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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Unlike those ....

I won't even go there.

Props to the folks down at the GA Tea Party, and everywhere, for showing it's not 'anti' OBAMA, but instead Pro Freedom! Left , Right, Black, White, Brown, Yellow, we ALL hold these truths to be self evident...

“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."





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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:59 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Right on all points this time , Rap...

Good of you to bring this...

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:06 AM

JONGSSTRAW


What the morally bankrupt and corrupt politicians of today need is a good ole' fashioned tarring & feathering. Seeing Pelosi, Dodd, Barney Frank and others run out of Washington under the lashings of a cat-o-nine-tails, then stripped and covered in hot tar, would be the justice they deserve. Colonial rebels in Boston did it to the King's tax agents. Further protestations against domestic tyranny grew to outright insurrection, which was the spark that led to the birth of our nation.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What the morally bankrupt and corrupt politicians of today need is a good ole' fashioned tarring & feathering. Seeing Pelosi, Dodd, Barney Frank and others run out of Washington under the lashings of a cat-o-nine-tails, then stripped and covered in hot tar, would be the justice they deserve. Colonial rebels in Boston did it to the King's tax agents. Further protestations against domestic tyranny grew to outright insurrection, which was the spark that led to the birth of our nation.



And yet you were oddly silent while the Bush administration put all these policies in place...

You're not so much against tyranny itself - you're just against it when you think it's being imposed upon you from the left. If it comes from the right, you'll GLADLY bend over and take it.



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
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Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:36 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What the morally bankrupt and corrupt politicians of today need is a good ole' fashioned tarring & feathering...

...Further protestations against domestic tyranny grew to outright insurrection, which was the spark that led to the birth of our nation.




There's plenty of morally bankrupt and corrupt on both sides of the aisle...

Let's not be excludin' people...That'd be rude !

Of the 535 in Congress , probably 530 of them need to be sent a message in the strongest of terms...

And whoever drafted that DHS document referencing emerging 'right-wing extremism' should be among the first in line , right after their 'superiors'...

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:12 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet you were oddly silent while the Bush administration put all these policies in place...

You're not so much against tyranny itself - you're just against it when you think it's being imposed upon you from the left. If it comes from the right, you'll GLADLY bend over and take it.

I'm so glad you posted that, because it serves the purpose of pointing out how harmful divisive retoric has become. At the Indianapolis Tea Party yesterday this point was made again and again:

"You are here because your government has become tryanical. You are as angry at the CURRENT state of tyranny as the PREVIOUS. You are not a 'Republican' or a 'Democrat'. You are an american."

My tea party rally was not absent of democrats. Pleanty of hoosier dems were at my event with their own signs declaring what all of us felt, that taxing the people for one penny more than is needed to run the government is robbery.

I took a great picture with myself (libertarian) standing with a well known local GOP state rep and a Dem activist. We were just one Tea Party of 3000 true, but there were 800 rallies total. And this was REAL BI-PARTISAN GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM. Nowhere in the crowd were people bussed in like the Acorn folks are known to do. These were plumbers, doctors, contractors, farmers, service workers, ect... We were all americans united for 2 hours. Politicans were barred from speaking. And plenty wanted to! This was an event the likes of which has not been seen for a long long time. I was honored to be a small part of mine. Our keynote speaker was the reinactor Thomas Payne. He delivered a wonderful speech about Common Sense. I wish I could explain how awsome his words were to hear, but I don't have to. Listen for yourself:




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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:22 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet you were oddly silent while the Bush administration put all these policies in place...

You're not so much against tyranny itself - you're just against it when you think it's being imposed upon you from the left. If it comes from the right, you'll GLADLY bend over and take it.



I'm so glad you posted that, because it serves the purpose of pointing out how harmful divisive retoric has become. At the Indianapolis Tea Party yesterday this point was made again and again:

"You are here because your government has become tryanical. You are as angry at the CURRENT state of tyranny as the PREVIOUS. You are not a "republican" or a "Democrat". You are an american."

My tea party rally was not absent of democrats. Pleanty of hoosier dems were at my event with their own signs declaring what all of us felt, that taxing the people for one penny more than is needed to run the government is robbery.

