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Monday, July 30, 2007 7:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I say nothing about all American media, I don't read the newspapers, but I see a lot of the televised news. CNN seems to be herald as the tool of the left so often I find it funny that certain violent brain dead rednecks around these parts can't see the obvious rightwing slant.

But then, the people who can't see it are the same people that make threads like 'why the left is so dangerous', because of a comment by one guy that is part of a right of centre party who said nothing more than they've said themselves on occasion.

I guess that's why they're called 'white trash' .




Gee Cit... for the guy who crys the most about Ad Hominum attacks, that seemed all sorts of Ad Hominumy....

You're the biggest whiney pussy in here.

On behalf of violent brain dead redneck white trash everywhere, I say Fuck You. Go back to Monty Python land and have some man sex. I know that's much more popular over there on that side of the pond. That way, when somebody asks "Hey. Where's Cit?", I can say "Oh, he'll be back, he's just out smokin' a fag", and they won't even know that I'm using the American definition of fag. It'll be our little secret.

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Monday, July 30, 2007 7:40 PM

SOUPCATCHER


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Right spoony... because as we all know, I'm just about as big a NeoCon as you can get. I am a zombie puppet of the evil right. All praise be God W. Bush!


Well, 6ixStringJack, if you believe that there is a "liberal media conspiracy" then I would say that you're buying what Spiro Agnew started selling three decades ago. Granted, it's a lot easier to blame things on liberals. But we haven't been in power in this country in quite a long time. Four decades worth of time.

I think that Fletch2's contributions to this thread hit the nail on the head. Unlike myself, I seriously doubt Fletch2 would classify himself as an American style liberal. So check out his post to Citizen upthread and see where that takes you.

If you really want to dig around you can look at media consolidation and figure out who owns what. Then you could take a look at advertising dollars and see who pays who for what. Then you could identify liberal positions and figure out which publications are promoting them. If you want a baseline try reading an issue of The American Prospect or Mother Jones (which are more progressive) or The Nation (which would be more old school liberal). And then compare those media with what is currently offered by the mainstream media. I think you'll see a world of difference.

But that would require a bit of work on your part.

* edited to add links to the magazines I mentioned:
http://www.prospect.org/
http://www.motherjones.com/
http://www.thenation.com/

And while I'm on the topic of assignments: If you're interested in one of the partnerships that Fremdfirma mentioned (in another thread) you can dig into the history of the Wobblies. They started out as a partnership between anarchists and socialists back around the turn of last century ( http://www.iww.org/culture/chronology/ )

* edited one more time to add: A mistake that many social conservatives make is thinking that because the mainstream media is to the left of them that the mainstream media is liberal. After looking at the positions of many social conservatives I have a Mal type response, "Well who the hell isn't to the left of them?"

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Monday, July 30, 2007 11:51 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You're the biggest whiney pussy in here.

Funny coming from the 'man' who has not the balls to start a fight in real life, so like his redneck friend AURaptor has too do it on the net. You both attack me, I fight back, but both being pathetic cowards, don't like it.

My suggestion to you is stop emailing my friends bitching about your pathetic life, go out and change it.

Oh, and stop being such a pussy you dickless little fuck, you want to start a fight go do it for real for once. Stop being such a coward.



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Monday, July 30, 2007 11:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I've been in more fights than you could ever dream of dick. Get the fuck out of here. Nobody likes you.

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Monday, July 30, 2007 11:54 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I've been in more fights than you could ever dream of dick. Get the fuck out of here. Nobody likes you.

Like that time you held down and raped your mom?

If no one likes me, how come you have to go snivelling about how crap your life is too my friends? What is uup with that?

"Boo hoo, No one likes me, my life is so hard, no one lets me smoke for free, boo hoo, they made me addicted to cigarrettes then upped the price, boo hoo, woe is poor little old me!"



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Ooohhhh... rape my mom. That's an intelligent comeback from the omnicient Citizen. I would have expected more from you until I found out how old you are.

