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Right Wing Hero Shoots Up Liberal Church

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:03 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Clinton started more wars then Bush.


The numbers of wars goes to Clinton...
But.
Who wins for the most peeps killed.....???



See my pointisall

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:06 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
MoveOn.org completely refutes the idea that the Left doesn't have wealth enough to be influential.


But not influential enough to stop unnecessary wars, I guess.
Dude, the way I see it, things like MoveOn just bring the overall balance back to the center

Of course, that’s the way you see it. People always see ideas they sympathize with as the underdogs justified in their action because of the need for balance. This is the same argument that terrorists use to justify targeting innocent civilians. You need to learn to see it more objectively and you’ll realize that neither the Left nor the Right is hurting for wealth in this country.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
......look at the whole demonizing of Iraq- NO "left" mainstream media challenge then, just yeah baby, he needs to be stopped (from, y'know, something)!!!!
Stop staring a the individual trees for a moment Finn, and look where we are. It's been Rightyville for a long time now.

So you think anyone who didn’t like Hussein’s Iraq is on “Rightyville?” This of course places the vast majority of the country include almost all Democrats in Rightyville. It was Clinton’s administration that made regime change in Iraq American Law. One interpretation of what your saying is that the “Right” has the balls to do what the “Left” only talks about, though I’m not entirely sure that’s necessarily true, that’s basically what your saying.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:14 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Clinton started more wars then Bush.


The numbers of wars goes to Clinton...
But.
Who wins for the most peeps killed.....???

I’m pretty sure neither Bush or Clinton killed anyone, but if you’re referring to casualties, it would be a lot closer then you think. Despite the fact the Clinton never actually committed to winning any of the wars he started, he still has comparable casualties.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

James was echoing a common distortion of U.S. military death figures by conservative pundits who misleadingly have compared combat deaths under the Bush administration to all military deaths -- combat and noncombat -- under the Clinton administration.


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Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:30 AM

CHRISISALL


So what you're saying, Finn, is the Clinton was Dr. Horrible, and Bush Is Captain Hammer.

I can hover with that.

Agreeing Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/military-deaths.htm
Quote:

Summary of the eRumor:
The forwarded email lists year-by-year statistics of military deaths from 1980 through 2006 and concludes that there were more deaths during the years of the presidency of Bill Clinton, when there was no war, than during the years of George W. Bush when there was war in Iraq and conflict in Afghanistan.

The Truth:
Whoever assembled this eRumor claimed that it was based on statistics from the U.S. Government, but the figures in the eRumor do not match the figures in the actual government report it references.
The eRumor includes a link to the report, which was dated June 29, 2007, and prepared by the Congressional Research Service. It is titled American War and Military Operations Casualties: Lists and Statistics.

Whoever created this forwarded email exaggerated the death statistics from the Clinton years and reduced the actual numbers from the Bush years. The eRumor, for example. claims that there were more than 14,000 deaths during the Clinton presidency and a little more than 7,000 deaths during the presidency of George W. Bush. In reality the opposite is true. There were 7500 military deaths during the Clinton years and as of the date of the report, 8792 deaths during the Bush presidency.

Here is a comparison of what the email claims compared with with the government report actually says:

The doctored data were from the Clinton and George W. Bush years so that is the focus of this comparison. The discrepancies are in red:
Year eRumor
Figures Actual
Figures Presidency
1993 1213 1213 Clinton
1994 1075 1075 Clinton
1995 2465 1040 Clinton
1996 2318 974 Clinton
1997 817 817 Clinton
1998 2252 827 Clinton
1999 1984 796 Clinton
2000 1983 758 Clinton
Totals: 14107 7500
2001 890 891 George W. Bush
2002 1007 999 George W. Bush
2003 1410 1228 George W. Bush
2004 1887 1874 George W. Bush
2005 919 1942 George W. Bush
2006 920 1858 George W. Bush
Totals: 7033 8792



In other words, someone lied about the numbers.


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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 10:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Also, Clinton wasn't responsible for 40,000 maimed, brain-damaged or traumatized soldiers.

perspectiveisall

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:36 PM

SIRI


I'm not sure that I really want to respond to this thread or not. It caught my attention in a disturbing sort of way. I thought that it was one of those leader type things to garner attention. When I read through the responses, it made me sadder and sadder. While I love Firefly and the Firefly fans overall and at first found meandering through the threads stimulating, more and more it just makes me sad. It seems that we are so attracted to these horrible incidents, the very worst in our human nature, like the proverbial moth to the flame. I think perhaps it is killing us. The bombardments and hateful diatribes, no matter if it's so called right or left are disgusting and appear to bring out the worst in us. It seems to me that there are so many, many things on which we could and should be focussing our attention, our passion, our thoughts and our marvenlous, brilliant ingenuity, for the life of me, I can't figure out why we choose to wallow in this type of muck.

I probably won't wander back here for some time, not because I think I'm any better than anyone else, but because I just get too depressed when I read these kinds of threads.

Siri

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Siri:

Try not to take it too much to heart. This is where we come to blow off steam. On most of the other areas of this site, we can be quite cordial to each other, even if in here we seem like we'd like to tear each other's arms off and beat them to death with them.

And sometimes we actually make each other laugh with some of our silliness.

Mike

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:48 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Siri

stay out of Real World Events. These people are crazy and I believe that some of them may have cooties.





