefly naturally appeals to people who are against big government, or government at all. But it's somewhat of a downer to constantly read about how bad things are, when I happen to think there's a lot of good in our government, our country, and our lives. There are so many things going on in the world besides politics, it's too bad they don't get noticed and discussed too. But that's just my opinion, and obviously those things aren't of interest to others most of the time.

Like I said, I'll still be around, but maybe I'll take my chances and just speak up about the good; who knows? That's

________________________
Together we are greater than the sum of our parts



I think the weird thing is he was President for 12 days when he was nominated.....

12 days ???

I think he got it simply because Bush set a new low, and anything else has the hope of being better.

You want to debate or talk about anything Niki, post away...

The troubles, and the shit things that go on draw more debate because I think people hope they can somehow help change things,... or are upset about how things stand and need a place to vent their emotions.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have learned a thing or two I didn't know from posting here, in a variety of subjects.

I think much of the problems with Obama with issues like Afghanistan, Iran, or Israel... or the economy, or healthcare... is one or two of these things he could probably perform as advertised... but with all the problems at once...

and if he doesn't even people who supported him will likely give him only a year to 18 months to see some progress.

I for one wouldn't care you said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" I don't think very much of those who seem to think anything other that democracy ( or for that matter capitalism ) is evil and should be fought. People need to be able to decide things for themselves, I often think the US should just deal with their own problems at home, and not have anywhere near the foreign policy engagements they do... perhaps the enemies they have abroad would become fewer in number if they weren't out looking for fights.





Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Monday, October 12, 2009 10:52 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

I'm pretty sure that while he hasn't had the time to make any real headway toward peace.... he also hasn't had the time to kill millions. Of course, I'm talking to the pirate king of brain-damaged idiots, so I realize my words are aimed at someone incapable of understanding them.



2-million US citizens have been genocided by medical doctors since terrorist illegal alien Hussein Obama Bin Laden seized power by coup d'etat. US Supreme Court says that genocide of 50-million US citizens is legal in Roe v Wade.

2.8-million Iraqis have been genocided in the 18-year non-stop war, by Republicon and Demorat dictators. More than 100,000 murders per year. Nearly 100,000 US soldiers have died in the Iraq War, with 700,000 US Iraq War soldiers now paid disability pensions.

These are official government numbers.

Quote:

"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 1-Million annual aborticides in USA)
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

"We believe that within a period of five to ten years, it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. Within the next five to ten years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could be different in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organism. Most importantly, it might be damaging to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease. A research program to explore feasibility could be completed in approximately five years at a cost of $10 million. It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken, lest it lead to yet another method of mass killing of large populations."
—Dr. Donald MacArthur, RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION, Department of the Army, Statement of Director, Advanced Research Project Agency, Statement of Director, Defense Research and Engineering, SYNTHETIC BIOLOGICAL AGENTS HOUSE BILL 15090, UNITED STATES SENATE LIBRARY, U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970. Hearings before a Subcommittee of the APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, Ninety-First Congress, first session, July 1, 1969, testimony on June 9, 1969 (FULL TEXT HTML -- JPG Image Scan of HB 15090)
www.umoja-research.com/aids_murder_docs.htm
http://community-2.webtv.net/LikingLArry/IsTheAIDSVirusMan/
www.aidsbiowar.com
www.tetrahedron.org
www.whale.to/m/scott7.html

"PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA - The invention relates to a novel pathogenic mycoplasma isolated from patients with Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) or patients dying from diseases and symptoms resembling AIDS diseases. The invention further relates to a variety of vaccinations against mycoplasma infection in humans and/or animals."
—US Patent Office, Patent Number 5,242,820, Inventor Stryh-Cheng Lo and American Registry of Pathology in Washington DC, Filed June 6, 1991, continuation date June 18, 1986
www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
-Nazi Prince Philip King of the British Empire in charge of bioweapons labs, If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
-Ted Turner, founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary in one day, Bilderberg Secret Society



A psychotic homicidal government that celebrates genocide of foreigners is always more interested in genociding its own citizens. Ask the 200-million dead Germans, Russians and Commie Chinese, murdered by their own gubmit. Oh you cant, theyre dead.

Obama decides nothing. He's only allowed to read a teleprompter, or he gets a bullet in the head like JFK. The Kosher shadow govt is in charge for the Kosher banksters, who inbred with inbred Eurotrash royalty and Al Gore. Ask Rhambo Emanuel, the Israeli Mossad soldier and gay ballerina officially running the "Obama" White House as chief of staff.

If you want CHANGE, get off your keyboard and do it yourself.

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Monday, October 12, 2009 11:55 AM

STORYMARK


So which is it, is he a killer, or is he just reading a teleprompter. Make up your mind ya psycho!

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, October 12, 2009 12:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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2-million US citizens have been genocided by medical doctors since terrorist illegal alien Hussein Obama Bin Laden seized power by coup d'etat. US Supreme Court says that genocide of 50-million US citizens is legal in Roe v Wade.



You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

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Monday, October 12, 2009 12:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

If you want CHANGE, get off your keyboard and do it yourself.



Says the Keyboard Kommando, General Cut N. Paste himself.

Tell me one thing you've ever done, other than whinge about "the jooze".

Oh yeah - you joined the Air Farce to work for the very gubmint you claim to hate. Good doggie!

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Monday, October 12, 2009 12:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you, Gino.

Gawd, PN, you are the sickest, most pathetic thing I've quite literally ever seen. I wonder how you live with yourself. I give you the prize...you are even more demented, pitiable than the wingnuts I met on another board...I wonder what universe you live in. It must be a pretty repulsive place, to spawn you. I can't even read much of what you post, they sicken me so.

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