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Friday, November 9, 2007 8:19 AM

CHRISISALL


There's NO WAY we could possibly use up all of the Earth's resources! NO WAY!!
Have you seen us from space?? GREEN EVERYWHERE!!!
If every person on this planet hacked down twenty trees a day for the rest of our lives, guess what? Still more trees. And more oil is being discovered every year. And the sea absorbs our supposedly dangerous toxic dumping, and guess what? Still great fishing! And oh, how we pollute the air! See how we need respirators to go outside? No? That's cause the air is fine!
I throw all my non-bio-degradable garbage out the window of my car on the highway, and know what? It's not there the next day. This planet is amazing in it's ability to take a punch.

I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.

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Friday, November 9, 2007 8:36 AM

STORYMARK


LOL! Nice, Chris.

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Friday, November 9, 2007 8:44 AM

PACHELBEL


This forum really needs a color for sarcasm.

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Friday, November 9, 2007 8:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Yeah- green, like my puke.

The 'anti-chicken-littlers' make me sick.

Chrisisall, citizen and observer of Earth

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Friday, November 9, 2007 8:51 AM

PACHELBEL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah- green, like my puke.



The other place I frequent uses teal

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Friday, November 9, 2007 9:34 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by pachelbel:

The other place I frequent uses teal

Well, this place is full of black and white views on stuff, I guess it's appropriate that the text and field reflect that...

Chrisisall

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Friday, November 9, 2007 10:44 AM

RUE

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....

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Friday, November 9, 2007 1:14 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.

No way man. Every person on this planet, especially the capitalists and the Jews, are destroying our fragile planet because of their greedy mustache twirling Jewing about. It’s only a matter of days, maybe minutes, before the world crumbles into dust under the weight of modern industry, fascist America and George Bush. The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism. And anyone who doesn’t want to enact world-wide socialism is a capitalist pig who hates puppies.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, November 9, 2007 1:26 PM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.

No way man. Every person on this planet, especially the capitalists and the Jews, are destroying our fragile planet because of their greedy mustache twirling Jewing about. It’s only a matter of days, maybe minutes, before the world crumbles into dust under the weight of modern industry, fascist America and George Bush. The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism. And anyone who doesn’t want to enact world-wide socialism is a capitalist pig who hates puppies.

higgly warts! We know that socialism is an economic system. We need a benevolent dictator who will force us to treat the planet with respect! Capitalism is fine; we will just shoot the folks who insist on polluting!

BTW, I am available for the position 'Dictator for the 21st century'

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Friday, November 9, 2007 1:27 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by leadb:
BTW, I am available for the position 'Dictator for the 21st century'

Is your last name Thatcher.



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Friday, November 9, 2007 2:16 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism.

Finn, you went too far in the other direction for me with your last, unexpected post, but this part is interesting. We could hover with it for a while, until the evil Neo-Socialits start gaining power, then I'll be screaming for a new free-market economy and Capitalists to save us!



Pendulum Chrisisall

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Friday, November 9, 2007 3:01 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Chris

Recently discovered records indicate that, after the 2008 Clinton/Obama election, the USA ended the so-called "War on Terror" and provided nuclear technology to the peace-loving people of Iran and other Middle-eastern countries in exchange for their promise to quit exporting greenhouse-gas-causing oil.

The 2016 nuclear exchange between Greater Persia and Israel was quickly followed by the backpack nuke Jihads in Europe, Japan, and Southeast Asia (ever notice how there's not too many folk not speaking English or Chinese in the FF world?). The resulting nuclear winter quickly used up stocks of fossil fuel. South America reverted to banana republics squabbling over the few remaining resources. Only the United States of North-American and Greater China (including Australia and New Zealand) maintained the ability to get off the planet.



Hey! It's just as logical as yours.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, November 9, 2007 6:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Geezer, I always liked you, and this post is one of the reasons why.

Late night Chrisisall

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Friday, November 9, 2007 6:41 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:


*The preceding was paid for by AURaptor Delusions, Ltd., a division of De Nile Inc., working for a care-free environment.




Now THAT'S funny. The members of the Don Quixote Club attempting to make a funny at the expense of the rational folks of the world.




