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Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:59 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama, a Harvard brain, was either TOO FUCKING STUPID to know about these men, or he was TOO FUCKING AMBITIOUS to give a shit about their nefarious backgrounds.

Which makes Obama different from McCain & Palin & Bush & Cheney & Clinton & Reagan & Nixon ETeffinC., HOW EXACTLY????



I thought you'd be old and wise enough to understand you don't excuse poor behavior and bad judgement by pointing fingers at others in an attempt at moral or ethical equivalency.

Besides, none of those you mention were mentored by or hired by slum lords, un-repentant Terrorist bombers of the US Capitol and Pentagon, or renowned racists and America haters like Obama has been weaned on all his life.

Mr. Isall, I'm quite disappointed in you. You're too old to be so naive and obtuse.


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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:53 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Jong - may I call you Erica ?

Anyway, McCain was too stupid to know about WHO again ? Todd Palin, John Singlaub, the Contras (which he personally funded) and G. Gordon Liddy for example ?


And WOW - talk about sleeze - can you say Charles Keating ? Sure you can.

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The Contras:

They took out their knives and stuck them under his fingernails. After they took his fingernails off, then they broke his elbows. Afterwards they gouged out his eyes. Then they took their bayonets and made all sorts of slices in his skin all around his chest, arms, and legs. They then took his hair off and the skin of his scalp. When they saw there was nothing left to do with him, they threw gasoline on him and burned him. The next day they started the same thing with a 13 year old girl. They did more or less the same, but they did other things to her too. First, she was utilized, raped by all the officers. They stripped her and threw her in a small room, they went in one by one. Afterwards they took her out tied and blindfolded. Then they began the same mutilating, pulling her fingernails out and cutting off her fingers, breaking her arms, gouging out her eyes and all they did to the other fellow. They cut her legs and stuck an iron rod into her womb.

Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken and their testicles cut off and their eyes poked out. They were then killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit.

I am in charge of a parish in the north of Nicaragua. My parishioners built a school, a health centre, a cultural centre. We have lived in peace. A few months ago a Contra force attacked the parish. They destroyed everything: the school, the health centre, the cultural centre. They raped nurses and teachers, slaughtered doctors, in the most brutal manner. They behaved like savages. Please demand that the US government withdraw its support from this shocking terrorist activity.



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Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:30 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Rue, you're a sad excuse for a human being. A spinner extraordinnaire, and totally full of horseshit as always. Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua. I guess your little Wiki cite book messed up that detail.

And I'm sure you'll be one of the first ones to jump out of a window when McCain wins. Hopefully you won't land on and injure a Republican in the process.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:43 AM

RIGHTEOUS9




I've asked this before, and still never gotten an answer from any righty here.

why are you okay with voting Sarah Palin into the White House?

Does anybody truly believe she's qualified?

And if no, don't you give a fuck that she isn't?

....

if yes...

uh...

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?!

..........

also, can somebody give me examples of democratic candidates who were as completely lost as Dan Quayle, George W. and Sarah Palin?

We may have our gaffers, but those 3 are some serious dummies(in the sense of being underlearned and uninquisitive - I make no claims to their actual intelligence)

Is it just the GOP who can get away with this? Does this say something about the GOP voter base? or are there real examples of this on the democratic side of things that I just can't think of?

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:44 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Erica,

"Rue, you're a sad excuse for a human being. A spinner extraordinnaire, and totally full of horseshit as always. Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua. I guess your little Wiki cite book messed up that detail."


You are an ignorant blob, in the ranks with Rap.

Here is the Wiki information you couldn't be bothered to look up:

... organization is generally referred to by the initials FSLN and its members are called, in both English and Spanish, Sandinistas. This term comes from the anti-imperialist struggle of Augusto César Sandino during the 1930s.

The FLSN overthrew the Somoza regime in 1979, establishing a revolutionary government in its place.[1][2] Following their seizure of power, the Sandinistas ruled Nicaragua for roughly 11 years from 1979 to 1990, first as part of a Junta of National Reconstruction. Following the resignation of centrist members from this Junta, the FSLN effectively took exclusive power in March 1981. In 1984 there were elections which were very widely observed and almost universally declared to be free and fair in which they won the majority of the votes.