Yeah... I know what friend you're refering to too. The one who was making plans with me to go out there for a week or two that was going to show me all the sights to see in Liverpool and London until you whined to her about what a mean guy I am and how bad I make you feel inside. Because, let's face it, when somebody like me came around and made you question the fact in your tiny little mind that you know everything there is to know about everything, well... all there was left was a 25 year old wanker with a 3 inch penis who's going nowhere in life. I really have no idea how an ego that big resides in such a tiny little man. I'd pity you if you weren't such a snarky fuck to everyone all the time.

It's too bad I won't be making my way out there to the UK. I'd love to take you up on your offer. Somebody needs to split your ugly little troll face in two.

Till then, post on Cit... we all enjoy your know it all posts that I know you love reading over and over to stroke your ego, in leiu of the ability to masturbate the conventional way, since it's proven to be far more difficult than it's worth when you're as unfortunately endowed as you are.

Bye bye now... love you Cit!

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:25 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yeah... I know what friend you're refering to too. The one who was making plans with me to go out there for a week or two that was going to show me all the sights to see in Liverpool and London until you whined to her about what a mean guy I am and how bad I make you feel inside. Because, let's face it, when somebody like me came around and made you question the fact in your tiny little mind that you know everything there is to know about everything, well... all there was left was a 25 year old wanker with a 3 inch penis who's going nowhere in life. I really have no idea how an ego that big resides in such a tiny little man. I'd pity you if you weren't such a snarky fuck to everyone all the time.

Actually, I said you were a prick, which you've just elequently proven eh. You're so hard you can threaten people on the internet, wow, how incredibly hard are you? If she chose to fuck you off, it had nothing to do with me, and everything to do with how much of a brainless whiney little prick you are. You don't make me feel 'bad inside'. You make me laugh, a pathetic little man who has to threaten people over the internet to make himself feel big, and has to bitch about the cost of cigs to all and sundry. "Fifteen killed in car wreck", "yeah but they put the price of cigs up, boo hoo".

Funny how most people here don't have a problem with me, just those that never have anything intelligent to say, and spend all their time insulting people. One day you'll have to open your tiny little eyes and realise you're the problem eh.

Guess I hit a nerve, the truth hurts don't it.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm not the one whining to my friends about how I don't approve of a guy they're interested in. You're the cockblocker here, and that there is no denying. What's a matter Cit? Were you salty at me that she didn't find you attractive?

Sad, sad man....

And, as angry as you get me, I've never accused you of holding you down and raping your own mother. Wow... I don't even know if Kaneman would say something like that, but then again....

You're filthy and disgusting. You're officially off my radar as a complete waste of carbon, and a troll of the 1st degree.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:34 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm not the one whining to my friends about how I don't approve of a guy they're interested in. You're the cockblocker here, and that there is no denying. What's a matter Cit? Were you salty at me that she didn't find you attractive?

Now that's humour. she wasn't interested in you, she's seeing someone else you egotistical wanker.
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Originally posted by 6ixTrollJack:
And, as angry as you get me, I've never accused you of holding you down and raping your own mother. Wow... I don't even know if Kaneman would say something like that, but then again....

You don't make me angry, you make me laugh. You've said a whole lot worse to me, though. But it's alright when you do it eh.
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You're filthy and disgusting. You're officially off my radar as a complete waste of carbon, and a troll of the 1st degree.
If a troll thinks you're a troll and a waste of space, the opposite must be true

Or to put it another way - Bubbye, and good riddance.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol... what? did somebody hear something?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:41 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol... what? did somebody hear something?

Somebody yes, trolls, not so much.

Bubye shitTrollJerk



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't know people, what do you think? How can you ever win an argument against somebody who falsely claims you held down your mom and raped her, out of sheer spite, who still thinks they're noble and they have a right to even speak on the matter anymore?

It's a mystery to me....

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:02 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't know people, what do you think? How can you ever win an argument against somebody who falsely claims you held down your mom and raped her, out of sheer spite, who still thinks they're noble and they have a right to even speak on the matter anymore?

It's a mystery to me....

The same way you win a fight against an arsehole who starts fights left right and centre, can't accept anyone having an alternate point of view without insulting them, but still thinks it's other peoples fault.

Someone whose said far worse in their time, but when it's thrown back at them, characterises it as the worse insult ever made.