This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*



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Friday, November 9, 2007 7:01 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I don't worry much about destroying the planet. All the humans will die long before we can render the world unsuitable for all life.

The cockroaches will inherit, the fungi will survive, and a million years after the human race is gone, the planet will again be a lush green Oasis.

All the tree-huggers ought to be rootin' for World War III.

--Anthony

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Friday, November 9, 2007 7:43 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I don't worry much about destroying the planet. All the humans will die long before we can render the world unsuitable for all life.

Frankly, I’m more worried about the planet destroying us. I think there is a certain degree of arrogance in the global warming doomsday camp. Much like the those who refused to believe that the Earth wasn’t the center of the universe, some people can’t grasp the idea that we just simply might not be in any condition to dictate what the planet does with regard to climate.

Personally, my guess is with regard to the climate that it won’t be global warming that gets us, but it might be global warming that makes us drop the ball. We might end up being so preoccupied worrying about a warming climate that we won’t prepare for the inevitable cooling that historically seems to have followed warming trends, usually with drastically negative impact on civilization.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, November 9, 2007 11:59 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*

The more you post this, the more I'll refute it and the more you'll ignore it I guess.

The millenium bug didn't case any problems, because we fixed it before the year 2000. If we hadn't done anything, there would have been problems, we did and they didn't occur. To say there was no problem because we fixed it before it occured, is simply idiotic.



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Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:57 AM

ZZETTA13


I’m moving to Mars tomorrow!

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:12 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*

The more you post this, the more I'll refute it and the more you'll ignore it I guess.

The millenium bug didn't case any problems, because we fixed it before the year 2000. If we hadn't done anything, there would have been problems, we did and they didn't occur. To say there was no problem because we fixed it before it occured, is simply idiotic.




Why do you feel the need to respond, is what I find curious.

There were 2 things happening w/ y2k at the same time. You're right, that most of the computer issues were taken care of, with no small amount of work before hand to make sure all would run smoothly. Taking a proactive position unquestionably was needed for many key industries. Which is why I never felt there would be a problem. Those who had it in their best interest to make sure y2k wouldn't screw w/ their livelihood did what they needed to do. That part is understandable.

But the nut jobs, the whackos who thought Clinton was building concentration camps, claimed they had SEEN thsoe camps being built, and claimed that he'd use y2k as an excuse to usher in martial law, it's those kooks who I'm comparing the mass hysteria we see about global warming...THAT is how I see so many reacting to this 'climate change' fraud.

y2k came and went, and save for a very few minor issues, the world kept moving forward. All was well. The earth will go through its changes, warming / cooling, dryer / wetter, etc... there's nothing we can do to change that. Nor should we even try.

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:34 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why do you feel the need to respond, is what I find curious.

Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation. In fact there is another comparison, many people said they didn't believe there could be a problem, largely because they never understood the proposed issue, and said nothing needed to be done. Just like global warming:
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The earth will go through its changes, warming / cooling, dryer / wetter, etc... there's nothing we can do to change that. Nor should we even try.

The problems with arguments against global warming, is that they revolve near exclusively around a denile, rather than a refutation of the science of global warming. Big things are made of the Earth being warmer in the past, but that doesn't refute that man is involved, it shows that the Earth can warm naturally, it doesn't prove the Earth is warming naturally this time. It's perfectly possible that global warming today is caused, or greatly exacerbated which is just as bad, by man and still be natural in the past.
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But the nut jobs, the whackos who thought Clinton was building concentration camps, claimed they had SEEN thsoe camps being built, and claimed that he'd use y2k as an excuse to usher in martial law, it's those kooks who I'm comparing the mass hysteria we see about global warming...THAT is how I see so many reacting to this 'climate change' fraud.
There's nutjobs and whakos in everything, the extreme doesn't refute the mainstream.



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Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:00 AM

AURAPTOR

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Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation.
How is it in any way a " reasonable interpretation " when I specifically noted that a great amount of work HAD been done to avoid problems ? It's no secret that companies spent 1000's of hours working on the Y2K bug in order to keep their systems and their business running smooth. I made that perfectly clear! Talk about denial, you see ONLY what you want to see, and this example only makes my case more valid.

