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Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker

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Monday, May 18, 2009 4:18 AM

BADKARMA00


This would be funnier if it wasn't so serious

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/17/oops-biden-reveals-location
-secret-vp-bunker/?test=latestnews


I think the worst part is that this man is only one heartbeat away from the Presidency. I mean, I'm all for the Freedom of Information act, and I'm serious about that, but we do have a few secrets that need to stay. . .well, secrets.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 4:53 AM

HKCAVALIER


???

It sure doesn't sound like this "secret VP bunker" was any kind of official/traditional haven--it's just Cheney's paranoiac getaway. Why shouldn't Biden disclose that?

Or were you goin' for the funny, as in, "some things should remain secret...like Cheney's embarrassing/pathetic/absurd obsessions?"

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Monday, May 18, 2009 4:57 AM

BADKARMA00


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
???

It sure doesn't sound like this "secret VP bunker" was any kind of official/traditional haven--it's just Cheney's paranoiac getaway. Why shouldn't Biden disclose that?



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Uh, gee, I dunno, maybe to try and keep anyone from, uh, BOMBING IT?

Just a thought of course. This was supposed to be a way to protect the VP in the event that, God Forbid, we have another terrorist attack.

If you make the terrorists actually look for the targets, it may take them longer to find them, lol.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 5:44 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Why shouldn't Biden disclose that?


Because "undisclosed location" sounds good. It sounds serious. It sounds like in the middle of an attack its all going to be ok because somewhere out there the folks in charge are running the show.

Somehow saying the VP is "in the basement" does not have have the same ring to it.

H

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Monday, May 18, 2009 5:59 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Y'all are makin a mistake takin that guy for stupid.

That was no more an accident than the whole diplomatic slams against the British, and by giving him a pass on "stupidity" you fall right into the trap.

There's a long step of difference between playing dumb, and being dumb.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 6:50 AM

SIXGUNRONIN


[QUOTE}
Just a thought of course. This was supposed to be a way to protect the VP in the event that, God Forbid, we have another terrorist attack.

If you make the terrorists actually look for the targets, it may take them longer to find them, lol.




yeah, but if we let them know about targets that no one would be upset to lose, maybe we could avoid the loss of innocent life at a potential target that we do care about.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 9:34 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Or were you goin' for the funny, as in, "some things should remain secret...like Cheney's embarrassing/pathetic/absurd obsessions?"

HKCavalier



I assume your referring to Cheney's obsession with keeping his family, staff and the American people safe. To bad Biden doesn't seem to care about the same.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 10:08 AM

BADKARMA00


Quote:

Originally posted by SixGunRonin:
[QUOTE}
Just a thought of course. This was supposed to be a way to protect the VP in the event that, God Forbid, we have another terrorist attack.

If you make the terrorists actually look for the targets, it may take them longer to find them, lol.




yeah, but if we let them know about targets that no one would be upset to lose, maybe we could avoid the loss of innocent life at a potential target that we do care about.

With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.


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Well, it just so happens that the Naval Observatory is in a residential neighborhood, so it would be a bad thing if it where hit by terrorists.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 10:09 AM

RUE

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"Because "undisclosed location" sounds good. It sounds serious."

It sounds like he was in the bathroom having a nervous poop, and no one wanted to say that out loud.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 10:12 AM

BADKARMA00


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Y'all are makin a mistake takin that guy for stupid.

That was no more an accident than the whole diplomatic slams against the British, and by giving him a pass on "stupidity" you fall right into the trap.

There's a long step of difference between playing dumb, and being dumb.

-F



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I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, Frem, and I agree. although at this point, I'm boredering on being convinced that 'Joe' is stupid.

Still, you're right, it's better not to assume things.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 10:14 AM

RUE

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"I assume your referring to Cheney's obsession with keeping his family, staff and the American people safe. To bad Biden doesn't seem to care about the same."

You mean Biden doesn't care about keeping Cheney and Cheney's family and staff safe ? Or did you mean that the American people would fit into the bunker ?

What did you mean ? It came out all scrambly.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 10:14 AM

BADKARMA00


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Why shouldn't Biden disclose that?


Because "undisclosed location" sounds good. It sounds serious. It sounds like in the middle of an attack its all going to be ok because somewhere out there the folks in charge are running the show.

Somehow saying the VP is "in the basement" does not have have the same ring to it.

