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Just for balance, I've introduced my son to Right-Wing Sci-Fi...

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:17 AM

CHRISISALL


I just got him season 2 of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, a solid right-wing sci-fi series where the cold war & alien threats were imminent, and there was no time for talk or understanding.
Detente schmatant, just FIRE!!!!
He says he likes Star Trek better, where they come to understand the aliens they meet- but he's fascinated by the Flying Sub & the rubber monsters, so it's not a total loss.



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Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:21 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


There were seasons? There was a show?


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Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:33 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
There were seasons? There was a show?



Yeah, it was cool (2nd season, anyway):
http://www.tv.com/voyage-to-the-bottom-of-the-sea/show/592/summary.htm
l





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Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:49 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Wow - I remember this show... I don't think I've seen it since I was a kid. I certiainly wouldn't have spotted the politics in it back then but now you mention it.... Yeah.

Always loved that sub that flew out of the water. That was cool. At least it was when I was seven. :D

Cool. Glad your boy likes the rubber monsters - always like to know that old school special effects still work.





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Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:43 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I just got him season 2 of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, a solid right-wing sci-fi series where the cold war & alien threats were imminent, and there was no time for talk or understanding.
Detente schmatant, just FIRE!!!!
He says he likes Star Trek better, where they come to understand the aliens they meet- but he's fascinated by the Flying Sub & the rubber monsters, so it's not a total losss.

And they wore pretty much American Naval uniforms too.

But the really good Right Wing sci fi was lost in space. They had the Republican almost Palin like family and the Democrat traitor Dr Smith, the mamby pamby whiner.


And the monster's were devious and engaged in all manner of sneak attacks.


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Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:51 AM

WHOZIT


I saw the movie on AMC, they made the UN look like dumb ass's. So yes, it was Right-Wing Sci-Fi.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Any others...?




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Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:56 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

Always loved that sub that flew out of the water.

always like to know that old school special effects still work.









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Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:58 AM

WHOZIT


Firefly was clearly Right - Wing

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Any others...?





Right wing SF?
Well, off the top of my head, V seemed a bit non-left...

Reptillian Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:00 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Firefly was clearly Right - Wing


Shut up Whozit!!! It was no sucha thing. It was Libertarian, if anything.

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


When I was a kid I thought David Hendison was hot. But Richard Baseheart was a far better actor.

Man from Uncle? (Not exactly scifi, but...)
Time Tunnel?

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:05 AM

WHOZIT


Libertarians are right-wing, they broke off from the Republican party in 1972 because Nixon was'nt conservitive enough for them.

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:52 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


My cousin had one of those toys of the funky submarine, about 2-feet long, submersible. Very cool.

He's about 50 years old now. YIKES! He did a lot of drugs, made a lot of money. Coincidence?


www.timewarptoys.com/gallery.htm

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:04 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Cheers Chris - those pictures are nostalgic! That mini-sub is one nifty design. Wouldn't be out of place in a modern sci-fi underwater show these days.

And PIRATENEWS
Great toy pics!


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Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:06 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Time Tunnel!!! I loved that show. Used to have me on the edge of my seat! Sort of a precursor to Quantumn Leap.

Last one I ever saw was of them landing on the Titanic and I never managed to see the next weeks episode to see how it ended!

Cracking TV!





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Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:59 AM

CHRISISALL


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OMG I had those....

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:01 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

Last one I ever saw was of them landing on the Titanic and I never managed to see the next weeks episode to see how it ended!


I think that's where it got canceled...

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:03 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Libertarians are right-wing

No, Libertarian is the CENTER, any direction from there is either left or right.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:00 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Man from Uncle? (Not exactly scifi, but...)

Definitely a bit right, that one...
Wild Wild West as well, James West, government agent, out to protect us all from evil terrorists like Dr. Migulito Loveless...



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Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:09 AM

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ooh Ilya Kuryakin!

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:16 AM

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:07 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
ooh Ilya Kuryakin!






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Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:35 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Libertarians are right-wing, they broke off from the Republican party in 1972 because Nixon was'nt conservitive enough for them.



