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Shove this in your pipe and smoke it MPAA/RIAA

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Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:46 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Found this off of /. today:

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2094/125

The vid for the impatient:




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Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:54 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Found this off of /. today:

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2094/125

The vid for the impatient:




MPAA/RIAA

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Canada can't possibly be full of pirates. It doesn't exist!


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Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Love to know what this is about. I can't hear any videos at work. Love the idea of anything that would get under their skin and undermine their efforts to own all intellectual material that has ever been created, while lying straight faced and say it's "for the artists".

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Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:46 PM

SIGMANUNKI


@6ix:

There's only some music in the background, everything else is text and such. So, watch away, you won't miss anything without the sound.


@FMF:

?

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Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:00 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Shove this in your pipe and smoke it MPAA/RIAA

No kidding.

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Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Thanks for sharing. Nothing about that suprises me at all, but it's nice to see it put in a format that more people are likely to digest.

Just think it's a shame that it's another thing that somebody else can go hating on the U.S. for. It's only the corrupt elite who are pushing this here. Most of us here in the U.S. are well aware of their bullshit and corruption and lies and their tendancey to hide behind "the poor artists".

Thanks again. They're going to put themselves out of business. Two of the most hated corporations in one of the most hated countries in the world.

Even Hitler had more support when he was doing his thang....

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Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:39 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Speakin of hated, although a bit unrelated, is anyone else laffing at the media about this...

Approval rating falls to 29%
Plunges further, to 29%
Falls for the third straight week... to 29%


Gimme a break, you could fit the Astrodome in that credibility gap right now, it's just pathetic.

As for the RIAA/MPAA - A bit of personal hatred to add to the mix here, just so ya know, one of my favorite hair bands was KIX, since they were local and I used to listen to em down at Hammerjacks when they were a buncha nobodies.

Take a good long look at what happened to em, and you'll see where my hatred of those bastards started.

-Frem

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Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:10 PM

FLETCH2


from Wikipedia
Quote:



"Bitter Sweet Symphony" is a song by the rock band The Verve, and is the lead track on their third album Urban Hymns. The song is famous for the legal controversy surrounding its use of a sample. It was released 16 June 1997 as the first single from the album, charting at #2 in the UK Singles Chart, having been beaten to the #1 spot by "I'll Be Missing You" by Puff Daddy and Faith Evans. The single was released in the U.S. in early 1998. It was performed by lead singer Richard Ashcroft and Coldplay at the Live 8 concert. The song has been noted for having a famous orchestral rhythym that is apparent in many of their songs.
Rolling Stone ranked "Bitter Sweet Symphony" as the 382nd best song of all time.[1] In May 2007, NME magazine placed "Bitter Sweet Symphony" at number 18 in its list of the "50 Greatest Indie Anthems Ever."[2]


Although the song's lyrics were written by Verve vocalist Richard Ashcroft, it has been credited to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger because the song uses the Andrew Oldham Orchestra recording of The Rolling Stones' 1965 song "The Last Time" as its foundation.
Originally, The Verve had negotiated a license to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample.[3] Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" was arguably largely based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and then builds upon, though the continuous riff is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards.
“ "We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says Jones. "They rung up and said 'we want 100 per cent or take it out of the shops', you don't have much choice."[4] ”
After losing the composer credits to the song, Richard Ashcroft commented, "This is the best song [Mick] Jagger and [Keith] Richards have written in 20 years."[5]
The song was later used, against the will of the band, by Nike in a shoe commercial. As a result, it was on the Illegal Art CD from the magazine Stay Free!. The song was also used in a Vauxhall Motors commercial, prompting Ashcroft to declare onstage, "Don't buy Vauxhall cars, they're shit". However the band was able to stop further use of the song by employing the European legal concept of moral rights.
Ashcroft and the band's reaction to the loss of control and financial rewards from what was their most popular song was not positive; and it has been argued long after that the issue contributed to Ashcroft's depression. The band split not long afterwards.
On Ashcroft's return to touring, the song traditionally ended the set list. Ashcroft also reworked the single for 'VH2 Live' for the music channel VH1, stripping the song of its strings. Ashcroft is quoted as saying during the show: "Despite all the legal angles and the bullshit, strip down to the chords and the lyrics and the melody and you realize there is such a good song there."
He also dedicated the song to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards at a gig at the Sage Gateshead in Gateshead. After an audience member booed, Ashcroft exclaimed, "Don't boo, man. As long as I can play this song I'm happy to pay a few of those guys' bills."




