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KENNEDY HAS A BRAIN TUMOR

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:09 AM

AURAPTOR

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Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:12 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Congress
From NBC's Mark Murray

The breaking news from the AP: "Sen. Edward M. Kennedy say he has a malignant
brain tumor. Doctors for the Massachusetts Democrat say tests conducted after Kennedy suffered a seizure this weekend show a tumor in his left parietal lobe. His treatment will be decided after more tests but the usual course includes combinations of radiation and
chemotherapy."

*** UPDATE *** Here is the statement from from Dr. Lee Schwamm, vice chairman, Department of Neurology, Massachusetts General Hospital, and Dr. Larry Ronan, primary care physician, Massachusetts General Hospital: "Over the course of the last several days, we've done a series of tests on Senator Kennedy to determine the cause of his seizure. He has had no further seizures, remains in good overall condition, and is up and walking around the hospital. Some of the tests we had performed were inconclusive, particularly in light of the fact that the senator had severe narrowing of the left carotid artery and underwent surgery just 6 months ago. However, preliminary results from a biopsy of the brain identified the cause of the seizure as a malignant glioma in the left parietal lobe. The usual course of treatment includes combinations of various forms of radiation and chemotherapy. Decisions regarding the best course of treatment for Sen. Kennedy will be determined after further testing and analysis. Sen. Kennedy will remain at Massachusetts General Hospital for the next couple of days according to routine protocol. He remains in good spirits and full of energy."


* Thoughts and sympathies to the Kennedy family and hopes for a full recovery *

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:25 AM

RUE


Brain tumors are the most common cause of newly acquired seizure disorder in older adults.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:40 AM

KWICKO

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The tasteless snarky part of me wants to ask if that will affect his driving...

Too soon?

Anyway, I'm just kidding. My thoughts are with him and his family. He truly is the last of an era of ultra-liberal Democrats, and there likely won't be any more of his kind anytime soon.

Get well, Ted! Your country needs you, now more than ever!


Mike

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:55 AM

HERO


I just hope he can get the medical treatment he so desperately needs.

If the remove it I bet he wakes up a Republican. On General Hospital (the source for everything we really need to know about medicine) the brain tumer always causes a personality change. And I'd be willing to bet the next time we see him we'll all hear a little voice saying "the role of Ted Kennedy will now be played by..."

H

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:55 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
...preliminary results from a biopsy of the brain identified the cause of the seizure as a malignant glioma in the left parietal lobe.



"Damage to the left parietal lobe can result in what is called "Gerstmann's Syndrome." It includes right-left confusion, difficulty with writing (agraphia) and difficulty with mathematics (acalculia). It can also produce disorders of language (aphasia) and the inability to perceive objects normally (agnosia)."

Wonder how long this has been going on?




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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:59 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Kwicko wrote:
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 08:40
Anyway, I'm just kidding. My thoughts are with him and his family. He truly is the last of an era of ultra-liberal Democrats, and there likely won't be any more of his kind anytime soon.




Last of the utlra Liberal Democrats ? You've GOT to be kidding ! There's the Jr Senator from Mass, the haughty John F. Kerry. Then there's Barack Obama, who rates as THE most Liberal Senator out of the entire Senate. Oh yeah, and then there's Hillary Clinton.... and don't get me started on the HOUSE Libs!!!

last of an era.....too gorram funny!

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:04 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
I just hope he can get the medical treatment he so desperately needs.

If the remove it I bet he wakes up a Republican. On General Hospital (the source for everything we really need to know about medicine) the brain tumer always causes a personality change. And I'd be willing to bet the next time we see him we'll all hear a little voice saying "the role of Ted Kennedy will now be played by..."

H




LOL Hero. That's pretty good, even in light of the somber news. Another post I read mentioned that , w/ the various types of brain tumors, life expectancy can be any where from 1-5 yrs. I don't care who or how old you are, that's not news you want to hear. Hope they're catching it early and he gets the very best of care.



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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:39 AM

RUE


"Gliomas

Gliomas can be astrocytomas, ependymomas or oligodendrogliomas. The different types have very different outlooks."

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:27 AM

MAL4PREZ


It's really sad to hear. I haven't followed politics long enough or close enough to know a lot about Kennedy, but he can't be in a happy place right. I hope it's treatable.

And now I must be a horrible person and talk politics. Sorry, but Rap reminded me of some numbers that I found pretty interesting a while back...

