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Why George Bush is a great man & a very good President

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Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:32 PM

CHRISISALL


List it my peeps; I need some good fantasy...

isall


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Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:36 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:39 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:



Mmmm, 'cause he bangs his head against a wall...?

Not getting it Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:43 PM

ALLIETHORN7


Cuz he responded in a timely manner to the 9/11 attacks... oh, wait, he got hung up! But, hey, who can blame him? I mean, "My Pet Goat" is such an attention grabber!

-Danny

Late night, Brakes lock,
Hear the tires squeal,
Red light, can't stop, so I spin the wheel,
My world goes Black before I
Feel an Angel lift me up,
And I open Bloodshot eyes,
Into fluorescent White,
Flip the Siren, Hit the Lights,
Close the doors and I am Gone

The Band of the week is... Thrice

Gott weiß ich will kein Engel sein.
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Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:49 PM

KIRKULES


It's just a matter of time, eventually most will say with the clarity of hindsight that Bush was a good President.


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Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:05 PM

STORYMARK


No.... no they won't.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:40 PM

PIRATECAT


Bush did a good job for me. If he killed more terrorists I would rated him higher. Start with the finsbury park crowd since the english don't have the guts anymore. 4 years from now we need another BUSH.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
Cuz he responded in a timely manner to the 9/11 attacks... oh, wait, he got hung up! But, hey, who can blame him? I mean, "My Pet Goat" is such an attention grabber!

-Danny




Yeah, because there's a whole hell of a lot he could have done, down in Florida, to stop those planes ( up in Boston, NYC , etc... .) from being hijacked and crashing into the WTC, Pentagon, or a field in Pennsylvania.

You're right, he should have IMMEDIATELY raised his voice, shook his fist in anger and stormed out of the classroom. THAT would have shown those mean terrorist who's boss!



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:03 PM

KONSTANTINDK


Well... I think he was not very good presidemt, but he was not bad president. He just happened to be president in bad times... He didn't have a lot of experience, compared to other candidates. But he didn't bring a major disaster. Irak,economy were not his fault. IT would have happen with any other president.

On the funny side, he can be so funny, although.

"Thank you, your Holiness. Awesome speech." --George W. Bush, to Pope Benedict, Washington, D.C., April 15, 2008

"Soldiers, sailors, Marines, airmen, and Coastmen -- Coast Guardmen, thanks for coming, thanks for wearing the uniform."

"Soldiers, sailors, Marines, airmen, and Coastmen -- Coast Guardmen, thanks for coming, thanks for wearing the uniform." --George W. Bush, at the Pentagon, March 19, 2008

"Let me start off by saying that in 2000 I said, 'Vote for me. I'm an agent of change.' In 2004, I said, 'I'm not interested in change --I want to continue as president.' Every candidate has got to say 'change.' That's what the American people expect." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 5, 2008

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

"They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."- George W. Bush

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."- George W. Bush

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."- George W. Bush

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
- George W. Bush


"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."- George W. Bush

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."- George W. Bush

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe We are a part of Europe."- George W. Bush


"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." - George W. Bush

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."- George W. Bush

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."- George W. Bush

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."- George W. Bush

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."- George W. Bush



And my personal favorite:
"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
- George W. Bush

(Too late George, we are already there.)

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Monday, May 12, 2008 2:56 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Can't. Breathe.

Kons, oh my God, thank you. THANK YOU.

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

There you go Chris. Bush made millions of Americans laugh during his presidency. Why would he do that if he weren't a good man and a good president?

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Monday, May 12, 2008 3:20 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Anyone Liberals hate so much can't be all that bad.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 6:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Anyone Liberals hate so much can't be all that bad.
Since when did you turn into a full-fledged knuckle-dragger? I guess the issues are too complicated for you, so you resort of "us versus them"- again. Seems to be a common failing among authoritarian-types.

A day will come when you, Rap, and Hero will pull your heads out of your butts, see the sun and breathe the fresh air of sweet reason. Not today tho.

