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Jerry Falwell dead at 73

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:43 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sorry folks, but..

I'm glad he's dead and I sincerely hope that he's roasting on a spit in his beloved christian hell to sappy organ music with a bunch of damn fools shovelling coal on the fire singin hallelua.

Why ?

Oh anyone can say anything they like, and a man has a right to his opinion, same as anyone else, but when they encourage, directly or indirectly - the destruction of non-believers by any means violent or no, they've crossed a line with me and become a nuisance and a threat.


You can think that I am an asshole all you want, sure - but were you to take that and then go round up a bunch of faithful to kick my ass, yeah, if you wrecked your car en-route and were decapitated sliding under an 18 wheeler, I'd be pretty damn happy about it, make no mistake.

Your right to believe ENDS right when and where your belief requires that I die for mine.

So him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it



At least you are honest and don't mince words about who you like and dislike.

-River

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:51 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Jesus taught forgiveness and not to judge others."

Yes, and his oft-repeated harsh judgement of hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction. Parisee/ Publican; adulteress/ executioners; money changers ... and so on.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:58 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.



I/m not sure I'm clear on how you feel about him Frem.

Anyway...is that going to be the special hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre?



And you can't change that by gettn' all bendy.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:58 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"Jesus taught forgiveness and not to judge others."

Yes, and his harsh judgement of the hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction.



The people on this planet are not really big into the forgivness thing as history has shown us over and over again. It takes a special personality type to forgive and I don't think that most people have it in them.

Falwell's actions in life didn't affect me one way for another, so I don't really care if he burns or is in heaven right now drinking martini's and laughing at his good fortune.

I know a "snake-oil" salesman when I see or hear one, so there was no way that I could ever have been drawn into a television evangalist's noise, but it appears that millions of other people did listen to him, and give him money and believed as he did. I figure a lot of them got something out of it, so don't totally blame Falwell.

-River

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:58 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
"We reap what we.....how's the rest of that go Finn??.

Mr Fallwell had the right to preach anti gay and anti liberal rhetoric through freedom of religion. Don't be rediculous and think that because someone died...that all the people he offended will sit in silence. I'm not gay, but if I was, I'd be happy that someone who said my very existence is wrong...has finally gone on to judgement. Remember the Munchkins and the witch. Ding Dong blu-blah-blah-blaaah. Anyway...you get my point.

No one is asking you to agree with Reverend Falwell or like what he stood for, and no one is even asking you not to hate him, but that doesn’t change that I think it’s assholish to find pleasure in the death of another human being simply because you don’t like what he stood for.

Look, I didn’t agree with everything Falwell had to say, either. I found some of it offensive and some of it just plane stupid. But then again, I can’t say much better about some of the people on this board. Should I hate the people on this board because I find what they say offensive or stupid? Should they hate me? That’s too much hate for me. I’m not stopping you from hating Falwell if that’s what you want, but don’t try to justify it and certainly don’t try to convince me of it. Life is too short and there are too many real evil people in the world to waste energy hating people purely for their beliefs or how they expressed those beliefs.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero



You either can't read, or you're too cowardly to address what we've really been saying.

You keep making this about "beliefs", and it's not. It's about his actions.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:00 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Yes, and his oft-repeated harsh judgement of hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction. Parisee/ Publican; adulteress/ executioners; money changers ... and so on.

So what? Just a minute ago you were chastising me for not following what you claimed was Jesus’ example. Now you’re trying to discredit that example?



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:01 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You either can't read, or you're too cowardly to address what we've really been saying.

You keep making this about "beliefs", and it's not. It's about his actions.

Really? And what actions are those?



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:02 AM

RIVER6213


Come on guys! why are you even arguing about this? Falwell was a snake-oil salesman nothing more. Not even worthy of fight.

-River

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Finn- Do you hate radical Muslims? Child molesters? Communists? Just wondering where you draw the line between those you hate and those you don't.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:06 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Just a minute ago you were chastising me for not following what you claimed was Jesus’ example. Now you’re trying to discredit that example?"

I'm trying to point out that 1) your beliefs are selective and 2) seem to be poorly founded.

For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:14 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn- Do you hate radical Muslims? Child molesters? Communists? Just wondering where you draw the line between those you hate and those you don't.

That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:15 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
I'm trying to point out that 1) your beliefs are selective and 2) seem to be poorly founded.

Well, I think you failed.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:16 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Come on guys! why are you even arguing about this? Falwell was a snake-oil salesman nothing more. Not even worthy of fight.

Seconded.



Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:22 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


reposted as the thread has gone on -

For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:38 AM

WHODIED


Here's, I think, a rather venomous-and accurate-take on the terrible loss of the good reverend:

http://www.slate.com/id/2166337/fr/nl/

--WhoDied


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He’s out behind the church. The last grave on the left.



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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.
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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:55 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.

I cant wait.

I might even start the rumour myself to see how many dimwits pick up on it.
I could write a book to see how many dimwits buy it and make a shit load of money.
Hmmmm....

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:00 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
reposted as the thread has gone on -

For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.


So you did not have a problem with the messenger, just the message. You think the message will change now that he's gone?

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:01 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


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Originally posted by SignyM:
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.


Slick.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:03 AM

FREDGIBLET

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:12 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.

Yeah you've lost me. I don’t think you’re pointing that out very well. Certainly not in any way that makes sense to me. And I'm not even sure what generalizations have to do with what we're talking about.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:22 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.

Why would the Mossad want to assassinate Jerry Falwell?

You'd really need some pretty dumb people to believe that. And while there are probably people that dumb in isolated pockets, I don't know that the communications between them is consistent enough to spread that conspiracy theory too far.

On the other hand, I'm generally wrong about how dumb people can be. Maybe I have too much confidence in people.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:28 AM

CHRISISALL


Please, before any more anger is expressed, I plead with y'all to look at this:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/05/16/falwell_tinky/index.ht
ml?source=rss


It sums up how many might feel deep down...
(Courtesy Moby Vic, Serenitymovie.org)

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:48 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.
---------------------------------
Always look upstream.



I think Finnwill just take whichever stance allows him to act self-righteous, and attack certain posters.

But it doesn't really matter. I don't care if I have Finn's approval.

A bad man is dead and I'm totally cool with that.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:57 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.

Why would the Mossad want to assassinate Jerry Falwell?

You'd really need some pretty dumb people to believe that. And while there are probably people that dumb in isolated pockets, I don't know that the communications between them is consistent enough to spread that conspiracy theory too far.

On the other hand, I'm generally wrong about how dumb people can be. Maybe I have too much confidence in people.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero




There is many a dumb person out there willing to believe just about anything if you put the words "Jew", "Isreal" and "Conspiracy" in the same paragraph.
Watch this space (or indeed "myspace" ), I'm sure keyboards are a-clicking even now.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:00 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Don't know if it's real or not but...
http://go.fark.com/cgi/fark/go.pl?i=2807481&l=http://tinyurl.com/2lwod
x




Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:43 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?

Impossible to refute.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:43 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


This never happened!

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 PM

KHYRON


Finn double posts... my world view is shattered!

I'll be in the pub.



Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:12 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Check back in a couple decades. It'll take that long before the winners write the history. The short answer, to bastardize a popular tune, is that Falwell was dominionist before dominionist was cool.

If the dominionists win, and the United States has moved closer and closer towards no separation between church and state, then Falwell will be seen as a trailbreaker. A maverick. The man who led us out of the wilderness. And if the Southern Baptist Convention manages to establish itself as the offical denomination of the United States, then Falwell's statue, and not monuments to the 10 Commandments, could become de rigeur at courthouses across the land. Or at least he will be seen as the patron saint of the American version of the auto-de-fe.

If the dominionists fail then Falwell will be seen as a charlatan, a two-bit huckster who shilled millions out of their hard earned cash on empty promises.

In terms of eulogies, I think Sara Robinson at Orcinus has penned the best one:
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excerpted from http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/05/that-old-time-religion.html
...
But the glory faded through the 80s, as Falwell turned from churchbuilding and kingmaking to petty libel battles (most notably the one with Larry Flynt); as the press and the courts began to take notice of the ways in which he blurred the lines of church and state separation; and as politicians turned out to be very happy to take the Moral Majority's money, but less enthusiastic about enshrining its morality as federal law. His attempted turnaround of Jim Bakker's Heritage USA enterprises ended in bankruptcy court; and in 1989, the Moral Majority was absorbed into his friend Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.

Falwell himself was never much of a political or cultural force after that. But it's arguable that if there's one person without whom the religious right would never have risen -- and the GOP's hegemony would never have been possible -- Jerry Falwell was that guy. By organizing traditionally apolitical Evangelicals into the country's dominant political force, he provided the GOP with the essential base of support that's undergirded everything they've done in (and to) America over the past 27 years.
...


As Mrs. Robinson points out, there were plenty of tele-evangelists who were more successful. And plenty of Christian political College founders who were more successful (we only have to look at the Regent University alumnists hired by the Justice Department to see how affirmative action can benefit third tier college graduates - Monica Goodling, we bow to thee, and swear fealty).