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then there's Barack Obama, who rates as THE most Liberal Senator out of the entire Senate.

A wide variety of liberal and conservative groups score and rate senators based on their voting records. The scores are 0 to 100: 0 is pure conservative, 100 is pure liberal.

As rated by liberal groups, the average score is:
Kennedy: 87 (ranked 29th of 102 senators on the table)
Clinton: 82 (38th)
Obama: 80 (42nd)
McCain: 9 (98th)

As rated by conservative groups:
Kennedy: 93 (17th)
Clinton: 91 (24th)
Obama: 89 (32nd)
McCain: 27 (63rd)

The groups and full results are shown here:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/con_senator_ratings-2007.
html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/lib_senator_ratings-2007.
html


The interesting thing is that the liberal groups have them *all* shifted toward conservative end, while the conservative groups see them all as more liberal. (Both sides are likely to see an enemy as more evil than they are?) McCain's voting record is extremely conservative according to the liberal's scoring rules.

On the other hand, Obama is less liberal than Clinton on both scales, and not extremely liberal on either. Even the conservative groups see 31 senators as more liberal than Obama - he's solidly in the middle of the Democratic pack.

Note also that Kennedy is not the most extreme liberal. That honor belongs to Christopher Dodd who scored 97 from the conservatives. The liberals had a 4 way tie: Ben Cardin, Russ Feingold, Bob Menendez, and Jack Reed all scored 96

OK. Back to real point of the thread. Sad news. :(


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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:07 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:



Last of the utlra Liberal Democrats ? You've GOT to be kidding... Then there's Barack Obama, who rates as THE most Liberal Senator out of the entire Senate.



Golly, gee. Rappy regurgitated a BS rightie talking point without bothering to check the facts.

Will wonders never cease....


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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

"Damage to the left parietal lobe can result in what is called "Gerstmann's Syndrome." It includes right-left confusion, difficulty with writing (agraphia) and difficulty with mathematics (acalculia). It can also produce disorders of language (aphasia) and the inability to perceive objects normally (agnosia)."



Hmmmm... Looking at that list of symptoms, I'm more worried about our President than I am about Ted Kennedy.

Let's see... Right-left confusion, check (right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, as evidenced by his own demonstration of same)... difficulty with writing... Well, I'm not sure he actually even knows how to write, but he sure as hell has difficulty READING and comprehending... Difficulty with math, check (16 trillion dollar debt is NOT a healthy and balanced economy)... difficulty with language, check (as witnessed by Bush's ongoing war with... words)... Inability to perceive objects normally... Well, is Iraq considered an "object", or simply an "objective"?

Yup, looks like li'l Bushie has a tumor of his own!




Mike

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
I just hope he can get the medical treatment he so desperately needs.

If the remove it I bet he wakes up a Republican. On General Hospital (the source for everything we really need to know about medicine) the brain tumer always causes a personality change. And I'd be willing to bet the next time we see him we'll all hear a little voice saying "the role of Ted Kennedy will now be played by..."

H



Trust me, he'll get better medical treatment than you or I could hope for...

As for waking up a Republican, the only way that happens is if they perform a "republicanectomy" on him, and remove his ethics, morals, and sense of humor while they're taking out the tumor.




Mike

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:57 PM

VETERAN

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They were talking about him on The News Hour tonight. The said he's one of the few poeple left in the Senate that has friends on both sides of the aisle.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:03 PM

SIGNYM

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Well, the dx is not a good one. I'm sure Bushies are secretly doing the happy dance.

THANKS for the rankings of who's the "most liberal". I was surprised to find anyone even close to Russ Feingold. Gonna get out my checkbook next time they run.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:09 PM

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Anyone wanna bet that after being called on the "most liberal" thing, Rappy doesn't show in this thread again?

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:29 PM

RUE


I don't know - sometimes even after you prove him wrong he comes back and says the same wrong thing all over again - like your post never happened ...

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:13 PM

RUE


Anyway -

I'm sorry to find out about Kennedy's illness.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Last of the utlra Liberal Democrats ? You've GOT to be kidding !


last of an era.....too gorram funny!



Apparently I don't GOT to be... :)

Mal4Prez: Thanks for the handy-dandy figures. Those'll come in handy when it's time to start writing out campaign checks!





