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Now that Obama is in, we're free to run our phoney 'Climate Change' & 'Universal Health Care' scams!

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:56 PM

CHRISISALL


Cause, that's really what being a Centerist is all about, right? Duping the general public into funneling billions into useless projects?
NeoCons would use the money for actual WAR results & loosening restrictions on financial institutions, eh?

Now we can all participate in the end of Democracy! Bi-partisanship will lead us all into our well-deserved doom!
MU HU HU HA HA HA HA HA!!!


The sarcastic Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:05 PM

WHOZIT


The key word is "scam".

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:06 PM

PIRATECAT


The climate change profit has spoken we no longer use the term global warming.


"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:19 PM

KIRKULES


I for one hope Obama does spend a few billion on preparation for climate change. We're on the verge of being able to clone the Wooly Mammoth and we'll need them as a food source during the coming Ice Age.

I also look forward to universal health care, because I never go to the doctor but enjoy paying for other peoples medical expenses. I've been to the doctor about twice in the last thirty years, but I'll bet I've payed for some dumb crackhead to go 30 times.

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:23 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by PirateCat:
The climate change profit as spoken we no longer use the term global warming.

MU HU HA HA HA!! YoU aRe alL iN ouR tRAp nOw, UltRa-cOnserVatIve scUm!!!


The pERvErSe Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:27 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
enjoy paying for other peoples medical expenses.

oUr neW pLaN isTo gIve YoU All HeaRt AttaCkS!!!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:55 PM

DREAMTROVE


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I've been to the doctor about twice in the last thirty years, but I'll bet I've payed for some dumb crackhead to go 30 times.


Caveman, I beg to differ. You've paid for some dumb crackhead to go 400 times, and then you've paid for his disability for his "mental illness" which was really just the side effects of his use of crack. This disability has been spent on more crack, so you've enjoyed paying for his crack :)

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Awwwww... Can't we just keep blowing the billions on scams like a "global war on terror"? It was going so well for us!



Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:22 PM

PIRATECAT


I don't like to brag about my health care coverage plan but I get a free prostate check from my dentist at every check up. He says its the same as they have in France.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:23 PM

DREAMTROVE


I guess pencil piratecat in as a guy.
I'm not good at this guessing game.

Though I am going to go with whozit as male.

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:16 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I suppose so.

Too bad he ain't a hermaphrodite, cause then he could go f**k himself, meh.

-F

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:56 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey come on guys,

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Caveman, I beg to differ. You've paid for some dumb crackhead to go 400 times, and then you've paid for his disability for his "mental illness" which was really just the side effects of his use of crack. This disability has been spent on more crack, so you've enjoyed paying for his crack :)
_______________________________________________

Leave Rush Limbaugh alone he's doing the best he can.

"Of course you know, this means WAR!" Pepe LePew


Hey Chrisisall, how does that go? Mu hu hu ha ha ha! (I need practice)






Tawabawho?

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:15 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Well it's about time Dems get something outta this. Why should we let the Neocons have all the fun, I mean after all they ran the banking and housing industry into the ground in one fell swoop. Man those guys really know how to party.

Not only that but they go to CONgress and hold out their hands begging for Welfare, er I mean, for a Bailout and the rest of the Billionaires Club follow suit. The Auto Industry, not wanting to be left out, hold out their greedy sticky hands, as they line up for the "something for nothing" bailout. IT'S CALLED CREATIVE FINANCING!

Global warming and Universal Health Care is all there's left to "steal" from. I know, we can have all the Hospital Adminstrators solicit both houses for bailout money. Actually, it is the only industry that hasn't lost money in this "economic downturn" both them and the Oil Industry have made billions. Hmmmmmm, I wonder why that is?

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:27 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:

I also look forward to universal health care, because I never go to the doctor but enjoy paying for other peoples medical expenses. I've been to the doctor about twice in the last thirty years, but I'll bet I've payed for some dumb crackhead to go 30 times.




