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Sadly, RWED has become nothing more than Troll Country 2

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
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Monday, June 1, 2009 4:25 AM

RIPWASH


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...and then you went ahead and posted anyway, not sure if you should, and how did that go? Not speaking for anyone else here, but if I remember correctly, I greeted you and we argued, but we actually had our discussions about real issues, and those discussions have each had points made and conceded on either side.


Again, let me state, that I appreciate the welcome I got here after the initial stuff. Especially by you, Kwicko. You're a good guy, I appreciate your posts and our discussions. What I meant was simply that if AuRaptor is leaving RWED, that we let those initial impulses that apparently originated with him to leave with him also. If he decides to return, then I'd urge him to make a fresh start of things as well, trust me. But that can only be done if people are willing to forgive and forget, and that goes for him as well.

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But I can make the exact same claim! I've laid out several arguments based on facts


I'm not arguing that only AURaptor or Oppyh or myself or only Conservatives should be left alone in regards to anything we may post that has merit. That goes for anyone - Conservative/Republican, Liberal/Democrat, Libertarian, Christian, Atheist, etc. If anyone posts anything of merit, it should be given the thoughtful consideration and the chance for civilized discussion.

Again, Kwick, nothing I'm saying is against you, so don't take it that way. I'm trying to make generalized statements in order to get some agreement on how we should behave even if it means a vow to make a fresh start of things.

To quote one of my favorite sit-coms "Reba" (yes, it's funny show, don't knock it!!!):
"I got one word for ya, Barbara Jean - LETITGO!"
"That's three words, Van"
"Not the way I say it - LETITGO!"

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Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

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Monday, June 1, 2009 5:28 AM

JKIDDO


I don't know ANYONE on this board who worships Obama blindly, Rue included. There was nose-holding that went with the vote. And if McCain had been a real option (and Palin just not been so utterly, frighteningly ignorant) the repubs would have done better in the election. The dems were elected only because the repubs sank unacceptably low. The Obama voters here are not blind supporters. If you had been paying any sort of attention at all, you'd know that.

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That goes for anyone - Conservative/Republican, Liberal/Democrat, Libertarian, Christian, Atheist, etc. If anyone posts anything of merit, it should be given the thoughtful consideration and the chance for civilized discussion.
Merit or not, I try to post respectfully. Everyone is ignorant of something. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone has a blind spot or two, including me. I post the way I hope others would post to me. But if someone posts the equivalent of The earth is flat! and you go through all the evidence... photos from space, circumnavigation, solar angle, stellar changes.... and they persist and then start calling you names... well. So tell that to rappy. 'cause I've been there and done that, and he hasn't returned the favor.

The point is: If you want a rational, civil discussion you have to hold EVERYONE to the same standard. Rappy included.
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folk like Whozit only add to the problem by stirring the pot on purpose.
Which BTW is the definition of a troll.
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Again, Kwick, nothing I'm saying is against you, so don't take it that way. I'm trying to make generalized statements in order to get some agreement on how we should behave even if it means a vow to make a fresh start of things.
I have a simple solution which I've proposed several times, and I'm gonna re-propose it.

Where rational discussion doesn't work... IGNORE THE OTHER POSTER. People come to the board for all kinds of reasons, not just to converse. Some peeps, like Whozit, simply come to stir things up.They LOVE to poke the ant-hill and watch the flurry. Some - like rappy - come for their fix. Some people come to proselytize. Nothing stop bad behavior like LACK OF REWARD. If you simply do not provide peeps the response they're looking for they will either learn to interact differently or they will go away. Meanwhile, the discussion hasn't been derailed fruitlessly into ad hominem.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. Tit for tat doesn't work if the person you're dealing with can't see the mote in his own eye... he just winds up feeling "picked on" and victimized.

So... can we all agree that most of us have to be grownups, and hold ourselves to a HIGHER standard than the one we're responding to?

BTW- I expect this message to ring with the lefty/ centrists here, not with the neorecons. You don't have to become a terrorist to fight terrorism. Maybe it's time to put that idea into practice.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:05 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by citizen:
Personally my estimation would be that Chrisisall has been pulling Rap's strings

You're joking here, right Cit?



