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New American Policy?

POSTED BY: BADKARMA00
UPDATED: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:05
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Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:13 PM

BADKARMA00


It's evident that neither side has been able to do much in the way of 'international relations' in the last forty years or so. Anything the US has done in that area has resulted in the loss of American jobs ( nafta ) or the murder of American service men ( somalia, lebannon ) or the UN declaring the US has a poor record in human rights. Kofi Anan and his crook of a son, no less, saying that, lol.

Maybe it's time for the US to simply do it's own thing, and let the rest of the world GTH. There are a few simple things we can do that will rid us of the need to worry about what everyone else is doing. Some are expensive, I grant you, but worth the money.


1) We can tap the oil in ANWAR for now, if we need to, but let's turn up the work of moving away from oil all together. That's all the Persian area has going for it, and if we don't need it, then the they don't matter.

2) Strong tariffs on all imports, and outright bans on others, (like china for example and their lead laden toys and eating utensils) Keep American money here at home, and paying for American jobs.

3) Ensure that our OWN people have health care and food before engaging in any 'humanitarian' missions overseas. It's not just ironic, but pathetic that we feel the need to help people overseas, and not our own.

4) Continue to develop SDI, and use it to make sure that no one can destroy the planet while destroying themselves. France and Germany will go to war again one day, and Russia will decide to go Imperialistic again probably. And of course China, India, et. al. with their nukes and dreams.
So long as we can prevent the wholesale release of radiation in the atmosphere that WE have to breathe, let'em fight. It ain't our business.


I know there's some who will argue with this, just as some will argue with a wall or a stop sign. But to me, enough is enough. I don't think we need 'the global community' as much as it needs us.

And I do think our own people, here at home, deserve more consideration from our government, regardless of whoever's party is in control, than the folks overseas do. After all, our citizens are the one's footing the bills.

Thought?

Bad_karma
Executive V.P. of the Pissed off and Fed up

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Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Friday, February 29, 2008 2:45 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by badkarma00:
It's evident that neither side has been able to do much in the way of 'international relations' in the last forty years or so. Anything the US has done in that area has resulted in the loss of American jobs ( nafta ) or the murder of American service men ( somalia, lebannon ) or the UN declaring the US has a poor record in human rights. Kofi Anan and his crook of a son, no less, saying that, lol.

Maybe it's time for the US to simply do it's own thing, and let the rest of the world GTH. There are a few simple things we can do that will rid us of the need to worry about what everyone else is doing. Some are expensive, I grant you, but worth the money.


1) We can tap the oil in ANWAR for now, if we need to, but let's turn up the work of moving away from oil all together. That's all the Persian area has going for it, and if we don't need it, then the they don't matter.

2) Strong tariffs on all imports, and outright bans on others, (like china for example and their lead laden toys and eating utensils) Keep American money here at home, and paying for American jobs.

3) Ensure that our OWN people have health care and food before engaging in any 'humanitarian' missions overseas. It's not just ironic, but pathetic that we feel the need to help people overseas, and not our own.

4) Continue to develop SDI, and use it to make sure that no one can destroy the planet while destroying themselves. France and Germany will go to war again one day, and Russia will decide to go Imperialistic again probably. And of course China, India, et. al. with their nukes and dreams.
So long as we can prevent the wholesale release of radiation in the atmosphere that WE have to breathe, let'em fight. It ain't our business.


I know there's some who will argue with this, just as some will argue with a wall or a stop sign. But to me, enough is enough. I don't think we need 'the global community' as much as it needs us.

And I do think our own people, here at home, deserve more consideration from our government, regardless of whoever's party is in control, than the folks overseas do. After all, our citizens are the one's footing the bills.

Thought?

Bad_karma
Executive V.P. of the Pissed off and Fed up


I agree with your points. I'm just not sure how realistic it is to tell the world to GTH however. Like it or not, we are in a global economy, with our American corporations doing business all over the world, and with foreign companies selling products here that we all buy and enjoy. I do admire your spunk, and if push came to shove I would also say that future total isolationism is an attractive goal. Actually I see that as an inevitable future anyhow. The rampant proliferation of nukes or the simple technology for dirty bombs, etc. will certainly one day ignite local or regional attacks in the Middle East and Europe, and at that point our SDI/missle shield will be the only thing preventing America from disintegrating into chaos and anarchy. I know at least some here would gleefully welcome THAT day.

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Friday, February 29, 2008 3:49 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by badkarma00:
It's evident that neither side has been able to do much in the way of 'international relations' in the last forty years or so.


Wow, talk about glass half empty...

Forty? Thats 1968...ok, a bad year. But a lot has happened since then, good and bad. I'll give you a few examples, but there are a great many.

The 1970s saw the US dislodge China from the Soviet Bloc. The '80s saw START treaties, the peaceful decline and fall of Aparteid in South Africa and Soviet Communism in Europe. T

The '90s saw NAFTA, true, but also saw a US sponsored peace initiative in Ireland.

This last decade has been dominated by stories on Iraq...but did anybody notice all the good we've done in Africa. Free AIDS meds, huge increases in aid leading to regional economic stimulas that resulted in much higher trade with those developing nations as well as addressing democracy, human rights, medical care, food production, and security for many nations. Thats why Bush got a better reception in Ghana then he'd ever get in New York City. Say what you want about Bush and Condi...but they've done better by Africa then any other world leaders since the end of colonialism.

And sure, folks hate NAFTA. I didn't support it...always saw it as a good idea screwed up by Clinton and Gore. But now we ship $680 billion to our NAFTA partners. If we simply end NAFTA it will be a pretty hard blow to a sagging economy. I'm in favor of ending or restructuring it, but we need sound economic ground under our feet before we tinker too much. And we simply can't throw the whole idea out. With India, China, and the EU, we need a regional economic bloc to compete or those nations in NAFTA and CAFTA with us will gravitate towards another sphere and hurt us even more. I think we need a strategic economic and security alliance between North America, Japan, Australia, the Gulf States (Dubai especially), Britain, the new Europe (yes, divide the EU if we can), and some of our new and more stable African friends.