You dismiss the science where it threatends to disrupt your template. Sun activity goes up? Not a cause of global warming. Polar caps on Mars melt ? Nope, gotta be something else. Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world. And then you talk about denial ? Too gorram funny.

There were religious whackos ( Christian fundies ) who believed Y2K would usher in the return of Jesus. WHy? It was fortold in The Bible, that's why. Folks were told to look for 'earth pangs', meannig more hurricanes, more earthquakes, etc.... and that's exactly what they saw. They weren't paying attention to these things before, even though they were always occuring, but NOW, it was far more important because Jesus was coming back. How did they know ? The Bible said so, and the Bible can't be wrong. Word of God, ya know.

Only, there's one small problem. These things, quakes and hurricanes, HAD been happening all along. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but always happening. Fact is, the number major quakes had been stable for the past several decades, or in the decline. Oh, but the Bible thumpers had seen it on the news! It's been reported, and you can't deny that! Um...yeah, I could. Just looking at the records of the USGS and looking at the data. Still, I had folks tell me that news reporters knew MORE about earth quakes than the USGS!! Why? Because they REPORTED on it , and they saw the reports on t.v.!

Same thing is happening w/ global warming/ climate change. Back in '05, folks were told that Katrina was a product of "global warming" , and we should expext more hurricanes, stronger hurricanes and more to hit the US than ever before.

2 yrs later, where the fuck are the hurricanes ? No where. If a warmer climate was to cause more storms, where were they ? Seems folks don't know as much about the weather as we were led to believe.

John Coleman is right.

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:36 AM

CAUSAL


Ah, mockery...

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:39 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
There's nutjobs and whakos in everything, the extreme doesn't refute the mainstream.



I don't consider myself well-educated enough to enter the global warming debate. But I would just like to point out that a view's being the majority opinion does not entail that the belief is true. (That, of course, is why evidence and argument is so important.)

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:51 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation.
How is it in any way a " reasonable interpretation " when I specifically noted that a great amount of work HAD been done to avoid problems ?

Because you didn't do that until AFTER I responded, and I don't own a crystal ball. I was explaining why I interpreted your initial post the way I did.
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You dismiss the science where it threatends to disrupt your template. Sun activity goes up? Not a cause of global warming.
Stop ranting and show me the science and I'll listen, I haven't ignored anything because you haven't provided anything. What I've seen indicates a net DROP in sun activity over the last few decades.
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Polar caps on Mars melt ? Nope, gotta be something else.
Actually only the southern polar cap is receding, which eloquently proves the confirmation bias. If one is receding, and one is expanding it's reasonable to say the global net temperatures on Mars aren't changing. Or we can stop at "the southern cap is receding" and assume the northern one is as well because that confirms what we want to hear.
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Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world. And then you talk about denial ?
Do you have a cite for this?
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There were religious whackos ( Christian fundies ) who believed Y2K would usher in the return of Jesus. WHy? It was fortold in The Bible, that's why. Folks were told to look for 'earth pangs', meannig more hurricanes, more earthquakes, etc.... and that's exactly what they saw. They weren't paying attention to these things before, even though they were always occuring, but NOW, it was far more important because Jesus was coming back. How did they know ? The Bible said so, and the Bible can't be wrong. Word of God, ya know.
Which says nothing about global warming or it's proponents. Which was one of the points I made in the last post, thanks for parroting back to me what I said previously.
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Same thing is happening w/ global warming/ climate change.
Really not. Saying "Same thing" doesn't prove a link.
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2 yrs later, where the fuck are the hurricanes ? No where. If a warmer climate was to cause more storms, where were they ? Seems folks don't know as much about the weather as we were led to believe.
The exact same reasoning would say: “6 years later, no new Al Qaeda attacks in the US, guess that proves there's nothing too it”. It's flawed reasoning.



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Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:53 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
I don't consider myself well-educated enough to enter the global warming debate. But I would just like to point out that a view's being the majority opinion does not entail that the belief is true. (That, of course, is why evidence and argument is so important.)

That's not what I was saying, I was saying the extremists don't represent the mainstream. Like extremist Muslims or Christians say nothing about mainstream believers.