H

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Ya know, I hadn't even thought about it like that. That does make sense. And I agree, undisclosed location does sound more confidence inspiring than 'in the basement', lol.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 11:08 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


My honest opinion of Biden is that he's a little bit crazy. Not a River-lunatic..no no. I mean, juuuust a little bit. And there's good reason. The poor guys wife and 1-year old daughter were killed horribly. That would unhinge anyone.

Joe's got a proven track record of mis-stepping politcally by saying two kinds of things:
1. Slightly offbeat stuff/bad jokes.
2. What he's actually thinking at the moment.

He reminds me of Admrial Stockdale, the man who ran as VP for Ross Perot in 1992. That guy did the same things and for similar reasons, he was locked up with McCain and others in the Hanoi Hilton and tortured for 6 years.

I don't blame Biden for his behavior. Per a line from his Wiki article, after his wife and girl were killed he said I'd walk around seedy neighborhoods at night when I thought there was a better chance of finding a fight. I had not known I was capable of such rage. I felt God had played a horrible trick on me.

Like I said, I don't blame him. What does worry me however is why the Democratic Party wanted to nominate him. Everyone knows that a VP is picked to bring to a ticket the qualities the main candidate lacks. Example: Palin was picked because she was a woman in a time after Hillary lost by a hair. Joe was picked because he's a Good-time-charlie. There were plenty of other Dems that could have brought a feisty experienced atmosphere to counter-balance Barack's lack of experience. But why Joe? I really just don't get it. I'll admit that it can be refreshing to get a leader who actually says what he thinks, and we've certainly had a few over the years, (Teddy Rosevelt, Truman) but those guys also had a little wisdom mixed with their fire to know when to walk slower (TR: walk softly and carry a big stick) Joe scares me in that if he ever assumed the role of President he might say crazy stuff on a more focused world stage.

Ah well. What will be, will be.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 3:58 PM

BADKARMA00


Everythings okay now! Biden's aide reports that the VP was merely describing a guest bedroom at the historic Naval Observatory, the official residence of the Vice President, when he described a tour given him by a naval officer that included 'a masive steel door masking the entrance way to the area where Dick Cheney spent his 'undisclosed location time' in the aftermath of 9/11. ( note sarcasm )

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/18/biden-denies-leaking-classi
fied-location-cheney-bunker
/

Good thing there's always an aide around to clear up what Bite'n 'really' means.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 4:03 PM

BADKARMA00


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
My honest opinion of Biden is that he's a little bit crazy. Not a River-lunatic..no no. I mean, juuuust a little bit. And there's good reason. The poor guys wife and 1-year old daughter were killed horribly. That would unhinge anyone.

Joe's got a proven track record of mis-stepping politcally by saying two kinds of things:
1. Slightly offbeat stuff/bad jokes.
2. What he's actually thinking at the moment.

He reminds me of Admrial Stockdale, the man who ran as VP for Ross Perot in 1992. That guy did the same things and for similar reasons, he was locked up with McCain and others in the Hanoi Hilton and tortured for 6 years.

I don't blame Biden for his behavior. Per a line from his Wiki article, after his wife and girl were killed he said I'd walk around seedy neighborhoods at night when I thought there was a better chance of finding a fight. I had not known I was capable of such rage. I felt God had played a horrible trick on me.

Like I said, I don't blame him. What does worry me however is why the Democratic Party wanted to nominate him. Everyone knows that a VP is picked to bring to a ticket the qualities the main candidate lacks. Example: Palin was picked because she was a woman in a time after Hillary lost by a hair. Joe was picked because he's a Good-time-charlie. There were plenty of other Dems that could have brought a feisty experienced atmosphere to counter-balance Barack's lack of experience. But why Joe? I really just don't get it. I'll admit that it can be refreshing to get a leader who actually says what he thinks, and we've certainly had a few over the years, (Teddy Rosevelt, Truman) but those guys also had a little wisdom mixed with their fire to know when to walk slower (TR: walk softly and carry a big stick) Joe scares me in that if he ever assumed the role of President he might say crazy stuff on a more focused world stage.

Ah well. What will be, will be.



I wasn't aware of that, at least I don't remember ever hearing it. And, considering how much he derided HObamaman during the primary it was a surprise to me to, in all honesty. And I agree that something like that is enough to make anyone a little off.

And I remember James Stockdale. I also remember how he was mercilessly hounded for his 'odd' behavior by certain other people in political circles. A shame, considering what he'd been through. But there's a history in this country among some to denigrate the sacrifices made by our veterans.