Only if you insist framing all political debate in one dimension. The popular notion of right and left puts war-mongering authoritarians in the same camp with small-government, individual rights proponents. Those two views are mutually incompatible, the left/right thing fails to describe things adequately.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:25 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


What is Right Wing SF? And how does it differ from Left Wing SF?



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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:44 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
What is Right Wing SF? And how does it differ from Left Wing SF?


In right wing SF, the government leads the good fight, and the enemy aliens are evil & must be destroyed, in left wing SF, the government gets in the way, but in the end, the enemy aliens can be understood, reasoned with, and a harmonious equilibrium can be achieved.


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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:57 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
What is Right Wing SF? And how does it differ from Left Wing SF?


In right wing SF, the government leads the good fight, and the enemy aliens are evil & must be destroyed, in left wing SF, the government gets in the way, but in the end, the enemy aliens can be understood, reasoned with, and a harmonious equilibrium can be achieved.

Ah. Okay. I don’t think I would use those exact definitions, but it explains why you describe V as Right Wing.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:06 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
it explains why you describe V as Right Wing.


And I don't mind right wing SF at all- hey, sometimes the aliens ARE just out to kill us all...

Question in my mind is...is They Live right or left?
The aliens are evil, but they also ARE our government...this case presents a problem in labeling.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:18 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


The distinction between Left and Right, generally speaking, has the right-wing defined as pro-something and the Left-wing defined as anti-something. The Right is in favor and Left is against. The terms go back to the French Revolution, when the moderates sat on the Right and the radicals sat on the Left. Which created this conception in modern politics that the Right are moderates seeking for a conservative or less change while the Left are radicals who want more change.

So how do you apply this to SF? V for instance is about a band of Maquis style human guerrillas (the good guys) battling a Nazi-style alien government (the bad guys). So if you take this from the point of view of the good guys, then V is Left-wing because it is about “radicals” wanting change.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:36 AM

CHRISISALL


The right wants to kill; the left wants to understand, bottom line. Sometimes we need to kill, other times we need to understand, but that basically how I draw the lines of it.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:04 AM

SWISH


The left is about change only when you're starting from a point of dictatorship, or some other misuse of power by govt. Like V - which I would see as lefty sci-fi, since authority is portrayed as evil and the rights of the common individual are fought for.

I guess that to me leftist is about the protection of individual rights. Govt size arguments can be made for/against either side, depending in which actions said govt is taking.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:09 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
I guess that to me leftist is about the protection of individual rights.

Rightist is about protection of individual rights. So that doesn’t work as a distinction.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:26 AM

SWISH


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
I guess that to me leftist is about the protection of individual rights.

Rightist is about protection of individual rights. So that doesn’t work as a distinction.

You've been smoking again, haven't you? Smokin' kool-aid...

How about the Democrats losing the support of the south because they took up the cause of the civil rights movement? How about a woman's right to choose? How about the rights of gays to marry? How about the right of non-religious people, even those living in big cities, to be considered true Americans? How about the right to call home while I'm abroad and not have the spies of Big Brother W listening in?

Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

And before you start yammering, I do know that Dems are generally into gun limits, and that's an exception. But the argument is generally about placing reasonable limits on the very worst guns, and not stripping us of our rights. I don't think any Dem is gonna take away our right to protect ourselves. They better as hell not - because I'd fight that right alongside the gun-totin' hillbillies and moose-shooting Alaskans and redneck Texans!

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:13 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

That’s bullshit.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:24 AM

CHRISISALL


Bush was voted in, just like Reagan. They stood for the Republicans, who are on the right. Therefore, the right stands for breaking laws when it suits them (not too different from the left), and getting peeps KILLED when it suits them (markedly different from the left). You wanna dispute that? CAN you dispute that? Well, I mean, you could go "That's bulls**t', but you can't show me a logical fallacy there, I'd conjure. Get your party to back some REAL Conservative thinkers thereby gaining the respect of the country & world again, or please stop defending incompetence, okay?

isall

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:29 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

That’s bullshit.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero




Um, t'isn't.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:35 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Bush was voted in, just like Reagan. They stood for the Republicans, who are on the right. Therefore, the right stands for breaking laws when it suits them (not too different from the left), and getting peeps KILLED when it suits them (markedly different from the left). You wanna dispute that? CAN you dispute that? Well, I mean, you could go "That's bulls**t', but you can't show me a logical fallacy there, I'd conjure. Get your party to back some REAL Conservative thinkers thereby gaining the respect of the country & world again, or please stop defending incompetence, okay?