I took a great picture with myself (libertarian) standing with a well known local GOP state rep and a Dem activist. We were just one Tea Party of 3000 true, but there were 800 rallies total. And this was REAL BI-PARTISAN GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM. Nowhere in the crowd were people bussed in like the Acorn folks are known to do. These were plumbers, doctors, contractors, farmers, service workers, ect... We were all americans united for 2 hours. Politicans were barred from speaking. And plenty wanted to! This was an event the likes of which has not been seen for a long long time. I was honored to be a small part of mine.


Great post! You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful of Bush victim though. Bush did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner. He cannot function on a human level any longer. Everything he thinks and does is all hate-Bush related. It consumes his katra. We're doing a case study on the phenomenon here, with many of his sadly pitiful kindred Bush haters taking part. Some are showing some limited progress, but it doesn't look good for a real recovery any time soon.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
[Of the 535 in Congress , probably 530 of them need to be sent a message in the strongest of terms...

And whoever drafted that DHS document referencing emerging 'right-wing extremism' should be among the first in line , right after their 'superiors'..


What message would that be? Is Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi going to listen to your message? Best solution is to slip Bill Ayers a C note, and let him blow up the Capitol Bldg. That would send a message the Liberals would just love....their very own chickens come home to roost.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:43 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Some are showing some limited progress, but it doesn't look good for a real recovery any time soon.



Sad but true. Even in a best-case-scenario, the damage done by the Bush administration will be with us for decades.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:52 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
We're doing a case study on the phenomenon here, with many of his sadly pitiful kindred Bush haters taking part. Some are showing some limited progress, but it doesn't look good for a real recovery any time soon.



It's very strange to me how I'll have a discussion of a subject & then immediately hear it again from another direction. A main focus of talk amongst Tea Partiers (100's of strangers talking amongst themselves after the event ended) was how EMOTION always clouds REASON. Politically, the extension of that subject has been how angry, seething, bush-hating people cannot let go of the past. Some cannot even come to terms with the fact that everything is different. Totally and radically different. So intense is the anger that there is no true focus to the emotion anymore. It blasts out in all directions in the form of empty divisive retoric. These things have happened before with Nixon, though few of us were alive then to know it. I wasn't.

The important thing for us yesterday was the awareness of going forward, and to stop thinking about what's past. These events are being painted by the press as being "radical right-wing" but if that was true why were there so many "Bush was Terrible" catcalls at mine? If it was right-wing why do I have pictures of proudly desplayed Dem signs? Please listen to Thomas Payne in the youtube vid. He is not partisian. Not at all. And the issues he raise cut right down the center of the polarized retroic. Please attend his words as he repeats again and again the phrase "Your non-Representing Representitives" It's because of him that I now have a new quote:

Tolerance is the virtue of a dying society. -Aristotle


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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
[Of the 535 in Congress , probably 530 of them need to be sent a message in the strongest of terms...

And whoever drafted that DHS document referencing emerging 'right-wing extremism' should be among the first in line , right after their 'superiors'..


What message would that be? Is Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi going to listen to your message? Best solution is to slip Bill Ayers a C note, and let him blow up the Capitol Bldg. That would send a message the Liberals would just love....their very own chickens come home to roost.



Thank you for proving the point of the DHS memo! You ARE a batshit-crazy right-wing nutcase!

Expect a knock on the door very soon... I'm sure DHS will be glad to read your words here.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
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Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet you were oddly silent while the Bush administration put all these policies in place...

You're not so much against tyranny itself - you're just against it when you think it's being imposed upon you from the left. If it comes from the right, you'll GLADLY bend over and take it.



I'm so glad you posted that, because it serves the purpose of pointing out how harmful divisive retoric has become. At the Indianapolis Tea Party yesterday this point was made again and again:

"You are here because your government has become tryanical. You are as angry at the CURRENT state of tyranny as the PREVIOUS. You are not a "republican" or a "Democrat". You are an american."

My tea party rally was not absent of democrats. Pleanty of hoosier dems were at my event with their own signs declaring what all of us felt, that taxing the people for one penny more than is needed to run the government is robbery.