Upon assuming power, the FSLNs political platform included the following, nationalization of property owned by the Somozas and their collaborators; land reform; improved rural and urban working conditions; free unionization for all workers, both urban and rural; price fixing for commodities of basic necessity; improved public services, housing conditions, education; abolition of torture, political assassination and the death penalty; protection of democratic liberties; Equality for women; non-aligned foreign policy; formation of a 'popular army' under the leadership of the FSLN and Humberto Ortega.


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Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua.
Yes, they were so terrible they threw out a corrupt dictator (Somoza), increased literacy from 50% to 87%, set up rural medical clinics, lowered the infant mortality rate, eliminated polio, and distributed land to small farmers. (Those dastardly socialists increased private ownership!)

Sheesh! How dare they do all that bad stuff????

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I thought you'd be old and wise enough to understand you don't excuse poor behavior and bad judgement by pointing fingers at others in an attempt at moral or ethical equivalency.



You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is EXACTLY what you're doing, and all you've EVER DONE.

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Is it just the GOP who can get away with this? Does this say something about the GOP voter base? or are there real examples of this on the democratic side of things that I just can't think of?



Yes, they actually, actively DESPISE intellectualism and intelligence. In this regard, they are absolutely no different from Mao Tse-Tung, the Khmer Rouge, or the Third Reich. Kill all the smart people, and the dumb ones will fall in line. This is EXACTLY the America that the Republicans want and strive for.

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:25 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I was all ready to pounce on Sarah Palin's latest dealings with the McCain Maverick Party's rendition of "My Fair Lady" (By George, I think she's got it), BTW what are Soccer Moms wearing these days?

But, alas, I thought to myself What's the Big Deal? What self-respecting VP candidate, with a million dollar bod, would turn down a chance to look like - well, a million bucks? (For a brief moment I thought of using Hil as an example, but then I said "Nah" it's just not the same).

Family scandals, mysterious expenditures and "colorful truths" aside I thought "there's gotta be a better way" to respond without resorting to name-calling and mudslinging. Then I came across an interesting article - from a Republican no less.

Read on my friends, Country first!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b
_137150.html


Rumors of my death have been extremely exaggerated.

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The article says
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... the Republican brand has been tarnished in a shameless effort to gain votes and appeal to the lowest emotion, fear.
That's the problem in a nutshell. It ends with
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After the last eight years, there's a lot of clean up do. Roll up your sleeves, Senators Obama and Biden, and we Goldwaters will roll ours up with you.
Amen!

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:55 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua.
Yes, they were so terrible they threw out a corrupt dictator (Somoza), increased literacy from 50% to 87%, set up rural medical clinics, lowered the infant mortality rate, eliminated polio, and distributed land to small farmers. (Those dastardly socialists increased private ownership!)

Sheesh! How dare they do all that bad stuff????

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The Sandanistas were brutal Communists. That's right, I forgot you're a Communist too. Figures you and Rue defend them. I hear things under Communism are just swell in Cuba and China, so why wouldn't you be living there? Those country's dictators take care of their people real well too. And if you ever could get hold of a time machine you could go back to 1930's Russia and try life under Stalin for a while. I hear that was a real hoot.

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

A hundred and fifty thousand dollar wardrobe!


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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:00 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Erica, Erica, Erica ...

Can't you get anything right either ? All I can figure is you've been hanging with Rap too much and, well, whatever he's got, it's catchy. Ya' gotta' stop having close contact like that.

I hope you're better soon. I'm sure a little sanity in your life would be a welcome reprieve from confusion and delusion.


Meanwhile, try learning the definitions of socialism and communism. Then go back and try to find where SignyM is either one. Consider it a form of rehabilitation therapy.


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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:02 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

A hundred and fifty thousand dollar wardrobe!



Yer a regular riot! Yer so funny & clever you should be on Bill Maher show with all the other fringe retards & insane people.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by rue:
Erica, Erica, Erica ...

Can't you get anything right either ? All I can figure is you've been hanging with Rap too much and, well, whatever he's got, it's catchy. Ya' gotta' stop having close contact like that.

I hope you're better soon. I'm sure a little sanity in your life would be a welcome reprieve from confusion and delusion.


Meanwhile, try learning the definitions of socialism and communism. Then go back and try to find where SignyM is either one. Consider it a form of rehabilitation therapy.