Mike

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:30 PM

ELNQSDFL


Too bad about Kennedy. I have no love for the guy, but brain cancer isn't any way for anyone to go out.

As for Obama being most liberal ... "National Journal" did actually select him as the most liberal Senator in 2007. That's the story that the other poster was likely referring to. However, NJ's selection methodology is suspect. On the other other hand, according to the same folks at National Journal, the Junior Senator from Illinois had been trending more & more liberal since coming to the Senate in 2005. You can check out their info here:

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

I'd also like to point out that in 2005 Senator Obama was actually voted most liberal by the same liberal groups that "mal4prez" quoted. Here's that info:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/senator_ratings-2005.html

I don't see info for 2006, though. Anyhow, it seems that the lib groups have him moving towards the center. Preparing for his Presidential run? hhmmmmm...and after such a short time in the Senate.

It's really hard to tell exactly how liberal he is though, since he's only been in the Senate for 3 years. That's not much of a record. He has missed a tremendous number of votes, too - as a result of his campaigning.

Well, enough of that...here's to hoping Kennedy comes out of it. One to five years, eh? hmmm...

Let's be Bad Guys.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:57 PM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
I just hope he can get the medical treatment he so desperately needs.

If the remove it I bet he wakes up a Republican.

H



So you are saying that people with brain damage vote Republican? Are you sure you're not Rue?


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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:30 PM

ELNQSDFL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:

So you are saying that people with brain damage vote Republican? Are you sure you're not Rue?




No, he's saying that Dems have "Dain Bramage" and that they need serious treatment in order to see the light and correct the error of their ways, lol.

I'd rather go hunting with VP Cheney than go for a ride with Sen. Kennedy. HAHAH! Saw that somewhere today, had to repeat it...c'mon, it's funny ... you know you all laughed a lil' bit. At least if Cheney decides to shoot you in the face it'll be a quick death ... drowning, on the other hand, is ... well, where does that get fun? LOL!

Let's be Bad Guys.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:40 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:



Last of the utlra Liberal Democrats ? You've GOT to be kidding... Then there's Barack Obama, who rates as THE most Liberal Senator out of the entire Senate.



Golly, gee. Rappy regurgitated a BS rightie talking point without bothering to check the facts.

Will wonders never cease....
."



Well, since Barack is so new to the Senate, you can gauge him on his views, or on what he's ACTUALLY voted on. If you go by the latter, there's far less to go by, so there's your discrepancy. Point being, there are still plenty of far Left politicians in D.C., and Kennedy is far from " the last of an era of Ultra Left " wingers.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:42 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
I just hope he can get the medical treatment he so desperately needs.

If the remove it I bet he wakes up a Republican. On General Hospital (the source for everything we really need to know about medicine) the brain tumer always causes a personality change. And I'd be willing to bet the next time we see him we'll all hear a little voice saying "the role of Ted Kennedy will now be played by..."

H



Trust me, he'll get better medical treatment than you or I could hope for...

As for waking up a Republican, the only way that happens is if they perform a "republicanectomy" on him, and remove his ethics, morals, and sense of humor while they're taking out the tumor.




Mike



As an appendectomy removes the appendix , an 'republicanectomy' would be removal of that which is or constitutes the republican in him. If that was done, then truly you'd be taking out his ethics, morals, sense of humor and love of country. I doubt Kennedy has been bothered by any of that for quite some time.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hmmmm... Looking at that list of symptoms, I'm more worried about our President than I am about Ted Kennedy.

Let's see... Right-left confusion, check (right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, as evidenced by his own demonstration of same)... difficulty with writing... Well, I'm not sure he actually even knows how to write, but he sure as hell has difficulty READING and comprehending... Difficulty with math, check (16 trillion dollar debt is NOT a healthy and balanced economy)... difficulty with language, check (as witnessed by Bush's ongoing war with... words)... Inability to perceive objects normally... Well, is Iraq considered an "object", or simply an "objective"?

Yup, looks like li'l Bushie has a tumor of his own!



What are you poor reople going to do after January when you don't have Bush to hate on any more?



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:57 AM

FREMDFIRMA


(Obligatory Snark)
Gee, that explains a lot...

Seriously though, that sucks - I ain't no fan of the guy by any means, but I pay my debts, and Teddy has actually helped us push through some useful (as opposed to knee-jerk feelgood useless) child protective leglisation in spite of the fact that he was somewhat of a freaky boy himself in his youth.