I took a great picture with myself (libertarian) standing with a well known local GOP state rep and a Dem activist. We were just one Tea Party of 3000 true, but there were 800 rallies total. And this was REAL BI-PARTISAN GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM. Nowhere in the crowd were people bussed in like the Acorn folks are known to do. These were plumbers, doctors, contractors, farmers, service workers, ect... We were all americans united for 2 hours. Politicans were barred from speaking. And plenty wanted to! This was an event the likes of which has not been seen for a long long time. I was honored to be a small part of mine.


Great post! You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful of Bush victim though. Bush did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner. He cannot function on a human level any longer. Everything he thinks and does is all hate-Bush related. It consumes his katra. We're doing a case study on the phenomenon here, with many of his sadly pitiful kindred Bush haters taking part. Some are showing some limited progress, but it doesn't look good for a real recovery any time soon.



You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful group of Obama haters, though. Obama did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner. Jongsie cannot function on a human level any longer. Everything he thinks and does is all hate-Obama related.


Damn, Jongs... I thought you were going to take the gloves off and REALLY let us have it from now on. Apparently, gloves on or gloves off, you're still the same pathetic lightweight you've always shown yourself to be.

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Tolerance is the virtue of a dying society. -Aristotle




That's not a quote I'd be particularly proud to display, Blue. It implies the opposite - that for a society to LIVE, it must be INTOLERANT. The Third Reich tried that; it didn't work out too well for them.

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:04 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful group of Obama haters, though. Obama did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner.

Grr Arg.
This is what I'm talking about. Stop being polarized. Stop thinking about these subjects as if it's all binary code. Red State/Blue State. Bush hater/Obama Hater. Fox News/MSNBC.

What I saw yesterday gave me hope. Real True Tangible Hope.



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:05 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
It's very strange to me how I'll have a discussion of a subject & then immediately hear it again from another direction. A main focus of talk amongst Tea Partiers (100's of strangers talking amongst themselves after the event ended) was how EMOTION always clouds REASON. Politically, the extension of that subject has been how angry, seething, bush-hating people cannot let go of the past. Some cannot even come to terms with the fact that everything is different. Totally and radically different. So intense is the anger that there is no true focus to the emotion anymore. It blasts out in all directions in the form of empty divisive retoric. These things have happened before with Nixon, though few of us were alive then to know it. I wasn't.

The important thing for us yesterday was the awareness of going forward, and to stop thinking about what's past. These events are being painted by the press as being "radical right-wing" but if that was true why were there so many "Bush was Terrible" catcalls at mine? If it was right-wing why do I have pictures of proudly desplayed Dem signs? Please listen to Thomas Payne in the youtube vid. He is not partisian. Not at all. And the issues he raise cut right down the center of the polarized retroic.


I think all that is very noble. I also think it's very naive. The Left has consistently shown nothing but vitriolic hatred for anyone opposed to their views, and they also love to parade out their useful idiot moderate Republicans whenever they can. John McCain went on Letterman and The View. All they did was mock and scorn him, but the semi-senile media-starved like-me whore left utterly clueless each time. This Obama disaster is multi-layered. Govt. bailouts and redistribution of wealth are only a small part of the problem. Forgive me for not singing Kumbaya just yet.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet you were oddly silent while the Bush administration put all these policies in place...

You're not so much against tyranny itself - you're just against it when you think it's being imposed upon you from the left. If it comes from the right, you'll GLADLY bend over and take it.



I'm so glad you posted that, because it serves the purpose of pointing out how harmful divisive retoric has become. At the Indianapolis Tea Party yesterday this point was made again and again:

"You are here because your government has become tryanical. You are as angry at the CURRENT state of tyranny as the PREVIOUS. You are not a "republican" or a "Democrat". You are an american."

My tea party rally was not absent of democrats. Pleanty of hoosier dems were at my event with their own signs declaring what all of us felt, that taxing the people for one penny more than is needed to run the government is robbery.