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Oh...Erica Jong, the author...I get it now. Wow, you really grabbed the brass ring with that one. You're a hopeless idiot Rue. I wish you'd stop responding to me. It is not desired, so other than trying to impress your motley crew of limp-wristed jerkoff followers here, I guess you do it because you cannot control the madness that flows from your obviously drug-damaged half-brain. Every thought in your fat head is fucked up. You need some re-education.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:25 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Has anyone else noticed that Erica is as twitchy as a tweaker ?

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The Sandanistas were brutal Communists.
Show me how they were more brutal than Somoza or the Contras. Bring me some facts: Comparatively how many people did they kill? How many people did they torture? How many people starved due to their policies? You know the saying Handsome is as handsome does? Or maybe this one: By their works you shall know them? Instead of just reacting to the labels that someone told you, why don't you go find some truth?

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:57 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yes, they actually, actively DESPISE intellectualism and intelligence. In this regard, they are absolutely no different from Mao Tse-Tung, the Khmer Rouge, or the Third Reich. Kill all the smart people, and the dumb ones will fall in line. This is EXACTLY the America that the Republicans want and strive for.

Mike




Don't forget hating "the gays", and taking the "anyone who disagrees - is a TRAITOR!" stance.

They really have checked off all the basic first steps of a facist state.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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The RNC has stated the clothes will be auctioned off for charity after the election; a little detail the dirty lying Dems conspicuously omit.

I want a cite for that.

No, I don't believe you - but IF you can come up with confirmation from an official source, and I mean official, like the RNC themselves, not some shill piece, then it becomes a non-issue for me.

I am still thinkin the uniforms idea is a pretty good one, cause I could care less if my candidate shops at K-mart or Family Dollar, I care how they do the job, yanno ?

Which candidate is the ONLY one who returns a substantial portion of their office operating costs budget to the treasury without fail, every single year ?

Any guesses ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:42 AM

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:53 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:


Besides, none of those you mention were mentored by or hired by slum lords, un-repentant Terrorist bombers of the US Capitol and Pentagon, or renowned racists and America haters like Obama has been weaned on all his life.


No they were despicable in DIFFERENT ways, you dork!!!
I can't even talk you you about this stuff- the Sandinistas were the BAD GUYS?!?!?!?!
Moral equivalency something to avoid...like you do?!?!?!
What are you now? The anti-matter PirateNews???
And what were YOU weaned on? McCarthy hearings?!?!?!?

I thought YOU were too old to be obtuse!!!!



The retaliatory Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:00 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
... twitchy as a tweaker ?





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Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Jongs wrote:

You need some re-education.



Spoken like a true fascist! Send all those who disagree with you to the re-education camps!

Mike




What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So here we have Sarah Palin, the self-professed "Joe Six-Pack hockey mom, who's skrimpin' and strugglin' to pay the bills, don'tcha know", and who's trying to persuade us all that she's just an average mom and a small-town populist with "real American" values. Meanwhile, she's strutting around with a hundred and fifty large worth of designer clothes and nearly $5k just in hair and makeup.

Does anything seem out of place in this picture? Does this sound like your average housewife and mom? Isn't this the kind of hypocrisy that got John Edwards in trouble with his populist rhetoric and $400 haircuts? (We're talking BEFORE his sleazy affairs were revealed and confirmed)

Doesn't Palin come across as an elitist? A snob? Over eighteen grand a WEEK on clothes? Who the hell does she think she is? A CELEBRITY?! Paris Hilton?

Will she have a sex-tape coming out soon?

Of course, realistically, the issue that's much more important in the real scheme of things is her lying on her expense reports and bilking the people of Alaska out of over twenty grand - but the GOP would be just as happy to focus on her clothes-horse status and NOT have to address the REAL issues, right?

It says something about her character, is what I'm saying...

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:24 PM

KIRKULES


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
so other than trying to impress your motley crew of limp-wristed jerkoff followers here, I guess you do it because you cannot control the madness that flows from your obviously drug-damaged half-brain. Every thought in your fat head is fucked up. You need some re-education.


I'm with you Jong, but they'd have to be educated first before they could be re-educated. They think facts are the things they all come up with in the endless liberal circle jerks that go on around here. They wouldn't know a fact if it was delivered to them on a stone tablet by their savior Barack Obama. It seems pretty pointless even trying to discuss facts with them they don't understand the concept, but they do seem to understand a properly placed go fuck yourself.

