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Was Jesus a Marxist?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:54 AM

SIGNYM

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Capitalism brings out the best in folks
Yes, we can see how well that's working.

In any case, I didn't exactly hear Jesus say Run an honest business and you'll create a better world. That's not HIS message, that's yours. And yours and his are not the same.

But that's OK. You can be excused bc you never claimed to be religious. Unlike some folks...

Finn?

Geezer?

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:56 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


I'm a gorram independent, and am not beholden to any corporation.

BWAHAHAHAHAH- AU, sometimes you is almost as funny as Hero...LOL!!! I'm peein in my pants here, you poor deluded cog...LOL!!!

Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:57 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Capitalism brings out the best in folks
Yes, we can see how well that's working.

In any case, I didn't exactly hear Jesus say Run an honest business and you'll create a better world. That's not HIS message, that's yours. And yours and his are not the same.


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Damn skippy. I'm not the one preaching a ever lasting day pass in Valhalla, now am I ?



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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:00 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:


I'm a gorram independent, and am not beholden to any corporation.

BWAHAHAHAHAH- AU, sometimes you is almost as funny as Hero...LOL!!! I'm peein in my pants here, you poor deluded cog...LOL!!!

Chrisisall



Oh, I guess I should have added WITH THE EXCEPTION TO GUINNESS AND BASS Brewing companies, and possibly XBOX , I'm beholden to no corporations.

Happier now ?






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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:05 AM

CHRISISALL


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Oh, I guess I should have added WITH THE EXCEPTION TO GUINNESS AND BASS Brewing companies, and possibly XBOX , I'm beholden to no corporations.

Happier now ?





It's a start...

See, cause I'm beholdin' to Blackwater, cause that's where a LOT of my tax dollars went- you know, the well paid branch of the United States military?
And Exxon, Mobil, etc.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:09 AM

SIGNYM

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Damn skippy. I'm not the one preaching a ever lasting day pass in Valhalla, now am I ?
Yeah, like I said!
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But that's OK. You can be excused bc you never claimed to be religious. Unlike some folks...




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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:10 AM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


One may acquire wealth, there's nothing in the bible against that, it's just when the obtaining of said wealth supersedes the love of God does one lose their way. Or some such nonsense.




So that line about a rich men having less of a chance to get into paradise than a camel going through a needle's eye is really only about those who are filthy rich but don't spend all day thinking about God?

I find that questionable.

I buy that the Old Testament says nothing against the accumulation of wealth, but I think there are a lot of discrepancies between the NT and the OT, with regards to message.

(The OT, btw, becomes somewhat less creepy when you don't read it with the assumption of... everything in it being right. Read as stories about people, with the right to question their choices, it becomes.. better. Not fully un-creepified, though. But some Christians focusing more on it than on the NT I do not really understand, all that judgment. And so selectively, too. Gay = bad. Certain foods and working on the sabbath = yay?)

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:24 AM

RUE

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"Better my lips on Bush's bum than your lips tightly 'round Obama's junk.
See? You're not the only one who can play this game."

Ehh, your lips have been on that tush from day one.

And fortunately, I've never been an Obama supporter, just anti-McCain. Which makes your notion moot. But then why should that notion be different from all your other notions.


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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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I'm not the one preaching a ever lasting day pass in Valhalla, now am I ?

Nope, but I've beat that drum on occasion, given that it's prolly where I'll wind up despite bein not quite on that belief path.

I find it amusing that a lot of really racist norse-pantheon folk wanna go there, when the only entry requirement is courage, and it's not like white people have a lock on being stupidly brave.

Be funny as hell to watch them get mowed down by the Curtiss Bay Posse in the afterlife, tho.

-Frem

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:09 AM

ERIC


Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

http://wonkette.com/403920/jesus-people-pray-that-false-idol-will-save
-gods-economy


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Jesus People Pray That False Idol Will Save God’s Economy

Did you know that some Christian dingbat has dubbed today the “Day of Prayer for the World’s Economies?” Well here they are, at the Wall Street bull statue thing, praying to Jesus for money. The dingbat has explained, “We are going to intercede at the site of the statue of the bull on Wall Street to ask God to begin a shift from the bull and bear markets to what we feel will be the ‘Lion’s Market,’ or God’s control over the economic systems.” Don’t they know that God taking over the economic systems would be SOCIALISM from SPACE? Also: God will be very mad that they are worshiping a bronze idol here, since his second commandment PROHIBITS THAT, duh? Thanky you Wonkette operative “Dan the Man” for the sexy photo.




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Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:38 AM

FREMDFIRMA


And these are the kinda folk that think them and their petty idols should be in charge of this country.

Chew on that idea a while, if you would.

-F

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by rue:
"Better my lips on Bush's bum than your lips tightly 'round Obama's junk.
See? You're not the only one who can play this game."

Ehh, your lips have been on that tush from day one.

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Oh, so wrong, Obamabreath. As previously mentioned , I voted Libertarian in '00, so claims that I've been " on " W are greatly exaggerated.

