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Our Long National Nightmare Is Over...

POSTED BY: GEEZER
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:12
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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:45 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


...at least until the 2012 campaigns start...in about a month.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:57 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
...at least until the 2012 campaigns start...in about a month.


I thought you were talking about the Browns decision to start Brady Quinn on Thursday against the Broncos.

H

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:01 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
...at least until the 2012 campaigns start...in about a month.

Assuming Obama wins, the GOP has some major restructuring to do, which should take more than a month if they do it right. The first and most glaring problem for them is that there's no obvious leader that they can cling to that could help in uniting them and bringing them back onto the right path - the closest they have is Romney, and he's not a particularly good choice.

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McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:03 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
if they do it right.


Ha! A party that has relied and functioned on fear and panic, taking their time and doing it right?


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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I hope Huckabee has a stronger and more influential presence in the party. He's a preacher, yes, but he still manages to come across as a reasoned and measured voice for a party that sorely needs one.

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:07 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Let us not count our chickens before they hatch. That is bad joo joo.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:00 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Let us not count our chickens before they hatch.


200 chickens are now looking pretty hatched


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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
if they do it right.


Ha! A party that has relied and functioned on fear and panic, taking their time and doing it right?




What the hell are you even talking about ?

Functioned on fear and panic ??? What's that even suppose to mean? I'm serious, I have no idea what point you're trying to make.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I hope Huckabee has a stronger and more influential presence in the party. He's a preacher, yes, but he still manages to come across as a reasoned and measured voice for a party that sorely needs one.



The Huckster's a fine guy and has a true heart, but he's a bit of a crackpot. He's definitely not a conservative, and that's why he'll never go far in the party.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:14 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Let us not count our chickens before they hatch.


200 chickens are now looking pretty hatched

]

tis true, tis true, but I would prefer TOTAL DOMINATION!





I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:


tis true, tis true, but I would prefer TOTAL DOMINATION!









Well, you're not getting it. The Senate won't be filibuster proof, so piss off





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:26 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Now Now there is no need to be cranky.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:33 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.


I didn't expect that you would or ever will. I was pretty clear and using perfect English, but things you don't like to admit seem to bounce off you pretty easily. And you know, I don't really care what you think or say, so get over yourself.



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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




The Huckster's a fine guy and has a true heart, but he's a bit of a crackpot. He's definitely not a conservative, and that's why he'll never go far in the party.


That really didn't seem to slow Dubya down very much... Either the being a crackpot part OR the not being a conservative part!

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Let us not count our chickens before they hatch.


200 chickens are now looking pretty hatched




More like 333. Chickens are hatched. McCain's goose is cooked.

Champagne cork popping... NOW!

Mike

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:40 PM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Senate won't be filibuster proof



Well it is the Democratic party so even if they pulled 60 senate seats they still wouldn't be filibuster proof.

But,

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!

Got to hand it to McCain though. He gave a speech that reminded me why I'd respected him in the first place.

David

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

http://xkcd.com/386/

"Don't worry. Captain Hammer will save us." - Penny.

I has myspace - http://www.myspace.com/daveshayneforpresident

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:47 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
TOTAL DOMINATION!


Total.

Yes we did.


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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:51 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Yes we did!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.


I didn't expect that you would or ever will. I was pretty clear and using perfect English, but things you don't like to admit seem to bounce off you pretty easily. And you know, I don't really care what you think or say, so get over yourself.





See, I gave you an opportunity to express your view , w/ out calling you a name, belittling your intelligence, your families' history, or any such childish tactic. If you can't put your views into plain English, then I suspect you really HAVE no point at all.
It was a simple question, and you failed to give a answer.




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:25 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It was a simple question, and you failed to give a answer.

Here's a simple answer. The Bush administration thrived on fear and panic of Islamo-fascists, terrorism, and immorality.

What is unsaid is that ALL political parties function on fear and panic. The Democratic party functions on fear and panic of corporations, greed, and economic injustice. The Libertarian party functions on fear and panic of government power, government abuse, and government corruption. The Green party functions on fear and panic of the destruction of the environment, global warming, and social irresponsibility.