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:11 PM

REAVERMAN


God, as much as I despise Obama for being a Socialist prick, Palin really has me considering voting for him, or possibly not voting at all. Everytime the woman opens her mouth, some new idiocy seems to spew forth, while at the same time, interesting little tidbits like her clothes budget crop up.

I'm about this close (*holds fingers slightly apart*) to just saying "fuck it" and giving up on democracy altogether. Every single election we choose between some douchebag and a moron to lead the country. I don't think I've seen a single election where one of the candidates seemed capable of handling the job effectively and responsibly.

*sigh* [/rant]

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-The Stranger

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:13 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"They wouldn't know a fact if it was delivered to them on a stone tablet ..."

Cites please.

I see a post VERY long on opinion (and hate), and very short on actual ... facts.

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BTW - FWIW I am not an Obama supporter. I am simply anti-McCain. It's simply defensive voting.

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:48 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Reaverman:
God, as much as I despise Obama for being a Socialist prick, Palin really has me considering voting for him, or possibly not voting at all. Everytime the woman opens her mouth, some new idiocy seems to spew forth, while at the same time, interesting little tidbits like her clothes budget crop up.

I'm about this close (*holds fingers slightly apart*) to just saying "fuck it" and giving up on democracy altogether. Every single election we choose between some douchebag and a moron to lead the country. I don't think I've seen a single election where one of the candidates seemed capable of handling the job effectively and responsibly.

*sigh* [/rant]



I completely understand were you are coming from. I would be flipping a coin to help me decide if personalities had anything to do with my decision. I find Obama a much more pleasant person than McCain but can't understand peoples negative feeling about Palin. I hope you will leave the personalities aside and vote for the person whose policies most closely resemble your positions. Policies are all that really matters to me because I already don't like the next President no matter what.

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Too bloody true Kirk - but it's comin pretty clear were likely to get stuck with jugears, so I say we make the best of it by bein ready, willin and able to crack his hand with a ruler every time he steps outta line.

He'd be if naught else, a useful interm for us to put the leash back on and remind those on the hill who the hell they supposedly work for.

Not like those drinkin his koolaid are likely to, so it's down to us - you with me ?

-F

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:02 PM

ODESSA762


What's the big deal with the clothes? Tracey Schmitt, spokesman for the McCain/Palin campaign, says the clothes will be donated after the campaign. The info is out there if you look around a little. Big deal...

What's the problem with either party doing everything possible to present their candidates in the best possible light?

Would it be better if she campaigned in sweats & a hairnet? Would the media give her a break then?

Where do the Dems get their clothes? I see Palin getting slammed, but I see no mention of how that compares directly to the Dem ticket.

How about staying focused on the issues, mmmk?

I have a serious question that I have not seen Senator Obama answer or address...

Does anyone know if he will make the Bush tax cuts permanent if he is elected? Or will he allow them to expire ... thereby raising taxes on all of us?

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Does anyone know if he will make the Bush tax cuts permanent if he is elected? Or will he allow them to expire ... thereby raising taxes on all of us?



I believe he's said repeatedly that he'd let them expire. I don't get how that qualifies as "raising taxes on all of us", though; these are the tax cuts that Bush gave to the top 5% - those who net over $250,000 per year. Hardly "all of us". The vast majority of "all of us" - some 95% - would either see no increase (those at the very bottom) or an actual tax DECREASE under Obama's plan.

It should also be noted that McCain voted AGAINST the Bush tax cuts, saying that they were unnecessary. So he was against them before he was for them. Just another of his many flip-flops. I'd bet cashy money that McCain would let them expire, too.

Mike

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:32 PM

ODESSA762


I dunno - at the time, I was grossing exactly 52K a year, and my taxes went down under Bush's tax plan (I netted a little more each pay period - I took a look at my pay stubs...yeah, jeeze, I save them! *shrug*). I also recall getting a check from the gov.

So, it looks like my taxes will go back up if either candidate lets the plan expire, if you are correct about Senator McCain, Kwicko. yuk

Here's the thing I don't get about raising taxes on folks that earn over 250K...how does raising taxes on my boss (Big Bucks!) make things better for the nation? If the gov takes more of his money, he is going to look for way to get that money back somehow - he is used to getting $XXXXXX every month from his business. If his taxes go up, he will just give himself a raise to compensate for the increased taxes. That money has to come from someplace. If his business earnings stay the same, he has to cut business cost's someplace, right? I know he would resist cutting staff, but he would cut other expenses around the shop. He might alter our 401k plan, or our health benefits. Hell, today I asked for cash to replace some flourescent light bulbs that are out. I got turned down! ("Let's see how business is on Friday"). If cutting back on little things like that don't get him back to where he was pre-tax increase, he will - reluctantly - start to cut staff.