The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:06 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by RIPWash:


Take what Oppyh wrote about Obama worship, for example. Instead of jumping down his/her throat, couldn't somebody just have said "You sure you don't wanna rephrase that?"

Every time?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:11 AM

RIPWASH


Well . . . only when you're thinking to yourself, "Surely they didn't mean what I think they mean. That way, you don't rant and rave at that person over a misunderstanding of what they actually meant vs. what they happened to type at the time.

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Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Believe me, I rather enjoy seeing the full political spectrum represented here in all it's unholy glory - cause most other sites, as I pointed out, if you aren't part of the collective, you WILL be silenced, and that's not conducive to real discussion and never has been.

Hell, we even have some of the more radical fringe here and there, PN, Whozit - and sad that it is to say, there *IS* a component of the conservative/right that thinks and acts like Rappy, and all too many of em were recently in positions of power, ugh.

As for Whozits whining, no one wanted him banned, he got his hand slapped for spamrolling eight to ten one word or otherwise gibberish posts a day while not participating in the discussions, and even so I reccommended against banning him despite being the one that asked Haken to apply the ruler to his knuckles in the first place, something he's been petulant about ever since.

I tend to discuss things in the manner they're presented to me, and yes, I agree that Anthony, and HKCav are some folk to hold up as good examples, but I myself tend to shoot more from the hip with a side order of cynicism and snark - but I *will* discuss, unless I run short of time to and then will tell you so - heck, I've had rational discussions with PN a time or two cause for some of his "issues" I know more than he does, but that's a long story best told another time.

One thing I try earnestly not to do is let the actions of one poster overflow onto another, unless the second is in direct support of the first including the conduct that's set my ire, and the other is if at all possible not carrying a grudge from one thread to another - which might look a little strange when you see me chewing someones ass mercilessly in one thread but being civil in another, but that's the only way to do if you want to *continue* discussing something with folk cause otherwise it turns into one long grudge match.

I also tend to bow out when a discussion devolves into a tit-for-tat he-said-she-said ping pong spat most folk left behind in preschool cause it adds nothing to the discussion and just watchin it leaves me annoyed at both participants.

And lastly, while I have a large range of specialties and knowledge bases, if something is way out of my area of competence I'll make sure that's clear and limit comment - likewise if I have an agenda, personal stake or simply no intention to be reasonable about something, I WILL warn you first...

All that said, sometimes a civil discussion can actually be less informative, less of a learning experience, because people do not reveal the emotional or personal issues that best express WHY they feel this way, or caused them to gravitate to that opinion - something that carries in text only if actively expressed, and is one reason I make effort TO express it - knowing WHY someone holds an opinion is often as important as knowing what it is.

Just my thoughts on the matter,

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:23 AM

OPPYH


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Originally posted by citizen:
You were saying something about favoured posters? It appears Rap is yours. Every argument, every slanging match, EVERY SINGLE insult thrown at Rap, was in response to an attack he made on someone else.



I favor no one on this site. I have an open mind and I respect peoples opinions. I respect Rappy's voice(which most don't agree with).

This is what makes our great nation, the ability to disagree. Something we shouldn't take lightly.


But congratulations, you people have effectively silenced the opposition. Now....what are you gonna talk about?

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:29 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
VICTORY!!!!!!


Just for the record, seriously, I don't want AU to leave, I just want him to take a closer look at his bias, and realize that peeps like Rush are entertainers first, and sources of real political discourse...well, last.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:32 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Now....what are you gonna talk about?

There is no end to the bitching & moaning we can do here...
*Dog-pile on Pelo-si*


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:39 AM

JKIDDO


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Now....what are you gonna talk about?
More interesting stuff than rehashing whether or not the earth is flat, that's for sure.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
VICTORY!!!!!!


Just for the record, seriously, I don't want AU to leave, I just want him to take a closer look at his bias, and realize that peeps like Rush are entertainers first, and sources of real political discourse...well, last.


The laughing Chrisisall



I don't have a problem with people listening to Rush; I have a problem with people listening ONLY to Rush, then coming in here and regurgitating Rush's talking points word for word, and then considering themselves "informed" and swearing that they "deal only in facts".