Not to mention a brain tumor is a pretty damned awful way to go, watching Lyle Alzedo quickly deteriorate before he capped it was a definate solidifying factor in my position on death with dignity.

I'd not lay an ounce of blame if he chose that route, but I sure hope he's got another six months in him, if for no other reason than as a roadblock to the lunatics at the helm right now.

Give em the brick wall, Ted, sit down, shut up and let them wonder how much of your mind is still functional, instead of babbling like our idiot in chief revealing how little the coke and booze has left of his every day.

-Frem

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

What are you poor reople going to do after January when you don't have Bush to hate on any more?



Well, I assume AwwCrapper and "Hero" will still be around...

And when we don't have Bush to "hate on" any more (is that like not having Dick Nixon to kick around any more?), I'm sure some new right-wing jackass will step up to take his place.

Mike

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:01 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

As an appendectomy removes the appendix , an 'republicanectomy' would be removal of that which is or constitutes the republican in him. If that was done, then truly you'd be taking out his ethics, morals, sense of humor and love of country. I doubt Kennedy has been bothered by any of that for quite some time.



Take out the morals, ethics, sense of humor, and "love of country", and what you have left is a Republican.

And come on, seriously? You think only Republicans love their country? Is that why they're so dead-set on destroying it, brick by Constitutional brick? Next you'll be telling us that spying on and informing on your fellow Americans is the only way to be truly patriotic.

In 'Crapter's world, if you love something, turn it in. If it survives the torture, it's innocent; if it doesn't, it didn't love its country anyway...



Mike

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:05 AM

VILAVON


You forgot the most important phase of said procedure. Namely, the implantation of testicles.







Vilavon AKA Claude

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:50 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Vilavon:
You forgot the most important phase of said procedure. Namely, the implantation of testicles.

In the rectal Sphincteral orifice.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:56 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by Vilavon:
You forgot the most important phase of said procedure. Namely, the implantation of testicles.

In the rectal Sphincteral orifice.



LMAO!!!!!

Damn, where's the emoty guy rolling on the floor laughing? I can never find him when I need him!

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:27 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Well, on that, one could ask Ted Haggard, Mike Foley or Barney Frank, I suspect quite a few congresscritters and religiosity folk know all ABOUT that procedure, given how often they try to perform it.


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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, on that, one could ask Ted Haggard, Mike Foley or Barney Frank, I suspect quite a few congresscritters and religiosity folk know all ABOUT that procedure, given how often they try to perform it.


-F



Yup, and how exactly DOES one get a name like "Oral Roberts", anyway?

Mike

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I'd rather go hunting with VP Cheney than go for a ride with Sen. Kennedy.


Yeah, and I'd rather have my daughters intern for Clinton than hunt with Cheney. At least when Clinton shoots them in the face, they don't have to go to the hospital!



Mike

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Well, since Barack is so new to the Senate, you can gauge him on his views, or on what he's ACTUALLY voted on. If you go by the latter, there's far less to go by, so there's your discrepancy. Point being, there are still plenty of far Left politicians in D.C., and Kennedy is far from " the last of an era of Ultra Left " wingers.



Oooooh, I wanna play! Let's see what happens when you apply that same logic to Bush... Okay, he's "new" to the Presidency, so if you gauge him on his views or the things he's ACTUALLY done, you get a very different picture. Let's see... spying on American citizens, listening in on their calls without cause or warrant, suspension of Habeus Corpus, wiping his ass with the Constitution, torturing of suspects, military tribunals instead of real court trials, protecting big corporations and military contractors from U.S. law, handing out no-bid contracts to his friends and family, dismantling any privacy rights, doing away with separation of church and state, questioning the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest... Yup, if you gauge him on his actions and accomplishments... HE'S A FASCIST!

Wow, that's fun. I like this game. Can't hardly wait to play with McCain and his record...


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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:42 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Vilavon:
You forgot the most important phase of said procedure. Namely, the implantation of testicles.







Vilavon AKA Claude



In the case of Republicans, aren't those usually taken orally? Seems Larry Craig said something to that effect...



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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:31 AM

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Yeah, and I'd rather have my daughters intern for Clinton than hunt with Cheney. At least when Clinton shoots them in the face, they don't have to go to the hospital!


KWICKO, you fill the "Cock-Sucking Halfwit" position better than you daughters ever could.