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Monday, May 12, 2008 7:57 AM

FOSTER


I don't think I would classify Bush as a Good President but I would also not say that he was the worst by a long shot. I would say he is mediocre.

But I digress you wanted something good about him.

Bush came out in favor of private retirement accounts. According to the latest Zogby poll, by Cato, 68% of the public support the idea.

(public support in and of itself is not a measure of goodness though. Just saying it is popular.)

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Monday, May 12, 2008 8:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


What do I admire about Dubya?

Well... to be fair, I admire his ability to tell his left from his right -often in as little as two tries!




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Monday, May 12, 2008 9:12 AM

ALLIETHORN7


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
Cuz he responded in a timely manner to the 9/11 attacks... oh, wait, he got hung up! But, hey, who can blame him? I mean, "My Pet Goat" is such an attention grabber!

-Danny




Yeah, because there's a whole hell of a lot he could have done, down in Florida, to stop those planes ( up in Boston, NYC , etc... .) from being hijacked and crashing into the WTC, Pentagon, or a field in Pennsylvania.

You're right, he should have IMMEDIATELY raised his voice, shook his fist in anger and stormed out of the classroom. THAT would have shown those mean terrorist who's boss!


And the reason he couldn't have immediately gone out of the classroom to ATTEMPT to do something constructive was...?

-Danny

Late night, Brakes lock,
Hear the tires squeal,
Red light, can't stop, so I spin the wheel,
My world goes Black before I
Feel an Angel lift me up,
And I open Bloodshot eyes,
Into fluorescent White,
Flip the Siren, Hit the Lights,
Close the doors and I am Gone

The Band of the week is... Thrice

Gott weiß ich will kein Engel sein.
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Monday, May 12, 2008 9:32 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
And the reason he couldn't have immediately gone out of the classroom to ATTEMPT to do something constructive was...?


Because he is not a trained search and rescue specialist?

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Monday, May 12, 2008 9:45 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
And the reason he couldn't have immediately gone out of the classroom to ATTEMPT to do something constructive was...?

because it's all mashed potatoes from the forehead on back...

The good thing about W's presidency? He got a whole lotta people interested in politics and the government. Folks like me needed to see what can happen when the system is taken over by greedy, power-hungry authoritarian types.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Monday, May 12, 2008 9:47 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
And the reason he couldn't have immediately gone out of the classroom to ATTEMPT to do something constructive was...?


Because he is not a trained search and rescue specialist?



And that ranks as one of the dumbest responses/rationalizations ever.

Sure, he wasn't a search and rescue specialist - he's just the (so-called) leader of this nation, and Commander in Cheif of our forces. Why should he be expected to actually get off his ass when we're attacked?


"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 12, 2008 9:54 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Anyone Liberals hate so much can't be all that bad.


Pssst, Finn, a lot of real Conservatives don't like him all that much either...

isall

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Monday, May 12, 2008 9:59 AM

STORYMARK


Anyone slimy neo-cons defend so fervently can't be any good.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:00 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Foster:

But I digress you wanted something good about him.

Bush came out in favor of private retirement accounts. According to the latest Zogby poll, by Cato, 68% of the public support the idea.


I like that he had an audience with the Dali Lama & pissed off the Chinese government...

Can't think of too much more off the top of my head though.

Brain hurts Chrisisall

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:18 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Anyone Liberals hate so much can't be all that bad.
Since when did you turn into a full-fledged knuckle-dragger? I guess the issues are too complicated for you, so you resort of "us versus them"- again. Seems to be a common failing among authoritarian-types.

A day will come when you, Rap, and Hero will pull your heads out of your butts, see the sun and breathe the fresh air of sweet reason. Not today tho.

Bush is looking better and better.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:20 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Anyone Liberals hate so much can't be all that bad.


Pssst, Finn, a lot of real Conservatives don't like him all that much either...

