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S Korea president suicided in World War 3

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:33 AM

PIRATENEWS

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S Korea president allegedly jumps off mountain at home, smashed skull, broken arms, no blood, no autopsy, typed "suicide" note, conveniently kills criminal testimony by organized crime bosses.

Three days of "nuke drills" during his funeral as USA and Commie China prep for WW3, after N Korea kills Korean War truce, declares war on S Korea, Japan and USA.

State Of War Between Two Koreas After Armistice Ended
www.infowars.com/state-of-war-between-two-koreas-after-armistice-ended/

N Korea threatenes US warships
www.infowars.com/north-korea-threatens-to-attack-us-warships/

Former S. Korean President Roh commits "suicide" after "political murder"
www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/23/roh.dead/
www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/26/korea.newswrap/index.html

Bilderberg Group orders genocide of 70% of planet Earth, says convicted-felon Bilderberger infomercial billionaire Kevin Trudeau
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38458

Billary, Bush and Sir Rumsfeld sold nukes to N Korea for Bilderberg secret society to start WW3:

Quote:


Rumsfeld link to sale of reactors to North Korea

By Randeep Ramesh
Sydney Morning Herald
May 10 2003

The US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, sat on the board of a company that three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts of build nuclear weapons.

Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $US200 million contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. He sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $US190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush Administration.

www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/09/1052280441337.html


The two faces of Rumsfeld

2000: director of a company which wins $200m contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea
2002: declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change

Randeep Ramesh
May 9, 2003
London Guardian

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.

Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $200m (£125m) contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. The current defence secretary sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush administration.

www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html


Rummy's North Korea Connection

What did Donald Rumsfeld know about ABB's deal to build nuclear reactors there? And why won't he talk about it?


By Richard Behar
CNN Money
Fortune Magazine
May 12, 2003

Rumsfeld declined requests by FORTUNE to elaborate on his role. But ABB spokesman Bjorn Edlund has told FORTUNE that "board members were informed about this project." And other ABB officials say there is no way such a large and high-stakes project, involving complex questions of liability, would not have come to the attention of the board. "A written summary would probably have gone to the board before the deal was signed," says Robert Newman, a former president of ABB's U.S. nuclear division who spearheaded the project. "I'm sure they were aware."

FORTUNE contacted 15 ABB board members who served at the time the company was bidding for the Pyongyang contract, and all but one declined to comment. That director, who asked not to be identified, says he's convinced that ABB's chairman at the time, Percy Barnevik, told the board about the reactor project in the mid-1990s. "This was a major thing for ABB," the former director says, "and extensive political lobbying was done."

ABB, which was already building eight nuclear reactors in South Korea, had an inside track on the $4 billion U.S.-sponsored North Korea project. The firm was told "our participation is essential," recalls Frank Murray, project manager for the reactors. (He plays the same role now at Westinghouse, which was acquired by Britain's BNFL in 1999, a year before it also bought ABB's nuclear power business.) The North Korean reactors are being primarily funded by South Korean and Japanese export-import banks and supervised by KEDO, a consortium based in New York.

Even so, ABB tried to keep its involvement hush-hush. In a 1995 letter from ABB to the Department of Energy obtained by FORTUNE, the firm requested authorization to release technology to the North Koreans, then asked that the seemingly innocuous one-page letter be withheld from public disclosure. "Everything was held close to the vest for some reason," says Ronald Kurtz, ABB's U.S. spokesman. "It wasn't as public as contracts of this magnitude typically are."

Given the Republican outcry over the reactor deal, Rumsfeld's public silence is nearly deafening. "Almost any Republican was complaining about it," says Winston Lord, President Clinton's assistant secretary of state for East Asian/Pacific Affairs.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/05/12/3423
16/index.htm




Ain't it funny how the pathological liars in the Media Mafia censor this fact when they report this week on N Korea's nuke test? Ain't it funny that Uncle Scam has already nuked USA over 1,050 times, according to History Channel? Ain't it funny that the Jewish Israeli citizen hired by Jr Bush to run US Dept of Homeland Security (Michael Chertoff) orders the borders to remain wide open to 10,000 terrorists every day, and even the San Diego Fence has giant "concrete water drainage ditches" large enough for 5 terrorists to walk side by side under the "fence"?