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:54 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I don't have a problem with people listening to Rush; I have a problem with people listening ONLY to Rush, then coming in here and regurgitating Rush's talking points word for word, and then considering themselves "informed" and swearing that they "deal only in facts".


Zactly.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:05 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I favor no one on this site. I have an open mind and I respect peoples opinions. I respect Rappy's voice(which most don't agree with).

This is what makes our great nation, the ability to disagree. Something we shouldn't take lightly.


But congratulations, you people have effectively silenced the opposition. Now....what are you gonna talk about?



You favour no one? I hope you didn't say that with a straight face. Especially since the rest of your posts proves otherwise.

I wonder if you realise that while you splutter on with your self aggrandising self-important fake and nonsense victim act, you prove your accusations are only true of yourself, in intent if not in ability.

I'm guessing not, clearly you're just upset that you've not managed to silence this indefinite group "you people", so instead are trying to prescribe your actions to others. I'm sorry your hatred of freedom of speech isn't getting much traction around here, no wait, no I'm not.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:10 AM

OPPYH


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Originally posted by citizen:

I wonder if you realise that while you splutter on with your self aggrandising self-important faux and nonsense victim act, you prove your accusations are only true of yourself, in intent if not in ability.

I'm guessing not. I'm sorry your hatred of freedom of speech isn't getting much traction around here, no wait, no I'm not.



Hatred of Freedom of Speech? OHHHKAAAAAYYY.

Whatever you say.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:13 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Hatred of Freedom of Speech? OHHHKAAAAAYYY.

Whatever you say.


You prove it with every post. Closing ranks around the most vicious and nasty people here just because they say "I'm a conservative" even though they're clearly not, while prescribing their actions to their intended victims when your plans don't come to fruition, doesn't really hold much water.

But hey, you carry on trying to silence the opposition, and when that doesn't work maybe you too can post a stupid self-apologising thread like this and try to palm off your behaviour on to everyone else.

Open minded? I've seen your posts, if you think you're open minded you don't know what open minded is.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:16 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Closing ranks around the most vicious and nasty people here just because they say "I'm a conservative"...



You say you're a conservative?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:17 AM

OPPYH


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Originally posted by citizen:
You favour no one? I hope you didn't say that with a straight face. Especially since the rest of your posts proves otherwise.



I FAVOR no one. All opinions on this site are equally important/worthless to me. That meaning they have absolutely no weight in the real world or how I live my life. If you take these little posts so seriously, then I feel bad for you.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:18 AM

CHRISISALL


The higher brain function is leaving me, I think...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:31 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I FAVOR no one. All opinions on this site are equally important/worthless to me. That meaning they have absolutely no weight in the real world or how I live my life. If you take these little posts so seriously, then I feel bad for you.


I hope you don't expect me or anyone else to believe your "I don't pick sides" self aggrandising nonsense, especially after you've spent every post so far crying about the "unfair and uncalled for" treatment of poor poor shrinking violent AURaptor.

Really it's you taking things too seriously, crying because some arsehole who happens to say he's a conservative got treated the same way he treats other people. Yeah, getting a whole lot of not FAVOURing (correct spelling in the English language actually) while you cry about the unfair treatment of a troll that has been far nastier than just about anyone else here.

If you were half as open minded as you try to claim, and for that matter took things said here as lightly as you claim, you wouldn't be here perpetrating your bullshit victim act.

If you believe even half of what you've just said, I feel sorry for you.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:36 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Geezer:
You say you're a conservative?


No, the most vicious and nasty people, people who attack people personally first for no reason. People who claim to be conservatives when they're clearly not.

You know, AURaptor, Finn, You.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:46 AM

RIVER6213


There was a time in history that I believed the Republicans, and even the right-wing wacko's had some really good points to make, and they even had the good of this country in mind, but these so-called new republicans and their Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Anne Coulter hero worship in my opinion will ruin this country with their fascism, their racism, their separatist behavior, and their blame-everyone-in-the-country-for-all-the- problems-who-are-not-white, nor male, nor rich, or Republican.

Monsters like them and their army of ditto-headed followers should be tried for treason, or better yet they should all be dragged from their homes and shot down in the streets, but not before they are all given a taste of the whip.

