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Which Baby has the Most Value...?

POSTED BY: RIVER6213
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Sunday, June 3, 2007 6:47 PM

RIVER6213


Definitely without a doubt Troll Country material, but if you had to answer what answer would it be? Vote with your hearts.

Which Baby has the right to live...a White Baby or a Black baby or and Asian baby? Which Baby has more value? Which Baby do you think that God would want the most? Your answer BTW tells EVERYONE volumes about YOU as a person and your VALUES as a human being. This question is not for the chicken at heart.

-River






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Sunday, June 3, 2007 6:55 PM

REAVERMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Definitely without a doubt Troll Country material, but if you had to answer what answer would it be? Vote with your hearts.

Which Baby has the right to live...a White Baby or a Black baby or and Asian baby? Which Baby has more value?



I believe that the baby that has the most potential to benefit society deserves to live the most. How one would determine that is unknown to me, but I'm sure someone will find a way.

Quote:

Which Baby do you think that God would want the most?



I think the gods would reserve judgement until later in the babies' lives.

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"


- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

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Sunday, June 3, 2007 7:36 PM

RIVER6213


Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River


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Sunday, June 3, 2007 9:06 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070215181444.htm

How Do We Stop Genocide When We Begin To Lose Interest After The First Victim?

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Sunday, June 3, 2007 10:03 PM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River




Have you been around a baby recently? Little sibling, niece, nephew? Close friend's baby?

Because, I think it's entirely possible to be unable to assign value to a creature so innocent based on something like skin color, even if people carry an amount of prejudice around with them when it comes to persons who are older.

(Mind you, I know some people can assign value like that, but you have to allow for the possibility that some can not, and it's not just PC blather.)

Maybe you're trying to make a relevant point with your question, but in that case it's probably poorly phrased because it entirely discounts context. People don't randomly walk around assigning rights to live to babies.

Ask them who they'd save from a burning house - their neighbor's kid or a stranger's - and you'll probably start getting results about assigning subjective value.


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Monday, June 4, 2007 12:03 AM

LEADB


Find the person who is attempting to terminate the babies, kill 'im.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 3:13 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Which Baby has the right to live...a White Baby or a Black baby or and Asian baby? Which Baby has more value? Which Baby do you think that God would want the most? Your answer BTW tells EVERYONE volumes about YOU as a person and your VALUES as a human being. This question is not for the chicken at heart.


What about puppies? I think God loves puppies...

H

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Monday, June 4, 2007 3:21 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Which Baby do you think that God would want the most?



The fattest one. They burn better on the altar after the disemboweling.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 4, 2007 3:37 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
The fattest one. They burn better on the altar after the disemboweling.


Hmmm...veal tastes good, I wonder if...naw...hmmm...

Baby Parmasian

H

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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:04 AM

KHYRON


I was hoping this thread would get moved to Troll Country, but since that hasn't happened yet I thought I can maybe help it on its way:

Q: What's funnier than a dead baby?
A: A dead baby in a clown costume!

Q: How do you know when a baby is a dead baby?
A: The dog plays with it more.

Q: How do you make a dead baby float?
A: Take your foot off of it's head.

Q: What's the difference between a dead baby and a trampoline?
A: When you jump on a trampoline, you take your boots off.

Q: What's 18 inches long and makes women scream all night ?
A: Crib death.




Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:05 AM

GRIZWALD


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Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River



Stupid question deserves stupid answer.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:21 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Which Baby has the right to live...a White Baby or a Black baby or and Asian baby? Which Baby has more value? Which Baby do you think that God would want the most? Your answer BTW tells EVERYONE volumes about YOU as a person and your VALUES as a human being. This question is not for the chicken at heart.

My heart tells me that there’s only one way to know this. We must first examine the baby’s still beating heart on the alter of Baal and then the high priest must consume the heart with fava beans and a nice Chianti. Then and only then, sayeth the scriptures, shalt we know that the baby should live.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:22 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River


You’re an idiot.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:09 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I'm an attention whore, pay more attention to me!

-River


You’re an idiot.

Naw, she's probably just drunk... AND an idiot.

I wouldn't be surprised if her next post in this thread goes something like this: "I got drunk last night and I woke up on the floor!!! And this topic with with my name attached to it!!!!!??? er, sorry, but I don't remember starting this topic."