Fear and panic are two of the most effective motivators in the world, and are commonly leveraged for persuasion. Even ads and sale gimmicks function on fear and panic.

Just how we sheeple are made.

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Dr. Horrible Karaoke


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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:26 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Yes we did!


Now the real work starts. January can't get here fast enough.


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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:26 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.


I didn't expect that you would or ever will. I was pretty clear and using perfect English, but things you don't like to admit seem to bounce off you pretty easily. And you know, I don't really care what you think or say, so get over yourself.





See, I gave you an opportunity to express your view , w/ out calling you a name, belittling your intelligence, your families' history, or any such childish tactic. If you can't put your views into plain English, then I suspect you really HAVE no point at all.
It was a simple question, and you failed to give a answer.


What part of "get over yourself" don't you understand, AURaptor?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:18 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ain't it the truth, Geezer, ain't it the truth.
lol.
____________________________________________
at least until the 2012 campaigns start...in about a month.
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Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
What part of "get over yourself" don't you understand, AURaptor?

HKCavalier




Didn't think , you or PR had an anwswer, and I was right.





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It was a simple question, and you failed to give a answer.

Here's a simple answer. The Bush administration thrived on fear and panic of Islamo-fascists, terrorism, and immorality.



cant..... to be quite frank, i have no idea what you're talking about. Islamo fascism IS real. There is a movement out there waging war not just on the U.S., but the entire Western world. Ignoring that plain fact won't make it go away. In fact, doing JUST that is what caused 9/11 to happen in the 1st place. What would you have us do ? Seriously .

Immorality ? God ( which i don't even believe in ) as my witness, I have no clue what you're talking about. Abu Grahib ? Not our policy, sorry. It's what happens when a few bad apples get carried away w/ power, and then get caught. They got caught, and punished. You think lies and exaggerations can't happen ? Just look at Congressman Murthas lies and slander of fine US Marines concerning Haditha. That bastard had our boys hung by the neck before any investigation TOOK PLACE ! Now ,vindicated and cleared, our Marines are going after Murtha for slander. And I hope they fleece his ass for all he's worth.

So,spare me the NYTimes headline stories of how 'immoral' we are, it's flat out bullshit.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:36 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey P-Rose,

There's a rumor going around that, although living right here in the US of A, there are many today that are currently visiting that famous river in Egypt...................The Nile.

_______________________________________________
Total.

Yes we did.




Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:45 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I was right.


Nope.
I made a simple statement.
The party relies upon fear and its cousin panic. If people fear what you're 'fighting' or fear what will happen if you're out of the picture, they will keep voting for you. It functions upon these two things.
This has now failed them, as outrage has overcome that fear.
However...
A party that has so long functioned on panic, so long relied upon fear, in itself becomes fearful.
This has been proven in the last several weeks with the socialist/terrorist hysteria. Hysteria based on no facts whatsoever.
Such fear and panic and hysteria is not a solid foundation for measured thinking and rebuilding after a total defeat.
I made this point with a simple statement, and that you did not understand it is not my failing.
I don't expect my point to penetrate your mindset, which I also said with a simple and straightforward statement. That you took that to prove I had no point is typical.
I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to clarify when you seem to take such delight in throwing mud all over things, except that I've just been too jazzed to go to sleep and it's something to do with some of my energy.


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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You're wrong. The GOP did such a great job on Islamo terrorist, we're winning that battle .

Spreading the wealth = socialism. FACT
Raising taxes on the earners so the lower class pays no taxes = socialism. Raising the Cap. Gains tax .. NOT so it'll raise more $$ for the Gov't, but because " IT'S NOT FAIR THAT SOME MAKE SO MUCH ".... Sorry kitten, that IS socialism. No fear mongering here, just facts.


I've just proven you to be wrong. Your thought process to be wrong. Your reasoning and emotional ties to that which you think is right, are in fact .... WRONG.

And that's why i wanted to see if indeed come out and state why it is you said those things. It's because you're wrong, but you cling too dearly to what you WANT to be true to see things as they are.