I took a great picture with myself (libertarian) standing with a well known local GOP state rep and a Dem activist. We were just one Tea Party of 3000 true, but there were 800 rallies total. And this was REAL BI-PARTISAN GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM. Nowhere in the crowd were people bussed in like the Acorn folks are known to do. These were plumbers, doctors, contractors, farmers, service workers, ect... We were all americans united for 2 hours. Politicans were barred from speaking. And plenty wanted to! This was an event the likes of which has not been seen for a long long time. I was honored to be a small part of mine.


Great post! You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful of Bush victim though. Bush did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner. He cannot function on a human level any longer. Everything he thinks and does is all hate-Bush related. It consumes his katra. We're doing a case study on the phenomenon here, with many of his sadly pitiful kindred Bush haters taking part. Some are showing some limited progress, but it doesn't look good for a real recovery any time soon.



You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful group of Obama haters, though. Obama did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner. Jongsie cannot function on a human level any longer. Everything he thinks and does is all hate-Obama related.


Damn, Jongs... I thought you were going to take the gloves off and REALLY let us have it from now on. Apparently, gloves on or gloves off, you're still the same pathetic lightweight you've always shown yourself to be.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


You can only plagorize my posts, then have the balls to call me lightweight? You are fucking delusional. And by the way, I've already placed a call to Bill Ayer's office. So far the gutless puke hasn't called back. That's typical of your heroes.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

The Left has consistently shown nothing but vitriolic hatred for anyone opposed to their views...


Yeah, remember how The Left went around telling everyone they had to "support the troops" or get the hell out of the country? And remember how The Left called anyone who didn't hate the French a bunch of surrender-monkeys and terrorist-loving freedom-haters?

Man, those Lefties sure are vitriolic...

[/sarcasm]

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet you were oddly silent while the Bush administration put all these policies in place...

You're not so much against tyranny itself - you're just against it when you think it's being imposed upon you from the left. If it comes from the right, you'll GLADLY bend over and take it.



I'm so glad you posted that, because it serves the purpose of pointing out how harmful divisive retoric has become. At the Indianapolis Tea Party yesterday this point was made again and again:

"You are here because your government has become tryanical. You are as angry at the CURRENT state of tyranny as the PREVIOUS. You are not a "republican" or a "Democrat". You are an american."

My tea party rally was not absent of democrats. Pleanty of hoosier dems were at my event with their own signs declaring what all of us felt, that taxing the people for one penny more than is needed to run the government is robbery.

I took a great picture with myself (libertarian) standing with a well known local GOP state rep and a Dem activist. We were just one Tea Party of 3000 true, but there were 800 rallies total. And this was REAL BI-PARTISAN GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM. Nowhere in the crowd were people bussed in like the Acorn folks are known to do. These were plumbers, doctors, contractors, farmers, service workers, ect... We were all americans united for 2 hours. Politicans were barred from speaking. And plenty wanted to! This was an event the likes of which has not been seen for a long long time. I was honored to be a small part of mine.


Great post! You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful of Bush victim though. Bush did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner. He cannot function on a human level any longer. Everything he thinks and does is all hate-Bush related. It consumes his katra. We're doing a case study on the phenomenon here, with many of his sadly pitiful kindred Bush haters taking part. Some are showing some limited progress, but it doesn't look good for a real recovery any time soon.



You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful group of Obama haters, though. Obama did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner. Jongsie cannot function on a human level any longer. Everything he thinks and does is all hate-Obama related.


Damn, Jongs... I thought you were going to take the gloves off and REALLY let us have it from now on. Apparently, gloves on or gloves off, you're still the same pathetic lightweight you've always shown yourself to be.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


You can only plagorize my posts, then have the balls to call me lightweight? You are fucking delusional. And by the way, I've already placed a call to Bill Ayer's office. So far the gutless puke hasn't called back. That's typical of your heroes.



I can only WHAT?

By the way, I've already placed a call to DHS and the FBI, and sent them e-mail copies of your posts about blowing up the capitol building. I bet my guys will get in touch with you before Bill Ayers will...

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:20 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I think all that is very noble. I also think it's very naive.

