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Help McCain with a campaign slogan

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UPDATED: Sunday, April 13, 2008 18:33
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Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:01 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That is their real platform, their only platform. That's the reason why you're seeing a black man and a white woman doing so well this year.


I disagree, but we've already established you will think what you want.
Perhaps I should have put more emphasis on the wealthy part. Wealthy presidents helping out their wealthy friends is gonna do very little for a middle-class gal like me. The change I want is someone who has seen more of that life and wants to do something to make life easier for me instead of their cronies.



So terribly sorry to confuse you. That one better? Perhaps I should have added "Or a high-ranking General" to that.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:33 PM

DEADLOCKVICTIM


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Wealthy presidents helping out their wealthy friends is gonna do very little for a middle-class gal like me.



or a middle-class dude like me...

You make a good point, PR, in fact there is evidence to prove that Bush just doesn't understand the poor or even middle class citizens that he swore an oath to serve.

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The Reverend Jim Wallis, leader of Call to Renewal, a network of churches that fight poverty, told the New York Times that shortly after his election, Bush had said to him, "I don't understand how poor people think," and had described himself as a "white Republican guy who doesn't get it...


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There was a telling episode in 1999 when the Department of Agriculture came out with its annual statistics on hunger, showing that once again Texas was near the top. Texas is a perennial leader in hunger because we have 43 counties in South Texas (and some in East Texas) that are like Third World countries.

When the 1999 hunger stats were announced, Bush threw a tantrum. He thought it was some malign Clinton plot to make his state look bad because he was running for president. "I saw the report that children in Texas are going hungry. Where?" he demanded. "No children are going to go hungry in this state. You'd think the governor would have heard if there are pockets of hunger in Texas." You would, wouldn't you? That is the point at which ignorance becomes inexcusable. In five years, Bush had never spent time with people in the colonias, South Texas' shantytowns; he had never been to a session with Valley Interfaith, a consortium of border churches and schools and the best community organization in the state. There is no excuse for a governor to be unaware of this huge reality of Texas.


http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/11/ma_559_01.html

The mindset of these fatcat politicians is simply about controlling wealth and, like you said, Take Care of Their Own - The country, for the most part, has truly suffered under this administration and it is time for a much needed change. IMO -

i like your tag - and no, you're not the only one....

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Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:54 PM

KIRKULES





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Friday, April 11, 2008 2:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I disagree, but we've already established you will think what you want.
Perhaps I should have put more emphasis on the wealthy part. Wealthy presidents helping out their wealthy friends is gonna do very little for a middle-class gal like me. The change I want is someone who has seen more of that life and wants to do something to make life easier for me instead of their cronies.



Well PR.... when you put it that way, how can I disagree. I'm very passionate about all of what you said. This is why I'm often very good on a one on one live debate (I don't mean televised or nothing.. lol. Just two people over drinks or coffee or whatever).

There is plenty of middle ground everywhere and in every issue. Most of us really aren't so different. This goes back to why I think the 2 party system is a sham. There is never two answers to any question. There is no all encompassing West and East, or Right and Wrong, or Republican or Democrat.

To label ourselves one or the other is to actively proclaim to everyone on the other "side" that you don't agree anything they stand for, when in reality, I'm sure there is a lot of things that the Democratic Party does that you don't like and at the same time there are many things about the Republicans that you like, if you took the chance to see what their real values are instead of living in a "one or the other" world where they have to be wrong on every issue becuase they are THEM and you are US.

This goes 10fold for Aurap and Finn, and Rue and Cantakethesky, and Frem and me. Yeah... even us. I know that he does a much much much much better job of it, but I tend to lose it often and shut people out. The truth is, every single regular poster in here could take the time to get to know the other side a bit more and learn some understanding.

When you step out of the box for a minute it's truly sad to see not only the behavior of everyone around you, but of yourself as well... This two party system has a lot of people at each other's throats.

People have to sacrafice up to 49% of their opinions or ideals or beliefs in order to align themselves with somebody who shares at least 51% of their own.

Think about it.....


I could ramble on in this vane for ever, but I'll just leave it at I like your campaign slogan and I think that when we take the oppurtunity to step in the middle and meet and share our own ideas under the cover of the night sky or high in the clouds away from the influence of a two party system, we'll find that we do a hell of a lot more than agree on 51% of everything

Ya take care, and after all this time, I hope you don't really think ill of me as a person. I don't of you.

Regards,
~Jack

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, April 11, 2008 5:14 AM

FREMDFIRMA


That bein why I never align myself with any particular party - I want more than 51% out of someone if imma place that level of power and authority in their hands.

I don't like any of the choices on todays menu, that's for sure.

-F

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Friday, April 11, 2008 6:22 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

There is plenty of middle ground everywhere and in every issue. Most of us really aren't so different. This goes back to why I think the 2 party system is a sham. There is never two answers to any question. There is no all encompassing West and East, or Right and Wrong, or Republican or Democrat.

To label ourselves one or the other is to actively proclaim to everyone on the other "side" that you don't agree anything they stand for, when in reality, I'm sure there is a lot of things that the Democratic Party does that you don't like and at the same time there are many things about the Republicans that you like, if you took the chance to see what their real values are instead of living in a "one or the other" world where they have to be wrong on every issue becuase they are THEM and you are US.

This goes 10fold for Aurap and Finn, and Rue and Cantakethesky, and Frem and me. Yeah... even us. I know that he does a much much much much better job of it, but I tend to lose it often and shut people out. The truth is, every single regular poster in here could take the time to get to know the other side a bit more and learn some understanding.

When you step out of the box for a minute it's truly sad to see not only the behavior of everyone around you, but of yourself as well... This two party system has a lot of people at each other's throats.