When it comes to people like this I AM closed minded because I believe that they are not for the people of this country. They don't have anything of benefit to say. They are only looking out for their own greedy selves, and I honestly don't see much difference between the modern day Republican party, and their idea of conservative ideology, and the mindset of the people back in Nazi Germany in the 40s. It's the same thing without all the weapons and goose-stepping.

I seriously hope Auraptor is off somewhere drowning himself, and doing the world a favor.


-River


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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Monsters like them and their army of ditto-headed followers should be tried for treason, or better yet they should all be dragged from their homes and shot down in the streets, but not before they are all given a taste of the whip.


Nice!
How 'bout gassing them in the shower?

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Monday, June 1, 2009 9:25 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
No, the most vicious and nasty people, people who attack people personally first for no reason.



But that describes you so accurately. (Nothing personal, BTW, but honest self-examination would force you to agree.) If such people always say they're conservatives, then either you must say you're a conservative, or your proposition is invalid.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 1, 2009 9:47 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
No, the most vicious and nasty people, people who attack people personally first for no reason.



But that describes you so accurately. (Nothing personal, BTW, but honest self-examination would force you to agree.) If such people always say they're conservatives, then either you must say you're a conservative, or your proposition is invalid.


It really doesn't. I respond to personal insults thrown at me, but if you tried some of that honest self-examination yourself, you'd see it does describe YOU perfectly.

Beyond that, you show your usual inability to understand even simple statements. Or perhaps it's more your usual stance of lying about what others say? Nothing personal, but if you were honest with yourself you'd have to agree that your compulsive lying doesn't prove anything about anyone but yourself. I never said such people always call themselves conservatives, I said OPPYH defends such people as long as they describe themselves as conservatives.

I understand if the distinction between the two propositions is beyond your understanding.

Of course, as usual your proposition is based on lies, and thus invalid.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 11:06 AM

ALIASSE





Just for the record, seriously, I don't want AU to leave


I just visited Troll Country and there he was, swearing at people.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 11:07 AM

ALIASSE


Double post. Double stupid.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 11:22 AM

RIPWASH


Okay . . . so this is deteriorating fast . . . again.

Is there some sort of history with Oppyh that I'm not aware of? Can we get back on topic on how we can all be rational and civilized when having discussions? Without the kitty ping-pong?

Or am I just being overly sensitive to this stuff? LOL

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Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

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Monday, June 1, 2009 11:24 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by RIPWash:


Or am I just being overly sensitive to this stuff? LOL


Go to a war zone, you'll likely see war.
Just sayin'.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 11:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:
Okay . . . so this is deteriorating fast . . . again.

Is there some sort of history with Oppyh that I'm not aware of? Can we get back on topic on how we can all be rational and civilized when having discussions? Without the kitty ping-pong?



There IS some history between Oppyh and me, but so far as I know, it's just that: history. We disagree some, but like you and I, we actually DISCUSS those disagreements, without being so disagreeable. :)

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 11:44 AM

CHRISISALL


I will not tolerate friendly disagreement in there here parts.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:17 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I will not tolerate friendly disagreement in there here parts.


Shut your pie hole cock nose.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:20 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:

Shut your pie hole cock nose.


Ah-nal nathrack
Othvass bethood,
Dothnee-ahl dien vay!

You are now my sockpuppet!!!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:40 PM

RIPWASH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:

Shut your pie hole cock nose.


Ah-nal nathrack
Othvass bethood,
Dothnee-ahl dien vay!

You are now my sockpuppet!!!


The laughing Chrisisall



And Chris comes in with the obscure movie quote of the day! Congrats! Now we just need to find you a chrome skull cap.

*********************************************
Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:47 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Ah-nal nathrack
Othvass bethood,
Dothnee-ahl dien vay!

You are now my sockpuppet!!!


I am not your suck puppet you dirty old man.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:

And Chris comes in with the obscure movie quote of the day! Congrats! Now we just need to find you a chrome skull cap.





Done!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:02 PM

RIPWASH


Ya see how much we have in common if it weren't for this political mumbo-jumbo? I use that quote quite often and all I get is raised eyebrows and a few unkind words in regard to my character.

*********************************************
Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:03 PM

RIPWASH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:

And Chris comes in with the obscure movie quote of the day! Congrats! Now we just need to find you a chrome skull cap.