Yet, most Conservatives would agree with me that one of Bush's best qualities is how much Liberals hate him. Anyone Liberals hate that much, can't be all bad.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:23 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yet, most Conservatives would agree with me that one of Bush's best qualities is how much Liberals hate him. Anyone Liberals hate that much, can't be all bad.

I believe your average liberal isn't all that fond of Hitler.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:24 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yet, most Conservatives would agree with me that one of Bush's best qualities is how much Liberals hate him.

Silly silly British man.

Chrisisall

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:25 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
And the reason he couldn't have immediately gone out of the classroom to ATTEMPT to do something constructive was...?


Because he is not a trained search and rescue specialist?



And that ranks as one of the dumbest responses/rationalizations ever.

Right, because amidst a national crisis what you want is the POTUS roaming around the disaster site or running off half cocked.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:28 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yet, most Conservatives would agree with me that one of Bush's best qualities is how much Liberals hate him.

Silly silly British man.

Don't bring the silly British into this.
Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
I believe your average liberal isn't all that fond of Hitler.

Too late.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:32 AM

CITIZEN


Well they're not, even if others are ...



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Right, because amidst a national crisis what you want is the POTUS ....running off half cocked.


Clinton never did that.

Ask Monicaisall

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:57 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Right, because amidst a national crisis what you want is the POTUS ....running off half cocked.


Clinton never did that.

That’s true. Clinton never dealt a national crisis.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 11:04 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s true. Clinton never dealt a national crisis.


Yeah, he never dealt us a crisis...like Bush did.

Bad Bushisall

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Monday, May 12, 2008 11:41 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
And the reason he couldn't have immediately gone out of the classroom to ATTEMPT to do something constructive was...?


Because he is not a trained search and rescue specialist?



And that ranks as one of the dumbest responses/rationalizations ever.

Sure, he wasn't a search and rescue specialist - he's just the (so-called) leader of this nation, and Commander in Cheif of our forces. Why should he be expected to actually get off his ass when we're attacked?


And you reckon Bush is useless so perhaps staying out of the way and letting the people in charge get the job done was a good thing.

Have you ever had a boss that liked to micro-manage? Even with the best intentions, these people can do more harm than good by interfering where they are not needed.

Say Bush, after hearing about the attacks, politely excused himself from the classroom. What do you propose he could have done differently to alter the aftermath of the attacks? Would emergency services have arrived sooner? Would more people have been evacuated out of the twin towers to safety? Would we have known the attackers identities sooner? Would that have made any difference?

Please don't say that the attacks would have never happened in the first place if Bush was doing his job. That is not the point. You dislike Bush because of his actions on 9/11 and that is what is presently being discussed.

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Monday, May 12, 2008 12:06 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Right, because amidst a national crisis what you want is the POTUS roaming around the disaster site or running off half cocked.



Again with the rationalizations.... How sad.

Because, of course, all the best leaders stand there dumbfounded in a moment of crisis.

Do you really think there is no middle ground between doing nothing, and running off "half cocked"?

You may be a rightie wingnut douchbag, but you're not usually that fucking stupid, Finn.


"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 12, 2008 12:09 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You may be a rightie wingnut douchbag, but you're not usually that fucking stupid, Finn.

You usually are.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 12:11 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Say Bush, after hearing about the attacks, politely excused himself from the classroom. What do you propose he could have done differently to alter the aftermath of the attacks? Would emergency services have arrived sooner? Would more people have been evacuated out of the twin towers to safety? Would we have known the attackers identities sooner? Would that have made any difference?




Well, I don't believe he got the full breifing on the whole situation right there in the classroom, so I'd say step one would be get off his ass and make sure he was aware of all available information.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 12, 2008 12:12 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You may be a rightie wingnut douchbag, but you're not usually that fucking stupid, Finn.