Tell that gash of a daughter that I want my boots back, will ya? I left 'em under her bed.

bah-dumm-bump ... I'll be here all week.



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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:40 AM

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What's the matter Mal4? No more comments along the "Obama is the most liberal Senator" line? I find it interesting that when I use your own references against the rest of you folks, that aspect of this thread ends ... hmmmm ...



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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:03 AM

CITIZEN


The Poster formerly known as HavocMan...



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by ELNQSDFL:
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Yeah, and I'd rather have my daughters intern for Clinton than hunt with Cheney. At least when Clinton shoots them in the face, they don't have to go to the hospital!


KWICKO, you fill the "Cock-Sucking Halfwit" position better than you daughters ever could.

Tell that gash of a daughter that I want my boots back, will ya? I left 'em under her bed.

bah-dumm-bump ... I'll be here all week.



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Actually, I'm surprised you even know how to spell halfwit... You get a D-minus anyway - you misspelled "your", you fucking imbecillic piece of afterbirth. As for me "cock-sucking"... only in your dreams, Nellie. I know you right-wingers can only get it up when a guy's sucking it, but my gate doesn't swing that way.

And why are you looking for your boots? Is your welfare check under them? Or did you finally land that dream ditch-digging job you were interviewing for?

Now go back to licking your mom's asshole 'til it bleeds, leech.


Mike

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:17 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by ELNQSDFL:
What's the matter Mal4? No more comments along the "Obama is the most liberal Senator" line? I find it interesting that when I use your own references against the rest of you folks, that aspect of this thread ends ... hmmmm ...

Well, your strong logical argument and solid evidence shook me so hard that I've spent the past 24 hours rolled up in tiny ball in my basement, shivering in terror and lashing myself with a horsewhip while chanting: "George Bush is my daddy and Obama is the DEVIL!"

Um... actually, after making my post yesterday I've been quite busy. 5 hours of rehearsal, sleep, a job, and some much more interesting email chat with friends who are friendly. Call me crazy, I have other priorities.

Anyway....

Surely, the most complete way to rate a senator is to look at his or her full voting record. I didn't know that information was on that site, or I would have included it. And you could have made yourself useful by showing the information here, including 2006, which I still can't find (haven't tried hard - busy), so we could all learn something other than that ELNQSDFL is snarky. But please, go on and focus on self-righteous tongue wagging if it tickles your tickleplace. I would by no means suspend any pleasure of yours. (Two Austen quotes in one day - score!)

OK, the 2005 numbers are definitely interesting. Obama was clearly more liberal then, and he's come more center as elections near. But I'm not going to judge him based solely on that. (Or based solely on my intimate personal knowledge of him, something Rap seems to have.) I'd have to see his entire voting record.

My point in my earlier post is, however, unchanged. Obama is not the most liberal person in the senate. Average out 2005 and 2007, you get him at maybe 16th. And perhaps the reason he's not so liberal in 2007 is his run for office - doesn't change the fact that he voted as he voted, and he does not have the most liberal voting record.

But here's a more interesting thing to ponder: ELNQSDFL is chatting quite comfortably and agressively for someone who signed up for this site just last night. So... a newbie not into making friends? Or did one of our lovely type As gave himself a new ID to attack from?

Just pondering, cause it tickles my own tickleplace.

Edit: Citizen, you think Havocman? OK, I can see that. I was guessing Rap, since he's been taking so much heat lately. Well deserved heat, but still...

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:22 AM

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awwww ... look everyone, they're trying to respond ... isn't it cute when they try that?

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:48 AM

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UUHHhhmmm - being talked about is not the same as being talked to. You see, here I am talking to you. If I were to then address a part of my post to someone else discussing who is behind the stinky sock you are using as a disguise then I would be talking about you. And talking about you is not a response.

Just so you understand.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by ELNQSDFL:
awwww ... look everyone, they're trying to respond ... isn't it cute when they try that?

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Awww... That IS cute, but is that the best you could do? You're even more of a mental midget than I figured you for - and that's saying something!

Adios, leech.



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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I was guessing Rap, since he's been taking so much heat lately.


Quick test to see if it's 'Crapter:

What's the plural form of the word "terrorist"?