And this is where your logic fails. You think that because you've never had to use it that paying into the system is useless. Unfortunately, for you, this isn't the case. Because, for any one person, going to the Dr. or Emergency Room, or... is inevitable. Period. It might not have happened yet, but it is a guarantee that it will happen at some point. And at that point, it'll be very very expensive.

In fact, expensive doesn't do it justice. You see, when you look at the cost of health care in different countries, privatised systems are always several times more expensive than public ones. Not only that, but privatised systems are not actually better at providing care. So, you'll pay more for the same or less service. Why less?

Because, of HMOs. Don't have the right insurance? Stabilise him/her and kick 'em out the door. Same with those without insurance. Don't have the proper insurance? Well, those HMOs will "encourage" the Docs not to test for certain things to save money. Etc, etc, etc. Privatisation is an abomination with regards to health care.

And let's not forget the community aspect. I for one am glad that I pay into such a system. My neighbour gets health care as do I. I want this. I want people I know and don't know to be healthy. It makes for a happy and productive society. It comes from a sense of community.

But, overall in the US it's all about the individual (yes, I know there are exceptions). If you can't afford it, then you don't deserve it prevailing attitude.

You see, even though there will be some "crackhead" getting his/her medical covered by others, that is an insignificant portion of society that benefits from universal health care. In other words, it's a strawman argument. Try again.

You, and people like you, might not like the idea of getting hit with a couple percent extra of taxes, but I guarantee that you'll love it when something happens.

I for one and grateful that before my Grandma passed, when she needed a couple surgeries that we didn't have to worry about payment. Because, my parents (middle class, low debt) would have lost there house if we would have had to pay. I for one am grateful that when I ended up in urgent care with a severe migraine (thank god for Imitrex) that I didn't have to deal with payment. I could go on.

We get sick, they make us better and send us on our way. As it should be.

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I am on The Original List (twice). We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:28 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I want people I know and don't know to be healthy. It makes for a happy and productive society. It comes from a sense of community.

THANK YOU! Someone has a feel for the greater good, and that's nice to know.
Quote:




You see, even though there will be some "crackhead" getting his/her medical covered by others, that is an insignificant portion of society that benefits from universal health care. In other words, it's a strawman argument. Try again.


If they could only see this...abuse of the system is the most publicized aspect, yet the smallest.


The healthy(for now) Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:52 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:


_____________________________________________
Caveman, I beg to differ. You've paid for some dumb crackhead to go 400 times, and then you've paid for his disability for his "mental illness" which was really just the side effects of his use of crack. This disability has been spent on more crack, so you've enjoyed paying for his crack :)
_______________________________________________

Leave Rush Limbaugh alone he's doing the best he can.



Lol. But he's a threat, he's getting to the point of mitosis.

SGG, often dems=neocons. just be on the lookout for that to be true.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Centrist ? HA! You wish! UHC and Global Warming might have duped the 'centre', but make no mistake, those are rooted in clear FAR Left wing ideals.

FAR Left wing.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:07 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

FAR Left wing.


AU, were we to meet in real life, I would find you to be a most agreeable sort, until the subject of politics came up, that is. It puzzles me why someone such as yourself is so extreme.

Obama is dead center.
That's why real leftys are so concerned.
That's also why you should take heart.

Peace, my Browncoat brother.


The place-in-the-middle Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

FAR Left wing.


AU, were we to meet in real life, I would find you to be a most agreeable sort, until the subject of politics came up, that is. It puzzles me why someone such as yourself is so extreme.

Obama is dead center.
That's why real leftys are so concerned.
That's also why you should take heart.

Peace, my Browncoat brother.




I am quite agreeable, because I rarely do talk on politics. This is where I come to 'vent', well, this and places like this. I prefer to live my life and do by example, rather than interfere w/ others lives and tell them what to do, say , think. What comes out here is likely a concentrated collection of my views, true to my being, of course.