You deserve everything I've ever said to you, and you always start it, but characterise yourself as the better man so to speak, no one else will do it, save maybe your troll friends.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah... I've admitted to you that I was wrong about things in the past, haven't I?

I don't recall you ever doing that Troll. Not to me, and not to anyone else on the site, ever. Whenever somebody argues you, you accuse them of being a troll, throwing out an ad hominum attack, or using scarecrow tactics. I can quote you on that 100 times more than you'll find quotes about me bitching about paying for your children's healthcare with my cigarette taxes. THAT, I can guarantee....

You have never been wrong about anything in your life Cit. Boy how I envy you. It must be a real nice feeling.

P.S. Give my regards to H.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:27 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yeah... I've admitted to you that I was wrong about things in the past, haven't I?

No, you haven't.
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I don't recall you ever doing that Troll. Not to me, and not to anyone else on the site, ever.
That's because you're righteous indignation would collapse if you had to recognise such.
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Whenever somebody argues you, you accuse them of being a troll, throwing out an ad hominum attack, or using scarecrow tactics.
Actually no, only when people like you and AURaptor argue with me. But that's because you both rely on attacks of the poster rather than the argument (Ad Hominem), and telling people they want a new world order or some other bullshit for disagreeing with you (Strawman). Not sure what you meant by scarecrow tactics, perhaps strawman because you don't really understand what a strawman is, and wanted to use a cute synonym to sound clever.

If perhaps you are referring to a tactic of scaring the opposition into agreement, seems more your bag. "You either agree with me or the gummint gonna get ya!"
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I can quote you on that 100 times more than you'll find quotes about me bitching about paying for your children's healthcare with my cigarette taxes. THAT, I can guarantee....
Doubtful. But I wouldn't have to call you on it so often, if you could keep the Ad Hominems out of your argument. You probably wouldn't take such great offence if you knew what an Ad Hominem was.
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You have never been wrong about anything in your life Cit. Boy how I envy you. It must be a real nice feeling.
The assertion is yours.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Whatever man. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall that retaliates with snark and a know-it-all tone of superiority that brings out the worst in people.

And on several occasions in the Science forums I have come out and told you that you were right, or at least had just as much a chance of being right, particularly when it came to ideas about evolution. For you to say that I never have is to do what you just accused me of doing in the last post.

You're always right Cit.... Now go fuck yourself.

EDIT: ad ho·mi·nem /æd ˈhɒmənəm‑ˌnɛm, ɑd-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ad hom-uh-nuhm‑nem, ahd-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
Compare ad feminam.


Seems to me your attacks on rednecks and white trash would rank right up there with number two. Maybe I'm wrong though?


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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:02 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Gentlemen, gentleman....Citizen, 6ixstring..please, have you forgotton your typical common enemy on these boards....namely me?
It hurts me to see you two hurling curses and insults at each other; your'e using up all your best vitriol, what will be left for my posts? C'mon, be Browncoats gorram it!....Save some of that for the rest of us. Thank you.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:07 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Whatever man. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall that retaliates with snark and a know-it-all tone of superiority that brings out the worst in people.

And on several occasions in the Science forums I have come out and told you that you were right, or at least had just as much a chance of being right, particularly when it came to ideas about evolution. For you to say that I never have is to do what you just accused me of doing in the last post.

You're always right Cit.... Now go fuck yourself.

Whatever, your lack of reality bores me. Your characterisation of some of the few times we've agreed as some magnanimous effort on your part, is merely proof of how delusional you are. The closest you've ever come to admitting you might be wrong, is too say "I don't want to talk about it no more"; but if you want to portray your violently closed minded position, as open minded egalitarianism, have at it.

Given the extreme lack of anyone queuing up to fuck you, I suggest turning around your suggestion, because it's all you're going to get, thankfully.
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Seems to me your attacks on rednecks and white trash would rank right up there with number two. Maybe I'm wrong though?
That's right, well done. But since those comments were in responce to Ad Hominem and outright insults levelled at me anyway, so what. I'll continue to talk to AURaptor and you in the same way you talk to me, if you don't like it, start treating other people the way you want to be treated.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:29 AM

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http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=26919

I think you made some very valid points here, and perhaps I am mistaken about a few things.

Okay. I'm very willing to give the benefit of the doubt here.

