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Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:41 AM

WULFENSTAR

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I wanted to ask some simple questions here...

Not to divide or to annoy, but more along the lines to educate. I'm not interested in the why of them, but rather the truth of them.

For once we have the TRUTH, we can work to change them.

Not rationalize or give cause to, but to make things better.

So here they are:

1. Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?

2. Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments? (Consider that there are children within our own borders who will go to sleep tonight without enough food to eat)

3. Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders? If not, will a wall stop them?

4. Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives? (No smoking within our homes, drug-laws, and PC)


Most of these questions are Yes or No. We can cover the why of them later. But for now, its time to face the truth of things.


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Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:02 PM

SIGNYM

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Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?
Yes. The rich areas.
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Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments?
Yes, but only if it serves our (average person's) interests.
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Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders?
No.
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If not, will a wall stop them?
No
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Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives?
No.


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Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:47 PM

EVILDINOSAUR


1. Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?

That question is too generalized to answer, there are areas where the answer is yes, and areas where the answer is no

2. Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments? (Consider that there are children within our own borders who will go to sleep tonight without enough food to eat)

I would say no, I've never been a fan of this "usa has to save the world" policy that we seem to have

3. Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders? If not, will a wall stop them?

I say let them in, cuz they're gonna get in anyway, but legalize them, let's get them paying some taxes, then see if they're still interested in coming here

4. Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives? (No smoking within our homes, drug-laws, and PC)

That depends on the laws. The general rule that should be followed is that an individual's rights extend to the point where they effect on another individual's rights. Banning smoking in public is a good law, banning it in a private residence is not.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:03 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I will try to answer your questions from personal experience. I will grant you a yes or no answer, but then I will proceed to explain myself as I have no use for rules that limit my responses. Reducing me to Yes or No leaves the possibility for misinterpretation, most especially with questions as broad as these.

1. Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?

Yes. I grew up in Hialeah, Florida, a primarily Hispanic city. I had no problems there. I currently live in an area of Phoenix, Arizona with a high concentration of Hispanics and African Americans. The singular incident where violence was threatened upon my family, it was from a non-Black, non-Hispanic white dude who lives next door. He threatened to shoot my wife because my dog got under the fence and into his yard. I've had no other difficulty.


2. Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments? (Consider that there are children within our own borders who will go to sleep tonight without enough food to eat)

Yes. If we obtain tangible benefits for our own people in return.


3. Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders? If not, will a wall stop them?

No. We should make the process of becoming a resident alien much easier instead. No physical barrier has ever succeeded in stopping immigration, to my knowledge. I'd like to see a change in law that allows just about any non-criminal alien the right to become a resident alien, legally, in this country. I like that French tablet sitting in that copper statue's hands in New York roundabouts. It says good stuff.

4. Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives? (No smoking within our homes, drug-laws, and PC)

Yes we can. We shouldn't, but we can and we probably will. Pity.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, August 22, 2008 3:53 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Thank you folks for being some of the few brave ones willing to answer these simple questions.

Its a sad state of affairs when folks are nervous of offending or crossing PC lines even on such a site as this. And you are annonymous to boot.

Im getting hammered at work, so itll be a while before I can answer these myself.

But afterwards, I'd like to discuss what real solutions we can come up with to fix these problems.

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Friday, August 22, 2008 4:06 AM

CHRISISALL


1. Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?

No, they are war zones. 96% of all illegal firearms and 98.2% of our nation's violence are concentrated in these areas.

2. Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments? (Consider that there are children within our own borders who will go to sleep tonight without enough food to eat)

Yes. It gives us greater security here at home when our distant foreign neighbours are happy.


3. Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders? If not, will a wall stop them?

No. They are a blight on this great country, a bacteria. No wall will keep these cockaroaches out- our police need 'shoot-on-sight' orders, it's the only way.

4. Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives? (No smoking within our homes, drug-laws, and PC)

Yes. Total (albeit benign) control of our every move is the only to protect us from the suicidal wolves scratching at our gate, ready to nuke us at every turn. We must welcome Patriot Act #2 with open arms.




Chrisisallwiththeprogram

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Friday, August 22, 2008 4:07 AM

KHYRON


I agree with SignyM's answers, except possibly #2 (it depends on which foreign governments and for what purpose).

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Friday, August 22, 2008 4:09 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I wanted to ask some simple questions here...

Not to divide or to annoy, but more along the lines to educate. I'm not interested in the why of them, but rather the truth of them.

For once we have the TRUTH, we can work to change them.