Sanctions killed 1.5 million Innocent Iraqis (largely women and children). There is no strain under which arguments against the Iraq war could be put to make the casualties even close to that. So since you don’t support the Iraq war you support the wanton killing of innocent women and children. There.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:40 AM

SWISH


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

That’s bullshit.

Cites please?


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Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:47 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

That’s bullshit.

Cites please?

Cite bullshit? Sure:
Quote:

You've been smoking again, haven't you? Smokin' kool-aid...

How about the Democrats losing the support of the south because they took up the cause of the civil rights movement? How about a woman's right to choose? How about the rights of gays to marry? How about the right of non-religious people, even those living in big cities, to be considered true Americans? How about the right to call home while I'm abroad and not have the spies of Big Brother W listening in?

Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

And before you start yammering, I do know that Dems are generally into gun limits, and that's an exception. But the argument is generally about placing reasonable limits on the very worst guns, and not stripping us of our rights. I don't think any Dem is gonna take away our right to protect ourselves. They better as hell not - because I'd fight that right alongside the gun-totin' hillbillies and moose-shooting Alaskans and redneck Texans!

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35442&m=649453



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:36 PM

SWISH


Finn:

Hmm. So it's bullshit because you say it's bullshit? Excellent! Somebody did well in his classes at the Academy of How to Argue with a Five Year Old. You must be very proud!

Anyhow, I presented several examples where Democrats protect individual rights. Care to do the same for Republicans? Maybe expand on the wonderful relationship Repubs have historically had with the ACLU, NOW, NAACP, labor unions, consumer advocates, etc. Oh - and be especially sure to focus on the Republican respect for one of the oldest tenets of basic human rights: habeus corpus.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:46 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by swish:
Finn:

Hmm. So it's bullshit because you say it's bullshit? Excellent! Somebody did well in his classes at the Academy of How to Argue with a Five Year Old. You must be very proud!

Anyhow, I presented several examples where Democrats protect individual rights. Care to do the same for Republicans? Maybe expand on the wonderful relationship Repubs have historically had with the ACLU, NOW, NAACP, labor unions, consumer advocates, etc. Oh - and be especially sure to focus on the Republican respect for one of the oldest tenets of basic human rights: habeus corpus.

Republicans have supported all of those, but why do I have to support some Left-wing activist group to be seen as supporting individual rights? According to you, which is what makes your argument bullshit, Republicans don’t care about individual rights, because they care about “republican rights.” Since when are Republican rights not individual rights as much as anyone else's rights? (“…the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans.”, swish) You aren’t willing to apply that same faulty logic to your side, but let’s do it anyway. Democrats don’t care about individual rights; they only care about Democrats' rights.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:09 PM

SWISH


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Republicans have supported all of those, but why do I have to support some Left-wing activist group to be seen as supporting individual rights?

Exactly my point. You dismiss rights that are extremely important to a broad group of Americans because they are "Left-wing activist groups." Hence not worthy of your support and protection.

Could you prove my point any more blatantly?

Quote:

According to you, which is what makes your argument bullshit, Republicans don’t care about individual rights, because they care about “republican rights.”
No. Republicans don't care about individual rights because they (some of them, anyway) would rob a woman of control over her own body, because they didn't champion the right of blacks and Hispanics until it became politically expedient (and itheir "support" still quite questionable), because they don't want certain people to enjoy the freedom to marry who they choose, because they shat upon the privacy rights of people traveling abroad - including our military, and because they attacked one of the basic tenets of human freedom: habeus corpus.

Quote:

You aren’t willing to apply that same faulty logic to your side, but let’s do it anyway. Democrats don’t care about individual rights; they only care about Democrats' rights.
Show me an example and we'll talk. An example of Dems denying rights to Repubs, or Repubs fighting for minority rights. Please, show me an example. And that's not meant as a dare - I feel like there must be something (I really don't think all Repubs are evil, just the currently outgoing crop) but I can't think of it.