You usually are.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero



From a lock-stepping, "do as you're told" fucktard like yourself, I take that as a compliment.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 12, 2008 12:19 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Well, I don't believe he got the full breifing on the whole situation right there in the classroom, so I'd say step one would be get off his ass and make sure he was aware of all available information.


So you do not have a problem with what Bush did, you have a problem with when Bush did it. If Bush had immediately run from the classroom and hid in his limo for half an hour, then you would be okay with his actions? There would be no tape of Bush in the classroom then. And when it comes down to it, we are speaking of optics here, nothing more.

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Monday, May 12, 2008 12:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Bush is looking better and better.
Eh, I decided to post in-kind. Pretty much like Rap and Jongsstraw and sometimes even you. Funny how it looks horrible when it's coming from someone who's not "your own kind" huh?

Anyway, I decided not to continue in this vein because you know what they say about wrestling pigs in the mud.... So I'm gonna go back to my sweet reasonable self and let YOU spew the bile and crap!



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Let's party like it's 1929.

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Monday, May 12, 2008 1:00 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
So I'm gonna go back to my sweet reasonable self and let YOU spew the bile and crap!

’kay.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM

ALLIETHORN7


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You may be a rightie wingnut douchbag, but you're not usually that fucking stupid, Finn.

You usually are.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero



From a lock-stepping, "do as you're told" fucktard like yourself, I take that as a compliment.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



Children, play nice.

-Danny

Late night, Brakes lock,
Hear the tires squeal,
Red light, can't stop, so I spin the wheel,
My world goes Black before I
Feel an Angel lift me up,
And I open Bloodshot eyes,
Into fluorescent White,
Flip the Siren, Hit the Lights,
Close the doors and I am Gone

The Band of the week is... Thrice

Gott weiß ich will kein Engel sein.
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Monday, May 12, 2008 5:18 PM

BLUEREDGREEN


Bush is a dumbass and a terrible president.

Wuo duh ma...

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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:24 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Do you really think there is no middle ground between doing nothing, and running off "half cocked?"

Um...isn't that the choices they offer when people question the Iraq War? You either commit the stupidest foreign policy blunder in American history or you do nothing?

So, no, I don't think they see a middle ground.

Sad thing is, it took a couple years of planning before Bush could go off half-cocked. Guess he wanted to do it right!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Monday, May 12, 2008 11:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Blueredgreen:
Bush is a dumbass and a terrible president.

Wuo duh ma...



Say what you will, he's still smarter than Gore or Kerry.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:52 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Unfortunately that ain't sayin much.

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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Bush will go down in history as a bad President. He hit his high note right after Sept 11, 2001. That day, the whole country ( except for leftist America-haters) was left wondering what was happening and was more to come. Bush went on TV and spoke to the nation with a calm assurance. He correctly identified the attackers as Islamic terrorists, and said he would fight a new kind of war against them.

From that moment on, he made one blunder after the next...beginning with waiting 30 days to go into Afghanistan....by sending only a skeleton military force into Afghanistan, and by dealing with warlords and opium dealers to fight the Taliban and Al Qaida. Bad as that mess was, he then announced "shock & awe" for Bagdhad, a ridiculous & embarrassing over-statement of plans for invasion. As much as I hated the terrorists for 911,going into Iraq was a huge mistake. He took his eye off the ball, and in Iraq it has been one blunder after another...going back to the un-fetterred looting by the civilians, the Paul Bremer "era" of incompetence & daily mass death, and the Rumsfeld strategy of allowing our too few troops to get fucking blown up every day with roadside bombs. They failed to get Al Sadr in Fallujah, and they failed miserably to secure the country. Add to Bush's woes his utter lack of strength when it came to leadership in dealing with OPEC, and his abysmal record of international cooperation....then Katrina, then waterboarding, then failing to go to FISA Court for surveylliance, failing to go after national security leakers at the CIA and NSA.