North Korea is just following orders from the New World Odor of the Illuminati, just like Noriega, Saddam, Qadaffi, Ho Chi Min, Castro, Stalin, Hitler, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush and Bush.

Sir Donald also gave WMDs to Saddam during his infamous videotaped meeting in Iraq.


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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:23 AM

BYTEMITE


America has been the source of nukes for EVERY country that has them, that's nothing new. *sighs in dismay all the same*

But the President of South Korea committed "suicide?"

Oh shit. o.o

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
America has been the source of nukes for EVERY country that has them, that's nothing new. *sighs in dismay all the same*

But the President of South Korea committed "suicide?"

Oh shit. o.o



EX-President. I notice PN likes to leave out such annoying things as "facts"...

This has all the global impact of Ronald Reagan dying - which is to say, none at all.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:44 AM

BYTEMITE


Oops.

Well, if the current president died, it would be a Very Bad Thing.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:38 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


So this is why Kim-Jong is blasting off those nukes?

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:22 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
America has been the source of nukes for EVERY country that has them, that's nothing new. *sighs in dismay all the same*

But the President of South Korea committed "suicide?"

Oh shit. o.o



EX-President. I notice PN likes to leave out such annoying things as "facts"...

This has all the global impact of Ronald Reagan dying - which is to say, none at all.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.



The ex president who was the closest to having a peace dialog with North Korea ever, until the Bush admin began to make waves and killed any progress that had been made.

Then some corruption charges appeared ( nothing that went to court I believe ) and wiped out the guys political career.

The timing sure is strange, if nothing else



" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 6:36 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
America has been the source of nukes for EVERY country that has them, that's nothing new. *sighs in dismay all the same*


The French (allegedly French-Israeli) Nuclear program was independent (with some help from the British, but without American knowledge or consent), America's Manhattan project was actually a joint American-British project, India's nuclear program was independent as was Pakistan. Same with South Africa. Soviet Russia may have gained some information through spying on the Manhattan project, but they're program was still independent similarly I don't see how North Korea or China could have gotten Nuclear Weapons from the States either.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:41 AM

BYTEMITE


It's not the American government exactly, but blackmarket dealings through the weapons manufacturers, often with the knowledge of government officials.

Perhaps to say we have given ALL the nukes out there isn't correct, and I don't have the proof to back that up anyway. But the American government and it's associated industrial military complex have a long history of supplying and arming people they really shouldn't have been. Russia I'll grant was probably independent, and they probably helped China, but the others, I have my doubts. China is the biggest influence on North Korea, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of our technology has made it there.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:54 AM

FREMDFIRMA


During the Clinton administration there was some level of espionage by the Chinese we turned a blind eye to in exchange for other concessions, and given how counterproductive our so-called security is, the potential for a leak existed, but frankly I highly doubt that would have resulted in China learning anything they didn't already know by then - besides, that was mostly corporate espionage that was goin on.

And one reason you shouldn't hire Wackenhut, aka Group 4 Securicorp, to protect anything of a sensitive nature, but given their history the damn fools in question shoulda known better in the first place.

As for the Chinese and the Russians, our so-called ally in the middle east who shall not be named, was ever so happy to sell them anything they wanted in exchange for weapons and concessions - one reason anyone with half a brain would not have trusted the backstabbing bastards in the first place, but we do, and keep doing it, and keep payin for it too...

Anyhows, that's one genie I doubt anyone can stuff back in the bottle, since enough information is wilded by now that anyone with the appropriate materials can build something pretty nasty - hell, we got some nutter down the road from here who came damn close to building a functional breeder reactor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

Davie boy is a genuine mad scientist type, which isn't exactly rare around here, but he's done worse harm to himself than anyone around here would do him - let's just say if you ever want to find the guy just pull out a geiger counter, he himself is radioactive enough the standing in proximity to him ain't all that hot of an idea.

Anyhow, someone determined *enough* can build a bomb, given time and materials - the better solution is not putting folk in a situation where they feel they NEED one, which is kinda what we did with puffer-fish boy in North Korea.