Anyone?

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:12 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
The right wants to kill; the left wants to understand, bottom line. Sometimes we need to kill, other times we need to understand, but that basically how I draw the lines of it.

Judge Chrisisall


I think if you would do a body count for the last 100 years of US history you would find the left much more bloodthirsty. The only reason the body count is higher under Bush than Clinton is that Clinton chose to bomb civilians from 30,000 feet rather than take a chance on hurting his poll numbers.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:19 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


The Republicans fought for the civil rights movement. The Democrats voted against it.

Just because someone doesn't support your political views doesn't mean they don't support individual rights. But because you don't agree with a certain group of people, you want to demonize them. That's bullshit.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:53 PM

SWISH


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The Republicans fought for the civil rights movement. The Democrats voted against it.

Actually, they both voted for it. But the Republicans did have stronger support, I'll give you that.

ETA: My point was that the white south turned Republican after that civil rights era - the good ole white supremist Republican Bible-thumpin' South! And don't even try saying that that isn't still the case. Just look at who's championing immigration control. And look further into the root of who's writing these laws - white supremist conservatives. ( http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/04/08/immigration-report-being-rele
ased-today-linked-to-white-supremacists
/)

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Just because someone doesn't support your political views doesn't mean they don't support individual rights. But because you don't agree with a certain group of people, you want to demonize them. That's bullshit.
Not demonizing anyone. I said it and I'll say it again: there's some damned fine Republicans out there. I bought my house from one. But to say the Repubs are the party of individual rights is laughable, given their stance on several issues I've already stated, as well as the arguments they're currently using is this election.

Look at something else: W won with 50.7% of the popular vote in 2004, and immediately began talking of the "clear mandate" he'd received. ( http://www.geocities.com/mnsocialist/elections7.html) For him, the other 49.3% of Americans did not exist and did not matter. Compare that to Obama's message that every one of us is part of America.

I will admit though - I'll be watching close if Obama wins, to see if he follows through. It is my hope and my prayer that the next president represents everyone, those who voted for him and those who didn't. It's been a while since that happened.

What was this thread about? Damn, I got off topic. Sorry!

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:38 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by swish:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The Republicans fought for the civil rights movement. The Democrats voted against it.

Actually, they both voted for it. But the Republicans did have stronger support, I'll give you that.

ETA: My point was that the white south turned Republican after that civil rights era - the good ole white supremist Republican Bible-thumpin' South! And don't even try saying that that isn't still the case. Just look at who's championing immigration control. And look further into the root of who's writing these laws - white supremist conservatives.

So not only are you wrong about the Republicans not supporting individual rights, you’re now throwing around bigoted statements, condemning an entire region of people based on the actions of a few. Which also makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it? You’re really not worth my time. Have a nice day.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, October 27, 2008 12:36 AM

SWISH


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So not only are you wrong about the Republicans not supporting individual rights, you’re now throwing around bigoted statements, condemning an entire region of people based on the actions of a few. Which also makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it? You’re really not worth my time. Have a nice day.

LOL! Way to avoid replying re woman's rights, minority rights, LBGT issues, etc... yeah, not worth your time, because you have nothing good to say!

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Monday, October 27, 2008 7:12 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
condemning an entire region of people based on the actions of a few.

We're all doing that here, Finn.

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This was the program in which UN ambassador (and later Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright, when asked about these numbers, coldly stated, "The price is worth it."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011203/cortright

As usual Finn, you have a major point. Sanctions killed, and war killed...our country only does one thing well, it seems.

We shoulda capped Saddam back in the nineties.

Disgusted Chrisisall

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Monday, October 27, 2008 7:16 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by swish:
LOL! Way to avoid replying re woman's rights, minority rights, LBGT issues, etc...

Yeah, but upon examination, I find that Finn is just reacting as strongly right as some of us do left...common sense & human decency is never on the edge IMO.

Anyone here remember The 27TH Day?

GRRRRisall

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Monday, October 27, 2008 7:18 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


If we followed the Constitution...there wouldn't be issues with their "rights"....

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