Well... maybe I don't know a lot [about science] compared to you

I'm not in a who's wang is bigger competition here with you Cit, because regarding Science yours is MUCH bigger, and I lose hands down. I retract the statement.

Maybe you're right here.

I'm all about being left alone Cit. You know me. When you put it that way, I don't really have much of an arguement anymore.

Okay. I can go with that too.

Well I've had enough talks with my Grandma to KNOW that that statement is true enough.

I can't argue this.

That's about it man. Maybe we can see a bit more eye to eye here now.

Wow... That wasn't too hard to find.

That's a lot of agreeing with you there in one single post, that has never once been recriprocated my way. I know how hard it is to admit that you are, or even that you even could be wrong. You should try it sometime and then maybe everyone wouldn't know what a know-it-all dick you really are. And how utterly full of shit you are in this argument.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:48 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That's a lot of agreeing with you there in one single post, that has never once been recriprocated my way. I know how hard it is to admit that you are, or even that you even could be wrong. You should try it sometime and then maybe everyone wouldn't know what a know-it-all dick you really are. And how utterly full of shit you are in this argument.

I might be full of shit, but you are shit. It's funny you take one instance as a frequent occurrence, one you had to go back to February to find. The one occurrence you need to trawl out to prove you can admit when your wrong? I'd forgotten that conversation ever existed, evidently it is a big thing for you, having it at the forefront of you mind, eh. Can't think of any other reason why something that occured half a year ago on an expansive message board such as this, could be 'easy to find'. I bet you had the link stored up and ready for this very occurance didn't you? That's sweet that you have to put that much effort in. Seems you've played your one Ace now though, you'll have to pretend to admit your wrong again to get another example to point to .

Pretty good though, turning a time you were so massively in the wrong you were forced to admit it, in to a 'victory'. You should be a politician.

For truth I can't be bothered to trawl around the net for hours looking for the slew of data that refutes all your assertions. I have a life, and your pathetic existence has stolen to much time for it already. I have, on occasion where I have been proven wrong, admitted it. The fact that a sad little man who gets all his opinions from the Weekly World News, may not have been able to elicit that, hardly means a damn thing.

Assuming what you say isn't your usual brand of effluent, if I have never admitted you are right and I am wrong, it's not because I can't admit when I am wrong, or that I am, or think I am, always right. It's because with outstanding frequency only mirrored by a stopped clock, your are near always wrong. I have admitted when I'm wrong when circumstances have shown as such, unlike you I won't do it just to appear falsely magnanimous.

As usual declare yourself the winner and better man of this flame war, that you, as usual, started; because you, as usual, aren't man enough to accept someone having a differing opinion to you. I'm off out now to live my life, if you get one, you'll understand what I mean.

Until then, keep blaming me for ruining your chances with women, you pathetic fool. Also, please do make good on your promise to ignore me, perhaps then I can get on talking to some intelligent people who are capable of stringing a logical answer together for a change.

Bored now.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol...

Yes cit. You are the very reason why I'm doomed to be single.

You just have so much power and influence in everyone's life. Godlike qualities, that and your omnicience.

I'm heartbroken that you won't keep this up anymore. Are you sure there's no more comments you'd like to make about my mother? Perhaps when she sat on a quarter she squeezed a booger out of George Washington's nose?

P.S. "Victory is Mine! I squish your head!"

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Gentlemen, gentleman....Citizen, 6ixstring..please, have you forgotton your typical common enemy on these boards....namely me?
It hurts me to see you two hurling curses and insults at each other; your'e using up all your best vitriol, what will be left for my posts? C'mon, be Browncoats gorram it!....Save some of that for the rest of us. Thank you.



Awwwww. Jongsstraw...... didn't see you in the midst of all of that. I'll be sure to save some for you though, but I hope you don't get jealous when I say that Cit is my favorite to argue with. He's the only troll on the board. ;)

Besides. I do believe that we had quite a nice conversation the other day, though I can't remember the thread. I didn't save the link like I've been saving that science link to use on Cit since February... I know it must have probably blew you away as much as it did me. I was feeling in an especially good mood that day and I did think you were getting bashed around a bit unfairly on that thread.