And your point is not lost on me. Yes it can be percieved as naive. True. But I will say this..the same could have been said to the patriots of the 1770's prior to the war. At that time a growing minority were disgruntled, fighting as they did against the Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshend acts of 1767, the Tea Act of 1773, or the Intolerable acts of 1774. To resist the supreme power of the combined might of the British Empire by a meer few was indeed regarded as naive (or more often foolish). But when the frustration grew...and grew....and grew...what was once naive became menacing.

One reason I love Firefly so much are the ideals of the Independents. They bled and died for planetary sovergnity. Who can protect us from Scavengers, or harsh conditions? From Slavers or Reavers? The Alliance? NO! We must stand on our own legs! We have the right to self govern. That fiction created by Joss Whedon resonates as loudly in my ears as the truth of the American Revolution. Those were the people who proclaimed 'Give Me Liberty or Death', and meant it.

I saw a lot of things at yesterday's tea party. There were even some scant counter-protestors. But their efforts were such a waste, they had no message. And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:26 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I think all that is very noble. I also think it's very naive.



And your point is not lost on me. Yes it can be percieved as naive. True. But I will say this..the same could have been said to the patriots of the 1770's prior to the war. At that time a growing minority were disgruntled, fighting as they did against the Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshend acts of 1767, the Tea Act of 1773, or the Intolerable acts of 1774. To resist the supreme power of the combined might of the British Empire by a meer few was indeed regarded as naive (or more often foolish). But when the frustration grew...and grew....and grew...what was once naive became menacing.

One reason I love Firefly so much are the ideals of the Independents. They bled and died for planetary sovergnity. Who can protect us from Scavengers, or harsh conditions? From Slavers or Reavers? The Alliance? NO! We must stand on our own legs! We have the right to self govern. That fiction created by Joss Whedon resonates as loudly in my ears as the truth of the American Revolution. Those were the people who proclaimed 'Give Me Liberty or Death', and meant it.


That's very well written BSCM. You have moved me, and I'm going to re-watch the John Adams series this weekend because of it. I wish you success in your goals.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
That's very well written BSCM. You have moved me, and I'm going to re-watch the John Adams series this weekend because of it. I wish you success in your goals.



I've mentioned this before on here, I'm making a 2 minute 30 second Firefly Fan film short based around the subject of the values of the Independents and their failed struggle for Liberty. I hope to be done with it by November 2009.

I'm trying to combine my libertarian values system with Firefly lore to squeeze out something that might resonate, and appeal to Joss Whedon to tell the tale of the Unification War.

At the Tea Party I thought I ought to bring my Independent Faction Flag (Green, yellow, upsidedown star) to fly along side the american flags, Don't tread on Me Gadsaden Banners, & 13 star flags....but I knew nobody would understand. So I just took my Gadsaden Flag. People often remark to me that it's strange I even have one....but at the Tea Party I was certainly not unique at all.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

What I saw yesterday gave me hope. Real True Tangible Hope.
For what?

What I saw was a bunch of people "mad as hell" about all kinds of stuff which had its genesis in the BUSH administration. Where were they four years ago???



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:38 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Yeah, the Founding Fathers were great, liberty-believing people, alright... if you overlook the theft of Native American lands, and all those slaves they owned, and the fact that they didn't give women the vote (among other things)...

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:58 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
What I saw was a bunch of people "mad as hell" about all kinds of stuff which had its genesis in the BUSH administration. Where were they four years ago???

We've always been here. The phrase "The Silent Majority" In Thomas Payne's message speaks to it. When all you have is polarized media talking to you in binary code (Red/Blue) then you yourself begin to speak it. The assumption that these protestors were all conservatives is more retroic. Don't ask "Where were these people when Bush was the president, this all started with him". NO! Ask "Where were these people when Woodrow Wilson Signed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? Where were they when the gold standard ended under Roosevelt in 1933? Where were they when nukes were allowed to proliferate in the 50's under Eisenhower? Where were they when the silver standard was repealed in 1971 under Nixon? Where were they when our borders were thrown open in the 80's under Reagan? Where were they when spending started it's relentless unending climb under Bush the Elder? Where were they when we doled out billions abroad to countries that hated us under Clinton? Where were they these last 8 years when Bush the younger threatened our liberties with things like the patriot act? WHERE????