Done!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.



Sits rather cunning, dontcha think?

*********************************************
Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by RIPWash:
Ya see how much we have in common if it weren't for this political mumbo-jumbo? I use that quote quite often and all I get is raised eyebrows and a few unkind words in regard to my character.

*********************************************
Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is




To be perfectly honest, it was a guess on my part. You said something about a chrome skullcap, and I took a shot in the dark. I figured there probably aren't TOO many chrome skullcaps in obscure movie-dom, so it seemed like about a 50/50 chance.

Haven't seen that movie in eons. Loved it when I was younger, though.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Sits rather cunning, dontcha think?



Oh, it's a very fine hat.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:20 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I will not tolerate friendly disagreement in there here parts.


Shut your pie hole cock nose.



Just jumping in to say this is why Citizen is number three on my 'net List of Heroes.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:28 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
It's the same thing without all the weapons and goose-stepping.



I guess you missed this then, much as I hate Alex Jones, compare the fluffy little spin versus the facts of the matter.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52282
http://www.infowars.com/us-troops-in-homeland-%E2%80%9Ccrowd-control%E
2%80%9D-patrols-from-october-1st
/

Active duty troops, here, on american soil, with pacifying US as their mission.

Article 3 - Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

No two ways about it, that's Treason, clear and simple, you saw it, I saw it, that's two witnesses right there.

As for the goosestepping, apparently you didn't get a close look at police conduct during the WTO incident in seattle.
http://www.counterpunch.org/seattlediary.html
When the rally broke up, hundreds of Steelworkers joined with other protesters in an impromptu march down 1st Avenue. As the crowd reached Pike Place Market, they found paramilitary riot squads waiting for them and were rocked with volleys of military-strength CS gas, flash bombs, and larger rubber bullets, about a half-inch in diameter. The carnage was indiscriminate. Holiday shoppers and Metro buses were gassed. In an effort to jack up the intimidation, the cop squads were marching in almost goose-stepping fashion, smacking their riot clubs against their shin-guards to create a sinister sound with echoes back to Munich. This was the most violent of the street battles that I witnessed, involving hundreds of police and more than 20 tear gas attacks.

Oh, and lets not, better, lets NEVER, EVER forget what happened to the FLDS, despite the fact that they're a little wacko, having their kids dragged off and brutalised by the state because they "might, someday" raise them to be something other than obedient consumers.

You'll also note that the whole issue has all but disappeared, leaving over four HUNDRED severely traumatised children with not a single whit of post trauma counselling, therapy or anything of the kind, despite quite a few of them showing obvious signs of PTSD, which is damn heartbreaking to see a child suffering from.

Hell, some of you watched it go down in a rather epic confrontation on this very board, right up to the State's sudden capitulation just before the DNA results would have had to been released publicly - something which tells you all you need to know about that.

I got into that, at the end, personally and at point blank range, seeing those traumatised kids cling to someone they SHOULD have been afraid of cause they feared the State and it's agents MORE, will forever and ever leave a foul taste in my mouth.

You can revisit that here, if you've the nerve.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=33401

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:32 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Nothing personal, but if you were honest with yourself you'd have to agree that your compulsive lying doesn't prove anything about anyone but yourself.



An example would be nice.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 1, 2009 1:37 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
It's the same thing without all the weapons and goose-stepping.



I guess you missed this then, much as I hate Alex Jones, compare the fluffy little spin versus the facts of the matter.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52282
http://www.infowars.com/us-troops-in-homeland-%E2%80%9Ccrowd-control%E
2%80%9D-patrols-from-october-1st
/

Active duty troops, here, on american soil, with pacifying US as their mission.

Article 3 - Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

No two ways about it, that's Treason, clear and simple, you saw it, I saw it, that's two witnesses right there.

