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Feds Arrest Founder of Liberty Dollar

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Friday, June 5, 2009 2:16 PM

LEADB


Feds Arrest Founder of Liberty Dollar:

You can read what Liberty Dollar org has to say on the matter here:
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/pr_nl/06_04_2009.htm


Also, the Feds issued this statement:

Bernard von NotHaus, 65, formerly of Evansville, Indiana, and two additional defendants from Evansville, along with William Kevin Innes, 53, of Asheville, North Carolina, have been indicted in U.S. District Court for the Western District of North Carolina on conspiracy and other charges in connection with an alleged unlawful operation to publish, possess and sell for profit, coins in resemblance and similitude to U.S. coins....The four are also charged with one count of mail fraud, while von NotHaus and Innes are both charged in two additional counts each, with selling and possessing with intent to defraud, Liberty Dollar coins; and with uttering and passing, and attempting to utter and pass, a coin of silver in resemblance of genuine coins of the United States of the denominations of five dollars and greater, and intended for use as current money.

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Interestingly, they have not shut down the current Liberty Dollar(LD) operations. I will note that they have made some changes to the LD silver rounds. They now more clearly indicate 'MSRP' (Manufacture's Suggested Retail Price) on the rounds, making their 'barter status' more clear.

While I haven't actually used these, I'm certainly hoping they defend successfully against the charges.

(Been a while, I know. Hi all!)

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Friday, June 5, 2009 5:29 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Von Nuthouse complains of copyright infringement for chocolate Liberty Dollars
www.jozefnagy.com/content/chocolate_ron_paul_coins_may_violate_officia
l_ron_paul_liberty_dollar_gold_coins


It's the private "Federal" Reserve Banksters freaking out, over Ron Paul's Fed Kill Bill that now has 200 co-sponsors to audit the "Fed" for the first time in 95 years. FBI raided Liberty Dollar during the 2008 presidential election, to stop their promotion of Ron Paul for president.


Every chairman of private "Federal" Reserve Bank for 100 years was jewish

Federal Reserve Transparency Act (200 co-sponsors)
www.ronpaul.com/2009-02-28/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-audit-the-fed/

H.R. 2755: 2007-2008 Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (no co-sponsors)
www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2755

Frakkin jews.

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Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:28 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Here's the 2-page article from the Asheville newspaper , wherein the 'Federal' accomplices , 'investigating' and 'prosecuting' , make several inherently false statements :

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090605/NEWS0
1/906050331/1009


"...The arrests are the latest development in an investigation under way since at least 2004. Federal agents raided the company's headquarters in 2007 and seized documents and precious metals. A private mint in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, that produced the coins was raided the same day."

Looks like the Feds intend to wear these Folk down by attrition...

By the way , 'Federal Reserve Notes' are definitively NOT Lawful Money...

What Does Lawful Money Mean?

" Any form of currency issued by the United States Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System, including gold and silver coins, Treasury notes, and Treasury bonds. Lawful money stands in contrast to fiat money, to which the government assigns value although it has no intrinsic value of its own and is not backed by reserves. Fiat money includes legal tender such as paper money, checks, drafts and bank notes.

Also known as 'specie', which means 'in actual form.'"

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawfulmoney.asp

Gold and Silver Coin IS Lawful Money...

The criminal gang , private Banksters have their accomplices paid for out of YOUR pockets , Folk .

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Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:33 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Meanwhile , United States reserves of the real , Constitutionally-prescribed Lawful Money , are being quietly exported in astounding quantity by your ever-faithful-and-responsible 'Government' .

http://www.dgcmagazine.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/02/us-government-exp
orting-own-gold-pretending-quantity-in-vaults-is-unchanged
/

Does anyone else here detect a stench surrounding this operation ?

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Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:43 AM

SERGEANTX


This guy really shot his cause in the foot when he advocated (or seemed to anyway) passing these coins off to people as though they were government issued currency - or at least taking advantage of people who didn't recognize the difference.

Which is frustrating because alternative currencies is a legitimate cause, in my opinion, and a healthy response to government policies that devalue the official currency. Unfortunately Nuthouse's shenanigans have opened the door and given the Feds a reasonable excuse to shut him down.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:44 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:


Von Nuthouse complains of copyright infringement for chocolate Liberty Dollars
www.jozefnagy.com/content/chocolate_ron_paul_coins_may_violate_officia
l_ron_paul_liberty_dollar_gold_coins


It's the private "Federal" Reserve Banksters freaking out, over Ron Paul's Fed Kill Bill that now has 200 co-sponsors to audit the "Fed" for the first time in 95 years. FBI raided Liberty Dollar during the 2008 presidential election, to stop their promotion of Ron Paul for president.


Every chairman of private "Federal" Reserve Bank for 100 years was jewish

Federal Reserve Transparency Act (200 co-sponsors)
www.ronpaul.com/2009-02-28/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-audit-the-fed/

H.R. 2755: 2007-2008 Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (no co-sponsors)
www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2755

Frakkin jews.

What irks me is Barry may have his ugly face on a coin someday.

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Sunday, June 7, 2009 7:55 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
This guy really shot his cause in the foot when he advocated (or seemed to anyway) passing these coins off to people as though they were government issued currency - or at least taking advantage of people who didn't recognize the difference.

Which is frustrating because alternative currencies is a legitimate cause, in my opinion, and a healthy response to government policies that devalue the official currency.



Well , I promise that it won't offend me if someone gives me a gold or silver coin instead of a 'Federal Reserve Note'.
Or , as 'change' for a FRN . In fact , I'd encourage their so doing .

Exchanging 'value for value' is the entire purpose of Lawful Money , which is something the Federal Reserve circumvents and scurrilously avoids , by means of their fraudulent creation of paper notes...

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Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:16 AM

SERGEANTX


I hear ya. And agree.

Still, people like Nuthouse piss me off, because he's giving the feds exactly what they want. They'll win their case against him - not because of what they claim (that he's issuing a competing currency), but because of his flimflammery with encouraging users to pass these off to unsuspecting vendors. That's what will score the feds a victory in court. But they'll pretend they've struck a blow against alternative currency. And in kind of sleight-of-hand legal precedent setting they will have. Future cases will site this one as a decision against the concept of competing currency. If the competing currency issue was all that was going on, there's a good chance the defendants would prevail. That's what we need - a clean case to mount a real legal challenge. Instead we get this mess, which is what they want.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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Monday, June 8, 2009 10:53 AM

IREMISST


Top 'O the Mornin' to ya, Mr. Black!

When I left here a year ago you were on "the destruction of the U.S. dollar" thread, and well, it good to see that some things never change...(Iremist Groans!)

Seriously, though, it's good to see you're still around and kicking up dust.

p.s. We made it through our move in MOSTLY one piece...also, I posted over in general discussions if you'd like to stop by and say HI.
Later Hon


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Tuesday, June 9, 2009 12:37 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Iremisst:
Top 'O the Mornin' to ya, Mr. Black!

When I left here a year ago you were on "the destruction of the U.S. dollar" thread, and well, it good to see that some things never change...(Iremist Groans!)

Seriously, though, it's good to see you're still around and kicking up dust.

p.s. We made it through our move in MOSTLY one piece...also, I posted over in general discussions if you'd like to stop by and say HI.
Later Hon




Ni hao , sweeties !

Glad to see you still on the boat , Misty !

All the best to you and yours...See you in 'the world' !

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