Ok, Im starting to get really depressed.... by Wulfenstar

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Ok, Im starting to get really depressed....

POSTED BY: WULFENSTAR
UPDATED: Saturday, January 10, 2009 16:39
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Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:58 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Everyday I read some shit like this...

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_141946.asp

and nothing is ever done about it.

Have we really become a nation of sheeple?

These pigs knocked over and beat down a 71 year old Walmart greeter...then when someone came to his aid, they threw THAT guy through a fucking WINDOW!

AND THESE PIGS ARE NOT EVEN BEING CHARGED?!

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 1:38 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
WULF

AND THESE PIGS ARE NOT EVEN BEING CHARGED?!

That is correct. Welcome to the police state.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Shit.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:31 PM

WHOZIT

The local cops take care of there own, the Feds should get involved and look into both departments.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:41 PM

LEEDAVIDT

my brother,who was hit by a car in 2001 and survived is a greeter at walmart here in new hampshire...i tell you what, i have respect for the law but,if they ever tried to do that while i was walking by i believe that officer would be the first through the gorram window...

http://www.myspace.com/leedavidt

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:58 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

That Walmart should begin a policy the local cops are not allowed to shop or enter the store without a warrant.

Lets party like its 1939

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 3:39 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

It's time for some armed Citizens to start to
" protect and serve " the People , the job that THE COPS are SWORN to do...

We're going to see a lot more of this...

It's virtually a universal attitude among police and sheriff's deputies , that not only are THEY " the LAW " , but that they're above it , also...

Keep in mind , when Katrina hit NOLA , it was THE COPS who took the lead in starting the looting...

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Actually, it surprises me that someone stepped in at all, that's pretty rare in itself.

And I am not in any way defending what the cop did, but Walmart puts elderly folk in a bad position with that reciept check bullshit - if I ring up my purchases and go straight from the register to the door, unless I trip the alarm (which this guy did) then no employee has any cause or legal reason to stop me, and I *WILL* keep going.

That particular shakedown gets on peoples nerves, something Walmart is very well aware of and thus hires elderly folk trying to play on respect of one's elders (which I do NOT have, since they're responsible in part for the huge load of tax-debt stuffed on me before I was even born) to reduce the chances of someone taking issue with it, and sometimes that don't work.

So, the cop's a jerk and a shithead - but Walmart itself bears some responsibility for assigning elderly people to what amounts to illegal harrassment and shakedown that's proven to have utterly no substantial impact on loss prevention.

No, for a fact, you do NOT have to stop and let him/her paw through your stuff unless the alarm goes off, and I find it offensive to have a pre-emptive accusation of theft thrown at me like that, but I'd take that up with the local management, rather than take it out on the poor old geezer who got stuck with that shitty job cause his retirement got robbed for bailing out the rich.
(Tho I have little sympathy, since that retirement came from robbing ME, before I was even born)

Anyhow, bust the cops balls for it, but don't forget Walmart's complicity in setting up a very confrontational, potentially-hostile engagement and then assigning the elderly to it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:49 AM

LEEDAVIDT

Home Depot employees fired for catching shoplifters
Posted Jun 6th 2007 10:45AM by Brian White
Filed under: Bad news, Home Depot (HD), Employees

When a suspected shoplifter is heading out the door, what are employees to do? In some retail chains, there are "loss prevention" employees trained in handling these types of situations, but in others, all the employees are sometimes left to the task (intentionally or not). Employees of a Home Depot (NYSE: HD) in Midwest City, Oklahoma perfomed admirably in their volunteer (loss prevention )role in May, when four of them apparently assisted police in catching suspected shoplifters -- and then were fired from their jobs.

The would-be shoplifters attempted to run from the store with some lawn equipment, and four Home Depot employees worked with police to stop and apprehend the individuals as they tried to escape. The problem with those employee actions is stated in a Home Depot memo that reads,

"associates cannot accuse, detain, chase or call the police on any customer for shoplifting."

While there was a "loss prevention" employee stationed at the Home Depot location in question, one of the fired employees is now stating that the company is selectively enforcing the policy that associates can't assist in apprehensions. One of the fired employees said that he saw the merchandise being taken from the store, even as the loss prevention employee told other employees to just tell the individuals to "have a nice day."