... like we've heard a dozen or so times before. River, get some rehab.



Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:39 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Troll Country yet?


Is it PC is I think everyone has a right to live?

I'd no more pick a child by skin color than an internet fan by thread topic...probably should.



please don't cut off my head again, I do not like it when you do that.

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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:41 AM

RIVER6213


Gee, thanks for that..

No, I wasn't drunk, and I did ask this question to see if you were all just as pissed off by the stupid question as I was. I was taking a drive yesterday and as I was zooming through downtown Seattle when I saw this huge billboard with black and white photos picture of a White, a Black, and a Asian baby, and underneath the White Baby it said $15,000, under the Asian Baby it said $10,000, and underneath the Black Baby it said $2,500. I stopped the car and it took me a moment to figure out that it was an ad about adoptions. has anyone SEEN this add in their town? It's disgusting!!! I guess the people who started this ad was just as disgusted as me, and now I start this thread and some of you are disgusted, but don't be disgusted by me, so do me a favor... Write a letter along with me to the adoption agencies in your town and ask them what the hell is their story?

Besides, I haven't had a drink since I woke up on the floor Saturday morning, and I'm a little crazy but I'm no idiot.

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:44 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River


You’re an idiot.



No, I'm not an idiot. Have you seen that ad? If you have how can you not be a little angered by it?

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:46 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Grizwald:
Quote:

Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River



Stupid question deserves stupid answer.




I totally agree.

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:57 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Grizwald:
Quote:

Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River



Stupid question deserves stupid answer.



I second that!

Also, you coming to the CSTS screening of Serenity in Des Moines on the 21st?

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Monday, June 4, 2007 6:19 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:

Which Baby has the right to live...a White Baby or a Black baby or and Asian baby? Which Baby has more value?





That's ridiculous. All three have equal value as human beings.
Now if the baby in question has a little towel around his head, or is reading a picture-book version of the Koran, well then, it's not really human, so you could probably apply a huge discount...at least according to our President, that is.

Cynical Chrisisall

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Monday, June 4, 2007 7:01 AM

REAVERMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:

No, I'm not an idiot. Have you seen that ad? If you have how can you not be a little angered by it?

-River



Because its a sad fact of life. People say that you can't put monetary value on a human life, but, as monetary value on anything is all in peoples' heads, you can assign material value to anything, even babies.

Now, I'm not saying that this is right, just that it is a fact of life. As for the different values on the different races, that is simple economics. There are more black babies in the adoption system than white or asian babies. This is due to a combination of causes that I'm not going to get into right now, but that's the way it works. Also, because a higher percentage of blacks than whites are impoverished, less blacks are looking to adopt. When people adopt, a lot of times, they will adopt a baby of the same race to avoid any complications that might arise from having a child of a different race. Combine this attitude with the statistics for parents looking to adopt, and you get a huge amount of unwanted minority babies, hence the lower price (suply and demand).

It's not a racism problem. Its just the screwed up way the system works.

[img] [/img]

"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"


- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

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Monday, June 4, 2007 7:42 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:

Originally posted by Grizwald:
Quote:

Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River



Stupid question deserves stupid answer.



I second that!

Also, you coming to the CSTS screening of Serenity in Des Moines on the 21st?

________________________________________________________________________

- Grand High Poobah of the Mythical Land of Iowa, and Keeper of State Secrets
- Captain, FFF.net Grammar Police



You live in Washington State? I didn't know that! Yes I will be there. We can take photos and post them here.

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 7:45 AM

CAUSAL


Actually, that was a question for Grizwald. There's a CSTS screening in Des Moines, Iowa on 21 June, and I wanted to know if she was coming. I hope there's one in your area, though!

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Monday, June 4, 2007 7:48 AM

RIVER6213


Sorry. There's supposed to be some sort of Serenity screening in West Seattle, but I forget the date it's supposed to happen this month. I was thinking of going to that. But anyway. That ad really got my blood boiling and it was stupid but I think they were trying to make a point with it.

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 7:49 AM

CAUSAL


Right, and I know that you were trying to elicit the same kind of outrage and make a point with your original post. But giving some more of the context of why you were asking the question in the first place might have prevented people from jumping down your throat.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 8:07 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Right, and I know that you were trying to elicit the same kind of outrage and make a point with your original post. But giving some more of the context of why you were asking the question in the first place might have prevented people from jumping down your throat.