Seems to me that that scenario would put a strain on the gov ... if more folks lose their jobs or even if they just have their benefits cut.

I am no economist, so I don't know if I am missing something here, but raising taxes on the nation's job creators isn't really making sense to me.

I don't have much faith in a government run health care system, either. I have first hand experience with gov-run medical programs (Carter & Reagan VA) ... not attractive.

Time to dig around a little more on each campaign's respective site...

I really thought I had my mind made up....

YIKES! Sorry for all the off-topic stuff gang!

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:18 PM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:


I'm no fan of hers, but somehow this doesn't strike me as terribly reproachable, unless it really is out of proportion compared to her peers.

So, if they all spend that kind of money on clothes & stuff, it's okay? That's sick. What was spent on one person's clothes would feed & house 3 families for a year.
Anyone that throws money around like that while pretending to feel our pain is reprehensible IMHO.



Grrrrisall



I don't find it more reproachable in her than in anyone else. This thread focused on her specifically, and it seemed unlikely to me that there was a very good reason for that exclusive focus.

Is it right that they spend this sort of money on looking good on camera, while talking about the struggles of average people? Obviously, it is a kind of hypocrisy, and obviously the money could be better spent. But everyone does it because they have to be like a celebrity to get people's attention, it seems. Great hair, great face, great clothes, memorable buzz words.

But that's a problem much bigger than one person or one election season. So why pretend it isn't and pick on just one person?

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:30 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:50 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Odessa762:


Here's the thing I don't get about raising taxes on folks that earn over 250K...how does raising taxes on my boss (Big Bucks!) make things better for the nation? If the gov takes more of his money, he is going to look for way to get that money back somehow - he is used to getting $XXXXXX every month from his business. If his taxes go up, he will just give himself a raise to compensate for the increased taxes. That money has to come from someplace. If his business earnings stay the same, he has to cut business cost's someplace, right? I know he would resist cutting staff, but he would cut other expenses around the shop. He might alter our 401k plan, or our health benefits. Hell, today I asked for cash to replace some flourescent light bulbs that are out. I got turned down! ("Let's see how business is on Friday"). If cutting back on little things like that don't get him back to where he was pre-tax increase, he will - reluctantly - start to cut staff.

Seems to me that that scenario would put a strain on the gov ... if more folks lose their jobs or even if they just have their benefits cut.

I am no economist, so I don't know if I am missing something here, but raising taxes on the nation's job creators isn't really making sense to me.

I don't have much faith in a government run health care system, either. I have first hand experience with gov-run medical programs (Carter & Reagan VA) ... not attractive.




You don't have to be an economist to figure this out...And , you're on the right track !

NO NATION in History has EVER Taxed Or SPENT its way into prosperity...

Only productive enterprise is ever able to create Jobs OR Wealth...

Governments don't do it...They just get in a man's way...

Unless that man is Barack Obama...If he's elected , he'll get busy picking pockets all over this country...

That's why European Socialists like him so much...The folk in Europe perceive that Barry Obama is one of THEM ! Remember his humongous rallies in Berlin ?


definition : Social Democrat , a member of any of certain political parties with socialistic principles , in Germany , etc.
--The American College Dictionary


I might like Barry Obama as a person , but when he indicates his desire to lift my wallet , to " spread the Wealth around " , I'm getting more than a little P.O.'d...

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:59 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


I am still thinkin the uniforms idea is a pretty good one, cause I could care less if my candidate shops at K-mart or Family Dollar, I care how they do the job, yanno ?

Which candidate is the ONLY one who returns a substantial portion of their office operating costs budget to the treasury without fail, every single year ?

Any guesses ?

-Frem





RON ERNEST PAUL ?



By the way , the Uniforms idea is great...

Make 'em ALL wear Orange Jumpsuits , 'til they each graduate to being a humble servant of WE THE PEOPLE ,
at which time we'll award them 'Honorary' Brown Coats , and pants with a brown stripe up the leg...