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Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:21 AM

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HI CAUSAL!

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:47 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

We might end up being so preoccupied worrying about a warming climate that we won’t prepare for the inevitable cooling that historically seems to have followed warming trends, usually with drastically negative impact on civilization.



I'm investing in parka and sled companies right now, even though there will be no growth this quarter....

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
you see ONLY what you want to see,

Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world.



http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2935184

Rap, you really is a doofus when it comes to reality.
Or is this the kind of crap reporting you like?
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=1ea8233f-14da-4a
44-b839-b71a9e5df868&k=5287


The bear population is moving in response to the shrinking environment...it's natural that a concentration in new areas would be seen as their numbers going up by the casual observer.

An example of 'seeing ONLY what you want to see' Chrisisall

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:21 AM

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God, I love watching you guys tear 'Rap's bullshit apart point by point. It warms my heart.

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:46 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
That's not what I was saying, I was saying the extremists don't represent the mainstream. Like extremist Muslims or Christians say nothing about mainstream believers.



Sorry 'bout that, then. Consider it a general purpose comment then. Let us not (any of us) commit an argumentum ad populum fallacy.

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
HI CAUSAL!

*waves*



Yo.

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:26 AM

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Agreed, Storymark, but overall it's more fun kicking Hero in the shins, at least HE has a sense of humor, warped that it is.


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Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:28 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

citizne wrote:
Because you didn't do that until AFTER I responded, and I don't own a crystal ball. I was explaining why I interpreted your initial post the way I did.



I'm pretty sure I didn't change my post from the time it was added to this thread. Not real sure where you're getting the idea that I did anything until after you posted. Seems to me you didn't bother reading my post, more likely.

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The exact same reasoning would say: “6 years later, no new Al Qaeda attacks in the US, guess that proves there's nothing too it”. It's flawed reasoning.


Now you're comparing man caused events ( terrorist attacks ) to natural phenomena, hurricanes?



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Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:23 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm pretty sure I didn't change my post from the time it was added to this thread. Not real sure where you're getting the idea that I did anything until after you posted. Seems to me you didn't bother reading my post, more likely.

Jesus wept. You made a comment about Y2K, I replied, you asked why I bothered replying, I explained why. I'm not talking about the post where you explained yourself, I'm talking about the post before that. Please stop flogging this dead horse and get on backing up what you said earlier. Unless of course getting tied up on irrelevances is your tactic to save from doing that, in which case carry on as normal.
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Now you're comparing man caused events ( terrorist attacks ) to natural phenomena, hurricanes?


Man made events like, for instance, the Year 2000 Bug? Pot. Kettle. Black. Much?

You know your ability to miss the point goes beyond miraculous and far into the range of the pathological.





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Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:37 PM

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I doubt very much that anyone PLANNED to have the y2k glitch to happen on purpose. Not so for terrorist attacks.


no pot meet kettle event. sorry

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Please stop flogging this dead horse and get on backing up what you said earlier. Unless of course getting tied up on irrelevances is your tactic to save from doing that, in which case carry on as normal.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I doubt very much that anyone PLANNED to have the y2k glitch to happen on purpose. Not so for terrorist attacks.


no pot meet kettle event. sorry

I believe, ladies and gentlemen, we have our answer.

Thank you and goodnight.



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Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:38 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
I believe, ladies and gentlemen, we have our answer.


And notice how he didn't/couldn't address the polar bear fallacy that he embraced on the basis of ONE article (from a neo-con writer with no science background, no less).
He can admit no mistake lest his little house of cards world view collapses.
Oh, and mainstream media is finally using the "R" word (recession) that Signy and many others have been seeing coming....guess we all just have better crystal balls than AU, eh Cit?


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Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:50 AM

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chrisisall, I didn't reply because citizen was having nothing of it. He's given up any rational thought/disucssion/ what ever. His mind is made up,screw the facts.

Quote:

Moreover, the notion of a declining polar bear population doesn’t square well available information.

A Canadian Press Newswire story earlier this year reported that, in three Arctic villages, polar bears “are so abundant there’s a public safety issue.” The local polar bear population reportedly increased from about 2,100 in 1997 to as many as 2,600 in 2004. Inuit hunters (search) wanted to be able to kill more bears because they are “fearsome predators.”