An important element in evaluating a President's legacy is how they left the nation when their term was up. Bush is handing off America to the next Presidnet in very dire straits...maybe the worst handoff I've ever seen in 50+ years.............
$ 4.00 gas...maybe soon $ 8 gas
Endless death in Iraq??...for what again?
Out of control Mexican border
American sanctuary cities defying Immigration law with impunity
US Dollar terribly weak
Economy near recession
Out of control food and energy prices
Home mortgage debacle

To his credit, and that's very limited, he did cut my income taxes slightly, and I have received a total of $ 1500 in tax rebate/incentive checks in 8 years.

But he is leaving a big fat mess for the country. He should hang his head in deep shame when he welcomes the next President to Washington.


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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:29 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um...isn't that the choices they offer when people question the Iraq War? You either commit the stupidest foreign policy blunder in American history or you do nothing?

So, no, I don't think they see a middle ground.

Bush is a terrorist and the US is a fascist state. This is the so-called “Middle Ground.”



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Bush is a terrorist and the US is a fascist state
Wow! Could it be.....?

Oh, it was ironic.

Yes, imho Bush IS a terrorist. That's what we call someone who kills and tortures civilians achieve a politcal end, isn't it? Does it make any difference if it's done with missiles or with explosive vests? If you listen to some of our vets, they describe a situation that's mayhem and madness... anyone and anything a target.

It seems to me we need to recover our honor and backbone, and stop our craven quest for oil and what we perceive as the "safety" of killing everyone who hates us even though they're 10,000 miles away. We HAVE to walk our talk. We've got to stop "promising peace but delivering death". It goes deeper than w/drawing our troops from the "every conceivable place in the world" we have them stationed, or raising the minimum wage, or even instituting universal health care.

We have to stop running in fear. We run run run. We run from the capitalist, from the terrorist, from crime, from our neighbor, from the future and we bury ourselves in "American Idol" and mounds of "stuff" that we don't even need because we're told endlessly that we can "live on the edge", or "find freedom" if we only buy this that and the other.

I have hope that we will recover. Not all Presidents are bad, nor all politicians. Some actually DO think about what's good for the USA. Not Bush, tho.




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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:53 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM


The Presidency In The Year 2007

With multiple resignations and the loss of the Republican majority in Congress, many of President Bush's accomplishments failed to make the news. Here are some of the high points of this year in the Bush administration:

Feb. 10—Left a crowd outside a batting cage in Baltimore feeling proud to be Americans

March 5—Received his 30-day chip from Alcoholics Anonymous

April 8—Hid Easter eggs so effectively that no child could find them

April 15—Donated $3 to the Presidential Election Campaign Fund by ticking box on tax return

June 16—Finally finished fixing up that old '67 Chevy that had been on blocks on the White House front lawn

Aug. 14—Said "Ahmadinejad" correctly without looking at palm

Sept. 14—Bagged lunch, which helped knock $65 off of $9 trillion debt

Oct. 1—Worked so hard all day, didn't realize it was 5:15 p.m.


thanks to the onion for that reminder

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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:19 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Bush is a terrorist and the US is a fascist state. This is the so-called “Middle Ground.”


See Finn, you and I and most other Americans are green, have webbed fingers & toes, and are sitting in a country-sized circular metal skillet, and they are turning up the heat oh-so-slowly....

isall

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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:37 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Well, I don't believe he got the full breifing on the whole situation right there in the classroom, so I'd say step one would be get off his ass and make sure he was aware of all available information.


So you do not have a problem with what Bush did, you have a problem with when Bush did it. If Bush had immediately run from the classroom and hid in his limo for half an hour, then you would be okay with his actions? There would be no tape of Bush in the classroom then. And when it comes down to it, we are speaking of optics here, nothing more.



Christ, do you even read before responding? Or are you just incapable of anything but a straw-man response?

No, I wouldn't want him to go "hide in his limo", I would have liked for him to get involved. If that entailed getting a breifing in his limo - so bit it. But sitting on his ass is not the action of a leader.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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