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Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Approval rating falls to 29%
Plunges further, to 29%
Falls for the third straight week... to 29%

Gimme a break, you could fit the Astrodome in that credibility gap right now, it's just pathetic.



Hey Frem.... care to join me in the demonstrations this week to praise Big Brother for raising the chocolate rations to 20 grams a week?

2 + 2 = 5 yet people?

I'll have to give that KIX story a read.

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Friday, July 13, 2007 12:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
He also dedicated the song to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards at a gig at the Sage Gateshead in Gateshead. After an audience member booed, Ashcroft exclaimed, "Don't boo, man. As long as I can play this song I'm happy to pay a few of those guys' bills."




Great post Fletch.... this always bothered the hell out of me. My uncle told me about this about 4 years ago or so.

I really like that quote above. Look at that class man. He's been shit on for years, while the Stones and their "owners" have been making money hand over fist for 3 times as long, and he's got the class to come back and be that way about it. Got nothing but a world of respect for Ashcroft...



You've probably heard about this too, and I won't go into great detail about it again here, but you can Google it and there's tons of info....

George Harrison for "My Sweet Lord" (from wiki)

Following the song's release, musical similarities between "My Sweet Lord" and The Chiffons' hit "He's So Fine" led to a lengthy legal battle over the rights to the composition. Billboard magazine, in an article dated 6 March 1971, stated that Harrison's royalty payments from the recording had been halted worldwide. Harrison stated that he was inspired to write "My Sweet Lord" after hearing the Edwin Hawkins Singers' "Oh Happy Day".

In the U.S. federal court decision in the case, known as Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music,[1] Harrison was found to have unintentionally copied the earlier song. He was ordered to surrender the majority of royalties from "My Sweet Lord" and partial royalties from All Things Must Pass.

The Chiffons would later record "My Sweet Lord" to capitalize on the publicity generated by the lawsuit.

Shortly thereafter, Harrison (who would eventually buy the rights to "He's So Fine")[2] wrote and recorded a song about the court case named "This Song", which includes "This song, there's nothing 'Bright' about it."
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It was actually a lot worse and in depth than that, but you get the gist....


I think My Sweet Lord is a great song. Be a shame when all of the vaguely similar riffs have been played and the only people who can make new music without getting sued are talentless and over produced hip-hop "artists" that "sample" beats legally from great songs of the past because their "owners" own the copyrights to the songs they're stealing from.

Especially if they get there way and have never-ending copyrights.

Death to the RIAA/MPAA... the destroyers of innovation and creativity of humanity.









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Friday, July 13, 2007 2:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Hey Six, on the good news and cutting out the middleman front...

http://www.conlanpress.com/html/news.html
http://www.conlanpress.com/youcanhelp/index.html

Pete Beagle, author of The Last Unicorn, and the screenplay for the rather odious animated LoTR, had gotten really, really burned by the IP goons, resulting in what amounted to more or less abject poverty while others made a mint off his work.

Well, recently Lionsgate did an updated re-issue of The Last Unicorn on DVD, and in good faith to help Pete out, not only sold via amazon and what have you, but also allowed Conlan Press to sell them directly, putting more than half of the purchase price from each directly in Pete's pocket so that he could cover house payments and his mothers funerary expenses and the like.
(As usual with IP rights ripoffs, he of course gets jackdiddly zip from sales via Amazon and whatnot)

Thanks to a lot of dedicated fans, including many Browncoats here, Pete finally got his due as their expected direct sales went from the expected 400, to way past 3400 - leaving Connor and Pete about totally flabergasted, although in a good way, and grinning fans patiently waited a little longer for the goods knowing that finally, Pete had gotten SOME of what is rightfully owed him, even if we did have to end-run the system a bit to get it to him.

So here's to you, Pete, and a shoutout to Lionsgate for putting moral decency over profit in a case where so long a wrong could finally be righted.

And if you're a fan, look into TWO HEARTS, the unintended "Sequel" to The Last Unicorn, which on it's own merits bagged a Hugo, which was a pleasant shock for Peter.

And a shoutout to Connor too, who's assistance and support has been invaluable, as well as his crew.

Score one for the little guy, this time around.