As for the goosestepping, apparently you didn't get a close look at police conduct during the WTO incident in seattle.
http://www.counterpunch.org/seattlediary.html
When the rally broke up, hundreds of Steelworkers joined with other protesters in an impromptu march down 1st Avenue. As the crowd reached Pike Place Market, they found paramilitary riot squads waiting for them and were rocked with volleys of military-strength CS gas, flash bombs, and larger rubber bullets, about a half-inch in diameter. The carnage was indiscriminate. Holiday shoppers and Metro buses were gassed. In an effort to jack up the intimidation, the cop squads were marching in almost goose-stepping fashion, smacking their riot clubs against their shin-guards to create a sinister sound with echoes back to Munich. This was the most violent of the street battles that I witnessed, involving hundreds of police and more than 20 tear gas attacks.

Oh, and lets not, better, lets NEVER, EVER forget what happened to the FLDS, despite the fact that they're a little wacko, having their kids dragged off and brutalised by the state because they "might, someday" raise them to be something other than obedient consumers.

You'll also note that the whole issue has all but disappeared, leaving over four HUNDRED severely traumatised children with not a single whit of post trauma counselling, therapy or anything of the kind, despite quite a few of them showing obvious signs of PTSD, which is damn heartbreaking to see a child suffering from.

Hell, some of you watched it go down in a rather epic confrontation on this very board, right up to the State's sudden capitulation just before the DNA results would have had to been released publicly - something which tells you all you need to know about that.

I got into that, at the end, personally and at point blank range, seeing those traumatised kids cling to someone they SHOULD have been afraid of cause they feared the State and it's agents MORE, will forever and ever leave a foul taste in my mouth.

You can revisit that here, if you've the nerve.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=33401

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it




I know all of that. I was being more specific with the so-called ideology of it all. The weapons and goose-stepping IS all there. but its there in a manner that suggests that it isn't there, or that's what they want us to believe. BTW I live in Seattle and I watched the whole WTO craziness go down. Many people in Seattle thought that "That sort of behavior from the Seattle police would never happen to them" They thought wrong.

I will almost BET my life on it that creeps like Auraptor totally approved of the whole WTO fiasco, and how it was handled.

-River

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Monday, June 1, 2009 2:18 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
these so-called new republicans and their Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Anne Coulter hero worship in my opinion will ruin this country with their fascism, their racism, their separatist behavior, and their blame-everyone-in-the-country-for-all-the- problems-who-are-not-white, nor male, nor rich, or Republican.

Monsters like them and their army of ditto-headed followers should be tried for treason, or better yet they should all be dragged from their homes and shot down in the streets, but not before they are all given a taste of the whip.


Yo frau River, freedom of speech, ever hear of it?
You would whip & kill people because of what they say?...hold on...



Hey Libbies, HEY peaceful and tolerant and lawful and evolved Liberals & any other sane people? Time to chime in here!

Chris?
Citizen?
Kwixter?
et al?

When has ANY Neo-con repub whatever proposed anything as fucking demented as that filth above? You think I would ever write that or ever wish that on anyone of your partikkkular ilk?????

You have an opportunity to draw a line here. Knowing where you stand on those thoughts will help me going forward here. I'll anxioulsy await all your replies to Browncoat River.


Ps. 2 add'l. questions for RiverEinsatzgruppen:

1. Would you take PN out to the street to whip him and then shoot him dead?..WHozit?

2. Do you know that you can go fuck yourself now, and need not stop any time soon on my account?

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Monday, June 1, 2009 3:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

When has ANY Neo-con repub whatever proposed anything as fucking demented as that filth above?

All the time, I mean, seriously, you ever actually read any of that bullshit Ann Clueless spouts ?

Not that I find it acceptable from either side - either a right is UNIVERSAL, or it is simply one more tool in tyranny's toolbox.

-F

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Monday, June 1, 2009 3:32 PM

RIVER6213


Who on earth ever said I was a liberal? Also too many people abuse their freedom of speech on the left AND right. My view of Auraptor is what it is, and I am in no way denying him his lame freedom of speech, but I really wish he and people like Rush Limbaugh would shut the fuck up because all they are doing is causing trouble, and not in any way solving any problems. If they had any, reasonable, viable, and workable ideas that would enhance this country, and how it runs I'm totally all ears, and willing to work with them like any reasonable person, but so far, all of these years I've heard nothing but hate, and divisiveness from them. They stir things up with no idea of coming up with any solutions. They use people's worst natures against them. They are nothing but trouble. Nothing good can come from them. People like them will eventually one day ruin whats left of this country.