I know, that you know, that I know what it's like to be on the recieving end of a bum-rushing mob...

Don't fret. I'm sure we'll have something else to argue passionately about in the very near future.

Until then, I bid you adieu....

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Jack, don't play tit-for-tat with him, he likes that crap it seems, and it's wrecked many an otherwise useful thread here, breaking up discussions with meaningless petty bullshit that has no place in a real discussion.

Cit, if you can't cope with someone being an asshole, what are you doing HERE ?

Good heavens, I slag everydamnbody, and I got no issue with that kinda thing as long as there's some actual discussion of any value whatsoever goin on, which ain't the case in these stupid little tit-for-tats (and a slap upside the head for you too SixStringJerk, for aiding and abetting!) and never has been.

Go find a neutral corner or something, Bitches.
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Now, to business.
(Kinda ranty, mind - but good stuff nonetheless)

The Wobblies actually come out of an alliance that is not often addressed in History, known amongst the faithful as the "Four Pole Alliance".
Unionists, Anarchists, Socialists AND Communists working together against the robber barons and corporate rapaciousness of the day, culminating in the May Day Riot of 1919.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day_Riots_of_1919
Eugene Debs, one of the most prominent labor rights organisers, stood up in Canton, Ohio in 1918 and dared speak out publicly against what would soon become World War One.
*hums The Hero of Canton while typing this*

Under the "Espionage Act" - that day and ages variant of the Patriot Act, he was arrested, stripped of his rights and thrown in prison.

The Four-Pole Alliance went to work, and when all peaceful protest got them was an ass-kicking, some sects upped the ante to sabotage, terrorism and violence, this eventually resulted in the destruction of the Alliance, not that much of it was left after the "Red Scare" and the Palmer Raids anyway.

During this period there was a LOT of public sympathy for them, as witnessed by Eugene Debs and Victor Berger, Debs recieved nearly a million votes for president, even while in prison, and Berger was actually elected, repeatedly, and yet denied his seat, making a tragic mockery of the whole election process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Berger

Between the jailing of Debs and many others, for the crime of excercising their first amendment rights, the refusal to seat Berger, and the use of the military forces of the state to break unions - it became clear to the Alliance that playing nice was not going to work against people who throw the rulebook out the window when they start losing.

The IWW came out of that, in a rather nasty break with Haywood and the Socialists, the IWW decided after the Lawrence Textile Strike, decided it was time to throw the rulebook out too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_textile_strike
And thus turned to violence, sabotage and terrorism as the only effective means left to them, including Galleanist-Anarchists who were very intent on blowing shit up, but historically very bad at it (usually blowing themselves and bystanders to pieces) and eventually settled on industrial sabotage as most effective.

All the while the first "Red Scare" was going on, and in hindsight was more of a corporation-friendly purge of anti-war and labor elements than anything else, and followed by the Taft-Hartley act and a SECOND "Red Scare" purge they were very nearly destroyed as an organisation but held in there through the 1960's and assisted in the Civil Rights movement, and have gradually evolved into the "Iron Fist" of the labor movement, because if it comes to it, the IWW *will* play rough, *will* play dirty, rather than lay down and get walked on when all resistance to corporate dominance is made illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World

And so, whenever Union Labor gets tired of being bent over the sawhorse, and reaches down and actually FINDS a pair, the Iron Fist of the IWW is never far away.
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Of course, those who note eerie elements of our current "Red Scare"(Terrorism) and related "Act" (Patriot) along with warrantless and illegal hasslement, spying, and arrests/imprisonment, should once again note the signature.

Every time we fail to finish the job, these bastards come back to do it again about 30 years later - GIVE THEM NO MERCY.
Do you really want your kids or grandkids to have to fight this fight all over again cause we failed once again to finish it ?

The purge is comin, bring tar and feathers.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:20 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol...

Yes cit. You are the very reason why I'm doomed to be single.

You just have so much power and influence in everyone's life. Godlike qualities, that and your omnicience.

The assertion, was, and is, all yours.
Quote:

The one who was making plans with me to go out there for a week or two that was going to show me all the sights to see in Liverpool and London until you whined to her about what a mean guy I am and how bad I make you feel inside.

Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Jack, don't play tit-for-tat with him, he likes that crap it seems, and it's wrecked many an otherwise useful thread here, breaking up discussions with meaningless petty bullshit that has no place in a real discussion.

Cit, if you can't cope with someone being an asshole, what are you doing HERE ?

Good heavens, I slag everydamnbody, and I got no issue with that kinda thing as long as there's some actual discussion of any value whatsoever goin on, which ain't the case in these stupid little tit-for-tats (and a slap upside the head for you too SixStringJerk, for aiding and abetting!) and never has been.

Go find a neutral corner or something, Bitches.

Respectfully, Fremd, he attacked me, I've been ignoring his crap for several days in other threads. If anyone wants and enjoys all this, it's Jack.

Though I understand if you want to villify me more as the orginator, as you agree more often with Jack than I.

Also, I think I can cope fine with someone being an 'asshole', it's the assholes that can't cope with their behaviour and attitudes sent back at them.

I'm done defending myself, I've had my say, flame away.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:02 AM

FREMDFIRMA


No Cit, I was flaming you for this post-postback tit for tat crap that renders a thread unusable.
That's what pisses me off the worst, the rest of it's between you two and I don't care - but on the tit for tat thing, you're by far the worst offender.
==========================================
To business, again.

Oh yes, just so that it is noted - the AFL-CIO are not "Friendlies" when it comes right down to it, let's examine the AFL for a moment...

The AFL came out of, in part, an idea of John D. Rockefeller, shortly after his entertaining evening of slaughtering miners in the company town of Ludlow, that the best way to "manage" the threat from unions was to sabotage them internally by helping build and operate their support infrastructure.

In this he found common cause with a scumbag by the name of Samuel Gompers, who more or less pioneered the practice of exploiting a union for personal and political gain rather than using the leadership role to benefit it.

And this all came to a head between 1909-1920

The high point of the AFL's new, more political strategy came during the administration of President Woodrow Wilson (1912–1920), when Gompers and the federation enacted much of their program and enjoyed their greatest influence. During World War I, Wilson appointed Gompers to the Council of National Defense, where he helped mobilize labor support for the war.

In exchange for a cushy political appointment, Gompers sold out union labor cheap, and the AFL started actually BREAKING the strikes of the then-rival IWW, under the polite fiction of patriotism - something blown to powder by Smedley Butler pointing out the sickening profit made by the industries involved.

The AFL-CIO isn't your friend, never was, never will be.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/news-j04.shtml
Just ask any local newsie around here.

And, also on topic - BOTH papers are extremely, blatantly, rightwing and have various backroom agreements with each other, but thankfully, for most people, both papers are also laughingstocks, as witnessed by their extreme efforts to push that Devoss cretin for Governor, who got so obliterated by public opinion that both papers turned on him shortly afterwords.

The AFL-CIO, and to much the same degree, the UAW, are company-sponsored Unions to "Manage" your dissent, rather than fight for your rights - never, EVER, forget that.

Especially when they come round with their hand out, for those ever-increasing dues so the union bosses can live high on the hog while snickeringly selling you out to the company in exchange for even MORE money.

Sneer all ya like, but while you sneer at folks like me, consider the fact that you'd be naught more than corporate serfs living in the company town, being paid company scrip to spend at the company store - without folks like me.

-Frem

P.S. Soup, if this continues, we really should start a new thread and just let em both rant away here, cause it's not gonna be possible to hold an actual discussion if they don't shut up and/or participate.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:17 AM

CITIZEN


Seems to me that Liberals are the scapegoat of the American Right, which is by far the dominante political wing, in both the government and media.

Kinda like I'm the scapegoat of the RWED for people who want to have slanging matches, and know if they attack me, I'll end up getting the blame for their bad behaviour.

It's also the American far right wing posters that do it. Perhaps such things are a tactic for gaining, and holding, power?



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You're the biggest whiney pussy in here.

Funny coming from the 'man' who has not the balls to start a fight in real life, so like his redneck friend AURaptor has too do it on the net. You both attack me, I fight back, but both being pathetic cowards, don't like it.