For all his bluster he seems more intent on cutting a better deal for himself and getting a seat at the big boys table than actually DOING anything, but he's freakin paranoid enough to be of mild concern, a threat better addressed by making sure he's got no chance of pursuing a conventional engagement while hiding behind his nuclear "shield" than by trying to panic him into using it offensively.

South Korea, China, and Russia can prettymuch handle this matter without our ham-fisted bull in a china shop "intervention" and would obviously prefer to do so, ergo our role should simply be standing by as backup and an extra big stick if they feel such is needed, which is what a good ally does.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Actually Byte, since subtle allusion wouldn't be of any use to you not knowing the history...

The Israelis either stole, or were given by sympathetic folks in our Gov, the W88 diagrams, but were unable to produce or assemble them, and as such turned to China to do so in exchange for the information itself, and despite them sabotaging the designs before they handed em over (being that they could then put the things back together correctly when they got them) the Chinese are not stupid, and using information obtained via other means and an understanding of the basic principles, had no real problem building their own warheads soon thereafter.

As usual, once again sold out and backstabbed by our so-called allies who seem to do naught else BUT plant knives in our back at every opportunity, and yet remain the single largest recipient of US Foreign Aid, coming to about 31% of total expenditure, not including massive amounts of military hardware sold at pennies on the dollar to them, despite their long history of treachery, espionage, and even terrorism against our people.

Cases in point, and I will restrict this list to stuff they have *admitted to*-
The Lavon Affair, Pan-Am 103 and baiting us into bombing Quadaffi for it, USS Liberty incident, Urban Moving Systems, Comverse Infosystems, AMDOCS, the so-called "Art Students", and the AIPAC scandal.
(Feel free to google any of that crap, and then ponder that this is just the stuff they'll admit to!)

Believe me, Byte - if anyone else on the planet did half that crap to us, we'd be at war with them.

Anyhows, if you wanna know where China got the bomb, look no further than our so called allies and treacherous "friends" over there in Tel Aviv.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Anyhows, if you wanna know where China got the bomb, look no further than our so called allies and treacherous "friends" over there in Tel Aviv.



Now the Israelis are ordering US lawyers to sue Iran for 9.11, since Bush and SCOTUS said suing the Bin Ladens and Saudis is not allowed. Those lawyers just returned from Israel.
www.september11classaction.com

I was talking to an Iranian-American last night. He was riding his bike 75 miles, at night, in the mountains of TN and NC. He was prepping for a 750 mile bike race in VA. He just had quad heart bypass. He was an old man. He said its absurd to blame Iran for 9.11, since Iran hates AllCIAduh.

Israel, of course, whats to bomb Iran. Perhaps nuke it. Which will double the price of oil, again.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:35 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's not the American government exactly, but blackmarket dealings through the weapons manufacturers, often with the knowledge of government officials.

Perhaps to say we have given ALL the nukes out there isn't correct, and I don't have the proof to back that up anyway. But the American government and it's associated industrial military complex have a long history of supplying and arming people they really shouldn't have been. Russia I'll grant was probably independent, and they probably helped China, but the others, I have my doubts. China is the biggest influence on North Korea, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of our technology has made it there.


The Manhattan Project was a joint project, so you can't say Britain got it's Atomic Weapons from the US. When it came too developing Fusion Weapons (thermonuclear) the British program was entirely independent. Britain got design specifications for American weapons, only after the British thermonuclear project proved fruitful, under the US/UK mutual defence agreement of 1958.

France had help from Britain to build an atomic weapon, but this happened prior to 1958, and was atomic rather than thermonuclear. France then did benefit from technology and expertise of the Joint British-American Manhattan project, but French Weapons are still of French design and construction.

It's difficult to believe that North Korea would have been supplied with American nuclear weapons technology, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, North Korea is a communist nation, so through the entire stretch of the Cold War it was an enemy of the United States, supplying North Korea with American Nuclear technology would be the same thing as Supplying the Soviet Union with it, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. There's also the fact that technically the United States is at War with North Korea to this day, since the Korean War never ended, it's just in the midst of a protracted cease fire. A cease fire that is no longer in effect, since North Korea recently withdrew from it.