Optional Suspenders , for the completion of
" The Evening Look "...


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Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 PM

KHYRON


So why does the guy whose economic policies consist almost entirely out of eliminating pork-barrel spending not have a problem with his VP candidate spending $150000 on clothes?

Here's a summary of what John McCain said about this kind of spending back in the days before he became his own worst enemy:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/204815/24/493/639218

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Friday, October 24, 2008 1:40 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Greetings to Liberals !

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Friday, October 24, 2008 1:49 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Awww, poor wittle frail-ego weenie is so damn happy to dish it out, but can't take it when someone fires back ?

Typical of the breed, actually - at least Hero has a sense of humor, Geeze and Anthony can be reasonable and logical even under fire, Rap and Finn have staying power, and Kirk sensibly brings stuff to the table worth arguing about.

What do you have ?
Nothing but a bunch of easily shattered half-truths and lies backed up by a nebulous and frail set of arguments filled in with plain nastiness and petulance.

As is well known, I shake the towers of peoples faith to see what they're made of, and I think perhaps you should consider some renovations, all else aside.

So go on, take your ball and go home, it's not like I'd miss you, but I do spit a general curse in your direction for being one less available person NOT blinded by Obama's pretty little shine and thus more likely to drop the bomb on his inevitable abuses of power.

Wimp.

EDIT: And worse, you didn't even have the guts to let the post stand, you snivelling coward, but I cached a copy just to beat you over the head with when you inevitably break your word, just like all your GOP idols do.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 24, 2008 2:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA


On a lighter note, I got no issue with little Piper carryin one of mommys Louis Vuitton bags, she didn't get to pick who mommy was, and it's not like she was the one who bought it anyhow.

Yeah yeah yeah, I got a soft spot for kids, I know, but one thing I never do is blame em for who their parents are - not that I think that's what was meant, just sayin, if she wants to carry one of mommys bags, more power to her.

My niece has her mothers unfortunate tendancy to damage hers by whapping overly "friendly" boys with em - so I bought her one made by dickies, the same folk who make my damn near indestructible work pants, and sewed a pouch of number nine shot into it covered by a false bottom to give it a little more "authority".

Seems the boys have learned to keep their hands to themselves, as of late, gee I wonder why ?


-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 24, 2008 2:46 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


In other fashion news...
Looks like Sen. Obama's suits are tailored for him by Hart, Schaffner and Marx. He's bought at least five. They're so popular that HartMarx has begun selling off-the-rack copies for $1,500.00 a pop, so you'd expect that the tailored ones cost more. No info yet on shirts, ties, shoes and accessories.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1234832,CST-NWS-obamasuit2
2.article


Michelle Obama also likes style, wearing couture by such well-known designers as Maria Pinto and Isabel Toledo.

What does any of this, or Gov. Palin's clothes, have to do with politics or the election, you ask?

NOTHING!!!

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, October 24, 2008 2:52 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

one thing I never do is blame em for who their parents are



Their own conduct, on the other hand, tsk tsk.
I guess the apple never does fall too far from the tree, does it ?

I can't help but snicker though, kids these days, pfffthh.

CORRECTION: My sweeper says this image has been edited, so prolly she just shook her fist at him, and didn't flip him the bird, still funny tho.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 24, 2008 3:05 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
What does any of this, or Gov. Palin's clothes, have to do with politics or the election, you ask?

NOTHING!!!

During a time of economic woe, the RNC spends $150000 of donors' hard-earned money on Palin's clothes and that doesn't tell you something about how another Republican administration might handle its fiscal responsibilities?

David Frum can hardly be described as a liberal. Here's what he had to say:
Quote:

The median monthly mortgage payment in the US in 2007 was about $1500. In other words, Sarah Palin spent very nearly as much on clothing in a single month as the typical American family will spend on housing over the next ten years.
http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzU4YjQ5Zjg3ZDY5MWQyYmRlY2UyYmE
3ZTg3YjJkZTM
=

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:17 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
During a time of economic woe, the RNC spends $150000 of donors' hard-earned money on Palin's clothes and that doesn't tell you something about how another Republican administration might handle its fiscal responsibilities?