Citizen, your ignorance is about all that outshines your stupidity. You have no clue what a redneck even is, so I susggest you refrain from using that word. You look more the idiot for calling folks that when they don't meet any of the criteria for BEING a 'redneck'.
I am not a redneck. I've known quite a few, though, some I liked while others...not so much. A real redneck is one who is proud to be called as such. They see no shame in it what so ever. Were I a redneck, I too would gladly own up to it. However, such is not the case.

How the hell I got pulled into your spat w/ 6ixString is a mystery only you can answer. My comments are my own, and if 6ixString says things in like fashion, good for him. But I can't say I know or even have ever said word one to 6ixString. Not that I can recall. He might be a fine person, I have no idea. But calling us 'friends' is kinda silly, at this point. Try to distinguish one of us from t'other, if ya can. I know it might help your simple mind to lump all of us who disagree w/ you into a single group, but it sure as heck dosesn't make your case.

Point of fact, I don't 'attack' you. I show where your logic is flawed, and quite often take issue with how spin things. You can't take criticism, and then reply like a spoiled brat. You generally avoid the issue, and focus more on ad hominems as your reply. If putting you in your place and nailing you to the wall with facts makes me a 'pathetic coward', then so be it. I'd rather see you come around and see reason once in a while, but so far, you've managed to avoid any of that.



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" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:30 AM

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You got 'drawn' in because jack attacked me for something I said to you, you thick cunt . (By the way, calling you a thick cunt isn't an attack, it's pointing out the flaws in your logic ) I lump the two of you together, because although your opinions differ, the way you voice them are identically lacking in substance or intelligence.

Please stop using words you don't understand, like logic and reasonable.

You ain't ever nailed anyone to the wall, well, save for the literal sense, to keep a liberal in place before you executed them. I suppose last time you and your beer swilling buddies dragged a 'liberal' off the streets and beat them half to death you said you weren't attacking them, just showing them the faults in their logic, eh. .

Talking to you, AU, is like talking to the people who committed the holocaust.

No, it is not like talking to the people who committed the holocaust, IT IS talking to the kind of person who committed the holocaust.

Please continue to flame, at least then we know you're not murdering liberals, but I won't reply, because you ain't worth any more of my time.

Now, kindly drop dead and make the world a better place .



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Lessons in substance and intelligence from a Lefty's point of view

Quote:

*you thick cunt

*Now, kindly drop dead and make the world a
better place

*at least then we know you're not murdering liberals



It's funny when you play "grown up". But not that funny. The more ridiculous and outlandish your accusations, the more I know I've won, and that you've been shown to be nothing more than an uptight, flacid poser.

Yeah, you'll reply. We all know you will.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:30 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Hey AURaptor....please STOP taking the nutjobs here to task as you always do. Don't you know how dangerous it is to confront Liberals with history, truth, and facts? They simply cannot handle it. Believe me...I've seen it for myself...very brutal & ugly, wildly unpredictable , Tourette's-esque spasms & twitches, flailing of the arms & legs, fingers arched & pointed in threatening readiness, eyes bulging, smoke pouring out of the ears, and an un-controllable spewing of vulgarity and insults. You need to be cautious.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hey AURaptor....please STOP taking the nutjobs here to task as you always do. Don't you know how dangerous it is to confront Liberals with history, truth, and facts? They simply cannot handle it. Believe me...I've seen it for myself...very brutal & ugly, wildly unpredictable , Tourette's-esque spasms & twitches, flailing of the arms & legs, fingers arched & pointed in threatening readiness, eyes bulging, smoke pouring out of the ears, and an un-controllable spewing of vulgarity and insults. You need to be cautious.



Heh heh. I know, but it's always fun to poke 'em w/ a stick to see them get all fussy. You just KNOW this is killing Citizen. He lives for replying to pretty much any thing I post. Hell, he'll reply to me even when I DON'T post!

Fret not..I'll be wary.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:16 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"they nailed his (Michale Moore's) lying ass for the fraud he really is"

Did they ?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:18 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"I'd offer that's no more than what the rest of the channels do for the Left"

Specific examples please.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:28 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"they nailed his (Michale Moore's) lying ass for the fraud he really is"

Did they ?