Funny, using your 'freedom of speech' to vilify the very men, and women, who work and often die to protect that freedom, ain't it.

It's almost like. . .irony.

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Monday, May 18, 2009 5:36 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


Does anyone remember the secret Cold War hideaway for Congress etc at the Greenbriar resort in West Virginia? It was secret for many years until it was uncovered and now I think it's on their tour.

I'm sure there are many "hiddy holes" we don't know about all over the DC, Virginia and Maryland area.

And I just hope for our sakes that Biden is "crazy like a fox."

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Monday, May 18, 2009 10:54 PM

BADKARMA00


Quote:

Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Does anyone remember the secret Cold War hideaway for Congress etc at the Greenbriar resort in West Virginia? It was secret for many years until it was uncovered and now I think it's on their tour.

I'm sure there are many "hiddy holes" we don't know about all over the DC, Virginia and Maryland area.

And I just hope for our sakes that Biden is "crazy like a fox."

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I actually do remember that. It had been, I think, a resort at one time, is that right? I can't remember that part for sure, it's been along time since I read about it.

Seems like part of what I read was that it also served as a 'resting place' so to speak, for congressional and goverment types who had come near to cracking over the stress of the Cold War days, but I may be confusing that with something else.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:53 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Well, the thing about Biden being a little "off" because of hard life experiences...

You know, that's prettymuch the ONLY way a politician learns empathy or compassion whatsoever, yes ?

Those among us who have fallen the lowest, the deepest, and somehow survived and climbed back out of the death spiral, despite their quirks are some of the most human, compassionate people out there, because they KNOW, in a way that cannot be ignored or forgotten, what the darkness holds, and when they see others sliding to the void they're the first to throw the rope.

And when they see someone else pushin folk over the edge for power or gain, they've no respect for em - believe me, I wholeheartedly believe that if Cheney ever stuck his neck out far enough (which he won't, cause he's a fearful, cowardly, paranoid little git) that Biden would make his ass *dissappear*, and quicklike - remember this is a guy who has "friends in low places" which most politicians do not, and intel contacts with the same sorta folk.

So don't take the man for an idiot, were he that, he'd be dead - this is a guy whos been to the bottom of the rabbit hole and back again, that *changes* a person, if they come back at all.

He might be kooky, inarticulate and seem on first glance a little dim, but if you look at his life, history and political record (note the fact that for a congressman he's dirt freakin poor) this is a guy who puts HIS ethics first, and while they are different than ours, and on many matters I am certain many of his constituents disagree with em, at least he HAS ethics.

There's more to it, but I have neither the time nor inclination to go into it, beyond pointing out that one reason he escapes notice is also because he is like me, a puppetmaster, and does his best work by proxy.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:59 AM

NCBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by badkarma00:
Quote:

Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Does anyone remember the secret Cold War hideaway for Congress etc at the Greenbriar resort in West Virginia? It was secret for many years until it was uncovered and now I think it's on their tour.

I'm sure there are many "hiddy holes" we don't know about all over the DC, Virginia and Maryland area.

And I just hope for our sakes that Biden is "crazy like a fox."

http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/










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I actually do remember that. It had been, I think, a resort at one time, is that right? I can't remember that part for sure, it's been along time since I read about it.

Seems like part of what I read was that it also served as a 'resting place' so to speak, for congressional and goverment types who had come near to cracking over the stress of the Cold War days, but I may be confusing that with something else.

Bad_karma
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It wasn't a resting place. It was an underground bunker with dorms, a hosptial, meeting rooms etc.

"In the late 1950s, the U.S. government approached The Greenbrier for assistance in creating a secret emergency relocation center to house Congress in the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust. The classified, underground facility, dubbed "Project Greek Island",[6] was built at the same time as the West Virginia Wing (an above-ground addition to the hotel), from 1959 to 1962. For thirty years, The Greenbrier owners maintained an agreement with the federal government that, in the event of an international crisis, the entire resort property would be conveyed to government use, specifically as the emergency location for the legislative branch.

The underground facility contained a dormitory, kitchen, hospital, and a broadcast center for members of Congress. The latter had changeable seasonal backdrops to appear as if members of Congress were broadcasting from Washington, D.C.[citation needed] A 100-foot radio tower was installed 4.5 miles away for these broadcasts. The convention center, used by The Greenbrier guests for business meetings, was actually a disguised workstation area for members of Congress complete with hidden, 30-ton blast doors. The walls of the bunker were made of reinforced concrete designed to withstand a nuclear blast in Washington, D.C.