An aerial survey of Alaskan polar bears published in "Arctic" (December 2003) reported a greater polar bear density than previous survey estimates dating back to 1987.

If polar bears really are getting skinnier as the 1999 study suggested, it may actually be due to an increased population subsisting on the same level of available food. After all, the harvesting of Alaskan polar bears has been limited by the Marine Mammal Protection Act (search) and international agreements since 1972.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138346,00.html

Sorry chrisisall, but not everyone who debunks your views is a 'neo-con' or has no background in science. Get over your ingrained prejudices and wake up. Please.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:30 AM

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AU, thanks for the quote, but not all info on this matter concurs:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/06/AR2005
070601899.html

Quote:

Ice is melting there about three weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Stirling, who has been studying polar bears for 35 years.

"For a polar bear, not all weeks are created equal," he said. "They are losing three weeks at the best time of the year for feeding on the ice, when seal pups are abundant and bears put on fat that they store for the four months that they have to live onshore."

Having lost this critical hunting opportunity, polar bears in western Hudson Bay weigh about 15 percent less (about 150 pounds less for an adult male) than they did 30 years ago, Stirling said.

"The bears are losing their physical condition," he said. "It is a cumulative process that is causing a steady decline in survival, particularly for cubs and sub-adults. It is causing the population to decline."



So, once again, who do you believe? I tend to go with my eyes, someone once said we should use 'em...



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Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
And notice how he didn't/couldn't address the polar bear fallacy that he embraced on the basis of ONE article (from a neo-con writer with no science background, no less).
He can admit no mistake lest his little house of cards world view collapses.
Oh, and mainstream media is finally using the "R" word (recession) that Signy and many others have been seeing coming....guess we all just have better crystal balls than AU, eh Cit?

Signy and many others have never seen anything but recessions. If you scream recession long enough sooner or later you’re going to end up being right, no matter how big an idiot you are. Instead of forcing either of these issues into black and white packages that suit political views more than the facts, why can’t people realize both are more complex than that. Be careful about that Ace of Spades when it falls.



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Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Signy and many others have never seen anything but recessions. If you scream recession long enough sooner or later you’re going to end up being right, no matter how big an idiot you are.

Now now, no name calling.
The economy had a few spikes, but the quality of education has more to do with our fall from economic grace than any other single factor IMO. If we spend on war, but make education a less important matter, we doom ourselves to use force rather than brains to solve most issues. Bottom line.
Quote:

Instead of forcing either of these issues into black and white packages that suit political views more than the facts, why can’t people realize both are more complex than that. Be careful about that Ace of Spades when it falls.


Polar bears don't follow politics, Finn.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:10 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
The economy had a few spikes, but the quality of education has more to do with our fall from economic grace than any other single factor IMO. If we spend on war, but make education a less important matter, we doom ourselves to use force rather than brains to solve most issues. Bottom line.

Bullshit! The economy goes up and down for all kinds of reason, regardless of education or war. While the economy was roaring, people claimed, for purely political and ideological reasons that have nothing to do with the actual state of the economy, that the economy was in the dumps.
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Polar bears don't follow politics, Finn.

Next time I talk to a Polar Bear about global warming I’ll keep that in mind.



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Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:11 PM

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Y2K was an absurd joke. Most companies had new or fairly new computers that handled it perfectly, as the 2000 date appeared as scheduled. I guess some companies that had computers with tape reels may have had a need to "get ready". Less than a week after Bush became President, Streisand and her devoted gang of planet Earth saviors was blogging and stating that Bush & the evil Republicans were poisoning the water and the air. Somehow none of us, hopefully, have succumbed to that dire prediction of water poisoning and suffocation. Give Gore credit...he has taken the abstract art of whiny, hysterical bitching by the ultra-elite liberal left to new, never-before imagined heights. He has made it a mainstream religion for all those lonely, wandering, lost souls who desperately need to have something to latch on to in common, in brotherhood...then ya throw in a perfect tie-in to the devil Bush and his dastardly minions to really get the eager legions of drones fired up, and then to top it off give the great charlatan, the new Reginald Van Gleason Gore ...give him an Oscar & a Nobel Peace Prize. That's the crowning achievement in this fabulous puppet circus...a modern Tale of The Emperor's New Clothes. Maybe they could make another Gore movie and cast Claire Danes and Leo DiCaprio together again and have them both die in each others arms from the really, really hot weather, or perhaps get eaten alive by a passing polar bear floating by on a detached North Pole iceberg.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
chrisisall, I didn't reply because citizen was having nothing of it. He's given up any rational thought/disucssion/ what ever. His mind is made up,screw the facts.