-Frem
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Friday, July 13, 2007 4:55 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You've probably heard about this too, and I won't go into great detail about it again here, but you can Google it and there's tons of info....



Yes I had heard about that one.

I can't find the links for it now but the most agregous case I ever heard of went like this. A church had a habit of recording services and then distributing them on cassette to elderly and sick parishners who couldnt attend the service in person. No problem you would think right? I mean the songs themselves are in most cases out of copyright and the performers obviously consent to the distribution.

Now get this, they got into trouble from the hymn book manufacturer. Apparently the hymn book people copyright the arrangement of the work used in the books and the only licence you get when you buy the book is for live public performance, if you try to release a recording of the work they want more money.

So, the tune and lyric is public domain, the performers work for free and STILL someone found a way of making money off it. Now you would imagine that there should be no problem right? I mean if you perform the song without the hymn company's arrangement you should be in the clear?

Except that it's very hard to find sources for sheet music of none copyrighted work. Couple of years ago I was trying to put together a Firefly fan film and I looked into the idea of using Civil War era folk songs as incidental music. As you can imagine even with Sonny Bono songs from the 1860's are out of copyright. However it is very hard to find the public domain version of tunes anywhere, the versions of music you get in music stores have the arrangements copyrighted by some music publisher. Now I'm not a musician so I dont know if you could obviously spot the modifications made in the arrangement and take them out, but there is always the risk you might get sued over it.

So get this. If like Harrison or Ashcroft you create something that is your own but may be based on an earlier work then that earlier work is given presidence. But if the earlier work is public domain you can apparently make small changes to it and copyright it again. Got to be something wrong there.




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Friday, July 13, 2007 6:13 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
Except that it's very hard to find sources for sheet music of none copyrighted work. Couple of years ago I was trying to put together a Firefly fan film and I looked into the idea of using Civil War era folk songs to get rifts for music from. It is very hard to find the public domain version of tunes anywhere.

Making it impossible to do things legally if it doesn't make somebody money for sitting on their arse? You lie sir! I simply will not believe it!

This righteous indignation brought to you by Viacom, that'll be $9.95.



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Friday, July 13, 2007 4:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I can agree with Cambridge University PhD candidate Rufus Pollock that 14 years is sufficient protection for the original creators of a particular work, so long as it is the creator and not big business who is protected. This would be a sufficient amount of time for the originator to make what they diserve and also stimulate creativity and freedom of expression when after 14 years it is made public domain.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070712-research-optimal-copyrig
ht-term-is-14-years.html


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Friday, July 13, 2007 6:34 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Yah, 14 yrs sounds reasonable. What is it currently? Last I heard the US was 75 yrs for some things. Other countries?

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Friday, July 13, 2007 6:41 PM

NAFLM


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Canada can't possibly be full of pirates. It doesn't exist!



What?! But that's where I keep all of my stuff! And I don't know about being full, but according to the Arrogant Worms there is at least one pirate in Saskatchewan. (Can't quote any lyrics or I might get sued.)

A story I heard about the other day is mentioned here ( http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070708/NEWS01
/707080343/1006
, have to scroll down a fair bit to find it). A restaurant owner who was threatened when showing Monday Night Football because the opening theme is a copyrighted song, so now he turns the volume down when the song comes on.

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Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:52 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


Did those bastards at the CRIA call us a backward nation? A BACKWARD NATION?

I can say a lot about the bullshit in their claims against Canada (after all they must find other places to pirate money from besides their fellow American's) But BACKWARD NATION?

Well, now I'm glad I haven't bought a pre-recorded CD in the last 10 years. At least I know they won't be getting that extra diamond studded condom from this backwater hosebag. So.... makes me wonder, what makes the perfect civilized nation? Cause I ain't seein' it in bushland.

And yes.... we exist. We're where your water comes from. And wood, and pigs, and new oil, and........

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Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:53 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Yah, 14 yrs sounds reasonable. What is it currently? Last I heard the US was 75 yrs for some things. Other countries?

The way they keep extending it it'll be indefinate soon enough.



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Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:50 AM

SIGMANUNKI


@6ix:

You're gonna love this one:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/video/4551

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Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Man... wish I had speakers at work.

But the title "MPAA caught pirating a movie"...