That did not sit well with these four employees, who asked if the shoppers had a receipt for the merchandise in their possession -- and a chase ensued. Although the Midwest City police have stated that part (or all) of the goods would not have been recovered without the help of these employees, Home Depot is sticking by its guns and enforcing what appears to be an inconsistently-followed policye.
Tags: HD, Home Depot, Home Depot shoplifting, HomeDepot, HomeDepotShoplifting

i work as a "LOSS PREVEVENTION" EMPLOYEE at my place of buisiness and a part time cop who works here with me says i have a right to detain customers who are possible "shoplifters",however, it is unclear what our policies are concerning detaining them really are...

Jayne: Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think?

wish i had some grenades and VERA at times !

http://www.myspace.com/leedavidt

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA

The lack of a clear and coherent policy is one of the major problems with this whole issue, imho.

Remember that I work in the security biz, although we do not do standard-issue "loss prevention" I find myself appalled at the lack of a coherent policy because it just begs for so much trouble.

The legal rights and responsibilities of associates, loss prevention and customers should be spelled out in no uncertain terms on both a bulletin board in the employees break room, and issued on hire to all employees to read and sign, just as a preventive measure, at the very least.

As for Walmart, the local one's people know not to bother me, cause any attempt to stop and hassle me results in an *immediate* complaint to the manager on duty and demand for an offical, signed apology on company stationery, which amounts to a serious pain in the ass and waste of time for them in direct proportion and retaliation for them inflicting such on me - eventually they GOT the message and leave me the hell alone...

Non-local places ?
"Show me a badge, or get out of my way, NOW!"
They dun like it, they can call the cops, who will no doubt be annoyed as hell about it when they find out they've been engaged for no better reason than someone didn't feel like being arbitrarily hassled.

Oh, and as a final note - lack of a coherent policy also leads to "selective" enforcement of a repellent type, at least one of the local Wal-Marts people is an obvious racist who only shakes down people darker than him.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

That is a sad story, but I'm bummed that so many have bought into this global warming con, and the effects its having on our political, economical issues. Carbon credits? Are you fucking KIDDING me ? Bernie Madoff' s scheme is peanuts compared to this massive grift !

MAJOR

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:34 AM

KIRKULES

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

They dun like it, they can call the cops, who will no doubt be annoyed as hell about it when they find out they've been engaged for no better reason than someone didn't feel like being arbitrarily hassled.

I'm so tired of those stupid exit alarms going off every time I leave he store because the cashiers don't know what items have security tags and which don't. If the alarm goes off and I see an employee moving towards me, I start walking faster, hoping they will get into a chase with me so I can beat their ass when they grab me. So far none have been stupid enough, but I figure it's only a matter of time.

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:43 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Yanno, always found it amusing that regardless of our many differences Kirk, we're both fekkin barbarians - angry, aggressive, unapologetic apes in modern mufti.

-Frem
"THIS is civilization ? thank Crom I am a barbarian!"
Conan, on first sight of Shadizzar

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:45 PM

DREAMTROVE

I'll throw my caveman lot in. Where did it all go wrong? Probably at the end of the ice age. Maybe earlier. But perpetually, it does seem to go more wrong with each new fix.

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:50 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
...Where did it all go wrong? Probably at the end of the ice age. Maybe earlier.

...But perpetually, it does seem to go more wrong with each new fix.

That right there , is the reason not to go messin' with the Constitution...

It ain't broke...

As a set of guidelines , it is still unsurpassed among human governmental systems...

We just need to 'work the plan' we've already got !

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:12 PM

DREAMTROVE

O2tb

agree, and yet, disagree

The plan was sabotaged by the document itself. The bill of rights was created without flaw, before the constitution. But the constitution was seeded with ways to undermine the bill of rights, and force the legislature to submit to the executive.

Like the Christian Bible, the seeds of its own undoing were deliberately sewn into the articles of the constitution.

The charges were built into the foundation, and the detonators placed into the hands of the courts, in hopes that someday, the enemies of the constitution would be able to undo it.

I put a long post on another thread about how and why of this, but the essence is that the Federalists, who steadfastly and aggressively lobbied to strike the bill of rights from the constitution wrote the power of the supreme court to interpret the constitution, taking that right away from the states, to whom it had rightly belonged. They did this in the hopes that one day, they would rule the court. The nomination of the fifth member of the federalist society, Sam Alito, to the bench, marked the end of the union, and abuses against the bill of rights were now allowed to go unchecked. But that was just the final nail in the coffin, the court had already been swayed to abandon its duty as the guardians of the rights of men.

I don't propose that the court be disolved, only an amendment to the current document, to secure its founders intentions, whatever they may be, even when I happen to be wrong about what they may have been. This amendment I propose fixes the problem of the internal sabotage. I call it the States Rights amendment. It gives back to the states all powers that were held by them at the time of the signing, and restores to them the right interpret the document and right laws as they see fit.