Obama is far from 'dead centre' He was THE MOST LIBERAL of Senators in the U.S. Senate. Talk of redistributing the wealth, that ain't "dead centre", pal. His mom was a hippy who married a less than grounded scholarly fellah who didn't stick around. Seems like Daddy Obama was checking out green pastures, as it were, and wasn't so much the settlin' down type. Thankfully, that character trait didn't stick w/ Obama.

Here's the thing...though, we may not know a great deal about Obama. 2 yrs in the Senate ? What's that prove ? While he does seem to have been drawn to politics via far Left wing, there may be enough individual spirit in him which gives the apperance that he's ' in the middle ' to those on the Left. It's a matter of perspective. But time will tell.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:32 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
there may be enough individual spirit in him which gives the apperance that he's ' in the middle ' to those on the Left. It's a matter of perspective.

World perspective places him in the middle; USA perspective places him on the left- I choose a wider perspective is all.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
there may be enough individual spirit in him which gives the apperance that he's ' in the middle ' to those on the Left. It's a matter of perspective.

World perspective places him in the middle; USA perspective places him on the left- I choose a wider perspective is all.



I'm an American. I see the US as a unique place, and am proud of its Constitution. We left the old world for a reason.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:04 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I see the US as a unique place, and am proud of its Constitution.

On this we can agree.
I count myself lucky to be born here.
Do you, AU?
I mean, do you think it was your destiny to be an American? Or did you just get a fortunate card in the universal deal?


The deep Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:10 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Despite what I know of the underbelly of it, I am proud to be an American.

I think most are. Even if their party, (I'm looking at you, Democrats) won't allow them to admit it.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:16 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
[ I am proud to be an American.


I am now as well.


The Presidential Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

On this we can agree.
I count myself lucky to be born here.
Do you, AU?
I mean, do you think it was your destiny to be an American? Or did you just get a fortunate card in the universal deal?




I consider myself lucky to exist. Lucky to have the parents I had. Beyond that, I can't really say more, because I really don't think like that. In the scope of the entire Cosmos, I don't think it matters all that much.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:25 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


In the scope of the entire Cosmos, I don't think it matters all that much.


So if you were born in Darfur or Nicargua it would all be as good for you?


The curious Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


In the scope of the entire Cosmos, I don't think it matters all that much.


So if you were born in Darfur or Nicargua it would all be as good for you?





I can't answer that, because I wasn't, nor will ever be born in those places. This sort of projectionism is big w/ the 60's crowd, and for a while I did fall prey to such devices, but no longer. I was born where I was, and had to live my life, as we all do. I do not waste time pondering things I have no clue about, nor do I try to see the world of those born in Darfur or where ever through their eyes w/ out knowing them or their lives.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:53 AM

DREAMTROVE


rap

Obama's pretty center. He said himself that his fave. prez was Reagan. That's not an indication of a far leftie.

Also, he's eerily reminiscent of my brother, in fact, he's like my brother, only brotherized. So, I have a pretty solid bead on his politics I think,

The only leftie thing is the new deal, but every dem candidate since fdr has promised a new deal. it never actually happens.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
rap

Obama's pretty center. He said himself that his fave. prez was Reagan. That's not an indication of a far leftie.

Also, he's eerily reminiscent of my brother, in fact, he's like my brother, only brotherized. So, I have a pretty solid bead on his politics I think,

The only leftie thing is the new deal, but every dem candidate since fdr has promised a new deal. it never actually happens.



The New Deal, " spreading the wealth around", Only Government can fix this, closing Gitmo, chosing a Socialist as Energy Czar ( buying into the Global Warming hoax ) ...THOSE are centre ? No sir, those are extreme far Left wing views, not centre. It seems you're not looking at the big picture.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It seems you're not looking at the big picture.


You're looking at the small one here, but, whatever.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It seems you're not looking at the big picture.