Not rationalize or give cause to, but to make things better.

So here they are:

1. Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?

2. Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments? (Consider that there are children within our own borders who will go to sleep tonight without enough food to eat)

3. Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders? If not, will a wall stop them?

4. Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives? (No smoking within our homes, drug-laws, and PC)


Most of these questions are Yes or No. We can cover the why of them later. But for now, its time to face the truth of things.



1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No
Simple answers to complicated questions.

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Friday, August 22, 2008 4:43 AM

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Chrissy,

Do you think its funny?

Im just curious as to what kind of point you are making?

Or is this your attempt at sarcasm? Maybe you really think this is what the so-called Conservatives believe?

In any case,

back to work.

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Friday, August 22, 2008 4:46 AM

SIMONWHO


5. Can we get rid of all the Mexicans?
6. Why won't other countries just accept being invaded by us is a privilege?
7. Why do the police keep interfering when I beat my kids and rape my wife?

So many questions...

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Friday, August 22, 2008 4:51 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Chrissy,

Do you think its funny?

I find simple-mindedness amusing at times, yes.
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Im just curious as to what kind of point you are making?

I have a point? Is that better than a plan?
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Or is this your attempt at sarcasm?

More than an attempt, yet less than a victory.
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Maybe you really think this is what the so-called Conservatives believe?


The FRINGE-Y-ER ones, maybe

Chrisisall

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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:05 AM

WULFENSTAR

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"1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No
Simple answers to complicated questions."


Yes, they are. Give me some time, Im going someplace with this.



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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:10 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:



Give me some time, Im going someplace with this.



Okay dude, my real answers:

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No

Simplyisall

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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:18 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Id like to add an addendum to the first question:

1.b. Have you ever lived in an area where blacks and/or hispanics were the majority? Would you live there again? Would you take your family to live there?

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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Give me some time, Im going someplace with this.

Does it involve a handbasket ?

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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:32 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

1.b. Have you ever lived in an area where blacks and/or hispanics were the majority? Would you live there again? Would you take your family to live there?


Again, real answer:
I grew up on the line between a somewhat mixed neighbourhood, and a predominately black one. While I feel totally comfortable being in a black area, I would tend to favour living in a mixed neighbourhood (as I do presently), or one of my own race, and I think most peeps from ANY race would say that, simply because physical differences can sometimes be an excuse for prejudice, occasionally in the form of confrontation.



The human Chrisisall

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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:36 AM

KHYRON


No to the first question of your addendum.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Give me some time, Im going someplace with this.

Okay, but it better not be something along the lines of "Well, according to Cosmo, your answers mean that you're selfish in bed and that you 'do not adequately share emotional space in your relationship'! Huh!"



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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:38 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

"1.b. Have you ever lived in an area where blacks and/or hispanics were the majority? Would you live there again? Would you take your family to live there?"

Short Answer: Yes. Yes. Yes.

I see that you're not understanding the concept of Hialeah, the city where I was born and raised. It's physically adjacent to Miami. It has a population of about 230,000 people, of which 90% are Hispanic. Median household income is about 29.5k, which is about 10k less than the National average. Violent crime is rated at 6.2 per 1,000 people.

Never. Had. A. Problem.

Not only does most of my bloodline reside in that city, but I visit them yearly. However, the job prospects were better in Phoenix, which is where I live now. Hmm... Phoenix...

About 1.4 million souls, 41% of them being Hispanic. In my particular neck of the woods, you could probably double that figure. Violent Crime rate is 6.9 per 1,000 people.

Had a problem with the white dude next door.

This is where my wife and I live. This is where we will make a family for ourselves, if we're not laid off.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, August 22, 2008 7:17 AM

WULFENSTAR

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I understood your response the first time. This post is not directed soley at you, or anyone else for that matter.

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Friday, August 22, 2008 7:22 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
1. Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?


Safe for who?

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2. Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments?


Yes.
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3. Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders? If not, will a wall stop them?


Thats two questions. The answer is that we, as Americans, do not allow illegal immigrants within our borders. If we did, they'd be LEGAL. A better question is along the lines of 'should we be doing more to deport them'?

And a wall will keep some of them out...so will poison and death rays. We can start with the wall.
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4. Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives? (No smoking within our homes, drug-laws, and PC)


Drug laws are not invasive, drug testing may be.

The answer to your question is yes, we can allow them subject to their Constitutionality. Should we allow such laws? Depends on the law. I say smoke if ya got 'em...but not in my office.