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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:21 AM

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It's not AURaptor, Rap is eloquent, insightful, poised and funny ..... err by comparison.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:46 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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As an appendectomy removes the appendix , an 'republicanectomy' would be removal of that which is or constitutes the republican in him. If that was done, then truly you'd be taking out his ethics, morals, sense of humor and love of country. I doubt Kennedy has been bothered by any of that for quite some time.



Take out the morals, ethics, sense of humor, and "love of country", and what you have left is a Republican.

And come on, seriously? You think only Republicans love their country? Is that why they're so dead-set on destroying it, brick by Constitutional brick? Next you'll be telling us that spying on and informing on your fellow Americans is the only way to be truly patriotic.

In 'Crapter's world, if you love something, turn it in. If it survives the torture, it's innocent; if it doesn't, it didn't love its country anyway...



Mike



Yeah, I saw this comin, especially from the likes of you, DICKo.

Here's how it is. Teddy was all a bluster on how bad Iraq was when Clinton was in office. Hell, even in the fall before the Iraq war - "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002 , we see his stated position per Iraq. Then, after the war started, Ted changes his tune, calling the Iraq war " a fraud . . . cooked up in Texas. " Why ? Politics. That's why. ( And yes, i know Ted didn't vote for military action,but his buddy Kerry did ) Still, Ted Kennedy saw that there were no Indiana Jones type ware houses full of WMD, so , in order to save face, and to play his cards right w/ voters, he falsely claims the intel they got was incomplete, or 'cherry picked', when that's absolutely NOT the case, and Teddy KNOWS its not the case. Ted and many of his cohorts on the Left change their positon on Iraq for purely politics sake, and to take a stand to be against anything that President Bush is for.

And when anyone, be they Senator or citizen, goes w/ Party over Country, that , in my eyes, is proof enough that you have more love for your party than you do for country.



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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:46 AM

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Wow - "citithen" is smart, hahaha ... mind like a steel trap, eh? Maybe you should get a job helping Senator Obama with his "57 state" election campaign, Mr. Wizard.

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
UUHHhhmmm - being talked about is not the same as being talked to. You see, here I am talking to you. If I were to then address a part of my post to someone else discussing who is behind the stinky sock you are using as a disguise then I would be talking about you. And talking about you is not a response.

Just so you understand.



What disguise? The avatar is the same. As is the sig line. If I was trying to hide my identity, I'd change that stuff, no? Sheesh. You're clearly a thinking man - use your head a lil'.

Something happened to my HAVOCMAN account - wouldn't accept my login info for some reason. When I prompted the system to send my password to my email account, I got a message stating that I was not a member here at FF.net. I then tried to contact the admins here - no luck there, either. So, I re-registered.

KWICKO - hmmmmm, looks like someone can dish it out, but gets really bent when it gets thrown back. Yeahhh...I missed typing a letter. I'm no typist - big hands & fingers. Your daughter dig's em though. By the way, I'm not looking for my boots - I know exactly where they are. They are under you're daughter's bed, man. I left them there while spreading my evil seed, lol. I believe I stated that I left them there in my earlier post. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Too bad, that. As for the Mom-licking ... I think I'll stick with your Mom's balloon knot - she really digs it when I...well, nevermind.

Mal4 - I know how you feel about spending time elsewhere on the 'net. Hey - ya know what? You folks should all swing by "LIGHTFIGHTER.net", "PREFESSIONALSOLDIERS.com" or "SOCNET.com" - we'd love to have you all.

Mal4, I actually agree with you about Senator Obama. The guy is well spoken and intelligent, but we really don't have much to go on. He certainly IS NOT the most liberal Senator. I too am wondering where the info for 2006 is.

Fire away - I can take it. After all folks, it's the internet, not the octagon...and I've got Kevlar.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:11 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by ELNQSDFL:
Wow - "citithen" is smart, hahaha ... mind like a steel trap, eh? Maybe you should get a job helping Senator Obama with his "57 state" election campaign, Mr. Wizard.

I'm busy with other projects at the moment.

No Mr President, the crayoning goes inside the lines...

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:13 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And when anyone, be they Senator or citizen, goes w/ Party over Country, that , in my eyes, is proof enough that you have more love for your party than you do for country.

What about 'rich friends'?



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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:16 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And when anyone, be they Senator or citizen, goes w/ Party over Country, that , in my eyes, is proof enough that you have more love for your party than you do for country.

What about 'rich friends'?




Like George Soros ?

j/k Seriously, you lost me on this one. Care to elaborate ?

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