PRICELESS


I'll check it out when I get home.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:58 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Aw shucks!...it's a real damn crying shame that today's kids actually have to purchase entertainment. In my day we listened to the radio for free, watched TV for free, and went to the movies for $0.75. We only occasionally bought a 45 or LP...now kids expect they have a human right to amass mega-collections of every song or movie ever made by just copying it to their little phone-camera-computer-MP3/movie player. I really don't care personally if they do or don't, but I learned a long time ago growing up that nothing is free in this world unless you want to live in a socialist world where everybody is reduced to the lowest common demoninator of low-life filth and trash, smelly, disgusting, un-washed lemmings with bad oral hygiene and greasy hair.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Lemmings was a cool game, don'tcha think RWEDers?

Discuss...

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Thanks for sharing that file Sigma... Had me laughing.

Kirby Dick better watch out though. He's going to get sued for looking and sounding too much like Ted Danson from "3 Men and a Baby".

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:02 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Lemmings was a cool game, don'tcha think RWEDers?

Discuss...




I bought an Amiga just so I could play it.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You my boy Fletch!

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:43 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Oh Noes!! *pop* *pop**pop* *pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop*
*pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop**pop*

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:28 AM

SIGMANUNKI


@Jongsstraw:

Troll troll go away, don't come back another day.



(Oops, given that's a nursery rhyme that's probably copyrighted, hopefully I won't get sued )

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:33 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Kirby Dick better watch out though. He's going to get sued for looking and sounding too much like Ted Danson from "3 Men and a Baby".




Don't recall that reference, but I think I get what you're saying. What was that about tort reform?


EDIT: Never really played Lemmings myself. But, I have been playing stuff on the Wii's Virtual Console e.g. Super Mario Bros., Paper Mario, Ninja Gaiden, Kid Icarus, etc. Fun stuff But, I'm probably dating myself

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Aw shucks!...it's a real damn crying shame that today's kids actually have to purchase entertainment. In my day we listened to the radio for free, watched TV for free, and went to the movies for $0.75. We only occasionally bought a 45 or LP...now kids expect they have a human right to amass mega-collections of every song or movie ever made by just copying it to their little phone-camera-computer-MP3/movie player. I really don't care personally if they do or don't, but I learned a long time ago growing up that nothing is free in this world unless you want to live in a socialist world where everybody is reduced to the lowest common demoninator of low-life filth and trash, smelly, disgusting, un-washed lemmings with bad oral hygiene and greasy hair.

I was happy to buy my copy of MIB II; now I'd like to copy it from VHS to DVD, and I cannot using the equipment I purchased to do it, because folks like the MPAA have 'forced' copy protection down the manufacturer's throat. Are you saying I shouldn't be able to?

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:49 AM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Lemmings was a cool game, don'tcha think RWEDers?

Discuss...

Agreed. And for those who don't know what he's talking about...
http://www.lemmingsuniverse.net/downloads.html

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:18 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by leadb:
[I was happy to buy my copy of MIB II; now I'd like to copy it from VHS to DVD, and I cannot using the equipment I purchased to do it, because folks like the MPAA have 'forced' copy protection down the manufacturer's throat. Are you saying I shouldn't be able to?



In theory you only licence the movie, you don't own it. Since the copyright owner only gave you a licence for the VHS copy he expects you to pay again for a DVD licence.

If it's a song the publisher expects you to pay for lyrics, if you work out the cords yourself you cant post them on the internet because he claims copyright on those too.

When he was 8 years old Mozart would listen to a concert then run home and write out the entire score from memory..... the dirty pirate!


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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:47 AM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
Quote:

Originally posted by leadb:
[I was happy to buy my copy of MIB II; now I'd like to copy it from VHS to DVD, and I cannot using the equipment I purchased to do it, because folks like the MPAA have 'forced' copy protection down the manufacturer's throat. Are you saying I shouldn't be able to?



In theory you only licence the movie, you don't own it. Since the copyright owner only gave you a licence for the VHS copy he expects you to pay again for a DVD licence.

If it's a song the publisher expects you to pay for lyrics, if you work out the cords yourself you cant post them on the internet because he claims copyright on those too.

When he was 8 years old Mozart would listen to a concert then run home and write out the entire score from memory..... the dirty pirate!


My understanding is that if I buy a book, I may copy it for archival purposes. I can do it longhand, photo copy, scan to disk. What I cannot do is sell or otherwise distribute the copy(ies).