H

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Friday, August 22, 2008 7:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

"1.b. Have you ever lived in an area where blacks and/or hispanics were the majority? Would you live there again? Would you take your family to live there?"

Short Answer: Yes. Yes. Yes.

I see that you're not understanding the concept of Hialeah, the city where I was born and raised. It's physically adjacent to Miami. It has a population of about 230,000 people, of which 90% are Hispanic. Median household income is about 29.5k, which is about 10k less than the National average. Violent crime is rated at 6.2 per 1,000 people.

Never. Had. A. Problem.

Not only does most of my bloodline reside in that city, but I visit them yearly. However, the job prospects were better in Phoenix, which is where I live now. Hmm... Phoenix...

About 1.4 million souls, 41% of them being Hispanic. In my particular neck of the woods, you could probably double that figure. Violent Crime rate is 6.9 per 1,000 people.

Had a problem with the white dude next door.

This is where my wife and I live. This is where we will make a family for ourselves, if we're not laid off.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner


I used to live in Miami Lakes. That makes us neighbors almost. Both are nice areas, but have seen better times. You left and went west, and I left and moved to Weston. Small 'verse.

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Friday, August 22, 2008 8:50 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

All the best eateries were in Miami Lakes. My family used to drive up there on weekends to treat ourselves. Also, I liked their movie theater better than the one on 49th street. But the Crown cinema further up the road was my favorite. Plus there was a Applebees or some such right next door, if memory serves. Beats the heck out of movie food.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, August 22, 2008 5:57 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Have we waited long enough to have the point of this thread revealed to us, or is there more suspense in store?

Thanks,

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, August 22, 2008 6:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Id like to add an addendum to the first question:

1.b. Have you ever lived in an area where blacks and/or hispanics were the majority? Would you live there again? Would you take your family to live there?



Yes. Yes - still live here. Yes - they are with me now.




Mike

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Friday, August 22, 2008 6:39 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
1. Are areas with a majority of black or hispanic folk, safe areas?

That’s not a good question. The answer is: it depends on the area in question. I see what you’re getting at - poor neighborhoods with a predominately black or Hispanic population are more likely to be unsafe then similarly poor areas that are predominately Asian or white, but this has more to do with the “Gangsta” culture that is popular among poor blacks and Hispanic, then it is some quality of ethnicity. A white neighborhood that suffered from the same “Gangsta” culture would probably be equally unsafe. And wealthy neighbors that are predominately black or Hispanic are frequently very safe, predominately because wealthy people usually have better things to do with their time then get involved with dangerous cultural attitudes.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
2. Should we (as the U.S.) continue to give our money overseas to foreign governments? (Consider that there are children within our own borders who will go to sleep tonight without enough food to eat)

Once again, it depends on whether the resources re provide to other countries are worth the investment. Much of what we provide to foreign governments falls in the category of humanitarian aid. Some of which is distributed because Americans believe that helping those less fortunate then ourselves carries with it its own benefit. The philosophy of charity may be one that is not always logical or practical, but it is still people have often believed in. Then there is the practical stuff - like the money we give to Egypt, which is really just a bride to keep them from lapsing into killing Jews. The children within our own borders are important too, but this argument isn’t valid unless we can show that providing money to those children is the best way to improve their lives, which isn’t always true. Whether or a child gets to eat depends a great deal on whether the adults on whom they depend are caring and responsible. Some adults will never be caring and responsible and no amount of money will change that.
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
3. Should we, as Americans, continue to allow illegal immigrants within our borders? If not, will a wall stop them?

If the law allows an immigrant then he’s not illegal. Illegal immigrants aren’t allowed. We should deport more illegal immigrants and get rid of laws that protect illegal immigrants from the law the makes them illegal - this only confuses the distinction between illegal and legal immigrants. As for a wall, sure it will stop some illegal immigrants, but not pampering them with sanctuary laws would stop more, and would go a long way to cleaning up those Hispanic neighborhoods too.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
4. Can we continue to allow invasive laws pushed upon us. By invasive, I mean laws that try to govern our personal lives? (No smoking within our homes, drug-laws, and PC)

Well invasive laws and laws that govern personal affairs are to different things. For instance laws that forbid female circumcision, incest, spousal abuse, child rape or honor killings could be considering invasive by the way you’re using the term, since all of these issues could be considered our personal lives. So yes we should allow invasive laws, but like with all laws we should evaluate their necessity or their benefit vs. the restrictions they place on our lives so that they actually offer a net benefit.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Believe it or not, I find myself in almost complete agreement with Finn on this one.