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So true and thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt, and yes I wanted a little outrage reaction because that's how I felt/feel about it.

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 8:45 AM

FREDGIBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
I was hoping this thread would get moved to Troll Country, but since that hasn't happened yet I thought I can maybe help it on its way:



Ooh!! ooh!! Can I help?

What's the difference between a pile of dead babies and a Ferrari?
I don't have a Ferrari in my garage.

What's pink and red and keeps getting shorter and shorter?
A baby combing it's hair with a potato peeler.

What's the difference between a truck full of sand and a truck full of dead babies?
You can't unload sand with a pitchfork.

What's black and bubbly and taps on the window?
Baby in a microwave.

Why did the baby cross the road?
It was stapled to the chicken.

Wat's the difference between a baby and a snickers bar?
A couple hundred calories.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 9:48 AM

STARRBABY


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:

Which Baby has the right to live...



In my opinion, the answer is simple. MY BABY.

I'm sure every mother/father/caregiver in the world feels the same way. Since every baby has someone who loves them more than anything else - someone thinks they deserve to live more than any other baby.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 11:36 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
There's supposed to be some sort of Serenity screening in West Seattle.


West Seattle Rules, I could really go for a Pagliacci AGOG, that's pizza for you non seattlites, or better yet! Spiro's Pizza. By the way?...does The Capitol Theatre still show $2 movies on saturday nights? Is it still even standing? I was there in the 90's, livin large on fat dot com salaries, ah the good old days.

It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites

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Monday, June 4, 2007 11:47 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I saw this huge billboard with black and white photos picture of a White, a Black, and a Asian baby, and underneath the White Baby it said $15,000, under the Asian Baby it said $10,000, and underneath the Black Baby it said $2,500. I stopped the car and it took me a moment to figure out that it was an ad about adoptions. has anyone SEEN this add in their town? It's disgusting!!! I
-River



Wow, is that all? I know that Chinese adoptions (supposedly done because of a shortage of American babies) cost in excess of $25,000, I had assumed that supply and demand meant that US children where more expensive.

Realistically the colour of the baby is unimportant, every human child has the potential to be whatever he or she wants to be with love, support and a decent education.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 12:09 PM

KANEMAN


I think the white baby has more value.....Just my opinion. Historically they grow up to invent more, create more jobs, and don't swear as much in front of children at malls........Well, it's true in my neck of the woods....HEEHAW!!!!!!!!

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Monday, June 4, 2007 12:13 PM

REAVERMAN


Wow, Kaneman... Wow...

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"


- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

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Monday, June 4, 2007 12:22 PM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
I think the white baby has more value.....Just my opinion. Historically they grow up to invent more, create more jobs, and don't swear as much in front of children at malls........Well, it's true in my neck of the woods....HEEHAW!!!!!!!!


The market price for white babies being higher pretty much validates everything you say...well...except for the whole shopping mall thing. On another note...if you want to take over the world Kane...just start stockpiling black crack babies, they're free! When you get enough of them...just do your thing....

It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites

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Monday, June 4, 2007 1:56 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
No, I'm not an idiot. Have you seen that ad? If you have how can you not be a little angered by it?

I have no idea what ad you’re talking about, so I don’t know if I’d be angry about it or not, but based on just how you describe the ad, I’d say that it could be a reference to the typical out-of-pocket expenses for adopting children. Of course total expenses, regardless of the race of the child is going to be high – 10s of thousands. But then there’s financial aid, which helps to defray the lawyer and adoption agency fees and travel expenses. I’m not sure why, or if, adopting black children is typically defrayed with higher financial aid, but it may have something to do with the average income of black households being smaller then the average income of white households. Basically, this is probably a statistical phenomenon; if it's real at all. The actual cost of adopting a white child is probably very comparable to that of adopting a black child.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, June 4, 2007 2:35 PM

KANEMAN


"want to take over the world Kane...just start stockpiling black crack babies, they're free! When you get enough of them...just do your thing...."