You're looking at the small one here, but, whatever.




Not the samll picture, the AMERICAN one. I'm sorry, but I'll not side w/the rest of the world that'll sit idly by and allow Islamo terrorism slowly infect the West. I'll not side w/ the rest of the world while PLO terrorist lob missiles at civilian populations , and then scream bloody murder when Israel tries to defend herself.

The rest of the world looks toward the U.S. ,and immigrats TO us , not from us , because we ARE different. Women don't walk behind men, shrouded in burkas, they run our homes, our cities, or our companies. Blacks no longer sit at the back of the bus, they are our judges, mayors, scientist, doctors, multi-millionaire entertainers , senators and now, President. If folks wanted more state control and FREE healtcare, they'd be converting 1957 Hudson Hornets into makeshift boats and floating towards Cuba, and not from it.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:07 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The rest of the world looks toward the U.S. ,and immigrats TO us , not from us , because we ARE different. Women don't walk behind men, shrouded in burkas, they run our homes, our cities, or our companies. Blacks no longer sit at the back of the bus, they are our judges, mayors, scientist, doctors, multi-millionaire entertainers , senators and now, President. If folks wanted more state control and FREE healtcare, they'd be converting 1957 Hudson Hornets into makeshift boats and floating towards Cuba, and not from it.


All true, and that makes us mighty.
Quote:

I'm sorry, but I'll not side w/the rest of the world that'll sit idly by and allow Islamo terrorism slowly infect the West. I'll not side w/ the rest of the world while PLO terrorist lob missiles at civilian populations , and then scream bloody murder when Israel tries to defend herself.
This part, however, is delusional BS. Please AU. Clear your mind of this brainwashed fear factor. The truth is out there, discover it, don't let the Rush Limbos feed it to you. You're better than that.


The talk show Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


What's delusional w/ the last part, Chris ? Everything I said was dead on fact. You heard nothing by the MSM of the nearly 7,000 missiles shot from Gaza towards Isreal for the past 3 years. And these weren't bottle rockets on steroids, but actual military hardware, crude as the were,where the intent was every bit there to kill and maime as many civilians (men, women and children ) as possible.

That they weren't BETTER at killing doesn't make their terror any less an issue.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:20 AM

DREAMTROVE


rap, i'm jus infected with the audacity of hope is all

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:28 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:

I also look forward to universal health care, because I never go to the doctor but enjoy paying for other peoples medical expenses. I've been to the doctor about twice in the last thirty years, but I'll bet I've payed for some dumb crackhead to go 30 times.




And this is where your logic fails. You think that because you've never had to use it that paying into the system is useless. Unfortunately, for you, this isn't the case. Because, for any one person, going to the Dr. or Emergency Room, or... is inevitable. Period. It might not have happened yet, but it is a guarantee that it will happen at some point. And at that point, it'll be very very expensive.

II for one and grateful that before my Grandma passed, when she needed a couple surgeries that we didn't have to worry about payment. Because, my parents (middle class, low debt) would have lost there house if we would have had to pay. I for one am grateful that when I ended up in urgent care with a severe migraine (thank god for Imitrex) that I didn't have to deal with payment. I could go on.



I think your logic is a little clouded by emotion. I'm glad your Grandmother got the "end of life" care she needed, but don't count on that under a universal health system. Some State health care systems are already cutting back on health services for people in their last years of life, and if the Feds get a hold of the health care system that will be one of the first places they look to cut costs. Something like 27% of Medicare costs result from people in their last months of life. Logic would dictate that the limited funds available go were the most good to society results. This would mean spending the majority of funds on wellness care and high cost/benefit surgeries and cutting funding to drug treatment and high cost surgeries for the elderly. Government bureaucrats will have no problem applying "logic" to determine the best way to distribute heath care funds, but those services that don't provide a benefit to society will be cut and people like your Grandmother, but not able to afford private health insurance will still be denied care for the betterment of society.

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