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:21 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Raising taxes on the earners so the lower class pays no taxes


Is a false and hysterical statement. "Oh, these people will get a free ride, oh they'll be rewarded for not working, oh mercy me" blah blah blah shut up already. Lower taxes for the MIDDLE CLASS, the people who do most of the WORK in this country, does not in fact translate that way.
You've proven nothing except that you think I have a false conception of socialism. Throwing the word around like it's from the depths of hell is what I have a problem with, because here's a NEWS FLASH for you: TAXES = SPREADING THE WEALTH. That is what they are. Money is taken from everyone who works, and it is redistributed to pay for various stuff. Stuff that we all need. Education, transportation, military force, and - oh yeah! - massive bailouts for irresponsible banks. Spreading the wealth.
Having more of that wealth come from people who actually have some, that just seems to make sense to me.
My statement was about fear, panic, and hysteria.
Don't see how I was wrong about that. In fact, I'd almost say you proved it rather handily.


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

You're wrong. The GOP did such a great job on Islamo terrorist, we're winning that battle .



Define "winning". The "War on Terror" has now killed more Americans than the terrorists themselves did on 9/11, by a large margin. Al Qaeda is now at strengths not seen since before 9/11. As always, you guys on the right have an odd notion of what "Mission Accomplished" really means...

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:01 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
..... the GOP has some major restructuring to do, which should take more than a month if they do it right. The first and most glaring problem for them is that there's no obvious leader that they can cling to that could help in uniting them and bringing them back onto the right path - the closest they have is Romney, and he's not a particularly good choice.


You're far too gracious. Restructuring the Republican Party will be like Reconstruction after the Civil War; a long, difficult task. The RNC must be dis-mantled piece by piece, the leadership ousted with great predjudice, and new leadership installed. Just who these people could be is a great mystery. If Obama could create an entire new voter base to defeat the Clinton Machine, then Republicans may need to study those tactics for a long time and try to learn something from them. Right now I cannot think of any individual with the right stuff in the GOP. Caught between the past and their own personal demons, there simply just does not exist yet the future leaders of the Party.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


kwick - al Qaeda is on the run and in hiding. It's all but out of Iraq, and is restricted to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Much of their finances have been severed or frozen. Don't know where you get this idea that it's regained so much of its alleged strength.

The USS Lincoln, which bore the banner 'Mission Accomplished' did indeed finish its mission.

As explained by Cmdr. Conrad Chun, a Navy spokesman, "The banner was a Navy idea, the ship's idea. The idea popped up in one of the meetings aboard the ship preparing for its homecoming and thought it would be good to have a banner, 'Mission Accomplished.' The sailors then asked if the White House could get the sign made. ... The banner signified the successful completion of the ship's deployment," Cmdr. Chun continued noting that the Abraham Lincoln was deployed 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history.




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


PR - If Obama gets his way, over 50% of US taxpayers will have no tax liabilty to the Government, and will in fact be GETTING more than they pay via taxes. Currenlty, some 40% of workers get more than they pay into the system. It's a very bad thing when the majority of people start living off of the Gov't. It's a VERY bad thing.

Taxes " should " go to the Gov't so it can pay for essential services. But our Gov't is so damn big, and has so many damned entitlements built into it, that soon everything you work for will belong to the Gov't.

THAT'S SOCIALISM, and that's EXACTLY where we are headed. Sorry if you're too clueless to see that, I really can't help you there. All I can do is point out the massive iceberg dead ahead. If the people continue to close their eyes and blame me for spreading " fear of icebergs" , there's not a damn thing I can do about that, except beat every one of y'all to the life boats and ride this catastrophe out.

Later!



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:35 AM

HKCAVALIER


What will the right do when they finally realize that Obama is a moderate and there won't be any socialist revolution in this country? They're gonna be so disappointed!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:37 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


As it was said in Firefly.

"We are all just folks now."


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
What will the right do when they finally realize that Obama is a moderate and there won't be any socialist revolution in this country?

They will find that resistance is futile. They will be assimilated.

Locutusisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:40 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


(Maybe I shouldn't bother, but...)

so⋅cial⋅ism
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

socialism

social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialism

Socialism—defined as a centrally planned economy in which the government controls all means of production—was the tragic failure of the twentieth century.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Socialism.html

so·cial·ism

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

In a socialist society the means of production [1] are owned by the workers rather than by a rich minority of capitalists or functionaries.