The fact is the hardest part of building Nuclear weapons in today's world is probably getting fissionable material, not building the weapons themselves. In fact I heard about some College Physics Student who designed a nuclear weapon, that would have worked if built and supplied with weapons grade materials, with nothing more than unclassified public texts. Nuclear weapons really aren't particularly difficult pieces of technology to build, once certain points are known.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:43 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The Israelis either stole, or were given by sympathetic folks in our Gov, the W88 diagrams, but were unable to produce or assemble them, and as such turned to China to do so in exchange for the information itself, and despite them sabotaging the designs before they handed em over (being that they could then put the things back together correctly when they got them) the Chinese are not stupid, and using information obtained via other means and an understanding of the basic principles, had no real problem building their own warheads soon thereafter.


The W88 was designed in the 1970's, China's first Thermonuclear test was in 1967, thereby pre-dating the existence of the W88 design program, let alone blueprints for the weapon, by some years.

They did gain W88 design information, which allowed them to improve their own designs in the 1980's.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:37 AM

BYTEMITE


Oh, right. Forgot to include Britain and France in there along with Russia.

I'm not saying it's a direct thing, but I think America has been majorly to blame with a number of developing and rogue nations getting the atomic bomb.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:58 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm not saying it's a direct thing, but I think America has been majorly to blame with a number of developing and rogue nations getting the atomic bomb.


You're probably right, but I suspect that it's down to the trend of America trying diplomacy with nuclear states, and bombs with non-nuclear ones. It sends the message that nuclear weapons are a rather vital component of national defence for anyone who isn't an American ally.

EDIT:
If Indian got technical help from anyone, it would have been the Russians, since they were aligned to the Soviet Union during the cold war. Pakistan might have received US help, as a US ally opposed to the Soviet nuclear ally India. I've seen no evidence to suggest it though, and it makes the intermittent US sanctions against Pakistan due to it's Nuclear Program, a little odd.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:59 AM

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Whenever I see a thread posted by you, John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org, I wonder if you have anything to do with this chap - Captain DJ of the famous BBC children's programme Space Pirates.



The similarities are eerie. Firstly, he is a pirate. Secondly, he is into broadcasting. Thirdly, he's always on and one programme is very much like another. Fourthly, he has a very large moustache. You have a very large moustache, right?

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:03 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
America has been the source of nukes for EVERY country that has them, that's nothing new. *sighs in dismay all the same*


The French (allegedly French-Israeli) Nuclear program was independent (with some help from the British, but without American knowledge or consent), America's Manhattan project was actually a joint American-British project, India's nuclear program was independent as was Pakistan. Same with South Africa. Soviet Russia may have gained some information through spying on the Manhattan project, but they're program was still independent similarly I don't see how North Korea or China could have gotten Nuclear Weapons from the States either.



Canada actually contributed to the India bomb... and the American bomb...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction



" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:26 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
and the American bomb...


As did Australia, but that was under the British program that joined forces with the Manhattan project. I had thought that Canada was brought in under similar circumstances?

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Monday, June 1, 2009 6:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

The W88 was designed in the 1970's, China's first Thermonuclear test was in 1967, thereby pre-dating the existence of the W88 design program, let alone blueprints for the weapon, by some years.

They did gain W88 design information, which allowed them to improve their own designs in the 1980's.


Thanks for the timeline update, Cit.

Yeah, what they had back in 67 was shockingly primitive, and getting their hands on the W88 like that gave em a 10-12 year jump, unfortunate, but like I said, once that genie gets out...

As for how the Izzies got it, I highly suspect that damn maniac Teller, which is kind of ironic given that he wanted Oppenheimers clearance revoked (mostly cause Oppie was too pacifist for his liking) despite him being the greater risk.

THAT jackass was another one I was tempted to go hammer a stake in when he capped it in 2003, cause he offended me on levels I can't even express in mere words.

Disclaimer: I have a *religious* objection to nuclear weapons as a whole, it's one thing to steal the fire of the gods to power our cities, which does indeed come with it's own dangerous consequences - but to me the ultimate act of blasphemy and desecration to use such a thing as a weapon against each other.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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