People have to sacrafice up to 49% of their opinions or ideals or beliefs in order to align themselves with somebody who shares at least 51% of their own.

Think about it.....




Just to chime in, I disagree with many (if not most) of your posts in RWED, but this one was very insightfull. Well said.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:10 AM

MEIMEICOBB







http://outofgas.proboards88.com << Go here and join.

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:13 PM

INVICTUS12


how about "destroying the world...one terrorist and 93 civilians at a time..."

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:56 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm sure there is a lot of things that the Democratic Party does that you don't like and at the same time there are many things about the Republicans that you like, if you took the chance to see what their real values are instead of living in a "one or the other" world where they have to be wrong on every issue becuase they are THEM and you are US.


The old school Republican values of smaller government is about the only thing I can get behind. However, I haven't seen a lot of evidence of that in the modern Republican party. Instead of the government staying more out of our lives for the last eight years, they've been more and more in my bidness. And my pockets. Which I don't like. Not at all. So that value that I could get behind became a moot point. And often the political correctness of the Democratic party gets under my skin, I will never claim otherwise. However, that same political correctness that makes me think they're too cautious on certain issues is the same thing that allows me to wear a pentacle in the open, love another woman if I want to, and go to Planned Parenthood, all pretty much legally. So, I had to measure those pros and cons, and I chose my party. And I registered as a Democrat rather than Independent because Independents can't take part in the primaries, where a great many decisions are made. So, there's that too. And, whatever you may think about whether he's telling the truth or not, I agree with the black guy on about 80% of policies and ideals, which is a great deal more than I can say for any other candidate, ever, in any context. I'm not voting for him because he's not a white guy, it's because I agree with him. If it were only about race and/or gender to me, I'd take the route a lot of women have taken and vote for the woman. But I don't agree with the woman, so I didn't.
I don't think ill of you as a person, though I have felt like I was running into a brick wall a few times when I've talked to you, so I appreciate the lack of arguing this time.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:29 PM

GILEAD


Sorry to interrupt the real world with a Firefly moment, but this conversation y'all are having goes right to an idea I had about getting the series back. Seriously. Crazy, yes, but serious/crazy.

Here's the thing: Firefly could, in a lot of ways, be considered the quintessential conservative sci-fi. It's anti-government, free market, and fist fight diplomacy. Not to mention it's overtly old-timey. Sure, they hang out with whores, but so did Jesus.

BUT, Firefly was born into the freshly post-9/11 era. The conservatives were the Alliance, and FOX was pretty much Blue Sun. An anti-government rebel yell and misbehavin' in general weren't exactly on message. I'm sure FOX's real reasons were more specific and mundane ($$$), but again, a rabble-rousing show wasn't exactly on message.

Now, onto election 2008.

If McCain wins, we're where we were.

If a democrat wins, THEY become the Alliance. Suddenly FOX's tune will be a bit different. Not holding the purse strings anymore, they'll sudden have a born-again moment about small government, raising heck, and making an unregulated buck.

Should that come to pass, here's the plan:

We talk up a red-streak (I'm a liberal). Our more conservative Browncoats go on the PR-offense , making the anti-Alliance case to FOX by singing up the red meat aspects of Firefly (and we Blue-ish types be all quiet like or maybe even blow some conservative smoke).

This property will look a lot more attractive to a FOX living on the outside facing consterning and unfriendly-like government regulation.

It's a thought.

What I'm saying is vote blue, talk red. :)


Gilead

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Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:03 AM

ARCLIGHT


"While The Democrats are so busy stabbing each others backs Vote McCain!"

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:06 AM

ARCLIGHT


Obama is an idiot. Hillary is Satan.
VOTE McCAIN

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:11 AM

ARCLIGHT


Hanoi Jane or John McCain.
Tough Choice????

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:21 AM

ARCLIGHT


VOTE DEMOCRAT!
The Slavery Party.

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:27 AM

ARCLIGHT


but the best, the absolute best...
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I want you to help me change that."
barack obama

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:32 AM

ARCLIGHT


everything that is your's, belongs to someone else. VOTE DEMOCRAT.

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:45 AM

ARCLIGHT


Fight Global Warming! Vote 80% Income Tax! VOTE DEMOCRAT!!! NOW, or you're just another planet killing asshole.

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:54 AM

ARCLIGHT


"I was born a poor black child. ah ain't in no waz tired"
H. Clinton

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:09 AM

ARCLIGHT


48% of all petro carbons imported by the United States come from Canada. Shouldn't take you more than a minute or two to figure out who is gonna get screwed if you vote democrat. Suck it up hose heads, Aye

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 10:08 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Hey idiot ...
Quote:

Originally posted by arclight:
but the best, the absolute best...
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I want you to help me change that."
barack obama

... did you ever even THINK of doing any fact-checking before you posted this ? NAAAAH - of course not !

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp
claim: Barack Obama urged his supporters to join him in changing 'the greatest nation in the history of the world'.
status: false
origins: ... in this case, however, the quote is a fictional double whammy: it not only began as a political in-joke rather than something uttered by democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama, but in its original incarnation its humor was apparently directed at the presumptive repubican nominee John McCain.


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You just posted the latest childish bit you and your brainless buddies have been sniggering about lately. Hope you're happy with your juvenile image on the board.

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:33 PM

GILEAD


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Clinton was a fratboy - there was no doubt he loved to play. The difference is that the Bush-hater jokes aren’t really jokes at all, but disguised attempts at libel, political rhetoric or outright hatred. It’s one thing to make fun of a man for promiscuity who is repeatedly caught in marital infidelity - it’s something completely different to accuse a man of being a murderer, a terrorist or a fascist because you don’t agree with a political policy.



No, no point in satirizing someone's actual policies...

Gilead

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Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

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