Those Presidents I listed are the figureheads. They are not the body that makes the laws. You say "These things had their genesis under the Bush Administration" NO!!!! NONONONONONO!!!!
Congress! Look to the capitol building & not the executive mansion I say! The greatest error espoused by the citizenry is always "This happened under Bush" or "This is all Clinton's fault" or whatever. This is how the non-representating representatives get away with tyranny year-to-year. If congressmen believed...honestly believed....that their re-election bids were in question for not representing their constituencies, this would be a far different country.

Remember that the job of the president is to Enforce the Laws. That is all.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

What I saw yesterday gave me hope. Real True Tangible Hope.
For what?

What I saw was a bunch of people "mad as hell" about all kinds of stuff which had its genesis in the BUSH administration. Where were they four years ago???



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
What I saw was a bunch of people "mad as hell" about all kinds of stuff which had its genesis in the BUSH administration. Where were they four years ago???



Hiding in the corner with the national media and the pathetic Democratic opposition?

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Tea Party protesters are civil, bathed and decent
Except those that aren't....
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What message would that be? Is Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi going to listen to your message? Best solution is to slip Bill Ayers a C note, and let him blow up the Capitol Bldg. That would send a message the Liberals would just love....their very own chickens come home to roost.
Jongsstraw, do you need to be reminded that you sound like a right-wing nutcase advocating assassination and sedition? That this places in the very same category as those who you CLAIM to despise as "un -American"? That your hypocrisy seems pretty typical of the right-wing?

I know Kwicko already has, but its a point worth repeating.

If you EVER call anyone out on their lack of patriotism again, I'll hound you into the next life!

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:06 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Tea Party protesters are civil, bathed and decent
Except those that aren't....



Perhaps like the fellow who stank of beer sweat who kept walking around in my area with a sign he wanted everyone to read.

That rank smell always reminds me of the ole college days.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:15 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's not a quote I'd be particularly proud to display, Blue. It implies the opposite - that for a society to LIVE, it must be INTOLERANT. The Third Reich tried that; it didn't work out too well for them.

K,
Watch the youtube vid. He's quite clear about the tolerance of tyranny. If you watch his other video, (should show up in the related videos section) he will profer Aristotle at the end. You must hear it in context. Don't create your own context K, that is the mistake of all political drones...left or right.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:12 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Guys, ladies,...

You should be thankful that these folks didn't rush the White House with guns drawn.

Believe me, there were enough here to take it over.

And I doubt Obams little bitch would have been able to stop them... (I'm, of course, referring to his dog..)

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

You should be thankful that these folks didn't rush the White House with guns drawn.
Then they should be mowed down with machine guns. Shame on you, Wulf!



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:44 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Then they should be mowed down with machine guns. Shame on you, Wulf!"


Well, wouldn't that be the first battle of the next revolution?


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Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:54 PM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Well, wouldn't that be the first battle of the next revolution?

I know your anger Wulf. I feel it too and saw it yesterday for myself. But Lincoln himself said as the Civil War ended that he hoped the virtues of america would be expressed with Ballots, not Bullets.

This was repeated at each Tea Party.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:55 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:

I've mentioned this before on here, I'm making a 2 minute 30 second Firefly Fan film short based around the subject of the values of the Independents and their failed struggle for Liberty. I hope to be done with it by November 2009.

I'm trying to combine my libertarian values system with Firefly lore to squeeze out something that might resonate, and appeal to Joss Whedon to tell the tale of the Unification War.




Look forward to seein' what you make...

You have a lot of good ideas...

I wonder if Joss could end-run the
F-network's 'Firefly' rights with the Unification War story told in alternative media ?
(comics or Net-delivered content , etc.)

New Stories told in our 'Verse , and timely , too...

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Well, wouldn't that be the first battle of the next revolution?
Wulf, you're nothing more than an angry man looking to shoot somebody, something, anything.... instead of using the avenues that are ALREADY open to you.

You're a right-wing lunatic too.


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Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:08 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Wulf, you're nothing more than an angry man looking to shoot somebody, something, anything.... instead of using the avenues that are ALREADY open to you.

You're a right-wing lunatic too."


Well, if that isn't a bit mean...?