During a time of economic woe, the DNC spends $150 million plus of donors hard-earned money on political ads - which have debatable effect, and can't even be auctioned off later. Think of the good that could be done if just 10%, even 5%, of that money were used to alleviate poverty, help prevent foreclosures, pay fuel bills for those who can't afford it. Why would anyone vote for such heartless, win-at-all-costs, bastards?

See I can make up shit just as silly, and as void of real content, as yours.

Sorry, but Gov. Palin's wardrobe has nothing to do with how the RNC or the Republican Party works, except in the minds of those who would criticize them if they gave away free bread. All the whining and finger-pointing just makes you look like spiteful children.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:30 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Think of the good that could be done if just 10%, even 5%, of that money were used to alleviate poverty, help prevent foreclosures, pay fuel bills for those who can't afford it. Why would anyone vote for such heartless, win-at-all-costs, bastards?

You know, that would NOT be a bad campaign move, especially with decent press coverage - sure it'd come off as a little self serving, but that's what spin is for, yes ?

I do think Miss P's wardrobe's a bit excessive, but that kinda goes for all of em, when it comes to it - still, discussing fiscal responsibility in a suit that costs more than I make in three months annoys the piss outta me no matter who does it.

-F

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:37 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Sorry, but Gov. Palin's wardrobe has nothing to do with how the RNC or the Republican Party works, except in the minds of those who would criticize them if they gave away free bread.



dude, free bread...where, where..??

Ok, so it's much ado about nothing... right? well maybe, but then I saw this....

Quote:

If Palin's $150,000 shopping spree had Republicans disgusted, then the report that her makeup stylist cost $22,800 for the first two weeks of October should have them livid. The stylist, Amy Strozzi, was apparently paid more than any other McCain staffer during that period.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/palins-makeup-artist-is-m_n_1
37513.html


that probably warrants investigation for validity, but if it is true, (and that money won't be given back - don't think you can donate the whole face, ya know)... it would seem that the money could have been put to better use - i mean, the folks that fell for Palin would probably like her with or without makeup...

just to repeat - the makeup person was paid MORE than any McCain staffer for two weeks in Oct..... that is just incredible to me.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:49 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Makes ME wonder who's really running for office. What's his name, or Palin.

BTW - women are smarter than men about Palin.

A whopping 60% of women aged 50 and younger have a negative view of Mrs Palin, according to a poll released by the Pew Research Centre on October 21st. Mrs Palin has also had only a fleeting impact on white women. After the Republican convention white women favoured Mr McCain over Mr Obama by 51% to 40%, according to Gallup. They now favour Mr Obama by 47% to 46%.


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Silence is consent.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:57 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM



...makes me want to enroll in cosmetology school...

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Friday, October 24, 2008 8:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Awww, poor wittle frail-ego weenie is so damn happy to dish it out, but can't take it when someone fires back ?

Typical of the breed, actually - at least Hero has a sense of humor, Geeze and Anthony can be reasonable and logical even under fire, Rap and Finn have staying power, and Kirk sensibly brings stuff to the table worth arguing about.




Frem: You forgot Veteran who, along with Geezer and AnthonyT, are the ONLY conservative voices around these parts that refuse to lower themselves to namecalling and personal attacks.

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

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Friday, October 24, 2008 12:12 PM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
During a time of economic woe, the DNC spends $150 million plus of donors hard-earned money on political ads - which have debatable effect, and can't even be auctioned off later. Think of the good that could be done if just 10%, even 5%, of that money were used to alleviate poverty, help prevent foreclosures, pay fuel bills for those who can't afford it. Why would anyone vote for such heartless, win-at-all-costs, bastards?

The difference is, when people donate money to a campaign, they know that political ads for millions of $$$ will be part of that campaign (regardless of how effective they may or my not be). They don't donate their cash so that one of the candidates can go on a shopping spree that a 16-year-old Valley girl with a credit card and no credit limit would be ashamed of.

Maybe you could tell me how this can be reconciled with McCain's position on this issue back in 1993/1994. I linked it earlier, here it is again:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/204815/24/493/639218

Quote:

Sorry, but Gov. Palin's wardrobe has nothing to do with how the RNC or the Republican Party works, except in the minds of those who would criticize them if they gave away free bread. All the whining and finger-pointing just makes you look like spiteful children.
The "fiscal responsibility" party goes on a wild shopping spree for clothes and anyone who points out that this is fiscally irresponsible is a spiteful child. Noted.

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