A triumph for personal responcibility, I didn't reply because Citizen made me! I wonder if the "Citizen made me" defence would stand up in court?
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Didn't think you had the stones to answer the question.

I was right.


At least PN posts pictures with his rants.



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Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Y2K was an absurd joke. Most companies had new or fairly new computers that handled it perfectly, as the 2000 date appeared as scheduled.

Actually, most companies may have had new computers (though a lot didn't, mainframes are expensive) they were still using old software that used short date fields.



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Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Bullshit!

There goes th G rating...
Quote:

The economy goes up and down for all kinds of reason, regardless of education or war.
War is a quick short-term fix, and lack of education makes for a service economy, rather than a leading tech one. But then, educated peeps wouldn't have voted for the likes of Bush, so better to keep 'em stupid and poor, the rich will still be there, regardless, and puppet buttwipes like Bush stay the point-men.
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While the economy was roaring
WhenTF exactly was that? Roaring? The eighties? I remember a grand time for housing, but average peeps buying power was never fantastic, like it was in the fifties...
Quote:

, people claimed, for purely political and ideological reasons that have nothing to do with the actual state of the economy, that the economy was in the dumps.

Noting an increasing poor class, diminishing middle class, and a greater # of rich peeps is an issue PEOPLE need to address, not ideaologies or political agendas. The concentration of wealth in this country is undeniable- what IS deniable are the social changes that, funny enough, seem to be mirrored in the climate changes. A storm is comin', and you and I will be seeing interesting times, my friend.
If we stay the course of Bush & Co., I fear for my son's future on this planet.

Save us Ron Paul Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:02 PM

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I guess we'll have to wait 10+ yrs before you see that what's being called global warming is nothing more than the natural cycle of things, and not the catastrophe so many are making it out to be.

AlliswellAURaptor


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Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess we'll have to wait 10+ yrs before you see that what's being called global warming is nothing more than the natural cycle of things, and not the catastrophe so many are making it out to be.

AlliswellAURaptor



PART of the natural cycle of things, I could agree on that. Look, this planet goes through cycles- did carbon emissions cause the Ice Age, or the last really hot spells? I'm just holding with man adding to what's already always happening. Maybe we're speeding it up 20%...maybe it will 10% cooler on the cool down...who knows? But the climate IS changing (again), and we'd better prepare ourselves- that's all I'm about. If we're caught with our britches down, all will not be well.
Always be prepared son. Always be prepared.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 2:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Noting an increasing poor class, diminishing middle class, and a greater # of rich peeps is an issue PEOPLE need to address, not ideaologies or political agendas. The concentration of wealth in this country is undeniable- what IS deniable are the social changes that, funny enough, seem to be mirrored in the climate changes. A storm is comin', and you and I will be seeing interesting times, my friend.
If we stay the course of Bush & Co., I fear for my son's future on this planet.

More bullshit. The fact is that you, like many of your ideological comrades, are unconcerned with whether the economy is doing well or not. You define the strength of economy by whether you agree with the ideological or political structure, not the actual economy. Anti-capitalists always claim that economy is bad - sometimes they’ll be right, sometimes they’ll be wrong, but for certain, their assessment is independent of the actual state of the economy.



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Sunday, November 11, 2007 2:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
you, like many of your ideological comrades

That is so cold-war.
Quote:

You define the strength of economy by whether you agree with the ideological or political structure, not the actual economy.
Uhhh, no, dumass*. I rate the economy by how big the poor class is, the purchasing power of the individual, the wealth of the wealthy vs. the poverty in the streets, etc.
If you just want to go by how many billionaires there are, then certainly, our economy is roaring away, and no little recession will affect that.

*put in for effect only.



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