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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:13 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Siri, as I have been fond of sayin out in the real world to folk lately...

(Cue Jayne Voice)
"Hows about you ditch the political race, and join the human race ?"

I too have begun to find folk both on the net and in the real world a little savagely partisan for my taste as well.

-F

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:13 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Siri:
I'm not sure that I really want to respond to this thread or not. It caught my attention in a disturbing sort of way. I thought that it was one of those leader type things to garner attention. When I read through the responses, it made me sadder and sadder. While I love Firefly and the Firefly fans overall and at first found meandering through the threads stimulating, more and more it just makes me sad. It seems that we are so attracted to these horrible incidents, the very worst in our human nature, like the proverbial moth to the flame. I think perhaps it is killing us. The bombardments and hateful diatribes, no matter if it's so called right or left are disgusting and appear to bring out the worst in us. It seems to me that there are so many, many things on which we could and should be focussing our attention, our passion, our thoughts and our marvenlous, brilliant ingenuity, for the life of me, I can't figure out why we choose to wallow in this type of muck.

Believe it or not, it actually improves the board in general. It’s the scum trap principle. By leaving a space open for the scum to float into, the other forums remain cleaner.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:25 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
(Not including folk who simply want the State to commit violence on their behalf, those are National Socialists, look it up to see what I mean by that.)

If you're referring to the Nazi's they were right-wing stateist ;).
Quote:

The meaning of symbols changes over time, look at the Swastika, originally a native american symbol for good fortune, and many years later due to it's association with National Socialism, seen as a symbol of pure evil.
Actually, the Swastika used by the Nazi's stems from ancient Hinduism.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:09 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Siri:
I probably won't wander back here for some time, not because I think I'm any better than anyone else, but because I just get too depressed when I read these kinds of threads.Siri


I think you're right...you should stick with the other threads. Here, you just get people debating politics and social issues. It can get intense sometimes, but that's just because people don't agree on things, and they demonstrate their "passion" here by writing posts that communicate their beliefs.
And RWED is a very exciting place to post too. Where else can you pour your feelings and emotions out, only to have other folks insult you, mock you, call you a troll and an idiot, or compare you to a f'ing steaming pile of go se? It's a good reminder of the realities of life....lots of people, with or without class or character, honest & dis-honest, and they all think differently than you, and some despise you because of your beliefs. What better place to toughen you up to deal with the outside world? And sometimes, if you're lucky, you can learn something or educate someone.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 6:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I learned a lot here, Siri. Two years ago I wouldn't have known a Libertarian from a Libertine. I learned that some people are delusional... and they think the same of me. All in all, a pretty cool place to meet and discuss.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I know they were, Cit - thing is, although the end of the political spectrum is different, the modus operandi is almost exactly the same.

It's the exact same model of the State invading and nitpicking every single aspect of a persons life, private or public, complete with the big lie, artifical atmosphere of fear and hysteria, uber-nationalism, the whole works.

If a car runs you over, in the end does it MATTER whether it hit you from the right side or the left ?

The irony is that the original term, National Socialism, applies far better to the current crop than it did historically.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 3:14 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

The irony is that the original term, National Socialism, applies far better to the current crop than it did historically.

Well, the Nazi's called themselves socialists for the popular vote, and that's pretty much where they're link to socialism begins and ends.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Possible copycat attack, details few at this time.

Shooting at Arkansas Democratic Party office
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jm9DYuIE_x8ICCCwKAhyi3PneK_A

Apparently the shooter asked to see the party chairman and then capped three rounds at him and split.

I'd be interested to know his motivation, apparently the police ran him down, shot and wounded him, and he is in custody, so maybe we'll find out.

I am very curious, because if the motive was partisan-political, this whole discussion here becomes pretty damned relevant.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:26 AM

RIGHTEOUS9


Yeah, agreed.

was waiting to post, because who knows at this point, it could be Gwathny was sleeping with his wife or something,

but hopefully we'll find out. Sadly, I read a couple unconfirmed reports that the person who was shot is dead.

........

on edit, shooter is reported dead,

Gwatney, no word yet

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:38 AM

ERIC


Quote:

Moments before the Democratic headquarters shooting, a man with a gun had threatened an employee at that Arkansas State Baptist Convention headquarters seven blocks east, an official there said.

Dan Jordan, the Baptist group's business manager, said a man pointed a gun at another official there, and when asked what was wrong, the man said, "I lost my job." Jordan said he didn't know if it was the same suspect.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_re_us/democratic_party_shoot
ing;_ylt=AqQvJukx12jNc9KhcJWy6les0NUE


Jobs, food stamps...these rednecks are clearly pinkos all the way.

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:28 AM

ERIC


Or, it may have been personal...

Quote:

Sources say they are working to confirm tentative information that the suspect was a former employee of a Gwatney car dealership.

Gwatney, a former state senator, was an executive in a car dealership group, a business in which employment changes are not uncommon. Rumors immediately arose that the shooter might have been a disgruntled former employee of a Gwatney dealership. There were layoffs at a Gwatney dealership this week, according to employees.



http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/


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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:08 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Well, I guess we'll never know now.

Gwatley kicked it, and apparently so did the shooter, guess they can argue about it in purgatory.

What stupid a waste of two lives

-F

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