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In Defense Of The Fistfight

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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 19:20
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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 1:49 PM

FREDGIBLET

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 2:36 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Civilized man that I try to be...

Some people do seem to need a beating.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 2:44 PM

KIRKULES


I was at work one day and one of the younger guys showed up for work late with a few bumps and bruises and I asked him what happened. Turns out he had a road rage incident with an old man(he estimated near 80) and they pull to the side of the road and began to exchange unpleasentries. He must have crossed some verbal line because the old man punched him square in the face and knocked him to the ground. I asked "what did you do" and he said "I got up and punched him right back". At the time I was shocked that an 18 year old kid would punch an 80 year old man, but now I think he might have done the right thing. I've noticed in recent years that the majority of really unpleasant people I run into are men over 50 years old. There seems to be a direct link between the last time someone got their ass kicked and how polite they are. That old man had probably been an asshole for 30 years or more since the last time someone punched back. Bet he won't be so quick to think he can mouth off with impunity in the future.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 5:31 PM

SUCCATASH


The writer of this blog is just a dumb ass who hates hippies.

The hippie should not have spit on him. The guy obviously must have terribly insulted the hippie.

This guy is a dick. If he had a problem with their clapping he should have complained to the establishment, moved tables, or just left. He should not have called him over to his table to try and dominate and insult him and start a fight.





"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 6:17 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
The writer of this blog is just a dumb ass who hates hippies.

The hippie should not have spit on him. The guy obviously must have terribly insulted the hippie.

This guy is a dick. If he had a problem with their clapping he should have complained to the establishment, moved tables, or just left. He should not have called him over to his table to try and dominate and insult him and start a fight.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."



Hello,

Legally, it is almost certain that the author was in the wrong. Laws are structured to prevent this kind of behavior.

Morally... I'm not so certain.

I agree that the man should have approached the management.

I disagree that he should have relocated himself. That essentially allows the 'hippies' (Do we still have hippies?) to bully him around.

Inviting someone to discuss your differences is a very adult thing to do. He may or may not have intended to intimidate the 'hippie.' We can't know this as it's not stated.

The 'hippie' spitting on the author is not only insulting, but it qualifies as an assault. If someone spat on me on purpose, and I thought I could retaliate without anyone ending up dead or in jail, I probably would.

Your morals may vary.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 6:26 PM

SUCCATASH


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I disagree that he should have relocated himself. That essentially allows the 'hippies' (Do we still have hippies?) to bully him around.



Uh... the hippies were minding there own business, they weren't "bullying" anyone. How can you call it that?

It's funny that the writer conveniently failed to mention WHY the hippie spit on him.

If you don't like the way someone is clapping, complain to the management or shut the fuck up, I say. If it bothers you too much then leave.

How can violence be a solution here?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 6:40 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I disagree that he should have relocated himself. That essentially allows the 'hippies' (Do we still have hippies?) to bully him around.



Uh... the hippies were minding there own business, they weren't "bullying" anyone. How can you call it that?

It's funny that the writer conveniently failed to mention WHY the hippie spit on him.

If you don't like the way someone is clapping, complain to the management or shut the fuck up, I say. If it bothers you too much then leave.

How can violence be a solution here?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."



Hello,

According to the article, the 'hippie' was the first to use violence by intentionally expelling his bodily fluids onto the author.

If we take the article at face value, the author found the 'hippie' activity disruptive and called a member of the party to discuss his concerns. That party then spit on him, and he responded violently.

Admittedly, we have no input from the 'hippie' in this incident. But we can no more assume that the 'hippie' was reasonable than we can assume the writer provoked the 'hippie.' There's simply no information provided to support either supposition.

The article, as written, indicates that the 'hippie' provoked the author. It may be that somewhere there is an article written by the 'hippie' that tells a different story about how he was insulted and wrongfully abused. If such an article exists, I'd love to read it.

I'd be even more interested in an independent 3rd party witness. But we don't have that either.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 6:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA


But that's their way, Tash...

In spite of all the rationalisations, the thin veneer of BS they hide it under, authoritarian types really only believe in threat or violence to impose their will on others, it's the way they are, shown quite clear in the past week even here.

That bein said, I am too damn old and battered for the rough and tumble anymore, and with my bum leg it's not like I can just haul ass in a situation - cuss at me, yell at me, spit at me, I'm not much gonna care, but lay *hands* on me in lethal threat, expect to recieve three rounds of corbons finest in the abdomen from a muzzle contact position.

I never willingly put myself in a position where such a problem is likely, mind you - but folks who like to enforce their beliefs or whims upon others with violence would do well to learn that not everyone sees that shit as just fun and games, it's a potentially lethal threat and can be rightfully and legally responded to in same fashion.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 6:54 PM

SUCCATASH


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Admittedly, we have no input from the 'hippie' in this incident.



We have no input from the author, either. He purposely skipped that part of their conversation, I wonder why. It's a shallow attempt to make himself look like the victim of a smug hippie.

If the hippie spit on him for no reason at all, then the hippie is clearly at fault.

If the hippie was threatened, he should have reported it to managment, called the police, or left.

Spitting is wrong, no doubt about it. But the author is being vague on purpose, I don't doubt that he became verbally agressive with the hippie-clapper. Why else would the hippie spit on him?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:05 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Admittedly, we have no input from the 'hippie' in this incident.



We have no input from the author, either. He purposely skipped that part of their conversation, I wonder why. It's a shallow attempt to make himself look like the victim of a smug hippie.

If the hippie spit on him for no reason at all, then the hippie is clearly at fault.

If the hippie was threatened, he should have reported it to managment, called the police, or left.

Spitting is wrong, no doubt about it. But the author is being vague on purpose, I don't doubt that he became verbally agressive with the hippie-clapper. Why else would the hippie spit on him?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."



Hello,

Succatash, I have been the victim of people who targeted me without any valid reason or complaint whatsoever, so it does happen.

I have been insulted, smacked around, and beaten upon, all without committing offense or even knowing who my attackers were.

It may be that the author said something like, "Hey you fucking hippie, stop making that fucking racket or I'll fuck your ass up."

But we don't know.

On another tangent, in response to another poster's comment about 'authoritarian types,' I don't consider myself such a person. I have before and I will again endure insults to my person. Words have never been enough to incite me to violence.

But when you or any part of you purposefully comes in contact with me, words have ended.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:13 PM

SUCCATASH


From the article:

I would submit, Your Honor, that if someone is doing something demonstrably asinine, and I ask them to stop it, please, and they say, "Make us," they've entered a binding oral contract whereby I am permitted, even obligated, to try to make them.

The author is clearly not talking about defending himself. He thinks he has the right to physically enforce his will upon people he doesn't like.

Fuck him, he's just a whiny bitch who resorts to violence when he doesn't get his way. He's a loser.


"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:20 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
From the article:

I would submit, Your Honor, that if someone is doing something demonstrably asinine, and I ask them to stop it, please, and they say, "Make us," they've entered a binding oral contract whereby I am permitted, even obligated, to try to make them.

The author is clearly not talking about defending himself. He thinks he has the right to physically enforce his will upon people he doesn't like.

Fuck him, he's just a whiny bitch who resorts to violence when he doesn't get his way. He's a loser.


"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."



Hello,

You have a valid point there, Succatash.

I'd still be inclined to punch someone who spat on me.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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