Footnote [1]. The means of production comprise everything, except labor, that is used in production, namely, factories, plant, equipment, offices, shops, raw materials, fuel and components.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/Articles/nutshell.htm

Therefore socialism = public control of companies and goods
Therefore socialism =/= raising taxes

Also, spreading the wealth?

"And Alaska we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs." - Sarah Palin

http://www.startribune.com/politics/33593294.html?page=2&c=y

Not that much difference between share and spread.

And, if anyone wants to quibble, and say that raising taxes does equal socialism, then we've already been a socialist country.

Quote:

Another revenue act was passed in 1918, which hiked tax rates once again, this time raising the bottom rate to 6 percent and the top rate to 77 percent.

...

By 1936 the lowest tax rate had reached 4 percent and the top rate was up to 79 percent.

...

Reductions in exemption levels meant that taxpayers with taxable incomes of only $500 faced a bottom tax rate of 23 percent, while taxpayers with incomes over $1 million faced a top rate of 94 percent.



http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml

The country survived that, so I'm sure we can survive whatever happens to taxes now.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Your logic was impeccable, Captain.

isall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:01 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


YinYang - thanks for shining such a bright light on that scary word.
AU - stand up, dust yourself off, do a Picard tunic adjustment, and get ready for the future. It will be a hell of a lot more fun if you aren't afraid of it.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
YinYang - thanks for shining such a bright light on that scary word.
AU - stand up, dust yourself off, do a Picard tunic adjustment, and get ready for the future. It will be a hell of a lot more fun if you aren't afraid of it.



That actually made me laugh..

" engage! "



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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And Alaska we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. " - Sarah Palin




As the good lady says, Alaska is different. This isn't the Gov't taking FROM THE PEOPLE, but making use of its natural resources, the price of business they're tacking on to the oil companies. This isn't what Obama talks about , where 'share the wealth' means the Federal Imperial Gov't takes from anyone and everyone , regardless of how they got their $$, and gives to the poor. Sorry, that dog won't hunt, not in Alaska, not no where else.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:02 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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What will the right do when they finally realize that Obama is a moderate and there won't be any socialist revolution in this country?

Resort to sabotage and domestic terrorism, like they always have when they didn't get their way.

But don't take my word for it, pick up a history book and take a good look at such things from about 1905-1960, and then try to tell me i'm wrong.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


As the good lady says, Alaska is different. This isn't the Gov't taking FROM THE PEOPLE, but making use of its natural resources, the price of business they're tacking on to the oil companies. This isn't what Obama talks about , where 'share the wealth' means the Federal Imperial Gov't takes from anyone and everyone , regardless of how they got their $$, and gives to the poor. Sorry, that dog won't hunt, not in Alaska, not no where else.



So if Palin wants to take money from the rich corporations that rape and pillage the Alaskan wilderness, and give it to the poor citizens of Alaska, that's DIFFERENT from Obama doing something similar on a more nationwide scale?

Face it: you already HAVE socialism here. The only real bone of contention for you or anyone else seems to be HOW MUCH socialism we put up with, not that we put up with any at all.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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kwick - al Qaeda is on the run and in hiding. It's all but out of Iraq, and is restricted to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Much of their finances have been severed or frozen. Don't know where you get this idea that it's regained so much of its alleged strength.



From the Bush Administration, actually:

Quote:



Al-Qaeda regaining strength: US intelligence

Published: Tuesday July 17, 2007


Al-Qaeda has regenerated its capability to attack the United States and will step up efforts to send operatives here, a new US intelligence assessment concluded Tuesday.

The report comes nearly six years after the administration of US President George W. Bush launched the "war on terror" against the Al-Qaeda terror network following the September 11, 2001 attacks.

"We assess the group has protected or regenerated key elements of its Homeland attack capability, including: a safehaven in the Pakistan Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), operational lieutenants, and its top leadership," the report said.

"Although we have discovered only a handful of individuals in the United States with ties to the Al-Qaeda senior leadership since 9/11, we judge that Al-Qaeda will intensify its efforts to put operatives here."



Google "al qaeda regaining strength" just for kicks, and see what comes up.





Mike

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