The center was maintained by government workers posing as hotel audiovisual employees, and operated under a dummy company named Forsythe Associates. Many of these same workers are now employed by the hotel and, for a time, gave guided tours. The complex is still maintained by The Greenbrier, and the facility remains much as it was in 1992, when the secret was revealed in the national press. While almost all of the furnishings were removed following the decommissioning of the bunker, the facility now has similar period furnishings to approximate what the bunker looked like while it was still in operation. Two of the original bunks in the dormitories remain.

AT&T provided phone service for both The Greenbrier Hotel and the bunker. All calls placed from the bunker were routed through the hotel's switchboard to make it appear as if they originated from the hotel itself. The communications center in the bunker today contains representatives of three generations of telephone technology used.

Although the bunker was kept stocked with supplies for 30 years, it was never actually used as an emergency location, even during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The bunker's existence was not acknowledged until The Washington Post revealed it in a 1992 story; immediately after the Post story, the government decommissioned the bunker.

The facility has since been renovated and is also used as a data storage facility for the private sector. It is once again featured as an attraction in which visitors can tour the now declassified facilities, now known as The Bunker."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greenbrier

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:04 AM

KWICKO

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Quote:

Good thing there's always an aide around to clear up what Bite'n 'really' means.



Yeah, if only Cheney would have had an aide around to explain what he "really meant" by shooting his friend in the face. Hell, if only SOMEONE had been around to talk to the press or police about it, 'cause Cheney sure wasn't making himself available...



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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:25 AM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, the thing about Biden being a little "off" because of hard life experiences...

You know, that's prettymuch the ONLY way a politician learns empathy or compassion whatsoever, yes ?

Those among us who have fallen the lowest, the deepest, and somehow survived and climbed back out of the death spiral, despite their quirks are some of the most human, compassionate people out there, because they KNOW, in a way that cannot be ignored or forgotten, what the darkness holds, and when they see others sliding to the void they're the first to throw the rope.

And when they see someone else pushin folk over the edge for power or gain, they've no respect for em - believe me, I wholeheartedly believe that if Cheney ever stuck his neck out far enough (which he won't, cause he's a fearful, cowardly, paranoid little git) that Biden would make his ass *dissappear*, and quicklike - remember this is a guy who has "friends in low places" which most politicians do not, and intel contacts with the same sorta folk.

So don't take the man for an idiot, were he that, he'd be dead - this is a guy whos been to the bottom of the rabbit hole and back again, that *changes* a person, if they come back at all.

He might be kooky, inarticulate and seem on first glance a little dim, but if you look at his life, history and political record (note the fact that for a congressman he's dirt freakin poor) this is a guy who puts HIS ethics first, and while they are different than ours, and on many matters I am certain many of his constituents disagree with em, at least he HAS ethics.



Hey Frem,

Thanks for that. It's weird how little nonevent threads like this can bring out the ugly in people. Some here actually believe that suffering tragic loss makes people stupid and crazy.

Some here believe that Cheney had/has our best interests uppermost, when in practice the Bush/Cheney admin was rife with cronyism, nepotism and purely political appointees. Time and again, the exec branch dropped the ball because one of their appointees were simply incompetent or vicious.

And yet, like my pocket full of magic anti-polar bear dust, they "kept us safe."

Look, Cheney made up his little hidy hole and publicized it to gratify his own grandiosity and the authoritarians among us ate it up with a spoon. How many times did we hear about the President being in an "undisclosed location?" None that I can recall. Does that mean he wasn't safe, or didn't have anywhere to hide? Of course not. The "undisclosed location" was a publicity stunt, part of the Cheney "mystique." That Cheney actually had a tricked out secret bunker attests to his own crazy, not Biden's.

I'm glad Biden made a joke of Cheney's "undisclosed location," 'cause that's all it was.

HKCavalier

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:07 AM

BADKARMA00


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Good thing there's always an aide around to clear up what Bite'n 'really' means.



Yeah, if only Cheney would have had an aide around to explain what he "really meant" by shooting his friend in the face. Hell, if only SOMEONE had been around to talk to the press or police about it, 'cause Cheney sure wasn't making himself available...



Mike

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Hey now, accidents do happen. And, the dude he shot wasn't supposed to be up on his left, according to the shooting pattern they had worked out to bird hunt, and that's according to the guy who got shot. He said he was at fault, even though Cheney kept blaming himself, even to the press.