H

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Friday, February 29, 2008 4:08 AM

BADKARMA00


The glass IS half empty when we're feeding and medicating people all over the world at the expense of our own doing without. I'm sick of it, and I'm sick of these other countries thumbing their noses at us.

As for China, Apratheid, etc, what did that do for us as Americans? Huh? China is still an 800 pound gorilla waiting to gobble up whatever it can.

You're basically making my point for me. We've done all this crap overseas, and yet our own people do without.

And I'm not a liberal in any sense of the term, either. If I can see it, you can bet others do to.

It's time that America looked after Americans for a while, and let the rest of the world take care of itself.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

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Friday, February 29, 2008 5:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA


"It's time that America looked after Americans for a while, and let the rest of the world take care of itself."

Amen.

-F

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Friday, February 29, 2008 5:22 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by badkarma00:

1) We can tap the oil in ANWAR for now, if we need to, but let's turn up the work of moving away from oil all together. That's all the Persian area has going for it, and if we don't need it, then the they don't matter.

2) Strong tariffs on all imports, and outright bans on others, (like china for example and their lead laden toys and eating utensils) Keep American money here at home, and paying for American jobs.

3) Ensure that our OWN people have health care and food before engaging in any 'humanitarian' missions overseas. It's not just ironic, but pathetic that we feel the need to help people overseas, and not our own.


You won't get a fight from me over these points, Bad, but thinking like this won't make the elite any richer, I'm afraid.

Chrisisall

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Friday, February 29, 2008 6:05 AM

PIRATECAT


Bk I agree but what ya said is nothing new. This is been going on for decades. I remember NAFTA. You call your congressman mine was McMillan of District 9 in NC. He's like it will bring foodlion jobs. What lose good paying jobs to grocery baggers. Companies are run by bean counters. You see in your times on jobs. Everthing is outsourced. Jobs are important to a man's self esteem look at steeler fans every time you go in a bar in Pittsburgh their still talking about the mill that closed 30 years ago. It just comes down to greed with the very rich. Rip off retirements so you can make endowment to the arts. They don't build companies just merge them which means layoffs. Oh I'm depressed time for a sugar pill. later gator. PC

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Friday, February 29, 2008 9:09 AM

AVENGINGWATCHER


Well,
Ahem..where do I start. You are obviously a conservative, which really means nothing except you and I disagree on some fundamental points. I agree with you that we need to take care of our people first specifically I think all people should have basic and emergency health care. I agree that Nafta was a bad idea, however to change it now would cause us greater increases in food prices and destabilization of countries that would then hate us, both of which would hurt the lowest rungs of Americans as well as the poor in other countries. We don't need more nukes and should probably be doing more to discourage their use along with the securing of loose nukes in the former soviet states. As far as what helping to create equality and peace in the world, it does a lot in the way of perception of the United States which makes it harder for terrorists to have a stable base for attack on Americans, don't forget that before the US pulled it's money and support out of Afghanistan it was a pro-American country, with civil rights for men and women, but when we pulled out a major civil war erupted causing the Taliban to gain power and enforce Islamic law. The same thing happened with Iran, both with the former Shah and current elections where a hard-liner and a mainstream were neck and neck until dubya declared Iran a member of the axis of evil, the mainstream candidate lost all support in fear of a US attack. Mission Accomplished right?

When there are no heroes where will we turn?

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Friday, February 29, 2008 9:52 AM

BADKARMA00


I'm to a point that I don't really care if other countries hate us or not. Most do anyway, because we made something of our country, while they whiled away thinking they were better than us.

And yes, it would take time to rebuild what NAFTA cost us. It's worth it, IMO.

And, I really, at this point, don't care what happens in these other countries. Iran is a Muslim nation, and will hate us no matter who is in charge. Don't kid yourself thinking it's any other way.

As I said, let the others fend for themselves a while. When they realize how much we're doing for them, they'll come begging again, hat in hand.

Only this time, if we're smart, we'll say we gave at the office.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

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Friday, February 29, 2008 10:05 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Sounds real simple to renege on deals, but you also have to consider the consequences.

"If any American government ever chose to make the mistake of opening that, we would have something we would want to talk about as well," the prime minister told the House of Commons during question period.

Earlier this week, Trade Minister David Emerson and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said U.S. officials should not forget the benefits of the agreement and hinted Canada could respond to a NAFTA pullout by renegotiating U.S. access to Canada's oil.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/usvotes/story/2008/02/29/mcain-nafta.html

And it won't only be oil, the price of Lumber, exported electricity, raw materials, as well as finished goods will go up. In addition US exports will decrease... further treaty's will be harder to negotiate as the world view will be ( is ) that you do not live up to your word.

As McCain states

Every time in history we have practised protectionism, we have paid a very heavy price for it," McCain said.

"I want to tell our Canadian friends ... that I will negotiate and conclude free trade agreements and I will not, after entering into solemn agreements, go and say that I will abrogate those agreements."

The long-time Arizona senator then thanked Canada for its "enormous contribution" in the NATO-led mission in Afghanistan against Taliban and al-Qaeda insurgents, a key military alliance he said was "interconnected" with the close relationship the U.S. shares with its biggest trading partner.

"One of the greatest assets we have in Afghanistan today, frankly, are our Canadian friends," McCain said. "It's very controversial in Canada, their commitment and suffering and the losses they have faced. And we need, we need our Canadian friends and we need their continued support in Afghanistan."



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