I haven't given my answers to questions 1 - 4 simply because they aren't yes-or-no questions; they're complicated issues, and trying to boil them down to yes or no answers isn't going to get you anywhere. They're designed to be loaded questions, along the lines of:

Yes or No answers ONLY - no explanations allowed, only answer yes or no.

1. Do you still molest chidren?
2. Do you still beat your wife?
3. Are you still smoking crack on a daily basis?
4. Is it true that you still have sex with animals?

No matter which way you answer (yes or no only, remember), you're going to look like a fool once I get to reply.

Do you still molest children? No. Oh, so you've finally stopped molesting children! When did you stop?

You see what I mean? Yes or No just doesn't begin to cover the subject at hand...




Mike

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Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:37 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Believe it or not, I find myself in almost complete agreement with Finn on this one.


Me too...

Chrisisall

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Monday, August 25, 2008 6:35 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Well ?

Guess you didn't get the answers you wanted, eh ?

(Cue: Riddick Voice)
Told you that was comin.

"What we got here, is failure... to communicate, some men, you just can't reach, and so you get what we had in this thread here, which is how he wants it... well, he gets it, and I don't like it anymore than you do."

Guess we derailed your "going somewhere" train into a going-nowhere train wreck, did we ?

I did mention I was an asshole, right ?


-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, August 25, 2008 7:19 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Guess we derailed your "going somewhere" train into a going-nowhere train wreck, did we ?


Shut up, Frem.

Chrisisall

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Monday, August 25, 2008 8:06 AM

WULFENSTAR

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* Back again. Sorry Frem, I try to stay off the boards over the weekend.

Something about having a life.....


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Monday, August 25, 2008 8:11 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
* Back again. Sorry Frem, I try to stay off the boards over the weekend.

Something about having a life.....




Hello,

All right... weekend is over...

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, August 25, 2008 8:40 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Finn,

I agree with you on many of your statements.

Part of the point in this exercise was my humble attempt at getting people to think outside their little boxes.

Whether those boxes are Liberalism, Conservatism, feminism, racism, (or any other "ism" for that matter.)

Once we can honestly answer these questions, then we can go about fixing them. But while we keep blinding ourselves with PC crap, these problems continue to grow.

On to my answers:

1. Yes, most areas with a majority of black folk, or hispanic folk, are usually crime ridden ghettos/barrios. I do NOT believe this to be an inherent flaw in their "race", (Point of fact, I don't believe in race. But that’s for another time) but rather the culture that they have created.

I believe without a huge cultural shift, black/hispanic folk will continue to stagnate at the bottom rungs of our societies.

We, and I mean everyone, continue to feed into their stagnation, however. As long as we continue to baby folks with the “it ain’t your fault” mentality, there is no reason to change.

In fact, I would argue that the victim mentality, propagated by so many, has done more to hold an entire people back in the last 30 years, than all the sheet wearing idiots ever could.

It is my humble opinion that we need to hold folks accountable for their actions. To be successful in this, or any civilized country, you need personal accountability. The idea that the choices you make are your own, as are the consequences.

Black and hispanic folks must learn this in order to ever have things change amongst themselves. We, for our part, must no longer hold them back by treating them like children and “retards”. (Which is what we do any time we say that “you” are unable to achieve anything without “our” help)

2. No. We should not give our aid to any country overseas. Until we can balance our own budget, its time to stop propping up other lands.

3. No. Illegal Immigrants should not be allowed into our country, and if we find them, they should be kicked out. More on that later.

4. No. We cannot allow invasive laws any longer.


* Sorry this message got short in the end, I just had a ton of work dumped on my desk… will try to write more later.

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Monday, August 25, 2008 8:40 AM

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*whew

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Monday, August 25, 2008 9:04 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Your experience must diverge very much from mine. In Hialeah, where I grew up. and the adjacent Miami, I did not perceive an atmosphere of victimization and needyness. Nor would I describe those cities as massive sprawling ghettos. In fact, I see the Hispanics of these areas as mostly self-motivated individuals who are anxious to improve themselves and carve out a slice of the American Dream.

As in all major cities, there are ghettos, and the needy, and even people who prefer to spend their lives suckling at the government teat... but I do not see these people as a majority.

Where do you live, and what are your experiences, Wulf? Where do you get your ideas of Hispanic culture, and how did you come to your conclusions about what Hispanics and Blacks 'need to learn?'