Falwell peaked in the eighties. But he served a useful purpose in the anti-Enlightenment crusade of redefining what was acceptable for ultra-conservatives re: politics.

His biggest sin, in terms of tactical mistakes, was trying to start the endgame too early. He failed to recognize the potential in September 11, 2001. In his statements that the US deserved the 9/11 attacks because of our acceptance of homosexuality and abortion he tipped his hand that the overall goal was a purge. The actual approach that was used by the Republican Party - move towards one-party rule and brand anyone who disagreed as a traitor - was much more effective because it built off the "rallying around the flag" impulse. In short, Falwell was so fixated that he was unable to modify his positions and take advantage of the opportunity.

He was, to paraphrase TRex at FDL, a rock throwing villager who gained a national platform. In earlier times, he would've been the one leading a mob of torch bearing pitchfork wielders intent on burning one person at a stake. Scary if you're that person, but not a threat if you live far way from that village. In our times he became the leader of a multi-million dollar empire with a national platform and the ear of Presidents and a threat to everyone he deemed a sinner.

Like the hydra, there are nine more chomping to take up the bit.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:48 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?

Impossible to refute.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero




So IRREFUTABLE then?

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:02 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
Finn double posts... my world view is shattered!

I'll be in the pub.

It never happened, I tell you. I’ll deny it.
Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
So IRREFUTABLE then?

Yes. Irrefutable. “Irrefragable” means exactly the same thing as irrefutable, except that it tends to be used by pompous types who think they’ve got it all figured out. At least that’s my experience.

And my experience is irrefragably true.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:15 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Hi Soup,

Thanks for the post.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:41 AM

MARINA


Here's a video of Hitchens discussing Falwell's hate-spewing and the effect his bigotry had on a global level. Maybe this will give you some idea of why so many people are glad he won't be spreading lies and hatred anymore.



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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:46 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by marina:
Maybe this will give you some idea of why so many people are glad he won't be spreading lies and hatred anymore.

Why? Actually all it does is tell me this is what Hitchen’s thinks, not “so many people.”



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:09 AM

MARINA


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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:45 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by marina:
This will be my last response to you,

Promise?




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:00 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by marina:
you've been going crazy at the number of people on this board who are expressing anything less than regret or sorrow and kept asking them to explain WHY they felt that they had reasons to dislike him beyond his faith.


A very legitimate question don't you think? Some Posters even gave reasons for their hate after much prompting. Was it the individual or his message? Was it the financial and political power which he wielded? Was it his personal life? His religious beliefes? Was it jealousy? How about free speech issues or the fact that Larry Flynt himself stated Falwell was a man of integrity. So many better topics to discuss than "I'm glad he's dead".
Would you want members of Falwell's family stumbling across the crass comments found in this thread?
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he wasn't just a religious fundamentalist, he was a DANGEROUS religious fundamentalist who had tangible effects on peoples' lives.

Try to look at both sides of the coin. He had tangible effects on people's lives, both Bad and Good. But I do realize that hate is the easier road to take so enjoy the trip.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:13 AM

FREDGIBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
But I do realize that hate is the easier road to take so enjoy the trip.



Anyone else find this just a touch ironic, since it's the path that Falwell himself took?

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:20 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Do as I say, not as I do?

eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:17 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Well, my reasons for hating him are irrefragable.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:53 PM

FREDGIBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?



No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:03 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?



No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.




This thread is about Falwell....not marina...Idiot....stay off BDN's ass

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:05 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by fredgiblet:
No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

If I hate the hater, am I any better? Yes, but not enough.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:22 PM

FREDGIBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:

Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?



No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.




This thread is about Falwell....not marina...Idiot....stay off BDN's ass



Did you notice that both the post you responded to as well as the previous post by me mentioned Falwell? No? And I'm the idiot?

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:56 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by fredgiblet:
No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.


Which is precisely my point. Posters have inferred that they hate Falwell because he was full of hate. Perhaps more self-introspection is needed at times of passing.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:16 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


You can be glad to be free of something without hating.

Almost no one here used the word hate.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:47 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Almost no one here used the word hate.


Do the math.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:59 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


This is what you said: "Some Posters even gave reasons for their hate ... " And yet, only one poster said they hated Falwell. Just one. The math is very simple.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:04 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


No one hates Jerry Falwell. They’re just glad he’s dead so that they can be free of the burden of the possibility that he might occasionally make brief appearances in the news and say something they don’t agree with or find offensive.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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