Well, there are already thousands of 'em and I don't think they are helping anyone take over the world any time soon. The only people I think being helped by their existence are the Pharmaceutical company reps that sell ADD drugs. On a more serious note...We always could tie them together with barbed wire, line them up along the Mexico border....It just may stem the flood of illegal immigrants.......Their value would skyrocket.....


Love always kaneman

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Monday, June 4, 2007 3:12 PM

MAZAEN


Quote:

Definitely without a doubt Troll Country material, but if you had to answer what answer would it be? Vote with your hearts.

Which Baby has the right to live



You have asked for an honest answer. This is easy to answer as all of them get chosen except you. Your question is one of the most racist comments I have ever heard.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 3:35 PM

KANEMAN


Lighten up...

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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:15 PM

BULLETINTHEBRAINPANSQUISH


Quote:

Originally posted by mazaen:

You have asked for an honest answer. This is easy to answer as all of them get chosen except you. Your question is one of the most racist comments I have ever heard.



Did you read the entire thread? Cos if you had, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be calling River a racist. She was just trying to inspire some moral outrage because of the ADVERTISEMENT she had seen about the costs of adopting babies according to their race. She wasn't saying that she valued caucasians over asians or african-americans, she was just attempting to make people think about the situation.

Granted, she probably could have included some more of the background info to the thread at an earlier point as suggested by Casual, but she did reveal it long before your post that accuses her of being racist. Maybe if you put in the effort to read the entire thread, you wouldn't be insulting people by calling them racist when they aren't.

Mal gives control of the ship to Zoe...
Mal: If I'm not back in an hour, you come, and you rescue me.
Zoe: What? And risk my ship?


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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:24 PM

MAZAEN


By all means River please explain your comment in the first post of your thread.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:26 PM

BULLETINTHEBRAINPANSQUISH


How bout you just read the thread?

Mal gives control of the ship to Zoe...
Mal: If I'm not back in an hour, you come, and you rescue me.
Zoe: What? And risk my ship?


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Monday, June 4, 2007 4:54 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by mazaen:
Quote:

Definitely without a doubt Troll Country material, but if you had to answer what answer would it be? Vote with your hearts.

Which Baby has the right to live



You have asked for an honest answer. This is easy to answer as all of them get chosen except you. Your question is one of the most racist comments I have ever heard.



A racists? I was just about to log off because I'm late for my cross-burning, Klan meeting when I saw your post, and had to respond. I am no racists, or at least I don't think I am. I sort of loath the whole human race in general so that doesn't make me a racists, it makes me an asshole. With that said, how about you scroll up a ways and read all of what has been said?

Also, If you want to call me a bad name besides all the usual insults, why don't you call me a sexists? I hold a very low opinion of men and their abilities. *Yawn* Guys are SO predictable.

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:00 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


I think that perhaps you need to get off the computer and look in a dictionary.

rac·ism

NOUN:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

River asked a QUESTION. She did not indicate a preference in any way.

If you don't like the question get out of the thread. There is absolutely no reason to be insulting to River.


River - To answer your question - ALL Babies DESERVE to live. However, one should not CREATE a baby unless one is finacially, emotionally and physically ABLE to raise the child. This of course leads us in to Pro Choice and Pro Life which is a WHOLE NUTHER can o worms.


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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:15 PM

MAZAEN


Quote:

Definitely without a doubt Troll Country material, but if you had to answer what answer would it be? Vote with your hearts.

Which Baby has the right to live...a White Baby or a Black baby or and Asian baby? Which Baby has more value? Which Baby do you think that God would want the most? Your answer BTW tells EVERYONE volumes about YOU as a person and your VALUES as a human being. This question is not for the chicken at heart.

-River


That's a racist comment. It starts off with "definately troll country material"- which insuates that River is making the comments. I am just responsing to my interpretation of River's first post. It is an easy interpretation to make. Yes reading River's comments later on clears up that this isn't her comment.

I think that if you found the billboard so offensive than you have to expect the same reaction in other people.


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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:20 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by mazaen:
Quote:

Definitely without a doubt Troll Country material, but if you had to answer what answer would it be? Vote with your hearts.

Which Baby has the right to live...a White Baby or a Black baby or and Asian baby? Which Baby has more value? Which Baby do you think that God would want the most? Your answer BTW tells EVERYONE volumes about YOU as a person and your VALUES as a human being. This question is not for the chicken at heart.