It is not a violation of the copyright if you work out the cords for yourself and use them to sing the song; but publication of the song on the web, as you note, would be prohibitted, as would public performance.

I do not see any license agreement on my MIB II tape regarding such a license; I should be able to legally create an archival copy, to DVD or any other media I wish. I certainly cannot sell the original (unless I also pass along or destroy the archives) nor the copies. I can only use it for 'home viewing' (ie: -that- is designed in the film header), and that is all I wish to do with it. Can you provide a reference to the prohibition to my doing as I've indicated?

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:58 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by leadb:
Can you provide a reference to the prohibition to my doing as I've indicated?



Sure:

http://www.copybites.com/2006/04/sima_products_e.html

Macrovision v. Sima Products Corporation (S.D.N.Y. April 20, 2006)

Quote:



Sima manufactures, markets, and sells several hardware products, most under the monikers “CopyThis!” and “GoDVD,” that eliminate Macrovision's [Analog Copy Protection (“ACP”)] from an analog signal. The consumer can then make a suitable recording of the analog signal on videotape or other recording device.


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Furthermore, Sima cites no authority, and this Court is aware of none, for the proposition that “fair use” includes the making of a backup copy.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrovision


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The MPAA maintains it has every right to limit copying of movies, comparing DVDs to pay-per-view where the consumer is allowed to view the movie in question but nothing more. Many are concerned that the organization is attempting to quash fair use by disallowing consumers to make personal copies.

On the other hand the ease with which Macrovision and other copy-prevention measures can be defeated has prompted a steadily growing number of DVD releases that do not have protection of any kind, CSS or Macrovision.

United States fair use law, as interpreted in the decision over Betamax (Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios), dictates that consumers are fully within their legal rights to copy videos they own. However, the legality has changed somewhat with the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act. After April 26, 2002, no VCR may be manufactured or imported without Automatic Gain Control circuitry (which renders VCRs vulnerable to Macrovision). This is contained in title 17, section 1201(k) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. However, there are a number of mostly older VCR models on the market that are not affected by Macrovision.

On October 26, 2001, the sale, purchase, or manufacture of any device that has no commercial purpose other than disabling Macrovision copy prevention was made illegal under section 1201(a) of the same controversial act.




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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by leadb:
Can you provide a reference to the prohibition to my doing as I've indicated?



Quote:

Originally poste by Fletch:
Entire post




Yeah... it blows, doesn't it?

Please don't sue me, lead or fletch, for quoting you....





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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:15 PM

CITIZEN


Statutory Rights in Britain entitles you to make a backup, certainly of Audio CDs, I'm unsure about other media, but I believe computer software and DVD's are also covered.

Though the government has made it illegal to circumnavigate copyright protection measures, essentially making copyright protection measures illegal (as I see it) because they now prevent someone lawfully fulfilling their statutory rights.



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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:27 PM

FLETCH2


That's an interesting interpretation. To be completely accurate you can back up but you cant nescessarily switch media. Hence until recently you couldn't copy from your CD's to an Ipod in the UK.


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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:17 PM

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It is pretty much the same in Canada as well. You can protect the property you own (i.e. create a backup of whatever), but you can't distribute nor create a new product. Which changing medias can be interpreted as.

Not sure about the whole, anti-circumvention of copy-protection though. Though there is a Canadian DMCA that has been proposed that would certainly make that happen if it goes through. And yes, I've contacted my MP about that horrid impotent law.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:00 PM

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Fetch wrote (or quoted) "However, the legality has changed somewhat with the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act. After April 26, 2002, no VCR may be manufactured or imported without Automatic Gain Control circuitry (which renders VCRs vulnerable to Macrovision). This is contained in title 17, section 1201(k) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act." Yeh, I suspect DMCA might be a problem; however, this is a different issue than copyright per se. If I had unlimited money, I'd squander a bit of it setting up a test case for how the copy protection is violating my rights as permitted to me under copy right law. But I don't, so I won't. It is also the only thing from stopping me from buying a gizmoe that would let me do exactly what I had in mind.

On the bright side, I was able to use my machine to copy a home video my brother-in-law did of my wedding to DVD, so I'm no longer so worried about that tape going bad.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:11 PM

FLETCH2


Actually you don't have a right to make a backup copy of a movie at all. There is a right to make backups of audio at home and the betamax decision allows you to "timeshift" ie record something for viewing later. However, part of that rulling was based on the fact that TV shows were free to air anyway (so in effect had you been in you could have watched it.)