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:15 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You're wasting your time responding to a hopelessly hateful group of Obama haters, though. Obama did all sorts of bad things to this poor pathetic whiner.

Grr Arg.
This is what I'm talking about. Stop being polarized. Stop thinking about these subjects as if it's all binary code. Red State/Blue State. Bush hater/Obama Hater. Fox News/MSNBC.

What I saw yesterday gave me hope. Real True Tangible Hope.





Not that I disagree with your point, but I felt it worth noting that you felt fit to chastise Kwiko and not Jong for literally the same words...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:20 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

The Left has consistently shown nothing but vitriolic hatred for anyone opposed to their views,



*Chuckle*

Yea, the right's just been full of warm & fuzzies all this time. Very accepting group, them.

Thanks for the laugh, though.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Been here and out there bitching for all four years of Shrub, and Clinton and NAFTA, and Reagan and his fucking trickledown...

Some folks don't like that shit from neither party.

Sure, there's some folks hiding sour grapes behind this, but a lot of em are POed about the taxes and especially what they're being used for, so it's not that bad a thing, honestly.

And we don't NEED to rush the white house, Wulf, just marginalize it by firing all these go along to get along assholes in congress and installing folk who can and will roadblock their more dimwitted ideas.

And if you're gonna "tar and feather" use dark corn syrup instead of tar, the most you'll do is ruin their overpriced suit - it sends the message without physically harming no one, cause we're not at a point where we'd need to, and it would be counterproductive and give "them" the kind of excuse they're lookin for.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:37 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Jongsstraw, do you need to be reminded that you sound like a right-wing nutcase advocating assassination and sedition? That this places in the very same category as those who you CLAIM to despise as "un -American"? That your hypocrisy seems pretty typical of the right-wing?

If you EVER call anyone out on their lack of patriotism again, I'll hound you into the next life!


You really are one truly delusional ass. Hey, Bill Ayers blows up buildings...that's what he does, and what he advocates. He's close to all your Obama twats in power now who are hell-bent to fuck up the country for generations. I didn't create that Obama/Ayers situation, so why not just go slither off to wherever little pathetic pointy-fingered rat-fucks like you & Kwiikfucko go hide in between your self-rightous and laughable postings.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wulf, you just seem so ready to go off. It comes through in too many of your posts: It's gotta be your way, or face guns. You don't seem to like people speaking their minds (if they disagree with you) and you seem way too ready to make "them" "pay"... sometimes for things "they" didn't do, or for stuff that hasn't happened, or sometimes it seems even for stuff that perhaps you yourself aren't sure about.

Which is a shame, cause you seem like an honorable guy.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jongsstraw, I'm truly honored that you place me in the same category as Kwicko, altho I think you're mistaken: He's smarter than me and waaaaay smarter than you. Only you're too stupid to realize it!

BTW- it doesn't matter if you hide behind Ayers. If I were to say that I hope the right wing gun-nuts go off and obliterate all Republican Congressmen, pretty much the same stuff. Trying to wash your hand like Pontius Pilate doesn't make you look any better, it just makes you look like a weasel.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Jongsstraw, do you need to be reminded that you sound like a right-wing nutcase advocating assassination and sedition? That this places in the very same category as those who you CLAIM to despise as "un -American"? That your hypocrisy seems pretty typical of the right-wing?

If you EVER call anyone out on their lack of patriotism again, I'll hound you into the next life!


You really are one truly delusional ass. Hey, Bill Ayers blows up buildings...that's what he does, and what he advocates. He's close to all your Obama twats in power now who are hell-bent to fuck up the country for generations. I didn't create that Obama/Ayers situation, so why not just go slither off to wherever little pathetic pointy-fingered rat-fucks like you & Kwiikfucko go hide in between your self-rightous and laughable postings.



Well, just as long as you're not all bitter about it...





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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:03 PM

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John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Homosexual CNN CIA agent Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt was joking with Bohemian Grove nudist David Gergen last night, that families at the Tea Parties were "teabagging". That's a homosexual term for dangling your dangly bits in the mouth of a fag.

That's what the elite think of YOU.

Anderson "Cooper's" mommy is Gloria Vanderbilt. He's heir to at least $3-billion. Cooper is his cover name.