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, August 25, 2008 9:12 AM

WULFENSTAR

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I must make the distinction:

I am not speaking of recently legally immigrated, Hispanics. Nor am I speaking of long standing legal immigrants. From my experience, they are some of the hardest working people around.

I speak rather, of illegal immigrants. I am thinking of places in California, or in D.C. where MS-13 has pretty much take over.

In answer to your question: Im from up North, (New Jersey to be exact) and a town called Plainfield.

Im currently in D.C.


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Monday, August 25, 2008 11:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

1. Yes, most areas with a majority of black folk, or hispanic folk, are usually crime ridden ghettos/barrios.

black/hispanic folk will continue to stagnate at the bottom rungs of our societies.


It is my humble opinion that we need to hold folks accountable for their actions.


Yes, let's call spades spades.

Someone hadda say itisall

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Monday, August 25, 2008 2:00 PM

WULFENSTAR

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Great way to pick and choose what you want there, Chrissy.

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Monday, August 25, 2008 2:11 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Great way to pick and choose what you want there, Chrissy.

Even un-distilled, it don't seem rightisall



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Monday, August 25, 2008 2:25 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Wulf,

I suppose it was not your intention to come off as offensive in this thread, though you may have succeeded in spite of yourself.

I'd like to say that the main gist of your post seems to be that you'd like to end Affirmative Action and Foreign Aid.

I can agree with the basic premise on both of those, even as I disagree wholeheartedly with some of your observations.

As for illegal immigration, it is a real problem. It creates a pseudo-slave class, as Piratenews is so fond of mentioning in the midst of his mad rambles. But my solution to the problem would be to legalize immigration. As in, easy-as-pie immigration. Don't need to sneak over here because we welcome you with open arms immigration. Sign here and welcome to the US of A, good luck with the American Dream immigration.

Once legal, they'll be contributing to the system in every measurable way, and there'll be no reason to fear their influx. It's kind of like Cannabis. If you legalize it, you can make money off of it instead of pissing away money fighting it. And you'll put a lot of criminals out of business until they can figure out a new racket.

--Anthony





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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:24 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Except the problem with that, is that immigration is ALREADY easy as pie. It is NOT costly, nor is it a long process.

I have it from first hand experience. The only ones who come here illegally, are criminals back in their own country.


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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
As for illegal immigration, it is a real problem. It creates a pseudo-slave class, as Piratenews is so fond of mentioning in the midst of his mad rambles. But my solution to the problem would be to legalize immigration. As in, easy-as-pie immigration. Don't need to sneak over here because we welcome you with open arms immigration. Sign here and welcome to the US of A, good luck with the American Dream immigration.

That won’t solve the problem of the “pseudo-slave class” - it will simply legalize it. Which I’m okay with, really, because I think being a pseudo-slave in the US is a huge step up from where most of these people are coming from, but the problem is that as soon as you have this so-called pseudo-slave class - what would be called a “working class” in any other country - you will have people screaming that the government must provide these people with free-this and free-that, because of the pseudo-argument that these people are “slaves,” when in reality they have far more freedom and wealth in the US then they would in most of the rest of the Americas. So setting aside the security issue, I’m okay with an open border policy if we can come to the agreement that these people are immigrating to the US for benefits that already exist, and that no more need be provided. But that argument will never work, because even if we agree on that, sooner or later this so-called “pseudo-slave class” will become a politically powerful voting block and they’ll vote themselves free-this and free-that out of my hard earned money. So basically, my point is, that the US economy, or any economy for that matter, cannot handle that large of an influx of poverty.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:58 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Very true. All good points.

It is my opinion that we, as Americans, need to look to ourselves first (at least for a while).

We cannot continue to try and take care of the rest of the world when our own house is burning.


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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:36 AM

ANTHONYT

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"I have it from first hand experience. The only ones who come here illegally, are criminals back in their own country."

Hello,

So Wulf, when did you commit a crime in your home country and immigrate to the U.S.?

Sweeping statements like this are often wrong, and you should avoid such absolutes. In fact, for many illegal immigrants, the only laws they've broken are the laws barring them from entering into and working in this country.

In any event, it seems you are against welfare, which is okay, but then you cloak your argument in erroneous facts about immigrants, such as that they are all criminals in their home country.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:00 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So basically, my point is, that the US economy, or any economy for that matter, cannot handle that large of an influx of poverty.


Yes, for the most part, I can agree.

Chrisisall

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