I say that as a hunter, mind you, and not as a republican.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:50 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
It's weird how little nonevent threads like this can bring out the ugly in people. Some here actually believe that suffering tragic loss makes people stupid and crazy.


I must have missed that, are we reading the same thread?

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:57 AM

RUE

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"... even though Cheney kept blaming himself, even to the press ..."

But all we have are stories concocted after the event, since Cheney didn't allow the police to do an investigation.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:01 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by badkarma00:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Good thing there's always an aide around to clear up what Bite'n 'really' means.



Yeah, if only Cheney would have had an aide around to explain what he "really meant" by shooting his friend in the face. Hell, if only SOMEONE had been around to talk to the press or police about it, 'cause Cheney sure wasn't making himself available...



Mike

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Hey now, accidents do happen. And, the dude he shot wasn't supposed to be up on his left, according to the shooting pattern they had worked out to bird hunt, and that's according to the guy who got shot. He said he was at fault, even though Cheney kept blaming himself, even to the press.

I say that as a hunter, mind you, and not as a republican.

Bad_karma
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I think you missed the point I was trying to make; perhaps I was too subtle. But in missing the point, you once again helped prove it: The point is, we ALL have our partisan blinders on, in one form or another - even those of us who claim no partisanship. Some here are willing to overlook a "mis-speak" or a gaffe, while others want to point it out as if it were the worst thing in the world - and then those same people might tend to overlook a man shooting another man in the face as a simple "accident" - while the other camp will go on about how evil one must be to ever shoot another person in the face...

Thing is, too many on both sides are willing to completely overlook their sides' "gaffes", no matter how egregious, and are all too willing to stoke the flames over the other side's perceived failings.

I say it in the full knowledge that I'm exactly as guilty of it as anyone else. More than some, less than others...

Mike

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:09 AM

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We always knew Cheney's lair was under the VP residence at the Naval Observatory, since that was in the news when it was built.

Seems the neighbors didn't like the construction disrupting their VIP lives, so they complained to the press.

Like a Homeowners Association complains when your grass is too tall.

If your neighbor built a bunker under his house, in a $100-million govt project, you would know it.

Cheney's lair was just in case the US military, FBI and local cops couldn't be bribed to STFU and stand down from arresting the traitors who perped 9.11.


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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:33 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
It's weird how little nonevent threads like this can bring out the ugly in people. Some here actually believe that suffering tragic loss makes people stupid and crazy.

By that comment are you refering to me?

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:06 PM

BADKARMA00


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by badkarma00:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Good thing there's always an aide around to clear up what Bite'n 'really' means.



Yeah, if only Cheney would have had an aide around to explain what he "really meant" by shooting his friend in the face. Hell, if only SOMEONE had been around to talk to the press or police about it, 'cause Cheney sure wasn't making himself available...



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.



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Hey now, accidents do happen. And, the dude he shot wasn't supposed to be up on his left, according to the shooting pattern they had worked out to bird hunt, and that's according to the guy who got shot. He said he was at fault, even though Cheney kept blaming himself, even to the press.

I say that as a hunter, mind you, and not as a republican.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.



I think you missed the point I was trying to make; perhaps I was too subtle. But in missing the point, you once again helped prove it: The point is, we ALL have our partisan blinders on, in one form or another - even those of us who claim no partisanship. Some here are willing to overlook a "mis-speak" or a gaffe, while others want to point it out as if it were the worst thing in the world - and then those same people might tend to overlook a man shooting another man in the face as a simple "accident" - while the other camp will go on about how evil one must be to ever shoot another person in the face...

Thing is, too many on both sides are willing to completely overlook their sides' "gaffes", no matter how egregious, and are all too willing to stoke the flames over the other side's perceived failings.

I say it in the full knowledge that I'm exactly as guilty of it as anyone else. More than some, less than others...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.



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Yeah, I get that. Me too.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:47 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Thanks for that. It's weird how little nonevent threads like this can bring out the ugly in people. Some here actually believe that suffering tragic loss makes people stupid and crazy.

You're welcome, amazing how our culture has slanted our morality to the point where actual human empathy qualifies as "stupid and crazy" cause those pesky morals get in the way of a proper citizens upright arrogant sociopathy, ain't it ?

Having a little tragedy is ok, but nothing TOO close, oh no, never close enough to actually make someone have to FEEL something about it, of course not, because then they might CARE...

And caring about others in this sociopathy we call society is a faux paus dontcha know.

Being human is NOT a weakness, it is only from our own humanity that true strength comes.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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