-River


That's a racist comment. It starts off with "definately troll country material"- which insuates that River is making the comments. I am just responsing to my interpretation of River's first post. It is an easy interpretation to make.

I think that if you found the billboard so offensive than you have to expect the same reaction in other people.




The question does not make her a racist. If she had said, "I rhink the white baby has more value", or "all Asian babies should be drowned at birth necause they are useless" or "Only black babies deserve to live because they have more value" - THEN she would have made a racist statement or asked a racist question.

You have a problem with what she said. Fine, but do not use labels that are uncalled for.

I refer you again back to the defintion of racistm because I am not sure you caught the gist of it.


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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:21 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Yes it is easy to interpret the post as racist, but there really isn’t anything overtly racists in the post, so I think it’s only fair to take the author at her word that it wasn’t intended to be racist.

There is, however, nothing surreptitious about the stupidity of the question, but I don’t think it was racist.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:27 PM

MAZAEN


Well if River didn't write the billboard, then she isn't racist is she? She is a person with moral outrage. But whoever wrote the billboard is. What are we disagreeing about?

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:29 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yes it is easy to interpret the post as racist, but there really isn’t anything overtly racists in the post, so I think it’s only fair to take the author at her word that it wasn’t intended to be racist.

There is, however, nothing surreptitious about the stupidity of the question, but I don’t think it was racist.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero



That Billboard was very stupid. I mean placing monatary value next to a child of different colors to show how much they cost to adopt!? The people here in Seattle are not amused and that ad served it purpose because we are talking about it. As far as ME being racists... I don't waste my time hating one particular race when they all collectively get on my nerves. I say nuke the whole planet and let God sort 'em out.

-River

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by mazaen:
That's a racist comment. It starts off with "definately troll country material"- which insuates that River is making the comments. I am just responsing to my interpretation of River's first post. It is an easy interpretation to make. Yes reading River's comments later on clears up that this isn't her comment.

I think that if you found the billboard so offensive than you have to expect the same reaction in other people.



Okay, you still aren't paying attention to the thread as a whole. River asked the question to provoke a response, not to indicate that one race was better than another. If you would read on, she explains that she was outraged by the billboard, and wanted to see the reaction of others. She said it was "troll country material", because it is a topic that was likely to bring the trolls out to offend everybody.

Trust me, while lacking in tact, River isn't a racist. You are either not paying attention to what everyone has said, or you are being stubborn because you don't want to admit that you are wrong. If the former is true, THEN READ THE FUCKING THREAD!!! If the latter is true, then you just need to get over yourself and admit that you misinterpreted the situation.

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We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"


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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:40 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
That Billboard was very stupid. I mean placing monatary value next to a child of different colors to show how much they cost to adopt!? The people here in Seattle are not amused and that ad served it purpose because we are talking about it. As far as ME being racists... I don't waste my time hating one particular race when they all collectively get on my nerves. I say nuke the whole planet and let God sort 'em out.

I’m not calling you a racist. I’m just saying you’re stupid. I don’t know what billboard you’re talking about and neither does anyone else, I suspect. The whole discussion lacks context, because no one really has a clue what the hell you’re talking about. You’re just rambling on about some damn billboard.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:42 PM

MAZAEN


I live in Australia- so I hadn't heard of that billboard. I couldn't imagine it being allowed here.

I apologise River If I offended you.

If anyone missed River's comments here they are below.
Quote:


Gee, thanks for that..

No, I wasn't drunk, and I did ask this question to see if you were all just as pissed off by the stupid question as I was. I was taking a drive yesterday and as I was zooming through downtown Seattle when I saw this huge billboard with black and white photos picture of a White, a Black, and a Asian baby, and underneath the White Baby it said $15,000, under the Asian Baby it said $10,000, and underneath the Black Baby it said $2,500. I stopped the car and it took me a moment to figure out that it was an ad about adoptions. has anyone SEEN this add in their town? It's disgusting!!! I guess the people who started this ad was just as disgusted as me, and now I start this thread and some of you are disgusted, but don't be disgusted by me, so do me a favor... Write a letter along with me to the adoption agencies in your town and ask them what the hell is their story?

Besides, I haven't had a drink since I woke up on the floor Saturday morning, and I'm a little crazy but I'm no idiot.



-River

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