And while I'm at it, I also totally opposed Bush on keeping Rumsfeld for as long as he did, am still livid over his " comprehensive " illegal alien plan, think he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court nominee, yeah, I've got a list of things I'm not keen on W over, so spare me the " lips on the tushie " nonsense.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:45 PM

SIGNYM

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Wow. Worshipping a Golden Calf, are they?

Do they live in a irony-free zone???

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:46 PM

SIGNYM

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[Ithink he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court
Kinda like McCain and Palin?

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:54 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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[Ithink he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court
Kinda like McCain and Palin?

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Huh? I'm afraid you lost me w/ that one.



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Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:10 PM

RUE

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"And while I'm at it, I also totally opposed Bush on keeping Rumsfeld for as long as he did, am still livid over his " comprehensive " illegal alien plan, think he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court nominee ..."

And yet, somehow, despite your claims NOW, you never posted any of this over all that time. Very odd.

But all the OTHER stuff - torture, illegal spying on citizens, lack of habeas corpus, sinking the US into deep, deep debt, Iraq - you defended over and over and over ....

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:14 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by rue:
"I'm a gorram independent" ... who happens to his his lips planted firmly on Bush's tush.

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Better my lips on Bush's bum than your lips tightly 'round Obama's junk.

See? You're not the only one who can play this game.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "




hmm not really sure that is better Rap

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"We don't fear the reaper"

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Trolls Against McCain




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Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:17 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:


One can be a capitalist and not give into the love of money. THAT is what Jesus was talking about, the love of things of this world over those of his Kingdom. Capitalism says nothing of those things you claim it does. When you're an owner of a company, you'll survive longer if you find the best deals for your customers and give them more than they expect.




But a capitalism based on the idea of NOT accumulating wealth doesn't really seem like... the real thing, does it? Jesus is pretty negative on wealth.



I am not entirely sure that one automatically negates the other.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:51 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by rue:
"And while I'm at it, I also totally opposed Bush on keeping Rumsfeld for as long as he did, am still livid over his " comprehensive " illegal alien plan, think he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court nominee ..."

And yet, somehow, despite your claims NOW, you never posted any of this over all that time. Very odd.



There was plenty of post w/ regards to those things, you just don't want to acknowledg them. Seems like a you problem.

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But all the OTHER stuff - torture, illegal spying on citizens, lack of habeas corpus, sinking the US into deep, deep debt, Iraq - you defended over and over and over ....

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Torture non uniformed terrorist who behead innocent men , women and children? If need be, hell yeah I'm for that. Illegal spying on citizens ? Sounds like the Democrats dept. , not the GOP. Both parties are guilty to this debt, and the Dems are more involved in the latest crisis , and Iraq ? Funny, I remember a host of Dems who were all talk and bluster over how evil and bad Saddam was, but when it came time to DO something.....Yeah, I was and still am for taking down Saddam. Job well done, btw.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:01 PM

RUE

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Rap,

How can you ever hope to get through life when you can't even remember your own words ?



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Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:40 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by rue:
Rap,

How can you ever hope to get through life when you can't even remember your own words ?




Well you sure as hell don't remember them, so what do I have to worry about ?



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:33 PM

RUE

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Well, I took some time and checked. Not a PEEP about Myers or Rumsfeld, and only one oblique post approaching the illegal alien topic.

I did notice that many years ago, while you were just as delusional, you were at least semi-coherent. But that seemed to fall apart by the end of 2004. And now it seems like you just can't make sense at all sentence to sentence and post to post. You contradict yourself, go in circles, make outrageous statements that have NO basis in reality. What did you do to yourself ?


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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:14 PM

KIRKULES



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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:50 PM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:


But a capitalism based on the idea of NOT accumulating wealth doesn't really seem like... the real thing, does it? Jesus is pretty negative on wealth.



I am not entirely sure that one automatically negates the other.



So how do you see it working?

I mean, I see how a small, struggling family business would fit into the picture, because they happen to make too little to really get by, but the key here owuld be something that is out of their hands to begin with: the struggling.

But if they are not struggling, if they're raking it in, or at least making good profits.. would they, in order to avoid those profits lower their prices? Immediately give away the money to their neighbors? Help other struggling businesses? To keep or reeinvest the money would be wealth. Either you're the only one doing it, and your business is not going to go well or everyone does it that way... and why call it capitalism, then, when it's not about capital?

That'd be an interesting, "irrational" kind of capitalism, which removes the benefits of the concept (incentive for innovation, for one) and is really rather more like a less efficient socialism.

If you have a better example to covince me, I'd be happy, though, because obviously there are many Christian business owners in the world who are not hypocrits. And obviously Jesus has a message you cannot live up to 100% of the time. But I can't help but draw the line at being fairly profitable.

(And lastly, I have quite a lot less investment in this argument than the hypocrisy of some Christians really NOT loving their gay/lesbian/different-looking/angry/dirt-poor neighbor.)

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:23 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by rue:
Well, I took some time and checked. Not a PEEP about Myers or Rumsfeld, and only one oblique post approaching the illegal alien topic.