People assume that either the audio act covers them (since it predates video but essentially talks about backing up stuff you own) or that Betamax does (it doesnt, it says you can record TV shows that are "free to air." In fact most DVR's a have a chip that allows premium cable channels to turn off your ability to record the shows on their channels.

There isn't and has never been a rule that says you can back up your video collection.

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
That's an interesting interpretation.

Is it? Infringing on our statutory rights is illegal, and copyright protection is infringing on our statutory rights.



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Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:58 AM

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The whole DMCA thing is extortion by middlemen of the artist and the audience both.

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:00 AM

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@Fletch2:

As far as I know in Canada we do. In the US most certainly this is different.

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:31 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@Fletch2:

As far as I know in Canada we do. In the US most certainly this is different.




Was talking to leadb sorry.

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:31 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@Fletch2:

As far as I know in Canada we do. In the US most certainly this is different.




Was talking to leadb sorry.

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:27 PM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
Actually you don't have a right to make a backup copy of a movie at all. There is a right to make backups of audio at home and the betamax decision allows you to "timeshift" ie record something for viewing later. However, part of that rulling was based on the fact that TV shows were free to air anyway (so in effect had you been in you could have watched it.)

People assume that either the audio act covers them (since it predates video but essentially talks about backing up stuff you own) or that Betamax does (it doesnt, it says you can record TV shows that are "free to air." In fact most DVR's a have a chip that allows premium cable channels to turn off your ability to record the shows on their channels.

There isn't and has never been a rule that says you can back up your video collection.

Ok, I 'give'. I spent a moderate amount of time trying to find a substantive reference to refute that, but I cannot. At this point, I'll just say there's a lot of perception that it is permissible; and that many folks feel they should be able to preserve a copy of that which they have paid for (albeit perhaps mistakenly).

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:42 PM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by leadb:
Ok, I 'give'. I spent a moderate amount of time trying to find a substantive reference to refute that, but I cannot. At this point, I'll just say there's a lot of perception that it is permissible; and that many folks feel they should be able to preserve a copy of that which they have paid for (albeit perhaps mistakenly).



That's ok, I was surprised when I got here and realised how pervasive American copyright law was. I had assumed that Americans had more rights than we did in the UK not less. I've often wondered how anybody creates anything in the US without being sued (then I met people that work in creative industries in the US and found they get sued a LOT.)

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:31 PM

LEADB


"and found they get sued a LOT" Which leads back to a comment I made earlier (different thread, you'd really need to search) that the US has too many attorneys ;-)

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Friday, July 20, 2007 5:23 AM

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"I had assumed that Americans had more rights than we did in the UK not less."

No. The US has been brainwashed into being little parrot corporatistas. So while they'll kick and scream about vaccinations, they'll lay down in front of steamrollers like corporate datamining, and corporate power. "Go ahead. Use me. Rape me. Do with me what you will. It hurts so good." What a bunch of loonies.

Here's just one example of many. The only reason I'm posting this one is b/c it's from today. But there's at least one a week. And the US corporatista citizens ? BIIIGGGG yaaaawnnn.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/ysovern;_ylt=Ah8gIaamW1SO1A00i8rn0h7MWM0F

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"Jamaica, N.Y. - Protection of personal information has drawn increasing attention because of problems such as identity theft, the Hewlett-Packard pretexting scandal, and data losses by major corporations and government agencies. Congress and the states have responded by enacting numerous statutes to protect consumers. But one type of information that has received less attention is the sale of consumer lists.

While most consumers probably understand that mailing and similar lists exist, many may be surprised by the type of information available. Want a list of Jewish donors broken down by age and the presence of children? Check the Web. One broker offers lists of the members of more than 40 ethnic groups. Or maybe you would like one of the dozens of lists of users of particular medications. Lists can be broken down by income, geography, marital status, age, and gender.

The sale of such lists raises several issues. One issue is simply privacy.


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Friday, July 20, 2007 11:51 AM

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You know, I saw that too, and mentally pondered posting it, and decided not to cause I doubted anyone would care, not to mention the almost inevitable flaming from the jackboots that would result.

I've done said as much on that topic as is worth botherin with, given the amount of snark and poor reception, but yanno...

For a minute there Rue, you started to sound just like me, and that's kinda scary.

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