CNN, Fox, etc never mention what the real Tea protests are about, that the "Federal" Reserve Bank is private not govt and should be nationalized, and that the income tax was never ratified by the states and is unconstitutional.

Even the White House was shut down in a state of emergency by terrorist attack yesterday, after somebody threw a tea bag on the lawn.
www.infowars.com/white-house-locked-down-after-tea-bags-thrown/

Note that the real Tea Party of the Revolutionary War didn't just throw tea, it threw opium in the sea. Opium was used by the British East India Company as a mind-control drug to enslave the colonies via addiction. All history books censor this fact, which is proven by the sign at the Tea Party Historuic Monument in boston. Today the British Empire increased heroin production in Afghanistan 10,000% thanks to the invasion by GW Bush, and robot suicide bombers by Barack Osama.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:06 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Jongsstraw, I'm truly honored that you place me in the same category as Kwicko, altho I think you're mistaken: He's smarter than me and waaaaay smarter than you. Only you're too stupid to realize it!

BTW- it doesn't matter if you hide behind Ayers. If I were to say that I hope the right wing gun-nuts go off and obliterate all Republican Congressmen, pretty much the same stuff. Trying to wash your hand like Pontius Pilate doesn't make you look any better, it just makes you look like a weasel.

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Well I already knew you were a hopeless dumbass, but your high praise of the demented and permanently Bush-scarred victim Kwiklip is truly a new low for even you. All that wise-ass can post is other people's words edited with his own. That's real intelligent for sure. I see how you could be impressed with that elementary school type of prank.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Jongsstraw, I'm truly honored that you place me in the same category as Kwicko, altho I think you're mistaken: He's smarter than me and waaaaay smarter than you. Only you're too stupid to realize it!



Objection! I'm not smarter than you, young lady; I'm just more of a natural-born smart-ass. It can't be helped.

And I dearly love to twist the tails of the righties and watch them sputter and flail in anger and frustration.

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Homosexual CNN CIA agent Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt was joking with Bohemian Grove nudist David Gergen last night, that families at the Tea Parties were "teabagging". That's a homosexual term for dangling your dangly bits in the mouth of a fag.

Anderson "Cooper's" mommy is Gloria Vanderbilt. He's heir to at least $3-billion.

That's what the elite think of YOU.

CNN, Fox, etc never mention what the real Tea protests are about, that the "Federal" Reserve Bank is private not govt and should be nationalized, and that the income tax was never ratified by the states and is unconstitutional.

Even the White House was shut down in a state of emergency by terrorist attack yesterday, after somebody threw a tea bag on the lawn.
www.infowars.com/white-house-locked-down-after-tea-bags-thrown/



PN, you seem WAY too into the whole gay-sex thing to be a straight man. Do you and WhoZit have a secret thing going?

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I see how you could be impressed with that elementary school type of prank.


Sorry, Jongsy - I was trying to dumb it down so you could follow along. I know your lips get tired when you try to read too much...

Mike

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:33 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

I see how you could be impressed with that elementary school type of prank.


Sorry, Jongsy - I was trying to dumb it down so you could follow along. I know your lips get tired when you try to read too much...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


I expect no less coming from a worm like you. People who think and boast that they're smarter than others are all fucking delusional. And your previous post clearly indicts you as nothing but a troll clown.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

I see how you could be impressed with that elementary school type of prank.


Sorry, Jongsy - I was trying to dumb it down so you could follow along. I know your lips get tired when you try to read too much...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


I expect no less coming from a worm like you. People who think and boast that they're smarter than others are all fucking delusional. And your previous post clearly indicts you as nothing but a troll clown.



So when you posted this,

Quote:


Well I already knew you were a hopeless dumbass, but your high praise of the demented and permanently Bush-scarred victim Kwiklip is truly a new low for even you. All that wise-ass can post is other people's words edited with his own. That's real intelligent for sure. I see how you could be impressed with that elementary school type of prank.



trying to show us all how smart you are (smarter than Signy and I, at least), you were REALLY just trying to show us how fucking delusional you are?

Keep digging, son! That hole isn't going to get deeper all by itself!




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