***************************************************************
"Global warming - it's not just fiction, it's a career! "



Michael Moore is a lying sack of mule dung. If anything isn't up for debate, this would be it. He's been proven to have faked news headlines, taken information out of context, hell...he's even being sued for his misstating of fact in his F-911 movie. So when CNN showed Moore's flawed data collecting method..yes..they DID nail his lying ass to the wall.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA


How bout you put the damn sock puppets down for a while, eh?

Multiplying idiocy doesn't make it less idiotic, especially when no one is being fooled.

As for History, Truth, and Facts - just fucking try me, you shit shovelling manaics, I'm in a bad mood, and being an Anarchist, am the most liberal bastard here.

And I *will* kick your ass on THAT field, because your ignorant propaganda cum guzzling stupidity shows every time you open your mouth.

Or you could shut the fuck up for a minute, and go send a damned care package to some of the troops who are up to their asses in sand because of dumbass ignorant fucks like you cheering on folks we KNEW were lying us into this.

Won't make me like you any better, but it'd get me off your case a little.

http://www.anysoldier.com/
Support the poor sodders you got into this mess.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:04 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Or you could shut the fuck up for a minute, and go send a damned care package to some of the troops who are up to their asses in sand because of dumbass ignorant fucks like you cheering on folks we KNEW were lying us into this.

Won't make me like you any better, but it'd get me off your case a little.

http://www.anysoldier.com/
Support the poor sodders you got into this mess.

Do you guys have Veteran associations as well? We do, I'd say those would be a good bet to support as well, because they care for those that took it hardest after they come home.



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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My apologies to you Frem and everybody else who had to read any of that. I let him get under my skin when he started bringing up personal stuff about a mutual acquaintence and he accused me of raping my mom.

I know I'm better than that.

Sorry again, to everybody.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:35 AM

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John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


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Quote:


VIDEO: Ron Paul wins Iowa straw poll -- Fox News censors Paul's name from ballot

Defective Diebold Voting Machines Run By Masonic Morman Romney At Iowa Strawman Poll

www.infowars.net/articles/august2007/130807Paul.htm

www.chrisbrunner.com/2007/08/12/fox-news-censors-straw-polls-results/

Here are the "results" from the Iowa Straw Poll: 5th Ron Paul 1305 votes 9.1% at $35 ticket price per vote. Notice that positions four and five were completely skipped. While it's a commonly-held opinion that Fox News seems to avoid mentioning Ron Paul, I've never seen an example of such blatant censorship from them before. In case you were wondering, they weren't mentioned in the audio of the show, either. The results weren't too surprising, considering that McCain, Fred Thompson, and Giuliani all boycotted the event, and finished behind Congressman Ron Paul.



COMMUNIST CHINA OWNS FOX NEWS


Sir Rupert is married to Myspace whore Wendi Deng
www.piratenews.org/pntv-schedule.html

Communist China bought the Wall Street Journal last week, to censor the Communist Chinese takeover of USA.

Sir Rupert Murdoch, Non-Semitic "Jewish" Australian Knight of the British Empire, is married to Wendi Deng, a card-carrying Communist Party citizen of Communist China. They live in Bejing, the capital of Communist China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendi_Deng/



The Murdochs own Fox News, Direct TV, TV Guide Channel, MySpace, The Sun pornographic 'newspaper', and now WSJ and DOW Jones.



Since the Communist Manifesto bans ownership of private property, the Communist Party of China now owns Fox News. The Commie Manifesto was written by Jew Karl Marx in London England.

Quote:

"Government control of communications and transportation."
-Communist Manifesto, 6th Plank





Quote:

"On Earth-That-Was, the two ruling powers were once known as America and China. Though their empires remained separate, the two powers worked together throughout the colonization process, their cultures - as so many had - melding at many levels. Londinium, called so after the Roman name for England's capital (a country long before annexed by America in a somewhat ironic reversal), represented what was once the American Empire. Sinon ('SEE-non,' a bastardization of Sino, our word for 'Chinese') was the new China, basically. These two powers, still working in harmony, grew at once into the most populous and advanced civilizations in the new galaxy."
-Joss Whedon, Serenity: The Official Visual Companion

"Two words I never want to hear again in a sentence are Flash and Drive!"
-Nathan Fillion, Drive
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