Think about it. If a state votes against a president, and then that president institutes a draft, and declares war on Iran or Pakistan, and sends millions of boys and girls, as I hear it will be, overseas to fight a foreign war, as has been done in the past, that the citizens and the govt. of that state will have no right to decline. The federal govt. which they opposed would have the right to de facto depopulate an entire state. This is just wrong. It is one of the key powers currently being sought by the European Union against the strong objection of member states. No state should be forced to fight wars, bail out corporations, make trade deals, sacrifice sovereignty, etc. etc. because Washington said so, and there is no way, under the current system, for them to be able to decline because the rights of the states have been slowly eroded since the founding of this great nation. And it is a great nation. I don't disparage it, only its govt. in washington.

In 1781, at the signing of the articles of confederation which created the union, officially, the states and their citizens owed no taxes to a federal govt. They owed no military service except in the defense of their country, they were free to interpret their rights as they saw fit, so long as those rights were consistent with the founding principles.

But alas, this is not the nation we live in today. Now all of the power lies in the hands of the deciders. The make the rules, and we pay.

This is a pet project of mine, to fix the problem. It's why I'm always looking for input on the subject. It wasn't started by me, but by a friend of mine who passed away, and it has been abandoned by the people he left in trust of it.

He said there's no flaw in the founding principles and documents of this country except for a few open threads that have enabled those who wish to undo the original will to unravel the entire text. We need to protect the constitution from this sort of dismantling, we need to make this a bullet-proof constitution. This amendment seeks to do that.

anyone with thoughts on the matter, let me know.

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Its now open season on Home Depot. After all, its CEO paid himself $140-MILLION personal salary last year. No wonder he forbids arrest for shoplifting.

Home Depot employees now have a class action, if they want it. But it will be a tough fight. Employers can hire and fire at will, in most cases. Depends on the state and the "employee handbook" contract.

ATTENTION WALMART SHOPPERS, YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE CITIZENS ARRESTS OF COPS.

Tennessee courts and police are extremely corrupt, refusing to arrest crooked cops except in the most extreme cases. TN leads the nation in sheriffs convicted of drug dealing (3 dozen in 10 years).

People victimized by criminal cops find it impossible to get a judge to sign an arrest warrant on a cop, when cops refuse to make the arrest. I've personally asked 2 judges to order arrest of cops for crimes PROVEN by the cops' own in-car videocams, but the judges refused to enforce The Law. One of those cases is on appeal in fed court, the other was "voluntarily dismissed with prejudice" by the prosecutor, after a judge had bound me over to a grand jury ("for the crime of driving 5 mph in a zero mph zone").

TN "judicial commissioners" and grand juries illegally have prosecutors as gatekeepers who block citizens from filing criminal complaints.

The only choice left is citizens arrest of cops, as allowed by law in every state.

Here's one lady who is furious that judges and grand juries refuse to arrest cops and judges, but she's not gonna sit down and shut up. She ran for TN state rep in 2008, and won a speeding ticket appeal with my pro se tips (the judge was forced to write her a "letter of apology"). This month she will take it to the next level. Should be interesting. She does a lot of radio interviews and is pretty sharp.
www.naturaltreasure.net/speeding_ticket.htm

Here's my Affidavit of Probable Cause for Criminal Complaint against TN cops and govt contractors, blocked by crooked prosecutors who first went on TV BEGGING for victims of towtruckers to file criminal charges (PR stunt to CYA). My lawyer in my class action against police got 2 guns put to his head promising to "blow his brains out if he didn't do what he was told", then he "voluntarily dismissed" our "slam dunk" case. I still got over 100 towtruckers fired, but never got my 2 stolen cars back ($10,000 felony).

Quote:
"Dear Mr. Lee: Upon review of the findings in Internal Affairs Unit Case # 00-2263, it appears that the Knoxville Police Department made a mistake in processing your car after it was lawfully inpounded."
-KPD police chief Phil Keith
www.piratenews.org/affidavit-criminal-complaint13jun05.htm
www.piratenews.org/newslinks.html

Most judges and magistrates in USA are NOT licensed lawyers and hve zero legal education, yet they are in charge of signing arrest warrants, according to NY Times.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/293

One of our local judicial commissioners pled guilty to sexual assault of a teenager in the "Justice Center", then posted nude photos of her in the court clerks office. Taxslaves paid $40,000 to the victim, and the judge got 5 years in prison. He had no college education, but did attend "car stereo installation school".
www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=5824069&nav=menu7_2_1

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