Most certainly if I knew I could get away with it, and if I knew I would never get caught. I would put an end to people like Auraptor, and Rush Limbaugh, and all people like them. In my eyes they are not human. They are animals to be put down, and if you compare me to Hitler regarding this point of view, then I guess in many ways you are correct because it IS extreme, but I think There SHOULD be a final Solution for all those idiots who seek to divide this country.

Also Jongsstraw, I seriously don't give a fuck what you think, or feel about anything. Just because I'm not goose-stepping to yours and Auraptor's right-wing ways I'm automatically labeled a liberal? I am no liberal. Also I don't know you therefore you are nothing more than words on a screen too me.

You need to start thinking for yourself instead of french-kissing the crack of Auraptor's ass. Just saying...

-River

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Monday, June 1, 2009 3:36 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
these so-called new republicans and their Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Anne Coulter hero worship in my opinion will ruin this country with their fascism, their racism, their separatist behavior, and their blame-everyone-in-the-country-for-all-the- problems-who-are-not-white, nor male, nor rich, or Republican.

Monsters like them and their army of ditto-headed followers should be tried for treason, or better yet they should all be dragged from their homes and shot down in the streets, but not before they are all given a taste of the whip.



...

Hey Libbies, HEY peaceful and tolerant and lawful and evolved Liberals & any other sane people? Time to chime in here!

...

You have an opportunity to draw a line here. Knowing where you stand on those thoughts will help me going forward here. I'll anxioulsy await all your replies to Browncoat River.



While I share in the disgust of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Dick Cheney, and their racism, sexism, classism, ablism, homophobia, transphobia, etc., I am also opposed to the death penalty, torture, and corporeal punishment, and therefore do not agree that they should be whipped or killed. Also, so far as I know, their views do not represent treason.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 3:40 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Also, Jongs?

Quote:

When has ANY Neo-con repub whatever proposed anything as fucking demented as that filth above?


http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/06/hunting-of-liberals.html
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2005/11/what-hell-is-wrong-with
-oreilly.html


(ETA: And that's just from a quick search of one of my sources.)

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Monday, June 1, 2009 4:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Jongstraw wrote:

When has ANY Neo-con repub whatever proposed anything as fucking demented as that filth above?



Well, there IS that niggling little matter of Michael Reagan and his attitude towards freedom of speech in the form of liberals and the so-called "9-11 Truthers":

Quote:

"We ought to find the people who are doing this, take them out and shoot them. Really. You take them out, they are traitors to this country, and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I'll pay for the bullets. How about you take Mark Dice out and put him in the middle of a firing range. Tie him to a post, don't blindfold him, let it rip and have some fun with Mark Dice."

Michael Reagan on a broadcast radio show, June 16, 2008



I wonder if he would drag them in the street and "give them a taste of the whip" before he had them shot...


Now, since you asked specifically for my reply, I'll oblige. NO, I don't agree with River6213; I've said as much repeatedly. I stand up for folks like WhoZit and AuRaptor and their right to have their say here, just as I stand up for the rights of others to disprove, mock, and deride their views. As Frem has repeatedly pointed out, a right is only universal if it's shared by EVERYBODY, even those who say things you really wish they wouldn't.

And as Hero correctly pointed out, freedom of speech also means the freedom to leave and NOT speak, as AuRaptor has chosen to do. I support his right to do that. If he's going to be pummeled or given a taste of the whip, it will only be in the metaphorical sense, as far as I'm concerned.

River was over the top and over the line, and stands alone with her point of view, in my opinion. But I'll stand by her right to say what she said.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 5:19 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
I hope you don't expect me or anyone else to believe your "I don't pick sides" self aggrandising nonsense, especially after you've spent every post so far crying about the "unfair and uncalled for" treatment of poor poor shrinking violent AURaptor.



Oh boy. Let me explain, and I will keep it simple.

I would stand up for anyone I think is being treated unfairly (Especially when someone decides to leave)in the RWED. Whether it be Rappy, or yourself. I have no agenda, except for a balanced, thought provoking discussion with others. I don't know why your singling me out, as others have also expressed that they don't want Rappy to leave. If you don't accept that, I don't know what else to say.

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