I did notice that many years ago, while you were just as delusional, you were at least semi-coherent. But that seemed to fall apart by the end of 2004. And now it seems like you just can't make sense at all sentence to sentence and post to post. You contradict yourself, go in circles, make outrageous statements that have NO basis in reality. What did you do to yourself ?

f


Well, you missed it then, because I made many comments about Myers, Rummy and ESPECIALLY the illegal alien issue. That's a major hot button w/ me concerning W ( and McCain )

No where do I contradict myself, go in circles or make any hint of outrageous claims. You're just being a git.



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Friday, October 31, 2008 3:53 AM

SIGNYM

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because obviously there are many Christian business owners in the world who are not hypocrits.
They are. They just don't recognize it because (1) Their religion has little to do with Christ and much to do with the OT or (2) Like most peeps, they manage to function in completely contradictory ways depending on context. Ie they're intellectually schizo.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 3:56 AM

SIGNYM

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Huh? I'm afraid you lost me w/ that one.
I'm assuming that you thought Bush was an idiot for proposing Harriet Meyers because she was unqualified? Think about it....


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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:36 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Huh? I'm afraid you lost me w/ that one.
I'm assuming that you thought Bush was an idiot for proposing Harriet Meyers because she was unqualified? Think about it....


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But Palin is more qualified as VP candidate to be President than Obama , as Prez candidate is to be even VP candidate.

Think about it.



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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:42 PM

RUE

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"No where do I contradict myself, go in circles or make any hint of outrageous claims. You're just being a git."

Yeah, you're so sure of your words -- just like you NEVER said the economy was on FIRE ! and ROARING !

Prove me wrong. Oh that's right, you never have facts to back up your claims. That's why most people have written off anything you write as being nonsense - at best.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by rue:
"No where do I contradict myself, go in circles or make any hint of outrageous claims. You're just being a git."

Yeah, you're so sure of your words -- just like you NEVER said the economy was on FIRE ! and ROARING !

Prove me wrong. Oh that's right, you never have facts to back up your claims. That's why most people have written off anything you write as being nonsense - at best.

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Over 4 1/ 2 yrs of a strong economy , DUMBFUCK. Economies go in cycles, and all you idiots did was wait a couple of yrs for things to change for you to whip out the " YOU'RE WRONG, THE ECONOMY ISN'T ON FIRE ANY MORE ! ".


Kindly go fuck yourselves.

( and no, I'm not wrong. But keep tryin'! )





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, October 31, 2008 2:00 PM

RUE

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OOoohhhhhh. I hit a nerve !
:claps hand with glee:

Those book titles?

How to Take a Strong Economy and Turn It Around
George W Bush

Eliminate Your Debts by Keeping Them Out of Your Budget!
George W Bush

Foreign Loans Sharks are Paper Tigers
George W Bush

You Too Can Run on Air Like in the Cartoons I Watch on Saturday
George W Bush

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Friday, October 31, 2008 2:09 PM

AURAPTOR

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keep living your little dream.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, October 31, 2008 2:38 PM

XRAFTERMANX


"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
Lao Tzu

"God helps those who help themselves."
Ben Franklin

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
Luke 6:27-31 Matthew 7:9-12

The Golden Rule is the underlying rule to all of our Laws here in the USA. Yet, we all have a different view as to how to enforce the Golden Rule, and as you have done here, you believe that Jesus is on your side and only your side. The Nazi's thought Jesus was on their side too.

Be an asset not a burden to society. Give charity but do not take charity.

"Live Free or Die."
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I can see the Blue Sun rising.

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Friday, October 31, 2008 2:41 PM

RUE

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Rap

Doesn't matter what you say ... you're still wrong.

Wrong about the ROARING ! ON FIRE ! economy - and wrong that you never made those claims, wrong about WMD, wrong about torture just being 'hazing' by a few 'bad apples' (but worth doing anyway, even though nobody did, but if they did it was only a few bad apples), wrong about government spying on citizens, wrong about the economic collapse being only a down-cycle and wrong about Democrats being the cause of it, wrong about 95% of 'them' (not 'us') not paying income taxes ... wrong about everything that you've claimed.

How does that feel - btw - to be so wrong about so many things ?


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Friday, October 31, 2008 4:36 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by rue:
Rap

Doesn't matter what you say ... you're still wrong.

Wrong about the ROARING ! ON FIRE ! economy - and wrong that you never made those claims, wrong about WMD, wrong about torture just being 'hazing' by a few 'bad apples' (but worth doing anyway, even though nobody did, but if they did it was only a few bad apples), wrong about government spying on citizens, wrong about the economic collapse being only a down-cycle and wrong about Democrats being the cause of it, wrong about 95% of 'them' (not 'us') not paying income taxes ... wrong about everything that you've claimed.

How does that feel - btw - to be so wrong about so many things ?


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Nope, not wrong. Dems were the cause ( Frank's ties to Fannie Mae and one of it's former execs ) , 40% of working American's do NOT pay income taxes, ... I'm right about every thing I've claimed.

YOU JUST SIMPLY CAN'T STAND IT.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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